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00:35 Taose >.> <.<
00:39 paramat Taose if you like dungeons you might like my mod https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=9896
00:39 paramat just take note of the warning
00:40 paramat it can generate into existing map
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00:41 Taose Just when I was trying to find a release of yours to look at
00:41 Taose Your timing is impeccable.
00:43 paramat you'll need to fly underground for a while to find one
00:43 paramat i intend to add a surface entrance
00:43 Taose Oh I've found a dungeon already apparently
00:44 Taose I'll probably try adding your mod to a fresh world.
00:44 Taose (I can't put anything together really...he says...)
00:44 paramat heh
00:45 paramat the dungeon you found is core mapgen, that mod makes huge structures
00:46 Taose Ah
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01:08 LabCat How can I place a single part of an item I'm holding in the crafting grid on mobile? This is just like right clicking on desktop version while holding something in your inventory.
01:10 kaeza LabCat, I believe you should hold the source item in one finger, while tapping with a second finger on the target slot
01:10 Taose >.> on my phone it's just a tap once to hold
01:10 Taose tap again to drop
01:11 kaeza that moves the whole stack
01:11 Taose so moving around the inventory and crafting is pretty simple
01:11 Taose double tap to get one
01:11 kaeza oh?
01:12 Taose I can't say I've been messing with the mobile version very much however. I could be mistaken.
01:12 Taose (Just while I'm at work)
01:13 LabCat When I try double tapping the item just goes into the corner (the whole stack).
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01:14 Taose hm
01:14 LabCat Maybe this is because of the server I am on.
01:14 kaeza tapping with two fingers seems to kinda work for me
01:15 Taose Huh
01:15 Taose not enough dirt
01:16 Taose Guys...
01:16 Taose >_>
01:16 Taose How do I make dirt
01:17 kaeza what seems to be working for me is, grab the whole stack, touch in target slot (but don't release finger), then tap in any other empty slot
01:17 Taose He's gone
01:17 kaeza yeah :(
01:18 kaeza there's no way to make dirt AFAIK, not without mods at least
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01:18 Taose dammit all
01:19 kaeza it's kind of a scarce resource :P
01:19 kaeza considering almost 50% of the world is stone
01:19 paramat make dirt? dirt_with_grass/snow will drop dirt
01:19 paramat erm, perhaos we could add composting of leaves to dirt
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01:20 paramat (perhaps)
01:20 Taose Please
01:21 LabCat Thank you guys for your help. It works now.
01:21 kaeza !next
01:21 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next!
01:22 * Taose imagines MineTest economy revolving around how much "Dirts" something costs.
01:23 Taose ...days and nights go past a bit quick
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01:23 kaeza /set time_speed 1
01:24 paramat i use 8 to avoid dizziness :]
01:24 Taose ?
01:24 Taose What's the difference between 1 and 8
01:24 whitephoenix 7
01:24 kaeza whitephoenix++
01:25 paramat erm MT day length = 24 hours / 'time speed'
01:25 paramat default is 72
01:26 whitephoenix oh no
01:26 whitephoenix don't do 999999
01:26 whitephoenix 9999 feels cool though
01:27 whitephoenix empty world feels like a spaceship
01:29 * Taose goes mining. For DIRT -_-
01:30 Taose I'll set it to 36 instead.
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01:30 paramat oh there are dirt blobs in stone from sea level up in many biomes
01:31 Taose Yeah that's what I'm mining now
01:34 * Taose watches a blade of grass hold back a bucket of water
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01:42 red-001 what do you think of all the iOS forks?
01:44 Taose Useful to eat apples with?
01:44 red-001 I prefer pears
01:44 Taose I prefer linux too
01:45 Hirato Tuxnix
01:45 Hirato ... wonder if tuxracer is still a thing
01:47 red-001 I think super tux cart is a thing
01:48 Taose How can I grant myself server?
01:48 whitephoenix yes and yes
01:48 Taose Trying to set time speed but it won't let me
01:49 red-001 wait was tuxtracer the one that uses high-maps to store levels?
01:49 Hirato maybe, it's the one where tux skis down slopes on his belly
01:49 red-001 Taose /grantme server ?
01:49 Taose Doesn't work
01:50 red-001 huh
01:50 Taose Or at least, didn't work until I found the /grant singleplayer all
01:50 Taose command
01:50 red-001 is it a local world?
01:50 red-001 huh
01:50 red-001 thats strange
01:51 whitephoenix I wonder what percentage of linux games are bundled with emacs
01:51 whitephoenix tetris is the only thing its good at as far as I care
01:51 red-001 /grantme should work just like /grant yourname
01:52 Hirato whitephoenix: dunno, but I can tell you that emacs at least has a snake clone
01:52 whitephoenix it has a psychiatrist game too, for when the elisp starts to get to you
01:53 Hirato what makes you think the elisp is getting to you?
01:54 whitephoenix (((I'm))()()(()Not()(()Real(y))()(Sure)))
01:54 Hirato you're not sure?
