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01:59 freelikegnu hiyo
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02:03 freelikegnu I'm trying to export a mob .b3d from blender but the animations dont seem to be working (no animation).
02:07 freelikegnu hmm will animation not work if I'm using IK?
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03:32 minetester hey guys, whats the best display pedestal/frame mod nowadays>
03:32 minetester ?*
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10:21 yusf[m] minetester: Probably the first here https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2​%9C%93&q=itemframes&type=R​epositories&ref=searchresults
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12:17 minetester yusf[m], thanks for the link earlier
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13:55 yusf[m] minetester: np
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14:44 IhrFussel Someone tell me how to hide tools from the creative inventory (unified_inventory) ... I can do groups = {not_in_creative_inventory=1} on nodes and entities but the same doesnt seem to work for tools
14:47 IhrFussel The tools i want to hide: https://github.com/JBBgameich/a​dmintools/blob/master/init.lua
14:49 IhrFussel I already removed the register_craft functions and tried to add groups = {not_in_creative_inventory=1} before the damagegroups
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16:03 sfan5 IhrFussel: does it work if you add groups={not_in_creative_inventory=1} before description?
16:07 IhrFussel sfan5, I'll try that
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18:01 garywhite I have a bug...
18:01 hoodedice is it a... ladyBUG?
18:01 emuPhone squash it
18:01 garywhite On Android, the client's text is all boxes
18:01 emuPhone weird
18:01 emuPhone don't have that problem
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18:02 emuPhone just that the guy doesn't fit
18:02 hoodedice do you think you have all the right locales? Can we get a screenshot? specs of the device?
18:02 hoodedice version number, etc
18:03 garywhite I tried to screenshot, but the shortcut turned off my tablet
18:04 hoodedice if the combination is volume key + power, press the volume key slightly before the power button
18:04 garywhite It's an Amazon Kindle Fire HD (2012 version), Android 4.0
18:04 emunand not guy, GUI
18:04 hoodedice found the American!
18:06 hoodedice you are using the official builds, correct?
18:07 garywhite yes
18:07 hoodedice try... reinstalling
18:08 garywhite ok
18:09 hoodedice Calinou!
18:09 Calinou hi
18:09 hoodedice how ya doing?
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18:09 garywhite that did it
18:09 Calinou hoodedice: fine
18:09 hoodedice guys, I fixed things
18:09 garywhite thanks
18:10 hoodedice put my name in the credits for the next build /s
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18:15 hoodedice hi Krock
18:15 Krock o/ hoodedice
18:17 hoodedice \o
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20:16 Fixer \   o   /
20:16 * Fixer after playing brogue
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21:18 MinetestBot [git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Android: Workarounds for Googles completely broken NDK 70579dc https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commi​t/70579dc7c3e76da109d8f99eeeffccff6ea5713b (2016-12-22T21:17:54Z)
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21:35 MinetestBot [git] Zeno- -> minetest/minetest: Final update to credits before release d346875 https://git.io/v1jrG (2016-12-22T21:34:48Z)
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21:57 MinetestBot [git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Continue with 0.4.15-dev 7b0d934 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commi​t/7b0d934ea1a8cee1c00913fb157786e3ae1d1fb7 (2016-12-22T21:52:15Z)
21:57 MinetestBot [git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Bump version to 0.4.15 1142157 https://git.io/v1j6y (2016-12-22T21:52:15Z)
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22:16 MinetestBot [git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Bump version to 0.4.15 231ac33 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commi​t/231ac33d34dfaaddf292c5f31b1eae43eeefba2d (2016-12-22T22:14:17Z)
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22:32 Topic for #minetest is now Welcome to #minetest, official Minetest channel | Latest version: 0.4.15 (2016-12-22) | Responses may take a while, be patient | Rules: http://wiki.minetest.net/IRC#Rules | Development: #minetest-dev | Server list: http://minetest.net/servers | IRC logs: http://irc.minetest.net/minetest/
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22:44 GreenDimond when will ppa:minetestdevs/stable be updated?
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22:49 Guest1535 Client: HexChat 2.12.0 • OS: Ubuntu "trusty" 14.04 • CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz (2.99GHz) • Memory: Physical: 961.1 MiB Total (449.1 MiB Free) Swap: 2.0 GiB Total (1.5 GiB Free) • Storage: 53.4 GB / 139.6 GB (86.2 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller @ Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ/P/PL Memory Controller Hub • Uptime: 14h 6m 9s
22:49 Fixer nice
22:49 Guest1535 oops
22:49 GreenDimond anyone when will ppa:minetestdevs/stable be updated?
