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02:35 kaeza yarg
02:35 kaeza gettext sucks so much
02:37 kaeza https://gist.github.com/kaeza/c​5c9bdb9d41a68510503aba7a10aebf3
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02:48 swift110 hey
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03:27 * Taose wonders why Pine Trees are growing out of Apple trees...
03:27 mystik pineapple trees!
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03:58 paramat hehe
03:59 paramat are the trunks within the same node column?
04:39 Benrob0329[m] We need a doctor who mod
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04:43 Taose Yes Paramat, one on top of the other. Literally growing out of the top of  it
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05:17 paramat weird, i added tree roots to avoid that
05:50 cheapie Well, this mod I'm making is going to have a formspec with 128 blank buttons... yay?
05:52 cheapie It's a sort-of GAL for mesecons, and those buttons are going to be used for editing the fuse map. They *do* have labels, just not on the buttons until you press them.
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06:28 cheapie Looks like I counted wrong, but still, 64 blank buttons :P
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06:49 cheapie Here it is, now that it's more or less done: https://github.com/cheapie/mesegal
06:50 cheapie It's similar to the device shown in this video (even though that's in a different game, and more sophisticated than this one): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTwGsGb-ktw
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08:17 agaran cheapie: next level will be mese fpga?
08:17 agaran including bitstream compiler made out of cobble?
08:19 Hawk777 :O
08:19 Hawk777 agaran: You know I had this crazy idea of making a VHDL-to-Redstone synthesizer back when I played The Other Voxel Game.
08:19 agaran :)
08:20 agaran that is doable, and emit mt schematics that can be just dropped in
08:20 Hawk777 Oh, I completely agree it’s *doable*. Also lots of work and kind of insane.
08:20 agaran use custom mapgen to place schematics... then make them die when they don't work together.. and you create sort of life form ;)
08:21 Hawk777 Place-and-route would be a much more interesting problem than a typical FPGA synthesis toolchain because, in Minetest, the target is 3D!
08:21 agaran yup
08:21 agaran with teletubes you can make 7D too;)
08:23 agaran and unlike with normal fpga, you can walk between its internals;)
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08:33 Hawk777 Yeah, walking around giant circuits is kinda fun.
08:36 cheapie There aren't a whole lot of those left on VE-Creative, at least, as digilines+digistuff+rgblightstone+etc. is slowly killing off mesecons there.
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08:43 XeonSquared digi... stuff?
08:43 XeonSquared is that an actual mod or just a term?
08:44 agaran cheapie: well digilines are workaround for overall slowness caused by extensive mesecons use..
08:45 agaran and for that you can't toss 4 signals via one node..
08:45 cheapie XeonSquared: https://github.com/cheapie/digistuff
08:46 cheapie agaran: Well, I also can't have 32 mesecons coming out of my traffic light controllers (and that would just be the outputs).
08:46 agaran yep :)
08:47 agaran thats what I mean
08:47 cheapie I would also need 12 inputs, and who knows how many for the UI.
08:47 XeonSquared Is there a current digilines terminal?
08:47 agaran I think so
08:48 cheapie You could make one with a LuaC and a touchscreen (from digistuff) :)
08:48 XeonSquared I'm trying to avoid luacontrollers
08:48 XeonSquared I have a super simple stack machine that can be programmed in machine code at the moment
08:48 XeonSquared Runs at a whopping 1Hz
08:49 cheapie Well, that's further than my mesecons computer has progressed...
08:49 XeonSquared It's a mod
08:49 XeonSquared ie it's written in Lua
08:49 cheapie Oh, OK.