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01:55 whitephoenix ((no))
01:55 red-001 ((?)
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01:58 Taose Why are we being racist
01:59 red-001 ((unclosed(brackets)
01:59 * Taose segfaults
02:00 Hirato lol
02:00 whitephoenix NullPointerException not handled
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02:02 Taose How do I return back to normal permissions?
02:02 red-001 /revoke
02:05 paramat best to set time speed in .conf or in advanced settings menu
02:06 Taose probably
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03:40 Miner_48er what's the m/s of fast move?
03:44 kaeza 20, apparently
03:44 kaeza src/player.cpp around line 65
03:48 Miner_48er thx
04:25 kaeza is it just me, or the forums are awfully slow?
04:26 VanessaE a few people have been complaining.
04:29 sofar yeah, seems sluggish
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04:39 sofar wow. segfault placing mese lamp
04:39 sofar I guess changing LIGHT_SUN to 11 isn't a good idea
04:41 VanessaE heh
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05:01 sofar I wanted to see how a lower daylight value would look :/
05:03 hmmmm utterly depressing
05:04 sofar well actually it doesn't look any different, just crashes when you do a light update
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05:47 hmmmm sounds like a PR!
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06:11 kaeza https://gist.github.com/kaeza/e​88d6e8c868aa1ce81a3be50ea404afc
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08:55 MinetestBot [git] red-001 -> minetest/minetest: Extend minetest.is_yes() c435eab https://git.io/vMcxv (2017-01-07T08:54:51Z)
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10:05 MinetestBot [git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Revert "Extend minetest.is_yes()" ce106a4 https://git.io/vMcjk (2017-01-07T10:05:05Z)
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11:34 MinetestBot [git] Ezhh -> minetest/minetest: Make column alignment consistent in advanced settings (#5004) 8f9611b https://git.io/vMCvy (2017-01-07T11:33:38Z)
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13:16 kaeza https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np32Nnnni9U
13:16 sfan5 !title
13:16 MinetestBot sfan5: This is a title. - YouTube
13:16 An0n3m0us cool
13:17 Taose I like the rainbows
13:17 Taose But some idiot kept painting a wall with black spots
13:17 juhdanad Does this work with collision or with selection boxes?
13:17 Taose ;)
13:18 kaeza collision boxes for entities, nodeboxes for nodes
13:18 juhdanad And what is the difference between collision box and node box?
13:19 kaeza for nodes, collisionbox (actually selectionboxes) are the user-selectable boxes
13:19 kaeza the nodebox is the visible part
13:20 juhdanad And then what is selection box?
13:20 kaeza read above :P
13:20 kaeza selection boxes are what you can "touch" in a node
13:21 kaeza which may not be what you can "see"
13:21 juhdanad In the c++ code there are three node boxes; two of them are identical?
13:22 kaeza I don't follow
13:23 kaeza you mean terminology?
13:24 juhdanad As I see, nodebox is for drawing. Collision box is for physics, and it tefaults to nodebox. Selection box is for pointing at a node.
13:24 juhdanad *defaults.
13:24 juhdanad Based on the c++ code.
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13:26 kaeza uh? there's separate collision and selection boxes for nodes?
13:27 juhdanad Yes, there are.
13:28 kaeza can't find anything in lua_api
13:28 kaeza just node_box and selection_box
13:29 sfan5 collision box can be set for entities
13:30 kaeza yeah, but not for nodes
13:30 juhdanad I will try it out!
13:31 kaeza BTW, you will notice those fugly black spots keep floating in midair
13:31 kaeza too lazy to implement a proper algorithm :P
13:37 kaeza hope that raycast thingy can help with this use case
13:37 juhdanad I added "collision_box = {type = "fixed",fixed = {{0.4375, -0.5, -0.5, 0.5, 0.5, 0.5},},}," to default:sand.
13:37 juhdanad It renders itself as usual.
13:37 juhdanad But it acts like a vertical wall!
13:37 kaeza O.o
13:37 juhdanad I can walk trough it in one direction.
13:38 juhdanad So yes, collision_box is physics.
13:38 kaeza oh
13:38 juhdanad This should be documented.
13:39 kaeza it is, just not in the correct place
13:40 kaeza it's documented at line 641 in "Nodes", but not at the bottom where the whole node def is given
13:40 juhdanad kazea: by the way, Raycast works with selection boxes, since it is a generalization of getPointedThing().
13:41 kaeza that may actually be better
13:41 kaeza or maybe not
13:41 juhdanad But I hope I will be able to generalize it to all kinds of boxes.
13:42 kaeza that would be greatly appreciated :)
13:43 juhdanad The problem is that my PR is large enough, so it would be in a separate one.
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14:05 Taose How to increase the draw distance?
14:08 kaeza '+'
14:08 * Taose isn't effectively building a tower at all..
14:10 Taose hm...