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22:49 Guest1535 I'm only using this to watch the comments (like RSS feed
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23:02 GreenDimond when will ppa:minetestdevs/stable be updated?
23:03 Fixer omg
23:03 emunand never
23:03 Fixer some morons spammed our forum
23:03 GreenDimond not tru emu xD
23:03 Fixer urgent: ban https://forum.minetest.net/memberli​st.php?mode=viewprofile&u=20312 / big spam
23:04 emunand put it in the dev chat
23:04 emunand i don't think the devs look here
23:04 GreenDimond my god...
23:04 Fixer dev is not for forum
23:05 emunand og
23:05 GreenDimond 4 pages of that crap!
23:05 emunand i do not see it
23:06 GreenDimond https://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?f=17
23:06 GreenDimond you can only access it if you have forum account
23:06 emunand i have one
23:06 GreenDimond then follow link
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23:07 GreenDimond he is STILL doing it!!!!!
23:07 emunand capcha for posting now
23:07 GreenDimond every time i refresh there is a new one!
23:07 emunand just like the chans
23:10 GreenDimond stan5
23:11 GreenDimond or any forum moderator.
23:12 Calinou forum seems down?
23:12 GreenDimond nope
23:12 GreenDimond spammer
23:12 GreenDimond major spammer
23:12 Calinou well, it's not replying here
23:12 GreenDimond oh my
23:12 GreenDimond well there was 4+ pages of advertisment posts.
23:12 Fixer Calinou: is down for me too
23:13 Fixer ad trash
23:13 GreenDimond this guy legit posted one post every min
23:13 GreenDimond or per 30 sec
23:13 GreenDimond and they were pretty darn long posts too
23:13 emunand he crashed the forums
23:13 emunand nicely done
23:14 emunand time for capcha per post
23:14 emunand gateway time out now
23:14 GreenDimond Funny. Right when 0.4.15 come out xD
23:15 emunand minetest.net is also down
23:15 GreenDimond WHAT?!?!?!
23:15 emunand yep
23:15 GreenDimond nope :P
23:15 emunand for me it is
23:15 GreenDimond im there rn.
23:15 emunand it says my commection is not secure
23:15 GreenDimond mine is fine xD
23:15 emunand weird
23:16 emunand thanks firefox
23:16 GreenDimond im on firefox as well....
23:16 emunand weird
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23:16 GreenDimond forums are back!
23:16 emunand maybe it's https everywhere
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23:17 GreenDimond hes STILL goin at it!
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23:17 GreenDimond wait...
23:17 GreenDimond last one posted was before forum down :P
23:17 GreenDimond lets hope that stopped him
23:18 GreenDimond NOPE. back at it again.
23:18 emunand well atleast he was posting in offtopic
23:18 Calinou banned them, however I don't have the permissions to delete all their posts at once
23:18 GreenDimond tell stan5 or c55. they can right?
23:19 emunand 116 posts
23:19 GreenDimond yeah....i saw....
23:19 emunand and joined yesterday
23:19 emunand maybe a planned attack?
23:19 GreenDimond probly.
23:20 GreenDimond lets hope he doesnt show up with a different name.
23:20 emunand added him as a foe
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23:24 emunand why do i keep on spawning in the ground in Minetest singleplayer?
23:24 emunand am i born dead?
23:24 GreenDimond no.
23:24 GreenDimond spawned in a monutain probly
23:24 GreenDimond *mountain
23:24 emunand yeah, i did
23:24 emunand weird
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23:26 GreenDimond hey Calinou , do happen to know when ppa:minetestdevs/stable will be updated?
23:28 Calinou GreenDimond: nope
23:30 Fixer GreenDimond: very soon
23:31 Fixer GreenDimond: done https://launchpad.net/~minete​stdevs/+archive/ubuntu/stable
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23:34 Wuzzy 0.4.15 is out!!1 yay
23:34 juhdanad On Minetest's website the torches should be 3D from now on.
23:35 Calinou yes, the screenshots will be updated, also more may be added
23:35 Calinou (as much as Wuzzy will dislike this :P), I can add a lightbox plugin as well
23:35 Wuzzy ugh.
