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| 00:19 |
agaran |
new features for bot? |
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sfan5 |
agaran: those features aren't new |
| 00:25 |
sfan5 |
they're been there for 2 or 3 years |
| 00:26 |
agaran |
ah:) I havent noticed them before |
| 00:28 |
IhrFussel |
Guys, Lua's math.random() takes negative number too right? Cause I didn't find any examples of negative values |
| 00:30 |
IhrFussel |
I need those for my /random command...it tp a player to any random position (fun command) |
| 00:30 |
cnelsonsic |
Is there any way to get where on a node or entity a player punched? I want to add headshots to one zombie mod or another. :) |
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sfan5 |
IhrFussel: i don't think it does |
| 00:34 |
sfan5 |
if you want random numbers from -1000 to 1000 use math.random()*2000 - 1000 |
| 00:34 |
IhrFussel |
sfan5, it says an integer..AFAIK -1 is an INT too |
| 00:39 |
IhrFussel |
I use it like this math.random(-6000,6000) ...well I'll see if it works |
| 00:42 |
IhrFussel |
sfan5, Which Lua version is Minetest using? I'm running 5.2 locally and it does work "print(math.random(-10,10))" gave me -3 |
| 00:43 |
agaran |
I would not rely on random returning negative numbers |
| 00:43 |
agaran |
doubling range, then substracting is safer |
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IhrFussel |
agaran, but it does...I ran it now for a few minutes and it always gave any number between -10 and 10 |
| 01:15 |
agaran |
sure, I am just thinking if it is planned or error behavior.. and then what if one fixes error.. |
| 01:16 |
agaran |
meh too late |
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| 03:24 |
freelikegnu |
!rainbow icamefromthebuttofaunicooooooorn! |
| 03:24 |
MinetestBot |
4icam7efro8mthe3buttofau6nicooooo4oorn7! |
| 03:34 |
KaadmY |
"an unicorn" is incorrect english, i think you mean "a unicorn" |
| 03:48 |
mystik |
KaadmY: confirmed: http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/252217/why-is-it-a-unicorn :) |
| 03:48 |
* mystik |
had to look it up, i was second guessing myself too :) |
| 03:49 |
KaadmY |
arch english :? |
| 03:49 |
sofar |
an umbrella |
| 03:49 |
sofar |
u uniform |
| 03:49 |
sofar |
Juuuniform |
| 03:50 |
sofar |
uuumbrella |
| 03:50 |
sofar |
Junicorn |
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sofar |
silent J |
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| 05:30 |
randomminer |
Is anyone here using the aliveai mod? |
| 05:31 |
Taose |
Nope |
| 05:31 |
Taose |
(not yet anyway) |
| 05:31 |
Taose |
Does the server still rely on CPU computing? |
| 05:32 |
randomminer |
damn, hoping someone could tell me how to get the thing operational XD |
| 05:32 |
Taose |
... have you tried uninstalling it, waiting 30secs and then reinstalling ;P |
| 05:33 |
* randomminer |
reboots computer |
| 05:33 |
randomminer |
:P |
| 05:33 |
Taose |
XD |
| 05:33 |
randomminer |
oh this massive cable that says "DO NOT UNPLUG" should that be plugged in? |
| 05:33 |
Taose |
You...have one of those? |
| 05:34 |
Taose |
>.> how about |
| 05:34 |
Taose |
we leave that building |
| 05:34 |
Taose |
go home |
| 05:34 |
Taose |
boot up a smaller computer |
| 05:34 |
Taose |
>.> |
| 05:34 |
randomminer |
haha |
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Taose |
Okay, I have the viewing range, is there anyway to increase how much land generates in the client? I'd kinda like to see further... |
| 06:19 |
Taose |
Normally it's draw distance but can't figure out how to set it |
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MinetestBot |
[git] lhofhansl -> minetest/minetest: Get neighbor from same map block if possible in ABMHandler (#4998) b074683 https://git.io/vMCHs (2017-01-08T07:42:25Z) |
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paramat |
Taose max_block_send_distance = 10 (10 = 160 nodes is default) in .conf |
| 07:51 |
paramat |
'block' = 16 nodes |
| 07:53 |
paramat |
or set it in advanced settings menu |
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| 09:40 |
cheapie |
Cam timer in Minetest: https://cheapiesystems.com/media/images/screenshot_20170108_033932.png |
| 09:41 |
cheapie |
Pistons to push nodes around in a circle, and node detectors as "switches", activated by the "cams" (black clay). |
| 09:42 |
cheapie |
The red stripe represents the "reference point" (where it stops/starts). The nearest switch is used for that, and the other 7 can carry arbitrary data. There are a total of 25 positions on the "drum". |
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| 09:56 |
Taose |
If anyone's in the need of "mod" ideas... we could really use a safety rope for cave diving >.> |
| 09:56 |
Taose |
(fell into a deep cave again) |
| 09:56 |
An0n3m0us |
lol |
| 09:56 |
Taose |
(I drowned in a water elevator too...but that's another story) |
| 09:56 |
An0n3m0us |
heh |
| 10:05 |
Taose |
VanessaE: Regarding your HD Texture pack, do you have a list of supported mods (i.e mods that have been textured for) because some mods attempt to install new textures and it meshes really badly. |
| 10:05 |
Taose |
...found it |
| 10:07 |
Taose |
Maybe not. Have those supported mods been textured for or is it just a case of the mods combined with the texture pack don't result in a crash? |
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| 10:08 |
VanessaE |
ls |cut -f 1 -d "_" |sort |uniq |
| 10:08 |
VanessaE |
:) |
| 10:08 |
VanessaE |
that'll get you close :P |
| 10:09 |
Taose |
>.> |
| 10:09 |
Taose |
If that results in rm -rf */*... |
| 10:09 |
An0n3m0us |
lol |
| 10:09 |
VanessaE |
it won't. |
| 10:10 |
VanessaE |
chickenshit ;) |
| 10:10 |
Taose |
X) |
| 10:10 |
Taose |
Minetest, it's making me cautious... |
| 10:12 |
Taose |
Oh I see, thanks ^-^ |
| 10:31 |
juhdanad |
Are there items where inventory_image and wield_image differ? |
| 10:34 |
agaran |
VanessaE ;) |
| 10:34 |
agaran |
juhdanad: I think some mesecon insulated wires differ |
| 10:34 |
juhdanad |
Thank you! |
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| 10:44 |
w_laenger |
hi |
| 10:46 |
Taose |
How can I "place" weapons |
| 10:46 |
Taose |
or tools for that matter |
| 10:47 |
VanessaE |
you have to drop them. |
| 10:47 |
VanessaE |
(q) |
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| 10:48 |
Taose |
But that just drops them doesn't it? |
| 10:48 |
juhdanad |
I think Taose meant nodes with meshes. |
| 10:49 |
Taose |
^ has no clue >.< |
| 10:49 |
VanessaE |
Taose: you can't "place" a tool. you have to just drop it. |
| 10:50 |
juhdanad |
If you create a node (a node is a thing that you can place in the world), it can display a mesh for you. |
| 10:50 |
Taose |
T_T |
| 10:50 |
w_laenger |
I'm thinking about adding a key combination to ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml which executes xdotool type "t/home"; xdotool key Return |