14:11 Taose still can't see the ocean
14:11 An0n3m0us try 'r'
14:12 Taose nope
14:12 Taose It seems to cut off
14:12 Taose around the 300 mark
14:13 sfan5 the server doesn't send an infinite range of the world to the client
14:13 Taose ^ that'll be it
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19:25 Taose Whose bright idea was it to have dirt and sand not renewable
19:27 KaadmY what does making dirt/sand renewable get you though?
19:27 KaadmY it's nice for skyblock etc where they're impossible/scarce
19:27 KaadmY but most of the time on solid ground you have pretty much infinite
19:28 Taose >.>
19:28 Taose I ran out
19:28 Taose ...well
19:28 Taose unless I want to go walking for half an hour
19:28 KaadmY use /teleport ._.
19:28 Taose >_>
19:28 Taose Might as well use creative mode while I'm at it
19:30 red-001 huh what are you building that you ran out of dirt/sand
19:31 Taose Landscaping actually
19:33 Taose Sand not running out of so easily, it just means a boat trip
19:34 Taose But then, I don't need so much sand...
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20:13 Open_Future Hi All,  I was looking at my firewall and i notice that it lists the following when listening:  UDP 50593 minetest
20:13 Open_Future what is that for?  my server is on 30000 UDP set to allow connections
20:13 sfan5 did you use minetest singleplayer on that same computer
20:13 Open_Future what is this 50593 port?
20:14 Taose It's probably a random one for single player mode.
20:14 sfan5 if so then ^
20:15 Taose In the mean time, feel free to keep block it firewall wise :).
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20:26 Open_Future ok thanks
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20:45 freelikegnu I cant for the life of me understand what minetest expects when I attach something to an animated bone :<
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20:46 Asbjorn hello
20:46 freelikegnu the thing that is attached moves in the wrong direction relative to the bone :P
20:46 Taose ...cthulu probably
20:49 Asbjorn is there a coffee mod yet?
20:49 Taose >.> we don't do java
20:50 Taose ;)
20:50 Taose What are you expecting said coffee mod to do?
20:51 Asbjorn coffee plants would grow in the jungle and you could harvest them to get beans, which can be planted or roasted and ground and made into a drink. if it doesn't exist then I want to make it
20:52 * Taose glares
20:53 Taose I swear people know that the jungle is 50m light years away from me -_-
20:53 Asbjorn what
20:54 Taose In the world I play my nearest jungle is about a four to six day walk.
20:54 Asbjorn for a moment I thought you were talking about real life
20:54 Taose X)
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20:58 kaeza Asbjorn, this mod seems to have coffee in it https://github.com/minetest-mods/beverage
21:00 Asbjorn thank you
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21:12 IhrFussel I think the max lag goes abnormally high when a few players fly around with fast enabled...is there a setting that could improve it? Maybe allowing more block sends per client? Or more sends in total?
21:13 Calinou IhrFussel: you can allow *faster* block sends
21:13 Calinou https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blo​b/master/minetest.conf.example#L800-L806
21:13 Calinou try setting both to 10000 and see
21:16 IhrFussel Calinou, max_simultaneous_block_sends_per_client < I have that at 2 cause i thought it would make the server rather faster ... max_simultaneous_block_sends_server_total < that's at 80
21:17 IhrFussel 10,000 sounds a bit overkill o.o my dedi is not the fastest machine x.x
21:17 Calinou IhrFussel: it just means the server will send blocks as quickly as possible
21:17 Calinou which is, IMO, the right thing to do
21:18 IhrFussel So it will likely not hog the CPU or RAM?
21:19 IhrFussel And should I increase max_packets_per_iteration too? It's at 650 right now
21:19 Calinou try setting it to 2048
21:19 Calinou or even 4096
21:20 IhrFussel I wonder what defines an "iteration"? a server tick?
21:22 IhrFussel Yes I just read it in the example conf..it means per step
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21:49 IhrFussel That moment when you move to a new server, add an auto message in the old one that tells the players to not use the server anymore and look for the new one and some still stay lol...
21:50 IhrFussel I even translated the auto message in different languages so that's not the problem
21:50 mystik IhrFussel take away interact on all the holdouts :)
21:52 IhrFussel mystik, that would be an idea...I originally planned to just set a prejoin error telling them to use the new server
21:52 IhrFussel ...if it wasn't for the bug on Android 0.4.14 that crashes the app on any prejoin messages
22:06 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Default: Alter sand to sandstone recipe c8b1671 https://git.io/vMCub (2017-01-07T22:01:36Z)
22:06 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Fire: Reduce flame light level to 13 96aac5f https://git.io/vMCuN (2017-01-07T22:01:30Z)
22:06 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: License.txt: Include full official LGPL 2.1 .txt file b688913 https://git.io/vMCuA (2017-01-07T22:01:24Z)
22:06 MinetestBot [git] rubenwardy -> minetest/minetest_game: Add /killme chat command cadc8b3 https://git.io/vMCux (2017-01-07T22:01:19Z)
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23:00 Asbjorn https://en.wikipedia.org/w​iki/Rubber_duck_debugging
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23:11 kaeza !ping minetest.net
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