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00:00 Wuzzy otherwise, they fucked up being authoritaritan xD
00:00 Fixer Wuzzy: it has, look Russia, China etc
00:00 Wuzzy well that just proofs they can learn a lot from North Korea :)
00:00 GreenDimond Fixer wrote: "GreenDimond: done https://launchpad.net/~minete​stdevs/+archive/ubuntu/stable "
00:00 Fixer Wuzzy: just recently rusnacionalist who posted a blogpost about russians bombing assad opposition (but not ISIL much) got 2 years in prison
00:00 GreenDimond oh.
00:00 GreenDimond DUH.
00:01 GreenDimond i forgot to run sudo apt-get update xD
00:01 Fixer Wuzzy: or.. guy who reposted some picture about Ukraine resistence get sentenced for year or more
00:01 GreenDimond offtopic forum still not cleared...
00:02 Fixer Wuzzy: it is happened, free speech is been destroyed in East Europe/Asia (China already destroyed it I think)
00:02 Fixer everyone wants control
00:02 emunand i see a lot of chinese people over ZeroNet
00:02 Wuzzy true story
00:02 emunand also just found out about zerotube
00:02 emunand or zeronet youtube
00:02 GreenDimond upgrading minetest....
00:03 Fixer lots of fear of people, after african revolutions, authoritarian regimes pay much more attention to internet
00:03 GreenDimond YAY.
00:03 emunand havent seen the update yet
00:03 Fixer also, lots of propaganda from russian/chinese paid trolls
00:03 emunand GreenDimond: where is it?
00:03 Wuzzy lots of propaganda from basically all countries? :P
00:03 GreenDimond run sudo apt-get update
00:03 GreenDimond then run
00:03 GreenDimond sudo apt-get upgrade minetest
00:04 Wuzzy propaganda is normal politics :D
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00:15 Topic for #minetest is now Welcome to #minetest, official Minetest channel | Latest version: 0.4.15 (2016-12-22) | Responses may take a while, be patient | Rules: http://wiki.minetest.net/IRC#Rules | Development: #minetest-dev | Server list: http://minetest.net/servers | IRC logs: http://irc.minetest.net/minetest/
00:16 Wuzzy interesting. i didnt know that bots are "he's" in English. you learn something new every day.
00:16 GreenDimond better idea....
00:16 GreenDimond maybe it will work
00:16 emunand it
00:17 GreenDimond uninstalling and reinstalling
00:19 GreenDimond why the heck does it take 5 seconds to install?!
00:19 GreenDimond that should not happen!
00:19 Wuzzy maybe u jsut installed it from cache
00:20 Wuzzy GreenDimond: have you already looked for similar-named minetest packages?
00:20 GreenDimond How was I able to do it before?!?!?!
00:20 Wuzzy idk
00:21 GreenDimond when I got 0.4.14 all i did was ad the repo update and install!
00:21 GreenDimond *add
00:21 Wuzzy according to pkgs.org there are 3 packages: minetest, minetest-data and minetest-server
00:21 GreenDimond ik it installed all of them
00:21 GreenDimond but not this time
00:21 Wuzzy installed AND updated?
00:21 GreenDimond by using the repo it installs latest
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00:23 GreenDimond how do i completely remove something??????
00:24 Wuzzy with a hammer
00:24 Wuzzy or wipe
00:24 GreenDimond remove a PROGRAM.
00:25 Wuzzy wipe removes everything securely
00:25 Wuzzy but i dont know which os ur using, so sorry
00:25 GreenDimond xubuntu.
00:25 Wuzzy apt-get omgidontknowthecommand
00:26 GreenDimond why is .minetest still there?!
00:26 Wuzzy because this is your user data
00:26 GreenDimond what the heck?
00:26 Wuzzy package managers dont touch those and should not touch them
00:26 GreenDimond oh yeah :P
00:27 Wuzzy well, would you really want to lose all worlds after uninstalling minetest?
00:27 Wuzzy because thats where your worlds are
00:27 GreenDimond i copied the data to a different folder
00:27 GreenDimond lemme check the usr/share/
00:27 GreenDimond its not there....
00:27 GreenDimond so why is it giving me the wrong one?!
00:28 GreenDimond LOL
00:28 GreenDimond of course.
00:28 GreenDimond minetestc55 not minetest.
00:29 GreenDimond nope. nvm. wrong post.
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00:31 GreenDimond D':
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00:41 Fixer Water reflow! \o/ https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0SK8O1WgAEVTwg.jpg
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00:47 GreenDimond !
00:47 GreenDimond WHAT?!
00:48 Fixer GreenDimond: 0.4.15 has fixed water reflow, that means there should be no stuck water in 99.99999% cases
00:48 Fixer liquids flow
00:48 Fixer and thats good
00:48 GreenDimond well i cant get 0.4.15 D:
00:48 GreenDimond and thats bad
00:49 Fixer try harder, meanwhile - good night
00:49 GreenDimond night :(
00:49 Fixer GreenDimond: make sure you are installing never version from PPA
00:49 GreenDimond i am :(
00:49 GreenDimond its not working
00:50 Fixer make sure you are using correct ppa
00:50 Fixer and updating from correct ppa
00:50 Fixer etc
00:50 GreenDimond that too :(
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00:55 jordan4ibanez Oops :P
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00:59 GreenDimond https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=6&t=16218
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00:59 GreenDimond help D:
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01:02 GreenDimond hi rdococ.