| 10:50 |
VanessaE |
(it used to be that you could place them like you do a node, but that was phased out years ago) |
| 10:50 |
Taose |
>.> |
| 10:50 |
juhdanad |
But I don't think there is a built-in mechanism for that. |
| 10:50 |
Taose |
someone had a bright idea... |
| 10:50 |
Taose |
Now I need to take this newly created wooden sword, track them down... |
| 10:51 |
Taose |
and beat them over the head with it -.- |
| 10:51 |
w_laenger |
the mechanism still exists https://github.com/HybridDog/diamonds/blob/master/init.lua#L58 |
| 10:53 |
w_laenger |
that mechanism was enabled for each item by default a long time ago |
| 10:56 |
juhdanad |
w_laenger: this doesn't work for me. |
| 10:57 |
w_laenger |
maybe that should be on_place instead of on_place_on_ground |
| 10:59 |
juhdanad |
Still doesn't work. |
| 10:59 |
w_laenger |
then idk |
| 11:00 |
w_laenger |
I've got a question about the lua api |
| 11:00 |
w_laenger |
When somebody writes sth in chat, each function passed by register_on_chatmessage is executed |
| 11:01 |
w_laenger |
Why is it performed in c++ instead of lua? |
| 11:03 |
agaran |
to permit lua side modifiers on chat content aka commands? |
| 11:03 |
w_laenger |
Minetest core takes each function from the registered table and executes them. |
| 11:04 |
w_laenger |
Instead you could execute the functions in lua, e.g. in a function called perform_reg. |
| 11:05 |
w_laenger |
Then the core would need to execute only one function. |
| 11:05 |
w_laenger |
agaran, the lua side modifiers would still work |
| 11:06 |
w_laenger |
As far as I know, passing things from lua to c++ is expensive. |
| 11:06 |
agaran |
but then you would need prepare wrapper on lua side that permits registering, moving whole registration to lua, and just calling final outside code from C++ |
| 11:07 |
w_laenger |
Yes, would the wrapper work faster? |
| 11:07 |
agaran |
that can be tested easilly.. |
| 11:07 |
agaran |
craft custom game with mods, replacing all calls to register on chat message by your own wrapper.. where its inside is only place calling true register once.. |
| 11:08 |
agaran |
so you effectivelly do one call from c++ side to it, then all will be done within lua |
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w_laenger |
It can be tested by adding lots of functions and measuring time. |
| 11:10 |
w_laenger |
But maybe it behaves completely different if there are 10 or 10000 functions |
| 11:10 |
agaran |
well or just predefined amounts registered directly, then same using wrapper replacement |
| 11:11 |
agaran |
hmm you could make it toggleable.. whatever wrapper.register calls true register directly or own.. |
| 11:11 |
agaran |
then repeat few times for different number of load-calls registered.. |
| 11:11 |
agaran |
that even could be turned into automated test.. |
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w_laenger |
ok |
| 11:14 |
agaran |
sorry, QA-mode toggled in.. |
| 11:18 |
MinetestBot |
[git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Move ServerEnvironment to dedicated cpp/header files 98e36d7 https://git.io/vMCbP (2017-01-08T11:16:06Z) |
| 11:18 |
MinetestBot |
[git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Move ClientEnvironment to dedicated cpp/header files eb2c19b https://git.io/vMCbX (2017-01-08T11:16:06Z) |
| 11:22 |
w_laenger |
agaran, I tested it |
| 11:23 |
w_laenger |
10000 functions: direct: 4.763 s; wrapped: 0.106 s |
| 11:24 |
w_laenger |
100000 functions: direct: 38235 ms; wrap: 649 ms |
| 11:25 |
agaran |
so quite huge gain.. |
| 11:25 |
w_laenger |
100 functions: direct: 107 ms; wrap: 54 ms |
| 11:26 |
agaran |
I think realistic is 30-50 calls hooked on messages not more, but maybe I am wrong. |
| 11:27 |
w_laenger |
I tried it with 10 functions without success |
| 11:28 |
w_laenger |
direct: 6 ms, wrapped: 3 ms |
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w_laenger |
It can't be measured |
| 11:28 |
agaran |
too small amount.. |
| 11:29 |
agaran |
Hmm, how about measuring few points more between 100 and 100k functions to see relation and fit some 3rd order at most curve to it? |
| 11:29 |
w_laenger |
oops, sorry, I mean µs, not ms |
| 11:30 |
w_laenger |
I didn't wait 38 seconds for that… |
| 11:30 |
Taose |
lmfao |
| 11:30 |
agaran |
maybe it will show some nice and fitting corelation with like quadric or such |
| 11:30 |
Taose |
Quadric? |
| 11:31 |
agaran |
I mean some low order polynomial.. |
| 11:34 |
w_laenger |
there's the code: https://gist.github.com/HybridDog/aeba934739beb29dc3b41892a55ed283 |
| 11:35 |
w_laenger |
I think the registered should be extricated from cpp |
| 11:35 |
agaran |
nice way to fetch how much just calls took :) |
| 11:36 |
w_laenger |
if it takes < .001 seconds, it doesn't matter |
| 11:36 |
agaran |
yup |
| 11:37 |
w_laenger |
but if someone decides for any reason to e.g. excute 100000 times register_on_generated, the wrapped function works a lot faster |
| 11:42 |
w_laenger |
agaran, how do you think about the chat prediction in minetest? |
| 11:43 |
w_laenger |
If you write something and leave |
| 11:44 |
w_laenger |
If you write something before leaving and the server is lagging, to you it looks like the message arrived but it's actually just the prediction |
| 11:44 |
agaran |
I think I would kill it with fire.. |
| 11:44 |
agaran |
rather using message rtt client/server/client to raport how bad is RTT actually.. but thats /me |
| 11:44 |
w_laenger |
And it disallows coloured chat |
| 11:46 |
agaran |
well last is not most problematic, but making false impression that message got thru, and it did not.. is worse |
| 11:47 |
w_laenger |
You need to join with a second player to watch… |
| 11:48 |
agaran |
true.. |
| 11:49 |
w_laenger |
It also obfuscates the source code |
| 11:49 |
w_laenger |
There's something which avoids sending the message to the author |
| 11:50 |
agaran |
yup, and that could be killed with fire too.. simplifying code and making actual chat be more predictable |
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w_laenger |
Since ctrl+v works in minetest and https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/commit/c5f11d74d4480e94456f702bb83f9d1a2fe191c4, you can put the code into a book and furnace it |
| 11:55 |
agaran |
lol |
| 11:56 |
agaran |
for me ctrl-c/ctrl-v under linux is tricky in minetest |
| 11:56 |
agaran |
feels like it uses wrong clipboard, and only one way.. so normal cut/paste with mouse in xterm's and X-apps does not work with mt.. |
| 11:57 |
w_laenger |
I somehow need to press ctrl+v twice to insert the clipboard |
| 11:58 |
agaran |
I normally use only mouse selection/paste.. and that obviously is totally not working with MT.. |
| 11:58 |
w_laenger |
you could run $ xsel -b -o | xsel |
| 11:59 |
w_laenger |
and $ xsel -o | xsel -b |
| 11:59 |
agaran |
hmm I'll try it |
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* rdococ |