08:50 XeonSquared I'm too lazy to build stuff like that now
08:50 XeonSquared It's about as powerful as a PDP-8 but a hell of a lot slower
08:51 XeonSquared But yeah I'm sorta writing adapters for peripherals and stuff that map into the address space
08:52 XeonSquared So I'm looking for a digilines terminal to write an adapter for, maybe multiple terminals (8 would fit in a single, 16-word page)
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08:53 cheapie I think I'll stick to writing overly complicated traffic light controllers :P
08:54 XeonSquared :P
08:55 cheapie XeonSquared: https://cheapiesystems.com/media/im​ages/screenshot_20170121_025500.png
08:56 XeonSquared uhm
08:56 XeonSquared Are there cars?
08:56 cheapie Nope.
08:57 agaran I saw cars in one or two servers so there is mod for those
08:57 Krock add cars, otherwise it's like a train station without trains
08:57 Krock looks nice but has no special use
08:57 XeonSquared Subway stations make great underground bases though
08:57 agaran Krock: isn't station without trains normal state in MT?
08:57 Krock well, I'd count carts as trains too
08:58 Krock because you can travel faster with them
08:58 cheapie Huh? All the carts mods I've seen were slower than running.
08:58 Krock lol.. https://cheapiesystems.com/​media/images/4vyej2q8bu.jpg
08:59 Krock cheapie, because the default run speed it overpowered. It's like you'd have a jetpack on your feets
09:03 Krock s/feets/feet/
09:06 cheapie I don't even know how many I have any more, as I never built a total function into my inventory system.
09:06 XeonSquared Is that big one a Quantum Fireball?
09:06 XeonSquared wait
09:07 XeonSquared are those just multiple looking very similar?
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09:07 Krock some WD, some Maxtor and Quantum
09:07 cheapie There's a Quantum Bigfoot TS in there, but it's not the biggest.
09:07 XeonSquared wait Fireballs are the smaller ones, aren't they?
09:07 cheapie Fireballs are 3.5".
09:07 XeonSquared Bigfoot were the 5.25" ones
09:08 cheapie I just queried the database directly, and I have 125 drives.
09:08 Krock wow shit man
09:08 Krock I want some of them :P
09:08 XeonSquared Do you have any spare SCSI drives? :P
09:09 cheapie XeonSquared: Quite a few, actually :P
09:09 XeonSquared https://a.uguu.se/5HQPW3kkeDVJ_2305.jpg here's my collection, no obvious drives because I pack everything into boxes
09:09 Krock I don't have an SCSI drive yet.. only PATA
09:09 * cheapie generates and screenshots an "all drives" report
09:10 XeonSquared I really need to clean that corner out
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09:10 cheapie https://cheapiesystems.com/media​/images/alldrives-2017-01-21.png
09:11 XeonSquared Maybe I need to get some shelves or something
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09:11 Krock XeonSquared, cheapie won in terms of neatness. You've just put it on a table using a strange random sort function
09:12 XeonSquared And under a table!
09:12 agaran cheapie: :) I never got to make proper list like that.. but I'd rather keep it as csv.. easier to grep;)
09:12 Krock ah
09:12 XeonSquared Maybe the idea would be to put those two little racks along the wall... no, that won't work
09:13 Krock XeonSquared, why not? That would make it better
09:13 cheapie Drive #148 is a fun one.
09:13 cheapie 15K RPM, 146GB, SAS.
09:13 XeonSquared Krock: that eMac is a CRT
09:13 XeonSquared it's like half the width of the desk
09:13 XeonSquared there'd be no space in front for it
09:13 agaran cheapie: we use 10k/900G sas @work 2.5"
09:13 Krock oh
09:14 XeonSquared so no keyboard for it
09:14 XeonSquared Then again I could just stick it up one end
09:14 cheapie That drive is also a bit old: "number of hours powered up = 65265.07"
09:15 Krock why is PATA red colored? that looks like it would be bad
09:15 cheapie It's also seen over a PB of reads.
09:15 cheapie I more or less randomly chose the colors.
09:15 * XeonSquared has 4 15kRPM 36GB Ultra160 SCSI HDDs and 4 15kRPM 70GB Ultra320 HDDs
09:15 agaran hmm, 900G nvme pcie card @ work have up to 250PB writes..
