Time  Nick             Message
00:45 Wayward_One      Another spammer: https://forum.minetest.net/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=20414&sid=bec09ddded073dd0f3cc4852e7f57a42
00:49 Fixer            have you reported it?
00:50 Fixer            ok, it is
00:50 Fixer            my... so much ad trash going to minetest forums
00:50 Fixer            scumbags
00:51 Fixer            have a good night
01:11 rubenwardy       please may a moderator lock this topic: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=3829&start=75
01:11 rubenwardy       and split out the recent discussion
01:44 MinetestBot      02[git] 04sofar -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Revert "Doors: Remove ..." and "Doors: Allow the screwdriver to ..." 136dcf541 https://git.io/vMrZE (152017-01-16T01:43:17Z)
02:44 sweBers          Hello!  I wanted to look at the monster models (better understand them), but it looks like they're in a proprietary format (b3d).  What can I use to inspect them better?
02:48 freelikegnu      many model are available as .blend here: https://github.com/NPXcoot/Nssm-models-textures-sounds/tree/master/models
02:49 sweBers          HAH, thanks!
02:49 freelikegnu      np
02:52 sweBers          I was trying to open up dirt monster/Stone monster models
02:54 sweBers          And those aren't in there.  Is there a way to get those to open via blender, or since they're more or less simple enough should I go ahead and try modeling them myself?
03:00 thePalindrome    I personally would suggest trying to model them yourself
03:01 sweBers          I think I like that Idea better.
03:56 sweBers          :(  I will fumble with it later.  Having trouble actually controlling the tool.  More tuts later.
04:18 XeonSquared      argh
04:18 XeonSquared      race condition
10:04 JamesTait        Good morning all, and happy Blue Monday! 😁
11:41 yusf[m]          Anyone tried digtron mod yet? It's amazingly good.
13:02 rubenwardy       please may a moderator lock this topic: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=3829&start=75
13:05 VanessaE         done.
13:09 rubenwardy       thanks!
13:09 Fixer            uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
13:10 Fixer            So I went traveling in minetest to a location, and suddenly fell down under block due to that falling through block bug, now i'm stuck underground, without tools too, and need to rewalk 700 nodes again
13:11 Fixer            :/
13:12 juhdanad         Falling trough block bug?
13:46 Fixer            yes
13:46 Fixer            through
13:47 Fixer            !tell juhdanad yes, this one: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4621
13:47 MinetestBot      Fixer: I'll pass that on when juhdanad is around
13:52 Taose            >.> never watched Babylon 5 before. Great show.
15:05 MinetestBot      juhdanad: Jan-16 13:47 UTC <Fixer> yes, this one: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4621
15:36 IhrFussel        Today I noticed that it's a BAD IDEA to display rules as a formspec...why? Because different screens have different scales and some smaller screens (eg phones) see only part of the formspec
15:37 IhrFussel        And the GUI scaling settings is now hidden in the advanced settings so most users with incorrect scale value won't find it...great
15:37 sfan5            just don're write twenty pages of rules
15:39 IhrFussel        sfan5, my /rules formspec is exactly 1 page but some rules are a bit longer and take the whole line on my phone
15:40 IhrFussel        And it's not only my formspec..one user told me he couldn't use the saw from "moreblocks" cause of this scale issue...is there no way to get the screen size + resolution of the device and adjust the scale? In c++ I mean
15:42 exio4            anybody from Brazil? I want to know the price of normal things over there
15:42 IhrFussel        The person who complained about the saw issue also said he could NOT even navigate the advanced settings window cause everything was too large...the buttons to edit or cancel were OUTSIDE of the screen
15:43 IhrFussel        IMO that's a huge flaw if some devices cannot display the game settings correctly
15:44 exio4            (milk, snacks, cheese, meat, common fruits like apples, etc :P)
15:44 IhrFussel        I had to explain to him how he can edit the .conf file manually...this is unacceptable
15:47 IhrFussel        And I will file an issue regarding that now
15:51 Fixer            IhrFussel: ugh... probably some guy on 320*255 device :trollface:
15:51 Fixer            i guess we need Minetest port to WinCE :}
15:51 Fixer            PPC 2003 :}
15:52 IhrFussel        Fixer, no it happened on a relatively recent 5" smartphone
15:56 octacian         How do I get the texture of the block a player punches?