would like a plague inc subgame |
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IhrFussel |
Best way to write a chat command with autocomplete function? You may say now "Minetest features tab-completion" but many admins/moderators play on phone and need it there too...so maybe minetest.get_connected_players() and then somehow check if the param matches one of them? |
| 12:57 |
IhrFussel |
My idea is a teleport command that doesnt require the full playername... Like /modtp lisa should be enough to match lisa2761535 for example |
| 13:02 |
agaran |
Hi IhrFussel |
| 13:03 |
IhrFussel |
agaran, hi there! I read what you said in the irc log and will watch the behavior of the command but so far it works flawlessly |
| 13:05 |
agaran |
good, I just wanted to warn.. |
| 13:07 |
Taose |
IhrFussel, but what if have Lisa2344 and Lisa2? |
| 13:07 |
IhrFussel |
Taose, then it will cancel the command and tell "too many matches, try again" |
| 13:08 |
* Taose |
is satisfied |
| 13:08 |
IhrFussel |
But its pretty rare that 2 players with very similar names connect at the same time |
| 13:10 |
IhrFussel |
So im thinking the best way is a counter var that is 0 and each time a playername matches the pattern it adds 1...and only if its 1 at the end of the online list loop the player will tp otherwise error |
| 13:11 |
rdococ |
/agreewith Ihr |
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IhrFussel |
Can i tell Lua to ignore case-sensitivity? "lisa" should match Lisa too or lisA |
| 13:13 |
rdococ |
string.lower() |
| 13:14 |
rdococ |
eg: string.lower("LIsA") == "lisa" |
| 13:14 |
IhrFussel |
Alright thanks :) |
| 13:14 |
rdococ |
apply it to both the parameter the player input and the usernames you check it against |
| 13:16 |
agaran |
i wish that registering NiCkName, would block all other variants that end in same lowercase string.. |
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Taose |
Anyone want to recommend a hunger mod? |
| 13:43 |
Taose |
The only one I've found so far puts a glaring cross in the middle of my screen |
| 13:43 |
Taose |
scratch that... |
| 13:43 |
Taose |
makes it more obvious |
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rdococ |
make your own :p |
| 13:49 |
Taose |
._. |
| 13:50 |
Taose |
That's why I'm learning python |
| 13:50 |
agaran |
Taose, I am afraid you need to check few to find out which one you like |
| 13:50 |
Taose |
(I know, it's gonna be a long journey) |
| 13:50 |
agaran |
well for MT better learn lua;) |
| 13:50 |
Taose |
Hence the recommendations. |
| 13:50 |
IhrFussel |
Taose, i use "hunger" on my server and never noticed such a cross...either it happens only on pc or you mean another |
| 13:50 |
Taose |
There's a cross the default hud |
| 13:51 |
Taose |
The particular hunger mod that I use attempts to improve on the default interface |
| 13:51 |
Taose |
it also adds in the hunger mod |
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IhrFussel |
Taose, i installed "hud" mod too |
| 13:52 |
Taose |
Then download it straight, only minetest game...you'll see the cross |
| 13:52 |
IhrFussel |
Yes but if you use hud+hunger the cross will be gone |
| 13:53 |
Taose |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6342 |
| 13:53 |
Taose |
No it won't |
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IhrFussel |
Then its only a problem on PC i guess, on phone i dont see it...probably for better pointing with the mouse |
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Taose |
gotta like how leaves drop saplings all on their own |
| 15:01 |
Taose |
so much time saved |
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agaran |
heh, if you cut all trunks, then leaves decay, some of them turn into sapling as well |
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Taose |
That's what I was referring to |
| 15:02 |
IhrFussel |
Am I stupid now?! If I define a local variable inside an if statement...will it only be accessible inside that condition? o.o |
| 15:03 |
Taose |
Unlikely |
| 15:03 |
Taose |
With C, as long as it's within braces, sure |
| 15:03 |
Taose |
but if statements don't need braces.. |
| 15:04 |
IhrFussel |
No I'm talking about Lua...I'll post my code one sec |
| 15:05 |
Taose |
Does lua have a "private" identifier? |
| 15:05 |
Taose |
or something equivalent? |
| 15:06 |
Taose |
Often if you want to make doubly sure then you use something like that |
| 15:06 |
IhrFussel |
It says mpl is nil even though tpc seems to be 1 http://pastebin.com/Xjx7Zcdk |
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Taose |
Indentation? |
| 15:18 |
Taose |
Have you confirmed tpc is 1? |
| 15:19 |
Taose |
What's the ~=? |
| 15:21 |
Calinou |
"not equals" |
| 15:21 |
Calinou |
almost all other languages use !=, yet Lua uses ~= |
| 15:21 |
Taose |
XD |
| 15:22 |
Taose |
Then it looks like string.lower(pn) isn't working |
| 15:22 |
Taose |
Check the name is actually being assigned. |
| 15:22 |
Taose |
It's the only way I could see that mpl would be nil yet tpc == 1. |
| 15:24 |
Taose |
http://pastebin.com/W7eSgydJ Just in case anyone wanted an indented/syntax highlighted version. |
| 15:24 |
Taose |
and my god this reminds me of java so much -_- |
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IhrFussel |
Taose, I just added a if tpc == 1 then core.chat_send_player(name,"tpc is 1") end and yes it sends it |
| 15:25 |
Taose |
So we *are* getting through that for loop. |
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IhrFussel |
Maybe I need to define mpl inside the loop as local not outside? |
| 15:27 |
Taose |
No |
| 15:27 |
Taose |
You're using it elsewhere. |
| 15:28 |
Taose |
The bug is between lines 5 and 9. |
| 15:29 |
Taose |
It's not get_connected players, because it's only looping through once. |
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Taose |
Might want to check what pn is after it is assigned (before lowering its case) |
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Taose |
I assume that the ":" in this case is like a read-in operator of some kind and that opl is an object. |
| 15:33 |
Taose |
(well, call to a class function I mean) |
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IhrFussel |
Taose, it works here (same loop for kicking players) http://pastebin.com/QMPKnsrn |
| 15:36 |
Taose |
What did testing pn give you? |
| 15:36 |
Taose |
(in your code) |
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IhrFussel |
pn can't be nil or else mpl would complain...tokick takes the value of mpl and core.kick_player uses tokick |
| 15:37 |
Taose |
Apparently it is nil. |
| 15:38 |
Taose |
Why would mpl complain? |
| 15:38 |
Taose |
It already has nil. Assigning it nil isn't going to make a difference. |
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IhrFussel |
Taose, oh I was talking about the 2nd code snippet now which works (I typed "i" as param and it gave me "too many matches" then "ihr" and it kicked me) |