09:15 cheapie I only had SATA and PATA when I started it, so I gave SATA green and PATA red at the time.
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09:15 cheapie I then extended that with more colors as I got more.
09:16 XeonSquared Maybe when I clean that area out I should do inventory...
09:16 agaran I am slowly scrapping old drives I have.. especially old as under 1G..
09:16 cheapie I only scrap the broken ones.
09:16 agaran well 40MB WDC is not big deal aside of historical/sentimental value..:)
09:17 cheapie I have a 41MB Seagate in there :P
09:17 cheapie ST-251N, still works.
09:17 agaran I still have 40,80,120 and few more drives in MB region..
09:17 agaran yes those ancients are noisy, but still working fine
09:17 XeonSquared cheapie: how much storage do you have in total?
09:18 cheapie Dunno.
09:18 cheapie I do know that I have 4 drives sitting on the shelf that add up to 10TB.
09:18 XeonSquared I have a server with 10TB :D
09:18 agaran XeonSquared: personal one?
09:18 XeonSquared yeah
09:18 XeonSquared for all my uh
09:19 XeonSquared linux isos
09:19 agaran neat, my personal @home has 3x1TB constellation ES..
09:19 cheapie My storage server has 2 2TB drives in RAID 1, with a third for backup.
09:19 cheapie agaran: Heh, I have one of those sitting on the shelf collecting dust.
09:19 XeonSquared I've got 5 2TB HDDs in RAID 5 with a 120GB SSD for /
09:19 agaran cheapie: I had 4x but one has issues so removed it from raid..
09:20 cheapie My main computer has a 256GB SSD, which is sort of overkill: /dev/nvme0n1p2       235G   34G  190G  15% /
09:20 XeonSquared That's the only SSD I own
09:20 agaran heh. nvme are neat
09:20 XeonSquared q_q
09:20 XeonSquared My desktop has two 500GB HDDs I got for free
09:20 XeonSquared just like every other computer I won
09:20 XeonSquared I own
09:20 agaran cheapie: you know that most recent smartctl has support to read statistics from nvme?
09:21 cheapie agaran: Yep, I've used it before.
09:21 Krock XeonSquared, donated from friends or what?
09:21 XeonSquared I have so much spare storage I got for free and not a huge amount of money so I can't really justify SSDs
09:21 cheapie XeonSquared: Heh, I have a few computers I got free.
09:21 XeonSquared Krock: friends, clients, workplaces...
09:21 XeonSquared I'm sort of an electronics disposal of sorts
09:21 Krock hehe, got my stuff on the same way :3
09:21 agaran Krock: it starts to be sad when you can get next computer for free and you have no room for that..
09:21 XeonSquared I take whatever people give me and either rebuild and sell it or dispose of it properly
09:22 Krock agaran, oh yes, I know that problem
09:22 cheapie I'm trying to see if I can find a suitable stand to replace an old P1 box at school that's being used as one.
09:22 XeonSquared Most recently I could've gotten literally hundreds of Lenovo IdeaPad S10es but I only took 20 because space
09:22 XeonSquared They're worth <$50/piece nowdays so I'm pretty much giving them away to people without reasonable computing ability
09:23 XeonSquared ie no computer or really ancient computer
09:23 XeonSquared met someone a while back
09:23 XeonSquared they were using an iBook G4
09:23 XeonSquared OS X 10.4
09:23 cheapie This old P3 box I have is decent at most stuff as long as you don't try to do anything online with much JS.
09:24 XeonSquared I have a wonderful dual P3 1.133Ghz box with 768M of RAM
09:24 cheapie Mine is only 1x 933 MHz with 256MB of RAM :(
09:25 XeonSquared It has the 4 15kRPM SCSI Ultra320 HDDs
09:25 XeonSquared the wonders of schools disposing of old servers
09:25 cheapie I have a WD Vantage 9.1GB 10K RPM hard drive in it.
