Time Nick Message 00:18 octacian rubenwardy: what's the point of turtleminer.run_command? 00:19 octacian nvm, I see the point. avoids repetitive code for playing the sound. 00:24 TommyTreasure checking to see if i have voice 00:25 TommyTreasure yes! has anyone found a solution to get rubber trees working with moretrees and ethereal? 00:30 TommyTreasure i've tried changing default:dirt_with_grass to ethereal:green_dirt and again to ethereal:grove_dirt in moretrees/biome_defs.lua, and still no rubber trees. 01:53 garywhite I just tried to see if anyone on the offtopic ubuntu channel would be interested in MT, but the concensus there is...not good. 01:55 longerstaff13 heh 02:00 swift110 hey garywhite 02:00 garywhite hi swift110 02:00 swift110 garywhite: just make a video of you playing it 02:01 garywhite Yeah...I'm no good at shooting videos 02:17 swift110 garywhite: well learn 02:27 whitephoenix OBS is ez 02:33 garywhite I do have software that allows me to select a window to capture video from 02:33 kaeza recordmydesktop? 02:38 emuNandPC sorry about emuPhone 02:39 emuNandPC anyways is there a trailer for minetest yet? 02:39 emuNandPC i was thinking of making one based on Varidae's old minecraft trailer 02:41 emuNandPC https://youtu.be/m_yqOoUMHPg 02:41 emuNandPC like this 02:41 emuNandPC except with the music from the realistic sounds mod 02:41 whitephoenix I wonder how many times I'll need to recompile my kernel to get minetest to work 02:42 emuNandPC depends on what you are using 02:42 whitephoenix gentoo, so probably about 5 02:46 sofar OBS studio works great for me 02:57 octacian emuNandPC: I'd be happy to help make a trailer :D 02:59 emuNandPC octacian: we could work on it next week 02:59 octacian sure! I'll be available much of the time then cause of Christmas break. 02:59 emuNandPC same here 03:00 octacian you know, that's kinda a lie. I'll be at my computer lots, but I won't be exactly not busy. 03:00 emuNandPC i kind of want to make it like the old minecraft trailer, but only with servers 03:00 emuNandPC maybe we could do something like that? 03:00 octacian what do you mean only with servers? 03:00 emuNandPC or just portray normal minetest 03:01 emuNandPC i mean we just visit random servers and have someone walk around and build their own stuff 03:01 octacian that sounds best to me. I think to showcase several mods would also be interesting. 03:01 octacian (what sounds best is to portray normal MT) 03:02 emuNandPC maybe we could do etheralNG? 03:02 emuNandPC i think that would be a good idea 03:02 octacian yeah! 03:02 octacian mesecons + digilines too maybe. It'd be a big thing for ppl coming from MC. 03:02 emuNandPC also pipeworks 03:02 octacian yes 03:03 octacian Maybe those four together. Then another set or something. 03:03 whitephoenix modding is a massive part of the game, just vanilla would be boring 03:04 octacian I think we should showcase a bit of vanilla, but spend at least 3/4 of the video on mods. 03:05 garywhite what are you guys talking about? 03:05 octacian garywhite: look up in the chat history... 03:06 whitephoenix gentoo broke again, I can't do this 03:06 garywhite I see... 03:06 emuNandPC just install ubuntu friendino :^) 03:06 whitephoenix doing arch 03:06 whitephoenix need rolling release 03:06 garywhite ubuntu friendino, neighborino 03:08 garywhite Well, just remember you can't record on servers usually without the owner's permission, & you have to turn off chat 03:09 octacian garywhite: wuh? I've only seen like one server like that lol. I personally don't get it, but I guess I don't play on many servers. 03:09 emuNandPC red cat is like that 03:09 emuNandPC you would have to ask Shara for permission 03:09 octacian why? 03:09 emuNandPC we could just host our own server and have someone build 03:10 octacian that's what I was thinking. 03:10 garywhite You can use my server...I'd have to turn off the non-working IRC mod cause I can't config it right, but it has all that stuff 03:10 emuNandPC sure, I will ask when we have time 03:10 garywhite It has mesecons and digilines/digistuff 03:13 emuNandPC what is digilines? 