15:56 octacian         Right now I'm getting the nodedef then using tiles, but it doesn't seem very reliable.
16:10 MinetestBot      02[git] 04rubenwardy -> 03minetest/minetest: Rename ObjectRef methods to be consistent and predictable 1363c892e https://git.io/vMoa2 (152017-01-16T15:34:44Z)
16:14 Fixer            IhrFussel: 5" smartphone? Who on earth will play on that? Seriously...........;
16:15 IhrFussel        Fixer, Average smartphone screen size is 4 - 4.5"
16:15 rubenwardy       I'm planning on looking into GUI scaling on smartphones at some point
16:15 rubenwardy       however formspecs are inherently unresponsive
16:15 rubenwardy       so it's difficult
16:16 rubenwardy       Maybe media queries could be a thing for node meta inventories
16:17 rubenwardy       and for formspec_send it could send the proper one
16:17 IhrFussel        rubenwardy, it would be awesome if the menu scale could just be fixed first so that players can at least navigate the advanced settings...server queries have a lower priority
16:17 rubenwardy       inoptimal though, would be much better to have proper layouting
16:17 rubenwardy       yeah
16:18 IhrFussel        The players can adjust the gui scale themselves and change all other options they need...and AFAIK GUI scale also affects the server contents
16:19 IhrFussel        Then the players*
16:23 Fixer            IhrFussel: but why would you play minetest/minecraft on 4" screen?
16:23 Fixer            it is like shitting on Everest
16:23 rdococ           sounds like the tiniest everest ever
16:23 Fixer            very uncomfortable
16:24 Fixer            i consider this mazohism
16:25 rubenwardy       It's not that bad
16:25 Fixer            in my time it was this: https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4122/161056488.9c/0_ac8a8_18e3c08f_orig.jpg
16:26 Fixer            and this https://xage.ru/media/uploads/2015/05/gadzhrt/1.jpg
16:26 rubenwardy       if we used a dial rather than <^>v it would be better imo
16:26 Fixer            and zx spectrum clone + TV
16:27 Fixer            but that was 2d...
16:27 agaran           there were no 4" TVs ;)
16:28 Fixer            i had about 30" greyscale or smth like
16:28 Fixer            CRT ofc
16:28 IhrFussel        I play Minetest almost only on Android...the app got improved quite a bit since 0.4.12 and it feels alright
16:29 rubenwardy       Please feel free to make a shit ton of issues for Android, IhrFussel
16:29 rubenwardy       We need more feedback :D
16:29 Fixer            haha
16:29 Fixer            796 issues is not enough
16:29 Fixer            oh lol
16:30 Fixer            i remember it 600 just recently iirc
16:30 IhrFussel        rubenwardy, I had to file 4 issues so far...so not a lot :P
16:33 Fixer            rubenwardy: btw notice how tabs override on top of MINETEST https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/2122943/21989822/49821088-dc04-11e6-85e9-371f5eee7b1e.png
16:33 rubenwardy       yeah, that's irritating
16:41 IhrFussel        Can I simply remove minetest.add_particlespawner() from the code in paramat's "nether" mod if I don't want that without breaking something?
16:42 IhrFussel        Sorry I mean PilzAdam*
16:43 IhrFussel        https://github.com/PilzAdam/nether/blob/master/init.lua#L249
16:44 red-001          looks like MSVC build is broken
16:44 red-001          should be fairly easy to fix
16:49 Taose            Wouldn't it be nice if we could label bags...
16:51 red-001          or not...
16:51 red-001          looks like msvc messed up
16:51 Fixer            not possible currently I think
16:52 Taose            mmm...
16:53 Taose            Which reminds me
16:53 Taose            I asked a question yesterday...
16:53 Taose            is it possible to put a node onto an entity?