| 15:39 |
Taose |
(Anyone with more lua experience than I, please, chip in -_-) |
| 15:39 |
Taose |
Yep, but that's a different chunk of code. |
| 15:40 |
Taose |
What about the first one? |
| 15:43 |
IhrFussel |
Taose, if it helps here is the whole part of the default teleport command which I modified: http://pastebin.com/kTmSWzmc |
| 15:44 |
Taose |
>.> |
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* Taose |
wonders if IhrFussel knows that their Lua exp is nil |
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* rdococ |
just encountered his first silver desert |
| 15:50 |
Taose |
o.o |
| 15:52 |
rdococ |
it's like a flat plane made of silver sand |
| 15:52 |
rdococ |
silver sand is a recent addition to the _game |
| 15:52 |
emunand |
it's like that white desert |
| 15:52 |
Taose |
ah |
| 15:54 |
IhrFussel |
Taose, WHAT...I just replaced mpl with target_name and it works |
| 15:54 |
Taose |
keke |
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rdococ |
oh my god I must have found a dessert |
| 16:03 |
rdococ |
that's what it is |
| 16:03 |
Taose |
? |
| 16:03 |
rdococ |
the white desert |
| 16:03 |
rdococ |
it's actually an ice cream dessert :p |
| 16:03 |
rdococ |
jk |
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Rick5 |
hi to all |
| 16:40 |
Rick5 |
hi, I installed ubuntu with minetest 0.4.14 I downloaded the package from synaptic mobf (for animals) but the game can not find the file init.lua anyone can help me? |
| 16:41 |
sfan5 |
download mods from the forum instead |
| 16:41 |
Rick5 |
ok |
| 16:42 |
Rick5 |
thanks |
| 16:42 |
Taose |
Downloading minetest from the site is also recommended. |
| 16:42 |
Taose |
(ubuntu user here) |
| 16:42 |
Taose |
I don't think the respository releases are sanctioned. |
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Calinou |
Taose: generally, ISVs don't support software found in distribution packages, with rare exceptions |
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Calinou |
(they're often out of date) |
| 16:52 |
Calinou |
but for example, Blender has a no-support policy for those :P |
| 16:53 |
Taose |
Well |
| 16:53 |
Taose |
With ubuntu it's pretty easy |
| 16:53 |
Taose |
most of it comes not customized |
| 16:53 |
Taose |
it's just out of date |
| 16:54 |
Taose |
in which case the standard only solution you can give is to "update" |
| 16:54 |
Taose |
and that's pretty reasonable |
| 16:54 |
Taose |
I especially like that Minetest appears to be self contained |
| 16:55 |
Calinou |
Minetest isn't self-contained by default on Linux :P |
| 16:55 |
Taose |
? |
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Taose |
I didn't have to install anything >.> |
| 16:55 |
Taose |
I just run the shell and away it goes |
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est31 |
by running the shell you install something |
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polypodiales |
what do you mean by self-contained |
| 16:56 |
est31 |
its just that on linux, installing stuff is super easy |
| 16:56 |
est31 |
unlike on windows |
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Taose |
Not really est31...unless I'm installing minetest every time |
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Calinou |
we don't provide official standlone Linux binaries (yet?) |
| 16:57 |
Calinou |
we link to either source code, or distribution packages |
| 16:57 |
est31 |
Taose: what do you run in your shell? |
| 16:57 |
est31 |
yeah, we should provide official snap/flatpak images |
| 16:58 |
Taose |
I mean, it doesn't go off installing into odd directories, requiring this that and the other. Aside I think from data (stored in my home directory I think so easily deletable). It generally runs without me needing to make any changes or it making any changes to my system. |
| 16:58 |
Taose |
Unlike with so many games out there. |
| 16:58 |
Taose |
I mean... |
| 16:58 |
Taose |
try removing Command and Conquer without the uninstall button. |
| 16:58 |
Taose |
>_> |
| 16:58 |
polypodiales |
well it has dependencies, like the engine and irrlicht |
| 16:59 |
Taose |
Which come with it. |
| 16:59 |
polypodiales |
no they don't, your package manager installs them seperately but automatically |
| 16:59 |
est31 |
also maybe official appimage would make sense too |
| 16:59 |
Taose |
I didn't use a package manager. |
| 16:59 |
Taose |
>_> |
| 16:59 |
polypodiales |
>_> >_> >_> >_> |
| 16:59 |
est31 |
Taose: so, what did you actually run to get minetest |
| 16:59 |
Taose |
and nothing can use apt unless I give my password. |
| 17:00 |
est31 |
did you compile it from source |
| 17:00 |
Taose |
yep. |
| 17:00 |
Taose |
Really damn easy too. |
| 17:00 |
polypodiales |
then you downloaded those things too |
| 17:00 |
est31 |
yup |
| 17:00 |
est31 |
however, if you compiled it from source, you still had to get the dependencies |
| 17:00 |
Taose |
As I said, self contained. |
| 17:00 |
redblade |
hi |
| 17:00 |
est31 |
and on linux this works via apt get |
| 17:00 |
Taose |
I did no apt get |
| 17:01 |
redblade |
who is tenplus1 on github |
| 17:01 |
Taose |
I did, make. Build. Run. |
| 17:01 |
polypodiales |
the stuff you compiled does depend on other things which you installed using your package manager though |
| 17:01 |
polypodiales |
so it's not self contained |
| 17:02 |
redblade |
i'd rather not publish a bug report in this case, would rather talk on irc |
| 17:02 |
redblade |
does tenplus1 come here, and under what nick? |
| 17:03 |
Calinou |
redblade: he is currently away |
| 17:03 |
Calinou |
(and not connected on IRC) |
| 17:03 |
redblade |
ok |
| 17:03 |
redblade |
what is his nickname though |
| 17:04 |
Calinou |
tenplus1 |
| 17:04 |
redblade |
ok thank you |
| 17:04 |
Taose |
I already had all of those :/. But it's close enough to being self contained and removable at the drop of a hat. |
| 17:04 |
Taose |
for me. |
| 17:04 |
redblade |
!seen tenplus1 |
| 17:04 |
MinetestBot |
redblade: tenplus1 was last seen at 2014-12-18 19:59:42 UTC on #minetest |
| 17:04 |
Taose |
2014 |
| 17:04 |
Taose |
Dead. |
| 17:05 |
Calinou |
he is in another channel, redblade |
| 17:05 |
redblade |
well i'm getting a warning from protector redo and i dont know what it means |
| 17:05 |
Calinou |
(too many players bugging him here I guess) |
| 17:05 |
redblade |
oh ok |
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redblade |
should i join minetest-dev? |
| 17:05 |
Calinou |
no, not that one |
| 17:06 |
Calinou |
see PM |
| 17:07 |
Taose |
I am not looking forward to adding an extension... |
| 17:07 |
polypodiales |
extension for what |
| 17:08 |
Taose |
My "home" |
| 17:08 |
Taose |
It takes ages to redo the roof... |
| 17:08 |
Taose |
or rooves |
| 17:09 |
Taose |
and at some point I'm going to need a proper kitchen |
| 17:10 |
Taose |
to cook all my stone... |