03:13 emuNandPC i haven't seen that yet 03:13 emuNandPC only mesecons 03:15 garywhite https://github.com/minetest-mods/digilines 03:16 garywhite That plus https://github.com/cheapie/digistuff equals a very cool digiline system 03:17 garywhite emuNandPC: ^ 03:17 swift110 hmm 03:17 emuNandPC alright i see 03:18 octacian ok, I'm out for the night, so good night people. emuNandPC: maybe we'll talk sometime Sunday. I'll be around much of the day, so... 03:18 * cheapie appears 03:18 cheapie emuNandPC: Digilines is a serial communication bus, basically. 03:18 cheapie It lets luacontrollers communicate with other luacontrollers, as well as other devices. 03:19 emuNandPC okay so it's like AE in Minecraft? 03:20 swift110 hmm 03:20 swift110 hey cheapie 03:20 cheapie Hi. 03:20 swift110 It would be so cool to play minetest in 3d 03:20 cheapie emuNandPC: I've never used that. 03:20 cheapie swift110: I think it supports that, if you have the hardware. 03:20 emuNandPC what is 3d? 03:20 emuNandPC i have never used it before 04:43 Pie-jacker875 is it normal for the minetest.net homepage to not have an ssl cert? 04:43 Pie-jacker875 tls or whateveer 05:04 est31 yes 05:05 ShadowNinja The host just hasn't gotten around to seeing up let's encrypt yet. 05:06 sofar certbot :) 05:06 ShadowNinja sofar: That's just an ACME client, LE's the service. 05:07 sofar ShadowNinja: yup, I was being a pedantic bastard :) 05:09 sofar aight, smarty peeps, how do I make an entity that is (1) invisible and (2) can be rotated and (3) I can attach a player to it that is NOT invisible, and (4) the entities selection box is invisible 05:09 sofar a sprite entity has no rotation, apparently? 05:09 sofar cube works, can rotate, but I can't make it invisible since then my attached player becomes invisible 05:10 sofar (sigh) 05:10 ShadowNinja sofar: Dear sir, if you're going to be a pedant, I must insist that you be correct. If you're wrong you're hardly being pedantic. 05:10 ShadowNinja :-P 05:10 sofar I suck at pedanting 05:11 sofar ooo, upright_sprite seems to work 05:12 ShadowNinja sofar: 1 and 2 can probably be done with just a tiny object with a transparent texture at worst, and rotation depends on what tire of rotation you want. 05:12 sofar so sprites ignore rotation 05:12 sofar but upright_sprite does not 05:12 ShadowNinja IIRC pan works but not tilt. 05:13 sofar so that works, and the sprite size can be tiny 05:13 sofar I just want it inside the player model 05:13 ShadowNinja Then pan should be all you need. 05:13 sofar :setyaw() works 05:15 sofar now it spawns in the wrong spot somehow, but that's something I should be able to figure out 12:28 VaultBoy OldCoder, you alive 15:45 whitephoenix0 testjam starts in 2:15 16:04 emuArchiver is there a way to make minetest load up in a set resolution instead of a tiny window? 16:04 whitephoenix --videomodes? 16:05 emuArchiver alright i will look into it 16:20 Krock emunand, there are minetest.conf settings to change the "width" and "height" (named exactly like that) 16:21 Krock the variables to change this manually in the setting file would be "screenW" and "screenH" 16:22 Krock but you'll also find it in the GUI under Graphics -> In-Game -> Advanced 17:26 jubalh so i took quite some time to build a very nice house 17:27 jubalh i wonder: is there a way to "export" it so i can have it on other worlds/maps too? 17:27 jubalh or is this what mods are for? 17:30 agaran you can try to use worldedit assuming you have enough privs on all servers in question.. 17:30 agaran and asuming it is installed there 17:31 sfan5 that is indeed exactly what mods are for 17:31 garywhite 30 minutes to TestJam 2016 17:38 jubalh sfan5: thanks, then i will need to learn how to write them :) 17:38 jubalh but guys: i try to convince my friends to drop minecraft for minetest but not having enemies turns them away :( 17:38 garywhite jubalh: You don't have to stop playing MC to play MT 17:40 jubalh i never started playing MC, i went straight to MT 17:41 garywhite I started with MT, I could only play the MC demo...I already pay $100+ to M$ for Windows, not paying another $25 for MInecraft 17:41 * Krock high fives jubalh 17:41 Krock garywhite, testjam.. the thingy about programming? 