01:15 Wuzzy I just updated <http://wiki.minetest.net/Smelting> for you. :-)
01:15 Wuzzy Minetest Game has LOADs of new fuels for you to burn
01:16 GreenDimond :(
01:16 Wuzzy i thought it might interest you which items can now be burned
01:16 Wuzzy why ":("?
01:16 GreenDimond doesnt matter for me since I cant get the new game. New fuels are useless atm.
01:18 Wuzzy oh and before someone thinks i actually wrote all the fuel times in by hand: NOPE. I mostly generated this table with a script :-) (see discussion page)
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01:29 freelikegnu new fuels?
01:30 freelikegnu poor nyan cats...
01:31 freelikegnu burning books should cause something awful to happen
01:37 XeonSquared ignite the whole area
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02:01 garywhite octacian: You want me to run an update build of the server OS? Tomorrow morning is gonna be my last chance till possibly after the new year
02:03 whitephoenix0 So did everyone just decide to quit testjam?
02:03 garywhite idk whitephoenix0
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02:18 jordan4ibanez freelikegnu: I love your sheep model!
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02:19 jordan4ibanez It's funny to watch them jive around the world, haha
02:21 jordan4ibanez https://github.com/jordan4ibanez/open_ai/issues/1 I think this is a minetest.conf thing though
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02:28 garywhite Guys if I were to make a server OS build with SUSE Studio for running MT servers, what should I include?
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02:34 jordan4ibanez garywhite: Mumble
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02:38 OldCoder garywhite, Hi; server OS build?
02:41 whitephoenix0 garywhite, alpine linux + minetest and mumble deps
02:42 whitephoenix0 keep the iso size small, suse studio will install all kinds of extra junk
03:11 freelikegnu jordan4ibanez: glad you like it :D
03:12 freelikegnu jordan4ibanez: oh I did not make a collision box for it :o
03:13 jordan4ibanez Dont' worry I made one
03:13 freelikegnu I'll make some  grazing anims for ti too
03:14 freelikegnu is it possible to sue the jump anim?
03:14 freelikegnu use
03:15 freelikegnu also to shear the sheep you only need to swapt the texture (wool) becomes alpha
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03:24 freelikegnu I wonder why mobs were oriented to Y?
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03:53 octacian garywhite: sure, go ahead. I'll test it tomorrow.
03:56 freelikegnu ugh... jordan4ibanez dont bother with that last PR, I have to fix some bones :P
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04:25 jordan4ibanez I already commited it!
04:55 jordan4ibanez freelikegnu: Could you make a fish?
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10:15 fireglow gz on the release!
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13:38 blerttt is there a way to change subgame folder path as we can do to textures path?
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16:36 Amaz Just released Lord of the Test v1.1.0 :) https://github.com/minetest-LOTR/Lo​rd-of-the-Test/releases/tag/v1.1.0
16:38 freelikegnu nice
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17:09 est31 cool!
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17:37 willvarfar I recently added ppa:minetestdevs/stable to my kids xubuntu laptops and upgraded minetest to 4.14.  (I see there has been a release just today!  I upgraded yesterday.)  The menu doesn't show any mods, although the mods already in their existing worlds still work.
17:38 willvarfar Previously, when they had 4.11 IIRC, there was a button for an online mod store but it didn't seem to do anything.
17:38 willvarfar Now there is no obvious button to do anything.
17:38 willvarfar is there a mod store?  And, importantly, are there mine carts now? :)
17:39 sfan5 the mod store was removed because it was horribly broken
17:39 sfan5 minetest_game now includes carts by default
17:39 sfan5 (in 0.4.15)
17:40 willvarfar still lots of mods?
17:43 whitephoenix all of the mods are still around
17:44 willvarfar how should they be installed?
17:44 whitephoenix I download them from the forum or git clone them, but I think theres mod managers
17:45 willvarfar are there release notes for 4.15?  Can't spot any on the website
17:45 willvarfar going from 4.11 (is that the last one packaged by debian?  sad) to 4.14 was absolutely gorgeous
17:47 whitephoenix I don't think so, its kinda messy but you could look through commits since 4.14 https://github.com/minetest/mi​netest/compare/0.4.14...master
17:47 sfan5 willvarfar: no release notes yet
17:47 sfan5 but here are the changes you likely care about https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?p=243697#p243697
17:50 willvarfar hurrah that looks like awesome :)
17:54 willvarfar thx all for working on minetest
17:55 willvarfar installing mods manually seems a bit daunting, shame there's not a mod manager
17:55 willvarfar my kids really love minetest and build massive worlds together in creative mode
17:55 willvarfar will go upgrade :)
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18:31 AlexINF Hey all!