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| 17:32 |
Taose |
goddamn it. |
| 17:32 |
Taose |
All the hunger mods are simply inferior forks of the one I don't want XD |
| 17:32 |
agaran |
write own :) good one? |
| 17:33 |
* Taose |
has lua skills that would make any visual basic'er blush. |
| 17:34 |
agaran |
:-) |
| 17:34 |
agaran |
vb was fun around vb2.0 and early windows.. |
| 17:35 |
Taose |
But in all seriousness, I would have no clue where to start. |
| 17:35 |
agaran |
read current code of some -simple- mod |
| 17:35 |
agaran |
try change something, learn |
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Taose |
... |
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Taose |
...well that turned out to be less of a problem than I thought it was going to be |
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MinetestBot |
[git] lhofhansl -> minetest/minetest: Minor: Fix indentation in serverenvironment.cpp 1fee649 https://git.io/vMWOA (2017-01-08T18:22:33Z) |
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red-001 |
well start out with editing a simple mod? |
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kaeza |
greetings |
| 18:55 |
agaran |
greetings |
| 18:55 |
polypodiales |
greetings |
| 18:56 |
red-001 |
greetings |
| 18:57 |
An0n3m0us |
erm, greetings? |
| 18:57 |
red-001 |
:( you messed up the layout |
| 18:57 |
An0n3m0us |
sory |
| 18:58 |
red-001 |
most mt channels are at least 50% greetings |
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kaeza |
it used to be more active :( |
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kaeza |
around 2012-2013 |
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red-001 |
huh so the game became more and more popular and the IRC less and less active? |
| 19:01 |
kaeza |
cool kids don't use IRC |
| 19:01 |
kaeza |
it's all FB or Snapchat or whatever's going these days |
| 19:01 |
polypodiales |
did the game really become more poplure? |
| 19:02 |
kaeza |
man, I sound like my grandpa :/ |
| 19:02 |
polypodiales |
kaeza: https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/team_chat.png |
| 19:02 |
kaeza |
polypodiales, hah |
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* Taose |
laughs at the xkcd |
| 19:04 |
Taose |
Just about right. |
| 19:05 |
Taose |
irc is pretty good at what it does. |
| 19:05 |
red-001 |
nice xkcd |
| 19:05 |
red-001 |
never saw that one before |
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red-001 |
ohh it's a new one |
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Calinou |
Discord is the cool one now, kaeza |
| 19:13 |
agaran |
kaeza: ;) |
| 19:13 |
red-001 |
well there is a minetest discord channel |
| 19:13 |
red-001 |
it's just even more dead then IRC |
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juhdanad |
Did you know that there is built-in support in Minetest to create your own aquarium mod? |
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red-001 |
huh? |
| 19:14 |
red-001 |
no |
| 19:15 |
juhdanad |
If you use the glasslike framed drawtype, then the node's param2 will be the water level. |
| 19:15 |
silwol |
I am using matrix/riot for everything now, including participation in IRC cannels. |
| 19:16 |
juhdanad |
And the first special texture will be the water's texture. |
| 19:16 |
red-001 |
I had no idea |
| 19:16 |
juhdanad |
I just found this while experimenting. |
| 19:16 |
red-001 |
why did something so specific get added? |
| 19:16 |
juhdanad |
I don't know. |
| 19:17 |
Pie-jacker875 |
discord for minetest? why would you use a proprietary chatting service for a free game? |
| 19:17 |
red-001 |
and they complain about having minetest.is_yes return true if passed "on" |
| 19:17 |
red-001 |
why not? |
| 19:18 |
swift110 |
hey all |
| 19:18 |
red-001 |
hi swift |
| 19:18 |
Taose |
Well it *is* still free Pie |
| 19:18 |
swift110 |
maybe it would be cool to have a telegram group for Minetest |
| 19:18 |
swift110 |
how are you red-001 |
| 19:18 |
red-001 |
I'm good |
| 19:18 |
Taose |
Still, there are other "free open source" games out there, that call themselves, open source and then force everyone to use IntelliJ (proprietary java ide) |
| 19:19 |
swift110 |
good red-001 what ya up to |
| 19:19 |
red-001 |
not much really |
| 19:19 |
red-001 |
I wrote another basic mod for minetest through |
| 19:19 |
juhdanad |
red-001: The plasma lamp in VanessaE's homedecor mod uses this feature. |
| 19:19 |
Calinou |
Taose: you can use Vim to hack on Terasology, I'm quite sure |
| 19:20 |
swift110 |
red-001, that's awesome |
| 19:20 |
swift110 |
What is being done to teach more people about Minetest? |
| 19:20 |
Taose |
Oh you can, but unless you know what you're doing, you're in for a world of pain. |
| 19:20 |
red-001 |
nothing? |
| 19:20 |
Taose |
^ seconds |
| 19:21 |
Taose |
Still its our job to promote MineTest. |
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Calinou |
Taose: well this is Java |
| 19:22 |
red-001 |
minetest doesn't really have an thing in which it is obvious that it is better then minecraft apart from being free |
| 19:22 |
swift110 |
yes Taose |
| 19:22 |
red-001 |
any* |
| 19:22 |
red-001 |
I mean open source is cool and all |
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Pie-jacker875 |
well for me it not being microsoft is that thing |
| 19:23 |
red-001 |
but most people don't really care about that |
| 19:23 |
mystik |
Taose: in my limited free time, i'm thinking of cooking up a MT hosting system; that heavily promotes pulling mods from github, in order to promote the open source nature of it |
| 19:23 |
swift110 |
red-001, but it doesn't have to be that way forever. But it is limited by the amount of time the relatively few people have to work on it outside of the rest of their lives |
| 19:23 |
Taose |
No Calinou, this is C++/Lua, it's worse :) |
| 19:23 |
Pie-jacker875 |
since Mojang was bought I wouldn't touch minecraft with a 10 foot pole |
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Taose |
(pls don't kill me, I don't mean it) |
| 19:23 |
swift110 |
Pie-jacker875, why do you feel that way? |
| 19:23 |
red-001 |
huh |
| 19:24 |
Pie-jacker875 |
Microsoft is gross |
| 19:24 |
red-001 |
minetest would be way better if it had some sort of package managment for mods |
| 19:24 |
red-001 |
and a mod store |
| 19:24 |
swift110 |
I talk about minetest in my channels |
| 19:24 |
mystik |
red-001: yes |
| 19:24 |
Taose |
mystik: sounds good? |
| 19:24 |
swift110 |
I would also play it more if I could understand it better as well |
| 19:25 |
red-001 |
imagine if you could just chose a mod and package management would be done in the background |
| 19:25 |
Taose |
The problem with a "Package manager" is that...the game itself isn't v1 yet... |
| 19:25 |
mystik |
Taose: the theory is: make it easy to spin up a configuration/game w/ configuration, allow folks to pull the source and tweak the sources, connect the subgames to github files |