16:54 Taose            Say...
16:54 Taose            a boat
16:54 Taose            like a lump of dirt?
16:54 red-001          no?
16:54 Taose            dammit
16:54 Fixer            no idea
16:54 red-001          not really sure what you mean
16:54 red-001          like drop it?
16:54 Taose            Lets say I build a boat and my inventory is...full with other things
16:55 Taose            and I wanna put one block of dirt onto the boat (i.e place it)
16:55 red-001          well I think it might be possible to add an inventory
16:55 red-001          maybe
16:55 Taose            >.> I want to build a House Boat.
16:55 Taose            that I can move.
16:56 red-001          not possible
16:56 IhrFussel        Guys what happens if I replace a mod directory with another while the server is running?
16:56 Taose            Dammit.
16:56 red-001          nothing?
16:56 red-001          I mean the mods and textures are already loaded
16:56 Taose            Ihr, you have reload the mods to get it to show an effect.
16:56 rubenwardy       depends if the mod tries to access one of their files
16:57 rubenwardy       usually nothing
16:57 red-001          ^
16:57 rubenwardy       but it's possible the mod accesses a config file every so often
16:57 rubenwardy       but I haven't heard of that
16:57 IhrFussel        So are the mod files loaded into RAM?
16:57 rubenwardy       basically
16:57 red-001          those sort of things should be in the world directory anyway
16:57 rubenwardy       the textures are already loaded into ram and given to the players
16:58 rubenwardy       the init files are run, and any globals are in ram
16:58 red-001          yeah the code is complied to lua bytecode and loaded in the lua vm
16:58 Taose            I wonder if it's possible to load some things into Swap instead, like for instance config files
16:58 red-001          well yeah, but why?
16:58 Taose            Save RAM
16:59 red-001          not really
16:59 red-001          you would need to waste a lot of ram and cpu loading the setting file
16:59 Taose            hm
17:00 red-001          the minetest load config file function is quite complex
17:01 IhrFussel        Oh yes it is...I didn't even find one person till this day that could absolutely tell me which config settings are only updated on restart and which are updated in realtime (like max_users)
17:01 Taose            But yeah, it's a shame about the entity thing
17:01 Taose            A few cool ideas just went up in smoke.
17:03 red-001          pretty sure they are saved in real time
17:03 red-001          (or close to)
17:04 red-001          but they are only loaded when minetest starts
17:04 IhrFussel        red-001, most settings only apply when you restart the engine, a few get updated in realtime
17:04 Taose            I would have thought something like Max_Users would be server start only thing
17:05 IhrFussel        Taose, nope I use it whenever my server gets unexpected user spikes... /set max_users NEWVALUE
17:05 red-001          IhrFussel i'm talking about changes in config files
17:06 red-001          if you where to change max-users in the config file, I'm pretty sure it would have on effect
17:06 IhrFussel        Yeah well the files themselves only are loaded when you initialize the engine
17:07 IhrFussel        Unless you use some hack...I saw somewhere a method to load new Lua scripts in runtime
17:07 red-001          It could be a good idea to tag which settings can be changed without restarting
17:07 Taose            Could I assign an inventory to different parts of any entity?
17:08 red-001          yeah it's possible to create code at run time in lua
17:08 red-001          with the loadstring command I believe
17:09 Taose            Oh I don't mean as the game is playing.
17:09 Taose            I just meant could it be done at all.
17:09 red-001          pretty sure mod security blocks loadstring
17:09 red-001          or at least the bytecode loading part of it
17:09 Taose            ?
17:10 red-001          ?
17:10 IhrFussel        Here's the method I saw https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4988#issuecomment-270467196
17:10 Taose            So I can't register an entity with multiple inventories depending on which part you "use" (once it's been placed of course)
17:11 red-001          I still don't really understand what ... in lua means
17:12 Taose            Lets take a boat for an example.
17:12 Taose            Register(Boat:Boat) with an Inventory at Aft and one at Bow
17:12 Taose            OnUse (check if bow, if bow access bow inventory)
17:13 IhrFussel        red-001, "The three dots (...) in the parameter list indicate that the function has a variable number of arguments."