17:43 garywhite Krock: Yes. It's a modding competition that starts in ~20 mins, and goes until 10PM on Monday (Pacific/Los Angeles Time) 17:43 garywhite & the winner could walk away with nearly $100 in prizes 17:43 emunand garywhite: why are you still using windows then if you seem to hate them? 17:43 emunand and by them i mean micro$soft 17:44 garywhite emunand: I do a lot of work on my PC, and so (I believe this has UEFI) I don't want to take the risk rn of possibly screwing up a $500 computer 17:45 whitephoenix worse you can do is lose your data 17:45 whitephoenix which is still fairly unlikely, but backups 17:47 jubalh what a shame no minetest on the retropie 17:47 emunand garywhite: most likely your uefi has a bios mode which supports linux 17:47 jubalh well it is installable there but not by default integrated into the emulationstation gui 17:47 whitephoenix jubalh, you can install it, not sure how well it will perform though 17:49 whitephoenix 10 minutes until testjam begins 17:55 jubalh whitephoenix: question is from where to launch it 17:58 whitephoenix jubalh, open terminal, sudo apt install minetest, minetest to run it 17:58 jubalh well, running it from emulationstation would be nice 18:00 whitephoenix testjam 2016 has begun 18:06 jubalh where can i find some mod for animals/monsters/other people? 18:15 Krock !mod mobs redo 18:15 MinetestBot Krock: Mobs Redo [mobs] by TenPlus1 - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=9917 18:15 Krock ^ jubalh 18:23 jubalh so there are diffent ones? Krock 18:23 jubalh i also found this https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=8638 18:23 Krock yes, there are many different ones 18:23 jubalh its a bit of a hazard to gather all the mods and then install them, isnt there an easier way? 18:24 jubalh i saw that my distro has some in its package manager, i guess thats nice 18:24 IhrFussel agaran, hello there 18:24 Krock there used to be a mod store in the main menu. but it was so poorly programmed and maintained that it got removed 18:24 jubalh i see 18:24 Krock some mods also have this "bower" support.. however that one works 18:25 jubalh wont mods get added to the game after some time? 18:25 jubalh since some seem to be quite cool 18:25 jubalh or how does the game evovle? 18:25 Krock mods get added to the default game, minetest_game, yes. This recently happened with the carts mod 18:26 Krock SO with the upcoming 0.4.15 you will have carts in your inventory 18:26 jubalh cool 18:27 Krock jubalh, you might find these two tools useful: http://krock-works.16mb.com/MTstuff/modSearch.php and http://app-mtmm.rubenwardy.com/mods/ (+/- the same database entries) 18:27 jubalh so why is no mob mod added yet? because if there would be one in the game people wouldnt create 50 different ones, right? 18:27 IhrFussel But the game is still very barebones with JUST the default mods, there is no denying that 18:27 Krock https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1253 18:29 jubalh ah i like the high chance 18:29 jubalh lets hope it happens soon 18:29 Krock there used to be mobs hardcoded into the core source back in the beginning days of minetest. But they were a bit buggy and not extendable manually by server owners 18:29 jubalh i see 18:30 IhrFussel Krock, did you move the join/leave messages to Lua in the master branch now? 18:30 Krock mobs, as a mod, will most likely be added right after there's a mob API from C++ side 18:30 Krock IhrFussel, I didn't do that but someone else did 18:31 jubalh thats nice 18:31 IhrFussel I meant "you" as in devs :P 18:31 Krock https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/fb1406bdff6b906ae5a04c34fe58cc57aae6d31e 18:32 Krock yes. joinplayer was