| 19:26 |
red-001 |
I think minetest is always going to be >1.0.0 |
| 19:26 |
mystik |
it's a bit ....... vapor now. |
| 19:26 |
Taose |
They do something similar over at Miraheze |
| 19:26 |
mystik |
the map i'm hosting for xanadu is the *start* of it; but there's lots to do. |
| 19:27 |
swift110 |
red-001, why is that? |
| 19:27 |
octacian |
Is it possible to store the formspec in metadata yet still trigger actions (including updating it) on_rightclick? |
| 19:27 |
red-001 |
but that means that a large part of git will have to be integrated? |
| 19:27 |
Taose |
No road map Swift. |
| 19:27 |
swift110 |
Taose, really? I didn't now that |
| 19:27 |
red-001 |
well it seems to happen with a lot of open source projects |
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Taose |
Until someone decides what V1 looks like, there's no way to get to it. |
| 19:28 |
swift110 |
I fully intend to play the game more this year and to promote it where I can. I do have a blog that can be used as well. |
| 19:28 |
sofar |
nothing stops anyone from porting rubenwardy's android mod app to minetest itself |
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kaeza |
there was a mod manager in the past |
| 19:28 |
sofar |
it should be fairly easy, even |
| 19:28 |
red-001 |
I don't mean it wouldn't get stable |
| 19:28 |
swift110 |
So what are some goals that you think can be realistically reached in the short-term |
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kaeza |
was removed because maintainer went MIA |
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red-001 |
I just doubt the version number will change |
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Taose |
as if it isn't stable |
| 19:30 |
Taose |
Oh I lie |
| 19:30 |
Taose |
there's a roadmap |
| 19:30 |
Taose |
only up to 0.5.0 though |
| 19:30 |
Taose |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2370 |
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swift110 |
ok Taose so what can we do to make this happen |
| 19:33 |
Taose |
Learn to C++ and get stuck in solving the issues |
| 19:33 |
swift110 |
Taose, hmm I don't even know python lol |
| 19:33 |
Taose |
I know the feeling |
| 19:33 |
kaeza |
http://abstrusegoose.com/249 |
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swift110 |
thats why I said i can advertise it for sure. I want to get more people playing minetest but the problem is that it is considered inferior to the minecraft experience |
| 19:34 |
Taose |
lmfao kaeza |
| 19:35 |
swift110 |
Im unique because I dont play minetest |
| 19:35 |
Taose |
I don't and never have played minecraft. |
| 19:35 |
swift110 |
but I was thinking of getting it and comparing the two although its true there are others that already have |
| 19:35 |
swift110 |
Taose, well its good to know what else is out there to know how to improve what we have |
| 19:35 |
red-001 |
<swift110> Im unique because I dont play minetest |
| 19:35 |
red-001 |
did you mean minecraft? |
| 19:36 |
swift110 |
red-001, im unique becase I dont play minecraft |
| 19:36 |
Taose |
there we go |
| 19:36 |
swift110 |
minecraft seems to be something a child can pick up and just play. We need to make minetest the same way |
| 19:37 |
swift110 |
People will not play something unless they enjoy it. |
| 19:37 |
Pie-jacker875 |
it is already simple |
| 19:37 |
Taose |
^ |
| 19:38 |
Taose |
Well |
| 19:38 |
Taose |
>.> |
| 19:38 |
Taose |
some of the mods can be tricky to find out which ones you want and which ones you don't... |
| 19:38 |
Pie-jacker875 |
so play online |
| 19:38 |
Taose |
That |
| 19:38 |
Taose |
means socializing |
| 19:38 |
Pie-jacker875 |
lol |
| 19:39 |
swift110 |
Taose, maybe I am just slow. Maybe I am annoyed that installing the tutorial mode is such a hassle. |
| 19:39 |
red-001 |
lol |
| 19:39 |
Taose |
O_o we have a tutorial mode!? |
| 19:39 |
Calinou |
swift110: well, I was playing on a public Minecraft server yesterday, and it baffles me how the kids there have no idea what's property |
| 19:39 |
Pie-jacker875 |
private servers are best |
| 19:39 |
Calinou |
I tpahere'd someone and they started destroying stuff randomly |
| 19:39 |
Calinou |
then saying "sorry" when I asked them not to |
| 19:40 |
Calinou |
thankfully I claimed my build |
| 19:40 |
polypodiales |
anyone know any private servers where I can join? |
| 19:40 |
Pie-jacker875 |
people steal and grief on public minetest too |
| 19:40 |
red-001 |
really minetest doesn't really have anything that makes it stand out |
| 19:40 |
Calinou |
here I'm not sure if it's incompetence or malice |
| 19:40 |
Pie-jacker875 |
malice mostly |
| 19:40 |
Pie-jacker875 |
the internet is full of pricks |
| 19:41 |
red-001 |
It just looks like a worse and cheaper version of minecraft to most people that find it |
| 19:41 |
* mystik |
's 4yo plays MT. (and MC). sometimes they she randomly hit players, since she cannot yet read ... |
| 19:41 |
Taose |
It's not exactly a funded project... |
| 19:41 |
Calinou |
Pie-jacker875: well Minecraft has a lot of kids |
| 19:41 |
Taose |
and "looks" is a matter of which texture pack you installed. |
| 19:41 |
Pie-jacker875 |
kids are pricks |
| 19:41 |
Calinou |
some will play it like they play GTA, I guess |
| 19:41 |
Calinou |
:P |
| 19:42 |
Pie-jacker875 |
also there's this thing in the US called COPPA |
| 19:42 |
Calinou |
wasn't it abolished? |
| 19:42 |
Pie-jacker875 |
idk |
| 19:42 |
Calinou |
either way, people totally forgot about it now |
| 19:42 |
Pie-jacker875 |
yeah, well stop forgetting about it |
| 19:43 |
mystik |
it's still in effect somehow -- a lot of services don't let under 13yo's join. but, keep in mind, when it was passed, public commercial internet access was only like 10-12 years old too :) |
| 19:43 |
Pie-jacker875 |
even if it's not a thing anymore it's good to enforce something like that just to filter out people who are jerks |
| 19:43 |
red-001 |
minetest has to prove to people it's not just an inferior version of minecraft |
| 19:44 |
Pie-jacker875 |
it was passed in 1998 |
| 19:44 |
Taose |
But...it is Red. |
| 19:44 |
Taose |
That's kinda the whole point of minetest. |
| 19:45 |
dzho |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Online_Privacy_Protection_Act <-- definitely a thing |
| 19:45 |
mystik |
Pie-jacker875: Arpanet allowed private commercial access in 89/90, so only 8 years old :) |
| 19:45 |
red-001 |
and making mod really easy to install will help with that |
| 19:45 |
polypodiales |
a mod menu like in ppsspp would be awesome |
| 19:45 |
polypodiales |
but the devs already know that |
| 19:45 |
Taose |
mods are stupidly easy to install. |
| 19:46 |
Taose |
Download the mod zip |
| 19:46 |
Pie-jacker875 |
^ |
| 19:46 |
red-001 |
otherwise you will only get people unwilling to play for minecraft and the opensource crowd |
| 19:46 |
Taose |
Unzip in the mod directory |