17:14 IhrFussel        https://www.lua.org/pil/5.2.html
17:14 red-001          and passing it to another function means passing all those arguments?
17:17 Taose            ...are there two conversations going on?
17:18 agaran           if only two then channel is quiet..
17:21 Taose            and now it's dead
17:21 agaran           yup, seems protocol error..
17:21 IhrFussel        agaran, btw it was actually really just the VPS...since I moved to the dedi almost all lag spikes are gone
17:21 agaran           connection resed by pear ;)
17:22 agaran           IhrFussel: I once probably mentioned that possiblity but good to hear that it is working well now
17:22 Taose            Now you just need a faster dedi
17:22 agaran           then faster cluster;)
17:22 agaran           minetest-cloud ;0
17:22 Taose            I good old 3.2Ghz I7
17:22 Taose            I don't think a cluster would be any good
17:22 Taose            Mintest doesn't do multi-core as is
17:23 IhrFussel        No thanks...I'm not willing to pay any more than now... players will have to accept the rare spikes xP
17:24 Taose            Who are you hosting with anyway?
17:24 IhrFussel        My hoster is Strato (most popular German server hoster)
17:25 Taose            ah
17:25 IhrFussel        https://www.strato.de/server/linux-root-server/ <<< I have the D100
17:27 agaran           Taose: thats why it needs more improvements, and I was fooling I bit
17:27 agaran           I wish mt could utilize multicores properly and that I could get one of work beasts to internets for a trip.. 320 xeon cores, 2TB ram pool would make it fun..
17:29 Taose            It would in the mean time, we're limited to an i7
17:30 * Taose          looks at the processor speeds...
17:30 Taose            it's basically intel or bust
17:30 sfan5            AMD should be releasing some good stuff soon though
17:31 agaran           i have dual xeon 8core/16thread boxes, 10 of them.
17:32 Taose            Are any servers actually close to maxing out the i7?
17:32 Taose            I'd imagine it takes a lot of players
17:32 agaran           so that would be rather enough to run an instance of MT..
17:32 Taose            several instances agaran
17:32 Taose            assuming your ram can keep up
17:33 agaran           128-256G mem per box..
17:33 IhrFussel        Taose, I doubt it, look at my "weak" dedi and even with 35 players its load goes barely over 1,00
17:33 Taose            your nost hosting a server farm because?
17:33 agaran           no.. it is one of my work envs..
17:33 Taose            X)
17:34 agaran           but it would be fun to take it to internets and run MT for example.. and see how much mesecons mess it can handle (assuming proper multicore)
17:34 Taose            What's the bandwidth (up/down) like Ihr?
17:35 Taose            (contemplating home hosting >.>)
17:36 IhrFussel        All machines by Strato have 1gbit/s so ~ 95 MB/sec
17:36 Taose            Mib/s or MB/s?
17:36 Taose            (there's a difference)
17:36 IhrFussel        1 GB is downloaded in 15 secs xD
17:37 sfan5            • Unit conversions: 533.3 Mb/s  (megabits per second)
17:37 Taose            Mibs != Mb/s
17:38 Taose            (I have to convert everything nowadays because some ... decided that they wanted to "offset" everything by a certain amount and call it a different name)
17:38 sfan5            nobody uses mibibytes or mebibytes
17:38 Taose            We don't
17:38 Taose            ISPs
17:38 Taose            do
17:38 sfan5            ISPs use megabits
17:38 Taose            Not mine
17:38 Fixer            1gbit is 125mb/sec top it seems
17:39 Fixer            1000/8
17:39 IhrFussel        Fixer, yes but I only reach 95-98
17:40 IhrFussel        I have a 16.000 KBIT/s connection here at home...