09:25 cheapie Some sort of SCSI, not like I care aside from it being wide and LVD.
09:25 XeonSquared What do you use for your inventory stuff?
09:25 XeonSquared I uh
09:25 cheapie Custom PHP scripts and MySQL.
09:25 XeonSquared feel a need to do inventory now
09:26 XeonSquared Ah okay
09:26 XeonSquared well
09:26 XeonSquared I'm not gonna do that, at least to start
09:26 XeonSquared Time to fire up LO Calc I guess
09:26 cheapie I've considered moving it to some kind of Lua-based solution, as I have way more Lua experience than PHP.
09:26 XeonSquared Lua CGI scripts are wonderfulk
09:26 XeonSquared Wonderful
09:26 XeonSquared I use them for my site and they're so nice to use
09:27 XeonSquared at least on apache2
09:27 cheapie I was thinking more CLI than CGI.
09:27 agaran but you will need to implement a lot instead of using ready php..
09:27 cheapie (although CGI could be an option)
09:27 XeonSquared Inventory as Lua tables could be nice
09:28 cheapie I have connected a LuaC to a hard drive before, not that that's related :P
09:28 cheapie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeiJxJPCn2U
09:30 XeonSquared ...
09:42 XeonSquared Hm
09:42 XeonSquared Different sheet for each type?
09:42 XeonSquared Yeah, why not?>
09:43 MinetestBot [git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Do not force deletion of players when mapblock is full (#5081) 2ea6015 https://git.io/vMHx1 (2017-01-21T09:41:00Z)
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09:44 cheapie ...OK, so I was just ranting about that on a different network, and now, less than half an hour later, it gets fixed?
09:45 agaran yes;) you rant good way
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09:49 XeonSquared How does one store graphics cards/
09:53 agaran in box?
09:53 Krock into a box: carton, card, carton, card, ...
09:53 Krock or just card on card if they're not worthful
09:53 XeonSquared Well, stacking them together in ESD protection bags doesn't seem ideal
09:53 agaran get more bags
09:54 agaran bbl
09:55 Krock depending on the age of the card you can ignore ESD - no idea how many times I'd have destroyed this Riva TNT card
09:55 XeonSquared These are this-decade NVIDIA cards
09:55 XeonSquared mostly not low end either
09:55 Krock ah, well then it's better to put them into bags
10:00 XeonSquared All the old ones are in an old motherboard box
10:00 XeonSquared probably the nForce 4 Albatron box actually
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10:30 MinetestBot [git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Warning fix for 2ea60156437962d7d29d20606bf5d9189059f76b (#5082) 0eede97 https://git.io/vMHhv (2017-01-21T10:29:18Z)
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10:33 XeonSquared https://i.imgur.com/qVwSeEN.png
10:33 XeonSquared It begins.
10:35 Krock +1 for libreOffice
10:35 XeonSquared Well, it has the sanest interface and works well.
10:36 Krock also index all cables and PSU's you have
10:37 Krock not to forget all PCI(-E) and AGP cards
10:38 XeonSquared I should probably generalize Graphics Cards to just Cards
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10:39 agaran how about turbochannel, isa8, isa16, isa-vlb cards?;) and eisa.. and mca?
10:40 XeonSquared Only got 4 ISA cards
10:42 XeonSquared ...
10:42 XeonSquared The 8-port switch on my desk only has two things connected
10:42 XeonSquared the big 48-port switch in the rack and my deskop
10:42 XeonSquared why is it even here
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10:48 agaran heh.. I have two 5ports and they are barelly enough
10:49 agaran especially when I connect ethernet-equipped mcus
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10:56 XeonSquared ...
10:56 XeonSquared These monitors have their serial numbers in chinese
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11:27 rdococ yaw goes counterclockwise, right?
11:40 rdococ yay got my thing to work
11:44 rdococ I modified a portal gun mod I found to better set the player's yaw on teleportation
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11:52 Kurolox Hello. Why am I seeing random purple cubes with the "missing object" text in them?