| 19:46 |
polypodiales |
nah, it's not easy enough for retards |
| 19:46 |
Taose |
configure game > enable mod |
| 19:46 |
red-001 |
get all the dependences |
| 19:46 |
polypodiales |
they just need to have a menu in their game where mods are displayed and it downloads and installs then with the click of a button |
| 19:46 |
mystik |
MT can shine by keeping mods in github and/or easy to obtain, vs MC's "go to this sketchy site, and pick the download button that doesn't install malware" |
| 19:46 |
red-001 |
figure out why it keeps crashing |
| 19:46 |
Taose |
...minetest rarely crashes |
| 19:47 |
Taose |
What version are you using? |
| 19:47 |
Calinou |
mystik: these days installing Minecraft mods is easy, and doesn't require going to sketchy sites |
| 19:47 |
Taose |
(I've not had a crash yet) |
| 19:47 |
red-001 |
well you are lucky |
| 19:47 |
mystik |
Calinou: good :) that's a relief at least. |
| 19:47 |
Pie-jacker875 |
minecraft mods were annoying when I played it |
| 19:47 |
red-001 |
or maybe I'm unlucky |
| 19:47 |
Calinou |
but ad-sponsored sites are still rampant |
| 19:47 |
Calinou |
so you want an ad blocker |
| 19:48 |
Taose |
no serious red, what version? |
| 19:48 |
Taose |
and where did you download it from? |
| 19:48 |
red-001 |
well usually pretty close to latest dev |
| 19:48 |
red-001 |
but building anything on windows is a pain |
| 19:49 |
Taose |
so scrap windows and install linux. |
| 19:49 |
red-001 |
no thanks |
| 19:49 |
rdococ |
seriously, do it. |
| 19:49 |
Taose |
^ |
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red-001 |
I prefer an os that accualy works |
| 19:49 |
rdococ |
sorry, since when did linux not work? |
| 19:49 |
Taose |
>.> you've never tried Ubuntu have you |
| 19:49 |
polypodiales |
install linux |
| 19:49 |
red-001 |
I did |
| 19:49 |
rdococ |
I use Debian and it's fine. |
| 19:49 |
Pie-jacker875 |
windows doesn't work |
| 19:49 |
* Taose |
feels at home |
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red-001 |
many times |
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polypodiales |
try to compile an android build on windows |
| 19:49 |
red-001 |
two graphics cards |
| 19:50 |
Taose |
? |
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Pie-jacker875 |
why did you build a PC with two graphics cards? |
| 19:50 |
Calinou |
laptops, Pie-jacker875 |
| 19:50 |
Pie-jacker875 |
lol |
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red-001 |
not at the same time |
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red-001 |
lol |
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Pie-jacker875 |
>trying to play games on a laptop |
| 19:50 |
Calinou |
Pie-jacker875: why not? it's relatively viable today |
| 19:50 |
red-001 |
linux just seems horrible and graphics card support |
| 19:51 |
Pie-jacker875 |
I find laptops to be generally unpleasant |
| 19:51 |
Calinou |
(if you don't care too much about battery life and portability) |
| 19:51 |
Taose |
Just put ubuntu or mint or debian or whatever flavour you like (go hardcore, go arch). As long as you keep it updated you'll be fine. |
| 19:51 |
red-001 |
and = at |
| 19:51 |
Calinou |
well they're a necessity |
| 19:51 |
Pie-jacker875 |
unless you're actually moving about |
| 19:51 |
Calinou |
Pie-jacker875: in fact I bought a laptop this week :p |
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Taose |
As for graphic card support, I run an Radeon R9, it's got great support. |
| 19:51 |
Pie-jacker875 |
in which case if you are moving about you should probably be doing work rather than playing games |
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red-001 |
really I would love to use linux |
| 19:51 |
red-001 |
but that seems to be out of the question |
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Taose |
You're just making life difficult for yourself. |
| 19:52 |
Calinou |
Pie-jacker875: yeah gaming laptops aren't great for moving |
| 19:52 |
Pie-jacker875 |
and laptops are unpleasant if you're not moving about |
| 19:53 |
Calinou |
well, you can plug a laptop to a docking station, or to a monitor |
| 19:53 |
Taose |
>.> |
| 19:53 |
Pie-jacker875 |
but you still have to deal with the shitty chicklet keyboard and trackpad, unless you bring your keyboard and mouse around with you too |
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polypodiales |
red-001: which graphics card exactly |
| 19:53 |
Calinou |
well using a mouse with a laptop is commonplace, keyboard not so much |
| 19:53 |
Pie-jacker875 |
rubber domes and scissor switches are unpleasant |
| 19:54 |
* Taose |
looks at Calinou |
| 19:54 |
Taose |
wut |
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mystik |
red-001: If MSFT releases an X11 server with openGL access, then you'll be all set w/ the linux subsystem :) |
| 19:54 |
Calinou |
Taose: also, input devices of laptops have improved quite a bit recently |
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Calinou |
or at least it seems |
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red-001 |
can't remeber right now but they fairly low-end ones |
| 19:54 |
polypodiales |
amd or nvidia or intel |
| 19:54 |
Taose |
But they don't come with keyboards? What happened? |
| 19:54 |
red-001 |
one from navida one from amd |
| 19:54 |
polypodiales |
in amd you install the open source driver and in nvidia you install the proprietary one |
| 19:54 |
Calinou |
that's not possible red-001, there is no "AMVIDIA" settings in laptops |
| 19:55 |
red-001 |
ehh |
| 19:55 |
Calinou |
(AMD CPU/NVIDIA GPU) |
| 19:55 |
Taose |
Amd always have great support with linux, just make sure to install the proprietary drivers if you want to game with it. |
| 19:55 |
red-001 |
when did I say this is a laptop? |
| 19:55 |
Calinou |
Taose: the proprietary drivers are no longer maintained for AMD... |
| 19:55 |
Taose |
>.> yet they still work |
| 19:55 |
Taose |
and work well. |
| 19:55 |
Pie-jacker875 |
correction, the old proprietary drivers |
| 19:55 |
polypodiales |
use AMDGPU or radeon instead |
| 19:56 |
Pie-jacker875 |
amdgpu-pro exists now |
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Calinou |
Taose: do they work on any recent distro? |
| 19:56 |
Pie-jacker875 |
no |
| 19:56 |
Taose |
...I'm pretty sure I'm using them on Ubuntu 16.04 |
| 19:56 |
Calinou |
that's not quite recent but well |
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polypodiales |
Taose: which graphics card are you using |
| 19:57 |
Taose |
Radeon R9 200x |
| 19:57 |
Pie-jacker875 |
frglx or whatever it's called isn't in the repos of ubuntu 16.04 |
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polypodiales |
Taose: you should switch to amdgpu |
| 19:57 |
Pie-jacker875 |
do you mean 290X? |
| 19:57 |
Taose |
that's the one |
| 19:57 |
Pie-jacker875 |
or 270X or 280X |
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polypodiales |
