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01:16 froglegstew hey ! can anyone point me to a spec of the protocol that minetest uses ?
01:17 froglegstew the only one i can find seems to be really outdated :(
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02:42 cimbakahn Hello Everyone!
02:43 cimbakahn I thought an Ubuntu 16.04 would have minetest version 4.14 in synaptic?
02:51 Benrob0329[m] Ubuntu always has a very outdated version of minetest in the official repos
02:51 Benrob0329[m] https://launchpad.net/~minete​stdevs/+archive/ubuntu/stable
02:51 Benrob0329[m] cimbakahn:
03:00 cimbakahn Benrob0329[m], Yes!
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05:35 cimbakahn Hello Everyone!
05:36 cimbakahn I went here ----> https://launchpad.net/~minete​stdevs/+archive/ubuntu/stable  Got the PPA and installed it, BUT i dont see a DATA folder??????
05:38 cimbakahn Only folders i see so far is 1 under home/user    and 1 in home/user/cache   ......
05:38 cimbakahn The DATA folder is not in either one of those folders.
05:41 cimbakahn Should i install the minetest-data from synaptic?  It is 0.4.13
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07:35 cheapie Well, I managed to make a script that reads a video file and writes it to a hard drive in a special format, which is then read by a LuaC program (via digilines attached SCSI) and displayed on an rgblightstone screen.
07:36 cheapie As cool as it is to watch a video on a giant screen inside MT, the 20x20 resolution, 256 colors, and frame rate of about 1 FPS sort of limits it a bit...
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07:47 Benrob0329[m] that's still awesome though!
07:47 Benrob0329[m] Are you gonna post the world?
07:48 cheapie It requires my "digilines attached SCSI" mod, which I haven't published anywhere since it's a massive security hole and requires some extensive configuration of the OS.
07:49 cheapie I'll record a video of it in action, though.
07:49 OldCoder cheapie, that is still impressive
07:51 cheapie Video is encoding now, and then I'll upload it.
07:52 cheapie I suppose it wouldn't be too hard to modify it to use some other kind of storage, but the storage I'm currently using for it is an old 41MB SCSI hard drive :P
07:52 ssieb oh, it is actually attached SCSI??  :-)
07:52 cheapie ssieb: Yes, that's what the digilines attached SCSI mod does.
07:53 * ssieb thought that was just a fun name and it read from a file on the hard drive...
07:53 cheapie The LuaC is "speaking SCSI" to the hard drive through the "DAS gateway". While I realize that it might not be the most practical way to do it, I already had that mod made.
07:54 ssieb ok, that's just a little crazy :-P
07:54 cheapie "digiline_send("scsi",{cdb=string.char​(0x28,0x00,lba[4],lba[3],lba[2],lba[1]​,0x00,0x00,0x01,0x00),request=512})"
07:57 cheapie OK, the video of it in action is up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG48Y_GbMXk
07:59 ssieb I just got an internal compiler error trying to compile minetest :-(
07:59 ssieb "The bug is not reproducible, so it is likely a hardware or OS problem."
07:59 cheapie Last time I got one of those it turned out I was OCing too much.
07:59 Benrob0329[m] strange
08:00 Benrob0329[m] cheapie: thats awesome!
08:00 cheapie I'm waiting to see if anyone recognizes the video :P
08:01 Benrob0329[m] i do not, but i have my suspicions
08:01 sofar of course
08:01 sofar it's been done
08:01 sofar Not the best quality
08:01 sofar Ergh, it's choppy
08:01 sofar Very bad aspect ratio?
08:01 cheapie It's scaled to fit.
08:01 sofar Eek, my eyes
08:01 sofar Really, you can do better
08:01 cheapie (so, yeah, bad aspect ratio)
08:02 sofar (shoudl I continue? read the first letter of each sentence)
08:02 cheapie I see you got it :P
08:02 * sofar contemplates a good button and good switch 3d model
08:03 ssieb Benrob0329[m]: I suspect too
08:03 cheapie I wonder how big of a screen I could go to before I'd start having issues with it not all updating at the same time.
08:04 sofar is it vmanip based?
08:04 ssieb cheapie: I pulled up the "other video" and compared them.  Pretty close match :-)
08:05 cheapie sofar: It's not. It sends digilines signals to the rgblightstone, and each one individually changes its param2 to the desired color.