17:40 Fixer            16mbit
17:41 IhrFussel        16 / 8 = 2 ... but I get max 1.5 MB/s
17:42 IhrFussel        Do any of you have such a slow connection? Or even slower? Here in Germany I feel like most people have 25mbit or even 50
17:42 Taose            I have a 32Mb/s down and 6Mb/s up
17:44 rom1504          I have 1Gb/s down and 200Mb/s up
17:44 sfan5            IhrFussel: germany is far behind when it comes to internet speeds, 16mbits is very common
17:44 IhrFussel        rom1504, at HOME?
17:44 Taose            He's probably in Sweden
17:44 Taose            or Estonia
17:44 sfan5            or romania
17:44 rom1504          IhrFussel: yes
17:44 rom1504          france
17:44 Taose            o.O
17:44 Taose            damn
17:45 Taose            Unfortunately < FTTP outside of reach ._.
17:45 Fixer            sfan5: behind who?
17:46 IhrFussel        sfan5, what's funny is that I'm in BERLIN...the capital and they only offer 16mbit here tops? That is silly
17:46 sfan5            Fixer: behing most other EU/european countries
17:46 sfan5            IhrFussel: deutsche telekom has FTTH in berlin, check their website
17:46 sfan5            there's also probably a local provider for berlin
17:46 sfan5            like netcologne for köln
17:46 celeron55        i have about 10-20 Mbit down, 1 Mbit up at home in finland
17:47 IhrFussel        I'm stuck with Vodafone for now -.- (schufa)
17:58 Fixer            2 down / 3 up
17:58 Fixer            ._.
17:59 IhrFussel        More upload bandwith than download bandwith?? How's that possible
18:00 Taose            I assume that's in "bits" Fixer ;)
18:00 Taose            Depends on the ISP
18:00 Fixer            mbits
18:00 Taose            Some companies cater specifically to upload speeds.
18:15 IhrFussel        Can one run 2 servers with the same IP?
18:16 VanessaE         sure, just put them on different ports.
18:16 VanessaE         I host something like 10 minetest instances on one IP
18:17 VanessaE         (four are ones I directly run, others belong to other folks for whom I just host)
18:17 IhrFussel        VanessaE, are there any "dangerous" ports you should never use? Or which ones would you recommend?
18:18 VanessaE         just avoid the usual ports that other apps/services use e.g. port 80 is http for example.
18:18 VanessaE         it's recommended to use something in the 30000-39999 range
18:18 VanessaE         typically just start at the bottom and work your way up as you add more instances.
18:18 IhrFussel        So I could just run one server on 30000 and another on 30001?
18:19 VanessaE         yep
18:20 IhrFussel        Wow so you could theoretically run over 10,000 servers on one machine
18:20 VanessaE         if you could keep your resources well-enough organized, sure
18:20 red-001          you can run as many servers as you have open ports
18:20 red-001          and resources
18:20 VanessaE         in practice, you can run roughly four servers per GB or CPU core, thereabouts.
18:20 red-001          the chances are you will run out of the latter a lot faster
18:21 IhrFussel        I think the RAM consumption without any custom mods is about 50 MB right?
18:21 VanessaE         https://daconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/stats-daily.html
18:21 VanessaE         see here for a practical example
18:21 VanessaE         there are 10 server instances tracked on that page, plus I'm sure there are a few more that aren't tracked
18:22 VanessaE         you can see how RAM, CPU, and disk all behave.  the spike between 0700 and 0800 is the nightly backup script
18:22 VanessaE         which does a lot of tasks like ...well.. making backups :P as well as generating interactive overview maps, making downloadable copies of the worlds, uploading files to offsite FTP, and some other stuff.
18:24 IhrFussel        VanessaE, nice graphs...well I'm not planning to run 10 or more instances on my machine xD was just curious about running multiple at once
18:24 VanessaE         (the data is gathered and organized by a number of standard Linux tools like iostat, top, rrdtool, etc.  Player counts are gathered by scraping the debug logs)
18:25 VanessaE         heh ok
18:25 IhrFussel        Do you use grep for the debug logs? Or is there a faster tool?