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/AMDGPU |
| 19:59 |
Pie-jacker875 |
if you're running ubuntu 16.04 and have a 290X you're most likely running the radeon free drivers right now |
| 19:59 |
Calinou |
if you want decent performance with an open source driver, you pretty much need to use a rolling-release distribution, sometimes even pulling kernel or Mesa from Git |
| 19:59 |
Pie-jacker875 |
and mesa |
| 19:59 |
Taose |
Actually quite possible... I had to reinstall not so long back due to INTELLIJ WRECKING MY OS. |
| 19:59 |
polypodiales |
I think Pie-jacker875 is correct |
| 19:59 |
Calinou |
lol, you must be installing IntelliJ really wrong then :P |
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Taose |
(and hence I'm here, not in Terasology) |
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Pie-jacker875 |
to run amdgpu you'll need a kernel that has CIK support enabled |
| 20:00 |
Pie-jacker875 |
I run a R9 390, I went through a bunch of shit to get it working |
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Taose |
@Calinou, I followed the instructions and watched it do silly things that it wasn't allowed to do. |
| 20:01 |
Calinou |
here, GTX 1080 works just fine with NVIDIA blob on Linux, but I typically use Windows anyway :p |
| 20:01 |
Pie-jacker875 |
I've heard nvidia support has been faltering a little lately |
| 20:01 |
Calinou |
with Nouveau the cursor gets stuck in the top-left and there's no 3D acceleration :D |
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MinetestBot |
[git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Map generation limit: Cache as 'const' not 'const static' 8c1b4f2 https://git.io/vMWB6 (2017-01-08T21:18:11Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Map generation limit: Fix checks for block/sector over-limit ddcf842 https://git.io/vMWBi (2017-01-08T21:18:11Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] zeuner -> minetest/minetestmapper: PostgreSQL database support af502f3 https://git.io/vMWEc (2017-01-08T22:24:09Z) |
| 22:26 |
red-001 |
well there goes another db |
| 22:26 |
red-001 |
I wonder will someone write a custom one for minetest at some point |
| 22:27 |
agaran |
probably or use some specialized databases for storing things not general SQL |
| 22:27 |
agaran |
ones which deal better with binary blobs than sqlite.. |
| 22:27 |
red-001 |
yeah I'm not really sure having this mean DB's is accually doing minetest an favours |
| 22:28 |
sfan5 |
agaran: you mean like leveldb |
| 22:28 |
agaran |
sfan5: yup, or even berkley db.. |
| 22:28 |
red-001 |
many* |
| 22:28 |
agaran |
both are happy with binary blobs |
| 22:28 |
agaran |
(leveldb has woes.. we routinely have leveldb-repair running at work stuff..) |
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red-001 |
so why is sqlite the default? |
| 22:29 |
agaran |
sfan5: we use ceph stuff which internally uses leveldb.. heavilly.. |
| 22:29 |
agaran |
20-30GB leveldb is not uncommon.. |
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MinetestBot |
[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetestmapper: Update README (postgresql support) bc7d81e https://git.io/vMWEr (2017-01-08T22:27:45Z) |
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behalebabo |
Is the replacements parameter to place_schematic supposed to remain the same between calls on the same schematic for some reason? |
| 22:30 |
behalebabo |
and if so, is there any way to get the dimensions of a schematic file from within a mod without parsing it myself? |
| 22:30 |
sfan5 |
i don't think so |
| 22:30 |
sfan5 |
and nope |
| 22:31 |
sfan5 |
behalebabo: it's not hard though: you open the file, skip 6 bytes and read a 16-bit integer in network byte order three times |
| 22:31 |
sfan5 |
those are your dimensions |
| 22:32 |
behalebabo |
ok, thanks |
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KikaRz |
Hey there, I'm having problems on cross-compiling Minetest to Windows on Linux. |
| 23:19 |
kaeza |
what kind of problems? |
| 23:20 |
KikaRz |
Could not find toolchain file: /home/drakz/toolchain_mingw.cmake |
| 23:22 |
KikaRz |
(it is my first time trying to cross-compile, as compiling directly in the Windows system is a bit more complicated. |
| 23:23 |
kaeza |
this page has nice info about that: http://www.vtk.org/Wiki/CmakeMingw |
| 23:24 |
kaeza |
isn't there a tool to automate that, BTW? |
| 23:24 |
kaeza |
util/buildbot/ |
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est |
yeah, travis runs mingw cross builds afaik |
| 23:25 |
KikaRz |
I'm using Buildbot |
| 23:27 |
kaeza |
how are you running it? |
| 23:28 |
KikaRz |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/tree/master/util/buildbot |
| 23:28 |
KikaRz |
oh, there is toolchain. |
| 23:28 |
kaeza |
yeah, buildbot takes care of everything |
| 23:28 |
kaeza |
or should |
| 23:29 |
KikaRz |
it should, but... meh |
| 23:30 |
KikaRz |
How to cross-compile properly... http://i.imgur.com/9DKGInV.png |
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KikaRz |
so, I have to install mingw-w64-gcc and mingw-w64-g++? |
| 23:32 |
kaeza |
... |
| 23:32 |
KikaRz |
Sorry sir, it isn't explicit on the VTK's Wiki. |
| 23:33 |
kaeza |
http://www.vtk.org/Wiki/CmakeMingw#Install_the_mingw_cross_compiling_toolchain |
| 23:33 |
kaeza |
it's right there |
| 23:34 |
kaeza |
for win64 it's something else, sure |
| 23:34 |
KikaRz |
I don't use Ubuntu/Debian e.e |
| 23:34 |
kaeza |
adapt to your package manager then :) |
| 23:35 |
KikaRz |
Already compiling. |
| 23:37 |
KikaRz |
Just sorry kaeza, I'm trying to adapt myself without having Linux as my main system. |
| 23:38 |
kaeza |
wait... you are crosscompiling for Windows inside a Linux VM? O.o |
| 23:38 |
KikaRz |
Yep. |
| 23:39 |
kaeza |
...a Linux VM in a Windows host :I |
| 23:39 |
kaeza |
why not get native mingw and build it directly? |
| 23:40 |
KikaRz |
'--' |
| 23:40 |
KikaRz |
http://i.imgur.com/qaGexyU.png |
| 23:40 |
kaeza |
or MSVC or whatever that's called these days |
| 23:40 |
KikaRz |
It didn't compiled successfully :| |
| 23:41 |
kaeza |
I would just disable LevelDB for now |
| 23:41 |
kaeza |
cd $builddir && cmake -DENABLE_LEVELDB=0 |
| 23:41 |
kaeza |
&& make |
| 23:43 |
kaeza |
probably some problems with C++ name mangling or something |
| 23:44 |
KikaRz |
okay |
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KikaRz |
I'm already installing MinGW for Windows. |
| 23:45 |
KikaRz |
I just went on a Linux VM because it has Buildbot kk ._. |
| 23:47 |
kaeza |
I didn't get to compile leveldb under mingw, and you will probably have the same issue as the linux VM |
| 23:47 |
kaeza |
you will also probably need to compile Irrlicht yourself |
| 23:50 |
KikaRz |
1.8.1, 1.8 or 1.7.3? |
| 23:51 |
kaeza |
latest you find in the 1.8 series |
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KikaRz |
Libidn 2.0.9? There is only Libidn 1.33 '-' |