08:05 cheapie The signals are sent as one big table, and the nodes themselves "pick out" the color meant for them based on their address.
08:05 sofar lol so each node has to parse the entire data blob?
08:06 cheapie Yes, but it pretty much just boils down to "color = msg[y][x]"
08:07 sofar convert your coords into an offset first and cache that
08:07 Benrob0329[m] still dont know what it is
08:07 sofar saves you half the table iteration
08:07 cheapie It's nested tables, not just one table.
08:07 ssieb Benrob0329[m]: I sent you a PM :-)
08:08 sofar cheapie: room for improvement then
08:08 sofar one long bytestring will be easier to parse
08:08 cheapie rgblightstone is designed to be easy to program for. It's not meant for playing videos.
08:09 cheapie Most of the devices using it are using anywhere from 1 to about 15, and they usually don't have to update too often.
08:09 Benrob0329[m] ah, now i see it
08:09 Benrob0329[m] i though you might have...
08:09 cheapie Parsing the input doesn't seem to be the issue, though, but rather MT sending the changed mapblocks to the client.
08:11 ssieb coloredwood claims to have an optional dependency on moreblocks, but it crashes if it's not installed...
08:12 cheapie I sort of wonder what would happen if I stuffed the "decoded" video into a formspec instead, and had the player view that...
08:12 cheapie VanessaE: ^
08:12 cheapie There, bug reported :P
08:12 ssieb haha
08:13 cheapie She has been doing a lot of work on those mods lately (param2 colors), so that's likely where the issue came from.
08:14 ssieb no, it throws an exception if the circular saw isn't available
08:16 Benrob0329[m] (offtopic) https://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/toolkits.html
08:18 cheapie Meh, I only use xscreensaver to disable the default power management.
08:18 Benrob0329[m] it works quite nicely with xfce
08:20 cheapie Heh, I like the mention of the keyboard grabbing there.
08:21 cheapie I've had gksu fail to grab my keyboard before, resulting in me ending up typing my root password into HexChat instead.
08:21 cheapie Needless to say, the password was changed, and I don't use gksu any more...
08:22 Benrob0329[m] fair enough
08:23 Benrob0329[m] what do you use now?
08:24 cheapie Plain old sudo in a terminal, usually.
08:25 cheapie About the only GUI program that needed root access was gnome-disks, and I've replaced that with a Lua script anyway.
08:26 Benrob0329[m] seems reasonable
08:27 Benrob0329[m] With xfce I can just !sudo gparted to open a terminal
08:27 Benrob0329[m] Which is handy
08:29 Benrob0329[m] I wouldn't mind having a sudo dialog that just opens a terminal temporarily
08:31 Benrob0329[m] I just want an opportunity to use one of Linux's magic kill commands to show someone that they're laptop isn't so secure of a setup XD
08:31 Benrob0329[m] *their
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08:42 Benrob0329[m] https://gold.electricsheep.org/
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08:58 Kurolox Hello!
08:58 Kurolox Is there any mod for limiting in which zones can you PvP? There was pvp_areas, but it seems like the github page was removed.
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09:14 Kurolox Also, there's a reason for my server appearing like this in the server list when it's online? http://i.imgur.com/1CaoQlZ.png
09:15 agaran Kurolox: it is your favourite list.. not visible on public one..
09:15 agaran and ?/? because it is not registered in listing
09:16 Kurolox So it does need to be public in order to show server name, description and player list?
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09:55 fwhcat Hi
09:56 Krock hello
09:56 fwhcat I just uploaded a video of a collision/nodeboxes bug I don't know if it's already reported.
09:56 fwhcat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmUfwlcBbyo
09:58 Krock ah, yet another nodebox collision issue
09:58 Krock there was also one about glitching through two shelves with the pattern
09:58 Krock X
09:58 Krock X
10:08 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Plantlike: Fix visual_scale being applied squared (#5115) 953cbb3 https://git.io/vDJob (2017-01-28T10:07:35Z)
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10:33 MinetestBot [git] sfan5 -> Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: FPGAs (#315) 07d0740 https://git.io/vDJKd (2017-01-28T10:33:13Z)
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10:49 agaran sfan5: when we will mesecon-xilinx?;)
10:49 sfan5 :D
10:49 agaran or virtex5(tm) ;)
10:50 agaran and do I need to find my quartus freebie?