18:26 VanessaE         grep, echo, cut, and wc
18:26 VanessaE         https://daconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/Server-scripts/
18:27 VanessaE         (see the "watchlogs.sh" one at the bottom)
18:27 Fixer            VanessaE: your stats are valuable
18:28 Fixer            VanessaE: seems cpu and mem usage are about the same within 20DEC-16JAN
18:28 VanessaE         yep
18:29 Fixer            VanessaE: can you keep yearly statistics? some raw data with day avg incl players played... will be useful to compare between versions
18:29 VanessaE         nah, not gonna bother going that far back
18:31 Fixer            yearly stats https://linuxiuvat.de/stats/mt/
18:32 Fixer            on yggdrasil server
18:36 IhrFussel        I wonder how many servers have an overview site like this: http://bit.do/ihrfussel
18:39 IhrFussel        I admit it's not the best design/layout but I tried my best lol...if someone has any suggestions to improve it let me know
18:43 Sokomine         ah. thanks for adding the search field to the server list! that's a feature i've long been waiting for
18:45 rubenwardy       :D
18:45 rubenwardy       Search bar for advanced settings coming soon too
18:46 agaran           search in 4.15 or post?
18:46 rubenwardy       it's in 0.4.15-dev
18:46 Taose            Which -dev
18:47 Taose            I have e2e8da5
18:47 Taose            (Minetest 0.4.15-dev-e2...
18:47 Taose            )
18:47 rubenwardy       it wasm merged tomorrow
18:47 Taose            ...
18:47 rubenwardy       oops, the other one
18:47 rubenwardy       yesterday
18:47 rubenwardy       f3bd4c405df6bce64b7a98789d825eeac9c279b2
18:48 Taose            I'm going to have to take a moment to get all the giggles out...
18:49 Taose            At least now we know how the devs perceive time...
18:50 rubenwardy       only 43000 seconds out
18:51 rubenwardy       Sokomine: also, a small layout tweak is coming: https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/2122943/21989822/49821088-dc04-11e6-85e9-371f5eee7b1e.png
18:51 rubenwardy       removes the ugly blank space
18:51 Taose            You should use the Lorem Ipsum generator
18:52 rubenwardy       effort
18:52 rubenwardy       :D
18:52 Taose            ^ in true dev fashion
18:52 rubenwardy       I do for web design
19:04 TelepathicVampir Hi, i want to check if the player is exposed to the sun. Has anyone done this before? I think i would have to loop through all node above the player and see if they are 'transparent'..
19:05 Taose            Check the "Sunburn" mod
19:09 agaran           Taose: so now you know all common mods?
19:09 strncpy          TelepathicVampir: I thought the sun had the highest light level
19:09 Taose            ?
19:09 Taose            No
19:09 strncpy          so blocks could only emit a lesser light level
19:09 strncpy          therefore a a light level above a certain threshold would be sunlight
19:10 Taose            Hellno. It's just, that's a likely place to check for sunlight checking...
19:10 Taose            (I have read the Minetest Customizing page though)
19:10 Taose            (about it)
19:12 Taose            Are meselamps a lower level of light then?
19:12 agaran           with last version you can't get > maxlight at all
19:20 TelepathicVampir sunburn also uses light level
19:21 Taose            But it should be set at a rate that only the sun can produce
19:21 Taose            so
19:22 TelepathicVampir ok, i got it
19:22 TelepathicVampir it seemed there might be a possible for nodes to emit more or equal
19:22 TelepathicVampir but it's not possible engine-wise?
19:22 Taose            (much easier than cycling through all the nodes XD)
19:22 TelepathicVampir that for sure ;)
19:23 Taose            It's possible
19:24 Taose            Any reason why you're after sunlight specifically?
19:24 TelepathicVampir for my survival mod, to see if there's increase in temperatures and also delight from being in the sun..light
19:25 TelepathicVampir so nodes emitting light would definetly interfere
19:25 Taose            Increase in temperature is fine, just tie to standard light level. If a node is producing more light than the sun... you have other problems
19:25 Taose            Delight from being in the sun is a different matter.