23:35 Calinou https://sachinchoolur.github.io/lightgallery.js/ is quite nice
23:35 Wuzzy not more javascript :(
23:36 Calinou it has everything we need
23:36 Calinou Wuzzy: IIRC it gracefully falls back
23:36 Wuzzy why do web developers always have  so much disgegard for standards
23:36 Calinou user experience :)
23:36 Calinou as an user, I dislike it when I click on an image and end on another "page"
23:36 Calinou having to use the (sometimes nonexistent now) back button
23:37 Wuzzy complain to the browser vendor then
23:37 Calinou lightboxes have been a thing for 10 years or so now
23:37 Wuzzy what i hate about the web is that webmasters want to do EVERYTHING
23:38 juhdanad On forums users do most things.
23:38 emunand i think that javascript is really important for ui
23:38 emunand just like css
23:38 emunand you can't have a good website without js
23:38 Wuzzy bullshit
23:39 Calinou yeah it's pretty hard nowadays
23:39 emunand 0% bullshit
23:39 Calinou Wuzzy: so far, most modern policies have been "give more power to developers"
23:39 emunand how will you make your website look like ipfs.io?
23:39 Calinou Vulkan, static/bundled libraries, CSS/JS
23:39 emunand without js
23:39 Wuzzy you cant have a good website without content
23:39 Calinou some good JS-using websites have content :)
23:40 Calinou Wikipedia uses JS for lots of things
23:40 Wuzzy at least it works without JS, so its not mandatory
23:40 emunand zeronet uses js and html webpages
23:41 Wuzzy emunand: the question is: WHY should i make a website want to look like ipfs.io?
23:41 Wuzzy also: the answer is: CSS
23:41 Wuzzy i hate this hipster style with putting one HUGE dumb sentence on the frontpage with 0 informatino
23:41 Wuzzy not everyone is on mobile
23:42 emunand there is something called documentation
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23:42 emunand not everything is stored on one website, which is what i hate
23:42 Wuzzy thats not my point
23:43 emunand so you want to ditch js?
23:43 Wuzzy well i think js is often used when it is totally avoidalbe
23:44 Calinou some pretty basic features are still not available in most browsers
23:44 Calinou like, smooth scrolling to anchors
23:44 Wuzzy fix the browsers then
23:44 Calinou not gonna happen, it seems :)
23:44 emunand impossible with microsoft i guess
23:44 Wuzzy its crazy. web developers always try to fix the bugs in browsers
23:44 Wuzzy beat them with a stick until they comply
23:44 Calinou also yeah, it'll take a while for all users to drop IE entirely
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23:45 Wuzzy or just make more browsers... bring on the competition! :D
23:45 Wuzzy but the problem is
23:45 emunand sorry i meant Micro$oft Edge
23:45 Wuzzy making a browser is hard
23:45 Calinou Microsoft Edge is actively updated, IE is not
23:45 Wuzzy because the web is uber bloated :(
23:45 emunand time for decentralization
23:45 Calinou but the Web is standard
23:45 emunand already hosted my game on IPFS and ZeroNet
23:46 Wuzzy js is problematic because 1) it makes web more complex 2) it i executable code 3) is used to sniff away many details about your computer
23:46 Calinou Google Analytics and such can be blocked easily
23:46 Wuzzy and 4) browser by defautl happily and blindly executes all JS code it gets to munch
23:46 emunand more and more people are making their code open source too
23:46 emunand also: extentions
23:46 emunand like for firefox, NoScript
23:46 Wuzzy the problem is, JS is on by DEFAULT
23:47 Wuzzy and thus creates security nightmares
23:47 Wuzzy Ever heard of XSS?
23:47 emunand then don't let them happen
23:47 Calinou if JS was off by default, nobody would use it
23:47 emunand it's like Flash
23:47 Calinou also, content security policies are a thing
23:47 Wuzzy Exactly!
23:47 Calinou and XSS protection is also a thing in the back-end; any serious person does it
23:47 Wuzzy Js is not like flash. but flash is even worse.
23:48 Wuzzy does firefox have xss protection? does MS Edge have it? chrome? etc
23:48 Fixer Wuzzy: everything is shit, just accept it, we are living in shit, everything is shit %)
23:48 emunand firefox and chrome does
23:48 emunand not sure about ie
23:48 Wuzzy Fixer: You're my hero.