10:50 agaran but that would be fun.. compile bytestream into .mt recipe.
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10:51 agaran though probably easier to get GAL level stuff..:)
10:51 agaran lua might not like 10k LUTs
10:51 agaran but.. definitively I need to git pull mesecons now.. bad Sfan:)
10:52 VanessaE fixed ssieb's bug re: coloredwood needing moreblocks.
10:54 Krock Let's code them in VHDL ^^
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10:55 agaran Krock: sure or in verilog;)
10:55 sfan5 agaran: don't get your hopes up, there's only 14 gates possible per fpga
10:55 MinetestBot [git] sfan5 -> Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: fpga: Make formspec usage less prone to breakage 2bc3c5d https://git.io/vDJ6i (2017-01-28T10:54:27Z)
10:56 agaran sfan5: heh, so quite like PAL, 16L8 or like
10:56 agaran registerless ones
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11:27 sfan5 hm if fpgas had 2 more registers i could implement a my adder with only 2 fpgas per bit
11:28 sfan5 actually 3 more
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11:32 Krock and with the adder, a subtractor wouldn't be far away
11:33 Krock would only require to invert the number to subtract + 1
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11:35 colook hi, can I load third party lua libraries for a mod?
11:36 sfan5 yes
11:37 Krock you can also embed compiled C(++) libraries
11:41 colook any idea what kind of mods I can made that requires some programming?
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11:42 kaeza what
11:42 sfan5 yay my adder works
11:42 colook is there like a wish list?
11:43 * kaeza meows at sfan5
11:43 * sfan5 curls up to kaeza's lap
11:43 colook mods people wants, but are still not there
11:43 colook I want to make a mod but I'm not sure what to do
11:44 IhrFussel Whats the best way to implement a custom hp system? I need more than 20 hp... Do i save all HP values in a table modify the table value in on_player_hp_change() and update hud?
11:44 kaeza colook, start here: https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=47&t=2434
11:44 kaeza 62 pages of requests
11:44 kaeza that will be lots of fun :P
11:45 colook lol, wow thanks kaeza
11:45 VanessaE is there a simple way to create a '
11:45 VanessaE oops.
11:45 VanessaE is there a simple way to create a `pointed_thing` when the one I'm given is nil?
11:45 kaeza isn't there a key on your keyboard for that?
11:45 kaeza oh
11:46 VanessaE (I already have the position of the thing being pointed at in this case, but not an actual pointed_thing table)
11:46 kaeza VanessaE, a pointed thing is a regular table
11:46 VanessaE I know.
11:46 kaeza depends on what you want to simulate
11:47 VanessaE well,
11:47 VanessaE I'm fixing a crash in unifiedbricks when you try to place a signs_lib sign on it.  somehow, on_rightclick for the bricks is being called in that case, but with pointed_thing = nil
11:48 VanessaE (I have not checked if signs_lib is somehow passing it that way or if the engine/game is)
11:50 kaeza wait... why does on_rightclick need a pointed_thing?
11:50 sfan5 {type="node", above=vector.add(pos, {x=0, y=1, z=0}), under=pos}
11:51 kaeza it's obvious we are pointing at the thing, right?
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11:51 VanessaE sfan5: that's not correct.  above is the space between the player and the target, not always directly above it.
11:52 VanessaE kaeza: damned if I know.  I still don't understand why there isn't a clear separation in the API between right-clicking a placed item/node and what you're right-clicking it with
11:52 kaeza oh, I guess because of that ^
11:52 kaeza (above not being above)
11:53 agaran VanessaE: I think it depends on distance.. (perhaps server perspective distance not what client shows) ?
11:53 sfan5 oh huh
11:53 sfan5 "above" is named misleading then
11:53 sfan5 however it probably doesn't matter for most mods
11:53 VanessaE sfan5: indeed so
11:54 kaeza VanessaE, looks like signs_lib problem: https://github.com/minetest-mods/s​igns_lib/blob/master/init.lua#L575
11:55 kaeza no pointed_thing passed, so nil
11:55 VanessaE well, shit
11:55 kaeza here as well: https://github.com/minetest-mods/s​igns_lib/blob/master/init.lua#L946
11:56 kaeza just adding `, pointed_thing` there should fix the error
11:56 VanessaE riiiiight
11:56 VanessaE can't believe I didn't see that
11:57 kaeza yeah. who codes that shit?