18:32 AlexINF I just wanted to thank you all for making the 0,0,0 bug disappear!
18:32 AlexINF You guys rock!
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20:05 IhrFussel New possible bug: Player connects, everything loads fine but when they join they only see a gray background...reconnecting doesn't solve it, deleting cache folder doesn't solve it, changing MT client version doesn't help either...It seems to be a problem with the server version (0.4.14-dev Dec 18) cause it happened to me too (0.4.14 Android), the other player uses a PC (0.4.15 and 0.4.14)
20:07 IhrFussel Only a server restart solves that bug
20:09 IhrFussel I'm posting here first cause maybe someone already discussed that bug with you guys
20:10 GreenDimond 0.4.14?
20:10 GreenDimond thats outdated D:
20:10 GreenDimond and daily is unstable
20:12 IhrFussel GreenDimond, my Android version is 0.4.14...there was no update for the Play Store yet AFAIK ... my server uses almost the latest dev but the client version seems to not matter cause it happens on PC and phone, on 0.4.14 and 0.4.15
20:12 GreenDimond 0.4.15 for android will be out soon
20:12 GreenDimond as for your bug, im not a code person. dunno wat to do :P
20:12 GreenDimond srry
20:13 IhrFussel It's definitely server-side since a restart fixes everything
20:16 garywhite What's wrong IhrFussel?
20:17 IhrFussel garywhite, read above
20:18 garywhite Hmm...Use the PC client to reproduce the bug and press F5. Then tell me what the coords are
20:18 Shara IhrFussel: Checked coords on join? It sounds like the 0,0,0 bug to me.
20:21 GreenDimond 0,0,0 was fixed in 0.4.15 right?
20:21 Shara Should be.
20:22 Shara But needs server update. Which client you use won't matter.
20:22 IhrFussel Shara, yes 0,-0.5,0 is the position but new is that the player sees only gray...AFAIK the older bug is "player sees the map but can't move"
20:22 Shara IhrFussel: From my experience, it's grey for a time, then moves to normal colour.
20:23 Shara But difficult for me to judge, as even at its worse I don't ever get the bug for more than a second myself.
20:23 IhrFussel Shara, it's been over 20 minutes now...also my server is on the (almost) newest version like I said I compiled it Dec 18 from github
20:24 Shara Some players used to tell me they had these kinds of wait times as well.
20:24 Shara Will see if I can connect there though. Curious now
20:24 GreenDimond i have never had grey on redcat.
20:24 GreenDimond have had on other servers long time ago tho
20:24 IhrFussel It won't happen to all players..it's random it happened to me yesterday on Android, now it's happening to a player with PC
20:24 Shara Grey on RC was normal for me. For about a half second.
20:25 Shara IhrFussel: Straight in with no grey
20:25 IhrFussel Cause it only happens sometimes
20:26 Shara Don't know what else it could be other than same 0,0,0 bug
20:26 IhrFussel Shara, now he says it works again without restart
20:27 Shara No idea then :)
20:27 IhrFussel He says he reconnectet 10 times and it suddenly loaded again
20:28 Shara With any luck new version fixes it for you anyway.
20:29 IhrFussel I doubt it unless it was fixed in the last 5 days
20:31 Fixer GreenDimond: right
20:31 Fixer alsk
20:31 Fixer also
20:31 GreenDimond right?
20:31 Fixer if you have 0 0 0 bug on 0.4.15 - UPDATE your mods
20:32 Fixer mods also got fixes for 0 0 0
20:32 Fixer default, bags, unified inventory, armor
20:32 GreenDimond bags?
20:32 GreenDimond oh that was merged?
20:32 Shara Bug was related to inventories.
20:36 IhrFussel Mods can cause SUCH major bugs in the engine? Not sure how I should feel about that
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20:41 Fixer IhrFussel: some mods created lots of detached inventories, every player on join downloaded them ALL causing the 0 0 0 bug, now it is fixed in game and main mods, you download only your inventories
20:42 sfan5 IhrFussel: you need to update both the engine and your mods to fix the 0,0,0 bugf
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20:53 GreenDimond Something random: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsU3B0W3TMs
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21:23 Krock o/ MT 0.4.15!
21:24 agaran whereee?
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21:30 Krock agaran, hereeee
21:35 Fixer \\\\o
21:35 Fixer Krock: you are slow
21:35 Krock Fixer, yesteday I left a hour before it was released
21:35 GreenDimond Its been out since noon (pacific standard) yesterday :P
21:35 Krock and was busy today
21:43 * cheapie is making some progress on connecting luacontrollers to the internet
21:44 cheapie (in a reasonably non-abusable way, too)
21:44 cheapie And by "progress", I mean "I pretty much just need to make some textures now".
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21:53 cheapie As a proof-of-concept, I do have the "modem" working with a 9-line LuaC program to automatically download and install the latest version of my LTC-4000 traffic light controller firmware on the LuaC (using the new program() function that I've opened a PR for).
21:54 cheapie I have to head to work now, but the "modem" will likely be finished later tonight or tomorrow.
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22:00 GreenDimond cheapie: this will be part of mesecons mod?
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