19:26 fwhcat           Oops: http://minetest.fwhost.eu/screenshot_20170116_200554.png
19:26 TelepathicVampir then only cycling through all nodes above is left huh
19:26 fwhcat           never recruit noob admins and give them worldedit
19:26 Taose            Pretty much
19:26 fwhcat           ^^
19:26 Taose            >.>
19:26 Taose            There was someone who did very much the same yesterday...
19:26 MinetestBot      02[git] 04rubenwardy -> 03minetest/minetest: Adjust formspec spacing on the Client tab of the mainmenu 13d2f5732 https://git.io/vMKeG (152017-01-16T18:56:04Z)
19:27 Taose            Incorrect map merge I assume?
19:27 fwhcat           ouch Taose
19:27 fwhcat           nope, they did it on purpose, but the positions weren't right.
19:27 Taose            >_<
19:28 fwhcat           and now i can't rollback it and i won't change the map because I did it 2 days ago
19:28 Taose            A lesson in why you should always have a dev server to practise on first >.<
19:28 fwhcat           yeah
19:28 Taose            How old is the map?
19:29 fwhcat           2 days
19:29 Taose            Reload the seed ;)
19:29 fwhcat           I imported some buildings from our previous
19:29 fwhcat           yeah ...
19:29 fwhcat           I guess i'll do that since we only have 2 days of players
19:30 Taose            I mean you could try to repair it by
19:30 Taose            Loading the seed in a new world with all the mods, grabbing the area and then dropping it back in.
19:30 IhrFussel        I would never give anyone WE or other potentially critical privs after a few days...
19:31 DuCake           Taose - I have not tried this but maybe check for max light on your target node, and also on neighbouring nodes? If you have anode that has max light, and 2 neighbour nodes that have max light, chances are, it's sunlight area for 4 nodes around .......?
19:31 Taose            TelepathicVampir, you listening to DuCake?
19:31 DuCake           sorry, I meant TelepathicVampir :-p
19:31 Taose            X)
19:31 Taose            That's a pretty good solution.
19:32 TelepathicVampir interesting idea
19:33 DuCake           The only thing is to know if sunlight is actually == max light... if so then woohoo else then boo
19:34 TelepathicVampir can i check if a node itself is a light emitter?
19:34 DuCake           yes you can by checking node groups - but check to see what level it emits too via light_source property
19:35 DuCake           probably best to directly check light level on node since you will need to do so anyway. if you have torch in daylight, it's still daylight around it, so you still need to check for daylight
19:36 TelepathicVampir so if a node has max light level an non of the immediate neighbours is a light source that should automatically mean direct sunlight right
19:37 TelepathicVampir assuming sun = max light level
19:40 Taose            Should
19:41 TelepathicVampir i'll run some tests
19:41 Taose            There may be some exceptions but it should be okay
19:42 TelepathicVampir i pretty much want a method that is sure to not have any exceptions
19:42 TelepathicVampir raycast to heaven^^
19:42 DuCake           ahhh programming... pure and error-less..... ;-p
19:46 Taose            Tele, it's not perfection you're after it's something close to.
19:46 Taose            The reason being is that simulations demand a hell of a lot of power and resources.
19:47 Taose            This is a game, not a simulation. If there's a few bugs...as long as they're not game breaking, they're usually fine.
19:48 Taose            So for example, someone could find themselves surrounded by mese lanterns, would these people be any less happy?
19:48 TelepathicVampir in my case it could give players very unfair advantages
19:48 TelepathicVampir but i know the compromise between perfection and near perfect simulation
19:48 Taose            Watch out for them, if it does turn out to give an unfair advantage, extend the range a little.
19:49 DuCake           TelepathicVampir: hat is the use case?
19:49 TelepathicVampir been making games for more than 20 years now
19:49 Taose            Only the sun has a universal range everything else has a limit.
19:49 Taose            (I don't think anything exists modding or otherwise that has a continuous range of 20 nodes max light...)
19:49 TelepathicVampir ducake, sorry i dont know what you mean
19:50 Taose            What are you trying to do Tele or rather...why?
19:50 Taose            (This why question is going to be a bit recursive ...)