11:57 kaeza <_<
11:58 VanessaE actually I probably did :P
11:58 sfan5 *runs git blame*
11:58 VanessaE ok that fixed the crash, though the facedir of the placed node is wrong.
11:59 kaeza "First commit" by kaeza --> history probably in homedecor repo :P
11:59 VanessaE (the facedir is probably in my own code)
12:20 VanessaE there we go, that's fixed
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13:26 Out`Of`Control \0/
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15:03 MinetestBot [git] sapier at gmx dot net -> minetest/minetest: Make entity on_punch have same signature and behaviour as player on_p… 814ee97 https://git.io/vDJHZ (2017-01-28T14:57:54Z)
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15:41 MinetestBot [git] SmallJoker -> minetest/minetest: from_table: Fix crash for missing inventory or field 79d752b https://git.io/vDJQj (2017-01-28T15:38:46Z)
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15:46 ElMehdiBen Hi
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16:30 apozra hi, the unmodded game has no animals?
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16:34 Calinou apozra: it doesn't indeed
16:35 apozra if I want to make an animal how do I do?
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16:57 YuGiOhJCJ hello is it possible to register on liquid block flow? I would like to stop liquid flow on some conditions in a mod
17:05 sphalerite How deep does the rock go in the default game?
17:06 sphalerite I have the impression that it goes a lot deeper than minecraft, but how deep?
17:07 agaran I think you have rock till max depth.. something like -30k..
17:08 YuGiOhJCJ hmm the value of the "liquid_range" (max value: 8) field could be what I need to change... so maybe I can register on liquid node place instead of on liquid block flow
17:19 sphalerite oh wow ok
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17:32 agaran hi LazyJ
17:32 LazyJ Howdy agaran ;)
17:33 agaran good, you?
17:36 LazyJ Older, meaner, crankier - about the same. :p
17:37 YuGiOhJCJ hmm in singleplayer mode all my mod privs are enabled by default and I am unable to revoke them... how to disable some privs please?
17:37 LazyJ /revoke singleplayer <insert priv here>
17:38 LazyJ No < >
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17:38 LazyJ And in singleplayer, your player name is "singleplayer". (if you didn't already know)
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17:40 LazyJ Though I think there may be a couple privs that you can't revoke from yourself in singleplayer, not sure, haven't tried in a long time.
17:40 ||Jericho|| Good Morning ladies and gents
17:40 YuGiOhJCJ yes some are irrevocable
17:40 YuGiOhJCJ http://wiki.minetest.net/Priv​ileges#Irrevokable_privileges
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17:42 IhrFussel paramat not there =/
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17:42 YuGiOhJCJ and I guess I need to edit temporary my mod when I register my privileges by using the 3rd parameter to set it to false: http://dev.minetest.net/mi​netest.register_privilege
17:44 YuGiOhJCJ it seems that if I don't do that, my mod privs are also irrevokable in singleplayer mode
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17:57 LazyJ YuGiOhJCJ, two ideas:  1. just don't use the abilities the privs allow, 2. Run your testing world as a local server and log into it with another MT client - test as a normal player.
18:00 YuGiOhJCJ yes these are two ideas that could work. currently I am using a third idea: 3. edit my mod to add "give_to_singleplayer= false", in singleplayer mode it seems to work well
18:03 YuGiOhJCJ I remark that setting to "true" this value is not a good idea because this privilege becomes irrevokable in singleplayer mode
18:05 YuGiOhJCJ I definitely prefer to set it to "false", so I can use "/grant" and "/revoke" in singleplayer mode to change my privileges in-game
18:07 LazyJ Testing as a normal player, on your localhost server, not only allows you to test the mod's technical aspects but also how the mod fits into the overall gameplay experience from a normal player's perspective.
18:14 YuGiOhJCJ you've right
18:14 red-001 !seen paramat
18:14 MinetestBot red-001: paramat was last seen at 2017-01-27 22:29:29 UTC on #minetest
18:23 YuGiOhJCJ doh! when I place a dirt block, minetest.register_on_placenode is called, but when I place a water source block, it is not called! why please?
18:24 LazyJ Dunno, but to add to that problem, nodes that auto-rotate when placed, like those made in MoreBlock's circular saw, are not reported as placed in the logs/terminal output
18:25 LazyJ That is an old bug that I wish could be fixed.