23:48 Wuzzy how do they proteect againt xss?
23:48 emunand we can change that shit into something else
23:48 Fixer shitty users, shitty developers, shitty software, hardware, UI, countries, continents, blabla
23:49 emunand shitty universe
23:49 Wuzzy hey, the users are probebly the least shit here. :P
23:49 emunand moving to the next multiverse, see ya
23:49 Fixer people will rather slap TONS of JS SHIT to display 10 lines of text :(
23:49 emunand atleast for the people who understand what this is
23:49 Calinou Wuzzy: XSS protection is done in the back-end mostly
23:49 Wuzzy back-end? of what
23:50 emunand most kids download this on the app store as a minecraft clone
23:50 Calinou Wuzzy: PHP, Python, whatever
23:50 Wuzzy u mean on the server, right?
23:50 Calinou yes
23:50 emunand remember when archive.is was compromised once?
23:50 Wuzzy well then thats just shit. if you pwn the server u also probably pwn the visitory
23:52 Calinou if you keep good security practice, getting pwned is pretty rare
23:52 emunand im just going to use lynx from now on
23:52 emunand goodbye css
23:52 Calinou of course if you MD5-hash passwords, it won't be a thing :)
23:52 Wuzzy Well, one good security practice is to lower the attack surface
23:52 Wuzzy JS is one such attack surface
23:52 Calinou it simply removes too much functionality
23:52 Wuzzy what bothers me is that browsers happily and blindly execute untrusted code
23:53 Wuzzy it could come from anywhere
23:53 Fixer Wuzzy: use noscript
23:53 Wuzzy and it does it all the time
23:53 Fixer *in firefox
23:53 emunand which is why there are things like noscript
23:53 emunand problem solved
23:53 Wuzzy i already do. but not everyone is that smart
23:53 Wuzzy why should we expose users to this danger by *default*
23:54 juhdanad The Minetest website does not contain any user content, so javascript would be safe there, I think.
23:54 emunand tbh if you arent smart enough to know about noscript, you probably just use facebook and youtube
23:54 Wuzzy juhdanad: until the website gets pwned, that is
23:54 Wuzzy yay lets always blame the user
23:55 Wuzzy make browsers insecure by default, then blame the user if something goes wrong -_-
23:55 juhdanad But if the website gets pwned, the attacker can inject javascript if it was not there before.
23:55 emunand if you visit an unprotected website, it's your fault
23:55 Wuzzy emunand: 99% of the web is untrusted/unknown/unprotected
23:55 emunand also https is a thing
23:55 emunand 99%?
23:55 Fixer just disconnect from net and you will be totally safe
23:55 Wuzzy esp. unknown :)
23:55 emunand cut off electricity
23:55 Fixer i'm more worried about assholes in the government
23:56 emunand remove social security number
23:56 Wuzzy now we're getting somewhere :D
23:56 emunand live on a remote island
23:56 Wuzzy with no internet? ;-(
23:56 emunand yes
23:56 Fixer nearby countries already trying hard to control speech on the internet
23:56 Wuzzy im fine with internet i just hate the web :D
23:56 emunand or get satellite internet
23:56 Fixer also DPI, blocking of sites
23:57 Wuzzy can you delete a country?
23:57 emunand vpns could be used
23:57 emunand also stuff like ZeroNet and ipfs
23:58 emunand what do you guys think will succeed in decentralizing the web?
23:58 emunand IPFS or ZeroNet?
23:58 GreenDimond back. i was afk.
23:58 Fixer MTM attacks
23:58 Fixer my neighbouring countries have high interesting in silencing people on the internet
23:58 emunand i feel like zeronet has a lead because it has more users and is being worked on more than ipfs
23:59 Wuzzy emunand: i dont know
23:59 Fixer emunand: not good, not much people will use it
23:59 Wuzzy i dont even know if the web will be succeeded at all. but I really really hope it will happen someday
23:59 Fixer imagine Internet as a only free speech place in authoritarian country
23:59 GreenDimond i try running sudo apt-get upgrade minetest gives me i already have latest. how do i upgrade one from repo?
23:59 emunand i feel like its going to happen soon
23:59 Wuzzy a autharitaritan country probably not even has internet :)
23:59 emunand its not on the repo yet

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