19:50 TelepathicVampir i'm porting my mod http://www.minecraftforge.net/forum/index.php?topic=14878.0
19:51 TelepathicVampir that should explain it
19:53 Taose            I think you'll be okay with checking the range.
19:54 TelepathicVampir looks like it. thanks for your advice
19:55 Taose            Again if it turns out it's being easily abused or hacked around, instead of 2 nodes, check 4 and so on until they aren't abusing it anymore.
19:57 DuCake_afk       nope. tldr. seems like you want to calculate heatstroke?
20:00 crazyR           is anyone using the development branch of the streets mod: streets 2.0??
20:00 TelepathicVampir heatstrokes too, but the main reason is that there are a lot of negative effects on frustration and only a few positive. exposure to sunlight is an importatn one
20:00 DuCake           crazyR: not me. did you find a bug?
20:01 crazyR           nope just trying to decide wether its stable enought to use...
20:01 DuCake           "frustration" == a game concept or something you are experiencing..........?
20:01 DuCake           crazyR: only one way to find out without damaging a server.... use ti, an play for a while :-p
20:02 DuCake           "are you goofing around?" -- "nope, just testing a codebase!"
20:03 crazyR           yeah i know DuCake was trying to avoid that... i have an army of players wanting me to bring ethicrush back so was hoping someone would have some insight to avoid me having to waste time... lol
20:03 DuCake           lol
20:03 TelepathicVampir a game concept, it makes diet, exposure to sun/weather, sleeping, working, relaxing play a major role
20:04 DuCake           I have armies (tens!) of players wanting me to do this that an t'other sorts of new mods for the server....................
20:05 crazyR           lol yeah.. i know the feeling.. in all fairness i did say i would bring it back months ago. but have struggled to find time around work to finish it... ethicrush has so many custom mods... i kinda wish i didnt want to be so diffrent :P
20:06 DuCake           TelepathicVampir: what you could do for excess light is, do a global_step to check for light every say 2 sec, then if it is always high, do a "heat exposure". This means if you are *directly* next to a torch or meselamp for extended time, you get the heat debuff, and also in sunlight. You can reduce its effect by checking for some/lots of dirt-with_grass or water ......?
20:06 DuCake           crazyR: github link?
20:06 DuCake           (no idea what ethicrush is.....)
20:07 crazyR           Its a server that used to be really popular. it was inspired by landrush just before landrush went downhill..
20:08 DuCake           crazyR: you should probably look at re-coding the custom mods such that they can follow the updates of their "upstream" mods. so for future portability
20:08 DuCake           ah right landrush
20:09 DuCake           i am new (1 year) to MT so I know it only as a legend :-p
20:10 crazyR           yeah Landrush was once one of the best servers available.. its a shame it died out. Im hoping BrandonR_away's return will liven it up again.
20:11 TelepathicVampir ducake: i'll have to play around a little but i think that will make it work
20:13 crazyR           ^ incase anyone else was wondering... to awsner my own question streets 2.0 mod is no where near stable yet. :)
20:14 DuCake           crazyR: does anyone have the server's data?
20:15 crazyR           what for?
20:16 DuCake_afk       crazyR: to re-host :-p
20:17 crazyR           lol i have it. its already hosted. just not publicly available yet.. if i get work hard on my evenings il have it done before the end of the month
20:18 crazyR           http://ethicrush.org.uk/ <-- il be updating the forums here of you want to keep updated on progress
20:20 DuCake           is the port open? (can't connect now but will bookmark :-p)
20:20 crazyR           ^ website no server address :/
20:22 DuCake           crazyR: OK. I am in UK so we are time coordinated :-p Message me in forums, name is "taikedz" if you need extra hands :-p
22:50 Sokomine         rubenwardy: i don't know exactly what you mean by layout tweak. i do use another font than you used in the screenshot. it's a much larger one as well
22:54 red-001          is it bad that I know something fixes a bug but I have no idea why?
22:57 Taose            Depends on what it is.
22:57 Taose            If it's something to do with low level code and you're using high level code to get around it, then no.
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