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11:55 Kurolox Also there's a way to make the minetest client save my password and put it automatically in servers?
11:56 sfan5 nope not possible
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11:56 sfan5 also about "missing object": that can happen when mods are removed from servers
11:58 rdococ you can also use /spawnentity with an unknown entity name to spawn one in
12:05 Kurolox Hm. I'm getting missing objects in a new generated map, so I don't think that's the issue
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12:05 Kurolox there are mods tho, but I haven't interacted with the world yet or modified any mod since the world was generated
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12:46 juli @Kurolox u can compile it yourself and write your Password into code ...
12:46 juli but i think that is not a good solution
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12:48 Kurolox I could, but I'll pass. Also, how demanding is to have rollback enabled in a server? I guess that quite a lot, but I'd like to know for sure.
12:49 red-001 I think est31 made a basic password manager some time ago
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12:50 red-001 you can modify builtin to make it enter the password
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15:11 MinetestBot [git] red-001 -> minetest/minetest: Detach the player from entities on death. (#5077) 72535d3 https://git.io/vMQtq (2017-01-21T15:11:55Z)
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16:05 MinetestBot [git] sapier at gmx dot net -> minetest/minetest: Add Entity get_texture_mod() to Lua API c57b4ff https://git.io/vMQmy (2017-01-21T16:01:02Z)
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16:14 MinetestBot [git] sapier at gmx dot net -> minetest/minetest: Fix unknown command message not providing number of cmd 238b021 https://git.io/vMQYZ (2017-01-21T16:13:53Z)
16:17 MinetestBot [git] sapier at gmx dot net -> minetest/minetest: Fix unknown command message not providing number of cmd b9c1a75 https://git.io/vMQYE (2017-01-21T16:16:22Z)
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16:32 MinetestBot [git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Revert "Detach the player from entities on death." (#5087) bc29e03 https://git.io/vMQO8 (2017-01-21T16:30:55Z)
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16:58 CWz i am wandering why that was reverted
16:58 CWz *wondering
17:01 red-001 there is a bug that happens when the player is killed by lava
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17:07 passant hi there, i am currently a bit confused - i ran cmake with -DRUN_IN_PLACE=0 but it only works when the server is started within the directory but not outside: error while loading shared libraries: libspatialindex.so.4
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17:23 agaran passant: ldd ./<minetest>
17:23 agaran see from what patch it got library
17:24 agaran it may be systemwide OR build along minetest
17:26 passant ah, thanks for the command, agaran, good to know about. however: libspatialindex.so.4 => not found
17:26 passant *the bin/minetestserver is available
17:26 passant odd?
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17:27 passant *i mean the path is correctly set in the bin/minetestserver while it is 'not found' in the installed binary
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17:48 sfan5 passant: looks like you compiled minetest with a locally installed library and LD_LIBRARY_PATH=. or -rpath .
17:48 sfan5 easiest solution is to not do that
17:49 sfan5 other solution would be to install said library system-wide
17:50 passant sfan5, this is the full version: -DBUILD_SERVER=1 -DBUILD_CLIENT=0 -DENABLE_REDIS=1 -DENABLE_LUAJIT=1 -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Release -DENABLE_SPATIAL=1 -DENABLE_GETTEXT=1 -DCURSES_INCLUDE_PATH=/usr/include -DCURSES_HAVE_NCURSES_H=TRUE -DRUN_IN_PLACE=0 while my latest attept was with -DSPATIAL_LIBRARY=/usr/loca​l/lib/libspatialindex.so.4
17:50 sfan5 well it looks like /usr/local/lib is not in your library path
17:52 passant so i should define LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib ?
17:54 sfan5 that might help
17:58 passant same result, sadly
17:58 passant i noticed 'Set runtime path of "/usr/local/bin/minetestserver" to ""', maybe it helps..