18:25 LazyJ
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18:31 YuGiOhJCJ do you see an other event on which I can register? I would like to stop water liquid flow on some conditions
18:33 LazyJ Sorry, no. My coding skills aren't up to par.
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20:27 GAMER help
20:29 GAMER i need help
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20:55 ssieb GAMER: with what?
20:55 GAMER how do i get minetest on my computer
20:56 ssieb which OS?
20:58 * ssieb is away now, hopefully someone else can help you
20:58 ssieb most likely just go to the website and download the installer
21:08 Jordach ssieb, assume webchar scrubs are either Android or Windows users
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22:01 Krock GAMER, are you still alive? Any success?
22:01 GAMER no
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22:11 rubenwardy Jordach: kiwiirc though, not webchat.freenode.net
22:11 rubenwardy suggests slightly more knowledge
22:11 rubenwardy also, there was always /ctcp GAMER VERSION
22:14 Krock PMed that dude .. hopeless
22:15 rubenwardy yeah    * GAMER has quit
22:15 Krock (before he left)
22:15 TommyTreasure does anyone know who Fire_Flame-Boy38 is?
22:19 garywhite GAMER was bugging me first, I referred him over to here
22:23 LazyJ Perhaps official Minetest YouTube videos going through each installation step for each supported OS. Then post the links to those official videos on the MT website and forums. "how do i get minetest on my computer"  -> "Go to minetest.net and watch the install videos."
22:24 garywhite I second that, Minetest How-To videos (official videos) would be a good idea
22:25 red-001 good idea
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22:31 Fixer Krock: what was that?
22:33 Krock Fixer, a failed set of instructions to an user who apparently couldn't install minetest
22:33 Fixer Krock: failed?
22:33 Krock 2 tired 4 more talk, sorry
22:33 Fixer Krock: wth
22:34 Fixer Krock: extract zip into folder, ????????????, /bin/minetest.exe
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22:36 LazyJ Was GAMER an app user?
22:37 LazyJ Installing Android apps from Google Play is literally a one-click thing. One-click to download and install and have a ready-to-go application.
22:38 LazyJ Kids that are brought up with smartphones and tablets as their first computers will probably expect this to be the way software is installed on PC's and Macs.
22:38 LazyJ That's my guess, anyway.
22:38 LazyJ
22:39 garywhite I was brought up on Windows Me & XP, I didn't even use Android until probably 2011 or so
22:52 lordfingle Hi!  Does anyone here use minetest on Android?
22:53 Benrob0329[m] WinXP was my first experience with computers (that I can remember at least)
22:53 Calinou LazyJ: if we were on Windows Store and Mac App Store, it could be like that on the PC too :)
22:53 Calinou except it's never going to happen, because you need to pay quite a bit for that, and GPL may prevent it
22:54 Calinou also Windows Store doesn't allow .exe IIRC, only .appx
22:54 Benrob0329[m] Steam!
22:54 Calinou Benrob0329[m]: perhaps... it's actually doable to get a (L)GPL game on Steam
22:54 Calinou but you need Greenlight votes for this, and it's going to be hard for a Minecraft "clone"
22:54 red-001 you can just make an  appx for mt
22:54 Benrob0329[m] I don't think so
22:54 LazyJ I brought up the Google Play scenario as a possible explanation as to why installing Minetest may be too difficult for some.
22:54 Benrob0329[m] Minetest has a fairly large userbase
22:54 lordfingle Hi Calinou!
22:55 Benrob0329[m] I know that many minetest videos have well over 2k views, and most have at least a hundred if by a well known minetester
22:56 red-001 yeah a project that was based on mt got a lot of people calling it a mt fork on greenlight
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23:05 lordfingle So...has anyone done crafting on Android?  I'm not sure of how to split the stacks
23:08 Benrob0329[m] LazyJ: I third the minetest how to videos
23:08 Benrob0329[m] I could help make them even
23:09 Benrob0329[m] lordfingle: try holding with one finger, and tapping with the other
23:10 lordfingle YES!!!!! I think I love you
23:11 Benrob0329[m] I would hope not, that'd be a small thing to love someone over
23:11 lordfingle It depends how desperate they are.
23:12 lordfingle This was looking like a showstopper for me (about to submit my minetest based educational app for the XPRIZE)
23:13 lordfingle BTW, I might consider putting my app on Greenlight this year.  I'll announce in the forum for comment.
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