18:02 agaran you can add /usr/local/lib to /etc/ld.so.conf, then ldconfig -v
18:02 agaran sorry for delay, focused on other window
18:04 passant woooo, thanks agaran \o/
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18:32 MinetestBot [git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Add show_statusline_on_connect setting (#5084) 6d5a407 https://git.io/vMQcg (2017-01-21T18:30:42Z)
18:38 crazyR sfan5 is there any reason why minetest.override_item() would fail to change "default:glass" definition??
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19:08 sfan5 crazyR: default:glass is not an item but a node
19:08 sfan5 but i don't know whether there are different functions for that
19:10 crazyR from what ive read it works for both items and nodes.. but doesnt seem to be working.. ive also tried minetest.register_node(":default:glass"...... etc with no luck.. il continue to search for the reason thougth lol :D
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19:59 IhrFussel sfan5: what was the command to check the segfault function again? addr2line called with some options?
19:59 IhrFussel Cause it happened again
19:59 sfan5 Jan 05 14:25:58 <sfan5> run addr2line -pfC -e <path to minetestserver executable> <the long hex value after "ip">
20:00 IhrFussel Ok thanks
20:00 agaran if you got core, you can load it to gdb, and run bt as well
20:01 sfan5 indeed
20:02 IhrFussel It is the exact same function again SendMovePlayer
20:03 sfan5 well probably something called SendMovePlayer for a player that doesn't exist
20:07 IhrFussel Could be...
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20:28 Calinou just stumbled upon this, http://sqlitebrowser.org/
20:31 Krock yeah, pretty nice tool but not very usable for compressed data
20:32 sfan5 it's of zero use with minetest
20:34 Calinou indeed, I tried
20:35 rdococ ih
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21:07 MinetestBot [git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Remove os.exit from the Lua secure sandbox (#5090) 39123fc https://git.io/vMQEW (2017-01-21T21:05:54Z)
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22:14 thePalindrome Any regular players here?
22:16 Calinou thePalindrome: yes :p
22:18 thePalindrome I'm trying to think what would make for a decent unit of power for mt
22:18 thePalindrome mc managed to standardize Redstone Flux, and I'd rather start a power system right in mt :P
22:23 thePalindrome Now, I understand that mesecons are basically redstone, but I'd like to at least pretend I'm creative :P
22:23 Calinou MesepowerTuxGNUMSEvil
22:23 Calinou how about this?
22:24 Calinou every open source game needs Tux!
22:24 Calinou ;)
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22:24 thePalindrome You misspelled M$
22:24 thePalindrome :P
22:32 swift110 hey guys
22:32 thePalindrome Heya
22:32 swift110 Solus OS has the latest version of Minetest
22:32 swift110 how are you thePalindrome
22:32 Benrob0329[m] How about bits?
22:32 thePalindrome As in mese bits :P
22:32 Benrob0329[m] Since mesecons doesn't have power kevels
22:32 Benrob0329[m] *levels
22:32 thePalindrome touche
22:33 thePalindrome which imo is rather irritating
22:33 thePalindrome @swift I'm just getting around to filling out my forum profile
22:33 Benrob0329[m] Id rather see mesecons become more reliable before I see power levels though
22:33 thePalindrome Figured I should ask the forum what mc mods they want ported :P
22:34 swift110 thePalindrome: I need to do that myself
22:38 thePalindrome Do we have any "extra entity api" mods?
22:39 thePalindrome Core game doesn't have passive vs. hostile
22:44 thePalindrome What do you guys think about pretending the "far lands" are a thing?
22:45 thePalindrome Like for tracks 17,18, and 19 here: https://musescore.com/blackavar/sets/2408326
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23:32 cong how do i fix this area https://puu.sh/tuWts/32c4d97e4f.png
23:33 cong game glitched the area
23:33 Benrob0329[m] You could try to regenerate it
23:33 Benrob0329[m] ```/deleteblocks here 10```
23:35 cong it worked! thank you.
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