moved to lua, but not leave 18:32 IhrFussel It was annoying to modify the cpp files just to change those, I'm glad the next version I compile will be different 18:32 Krock err wrong commit 18:32 IhrFussel Ugh..why? 18:33 IhrFussel Oh I guess because the timeout handler is only available in c++ 18:33 Krock no, I was wrong. There was no movement of code because it already is in Lua 18:33 Krock https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/builtin/game/misc.lua#L89 18:33 IhrFussel Krock, wait you confuse me...so join and leave is in Lua now or not? 18:34 Krock It is, since https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/0b0075 18:34 Krock long time ago 18:35 IhrFussel I wonder how they did the "check if timeout" part 18:38 IhrFussel Ahh the person added another parameter to core.register_on_leaveplayer() 18:39 garywhite celeron55: Please delete this forum thread https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=15959 18:43 celeron55 garywhite: why; that gives good information to people 18:44 celeron55 especially the answer by endev15 18:44 agaran hi IhrFussel :) 18:46 IhrFussel Does anybody know if the current 0.4.14-dev made any major changes to the mod API since Aug? 18:47 IhrFussel By major I mean "mod breaking" 18:48 whitephoenix I don't think so 18:48 Krock garywhite, only spam topics/posts are deleted 18:49 Krock where would we go if all stupid things must be removed? 18:51 IhrFussel I kinda thought my MT version is from Oct but seems like it's from Aug o.o ... must've mixed something up 18:52 Krock I've lost the line a bit too... always using indev builds 18:52 Krock but it always feels like the last release was like a year ago (which is sometimes true) 18:53 IhrFussel Krock, yeah well...I'm not sure if it's a good idea to always update to the newest version on a server 18:54 Krock an update all two months seems fine to me 18:54 Krock except there was a significant bugfix/new feature 18:55 IhrFussel Should I wait for 0.4.15-dev? 18:56 garywhite IhrFussel you could wait for 0.4.15-stable, it comes out next week 18:56 Krock how about stable? 18:56 Krock *it should come out 18:56 IhrFussel Someone told me it's always better to use dev versions on servers 18:56 sfan5 IhrFussel: generally mod breaking changes are not supposed to happen 18:56 Krock IhrFussel, because it's more up-to-date. But only if the dev versions already contain important changes 18:57 IhrFussel Okay then: Will there be any ground breaking changes until next week? 18:58 sfan5 no 18:58 Krock no, due to feature freeze 18:58 IhrFussel But then it makes no difference right? If I compile 0.4.14-dev today I basically have a "0.4.15 stable" 18:58 Krock open fridge, put queued features in, close and do bugfixes. then unfreeze the stuff after release 18:58 agaran so next release will be delivered by santa claus in new decorated gift nodebox? 18:59 Krock agaran, if you're lucky.. who knows? :3 18:59 agaran I doubt I am enough lucky for that.. 19:00 sfan5 Krock: where's this feature fridge you're speaking of? :D 19:01 Krock good question actually. I think I've lost it somewhere 19:01 agaran feature fridge.. hmm shall it be nodebox with lots of metadata.. right? 19:02 Krock however, it seems to be open cuz it's damn cold in here 19:02 agaran well, what if it is closed, and that cold is just by imperfections in insulator? 19:03 Krock it has a recursive insulator. if it doesn't do its job you simply go back in time, say, revert. 19:04 agaran and git stash.. and git cherrypick? 19:04 Krock yeah, things like this. 19:06 Krock lovely.. how fast the discussions can drive off-road into nonsense talks :3 19:11 IhrFussel The only major bugfix I would like to have in my server version is https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/4847 but I doubt that will be ready for next week 19:12 IhrFussel (judging by some comments not all seem to agree it's important enough) 19:30 IhrFussel LazyJ, your account on my server was deleted by accident some time ago and now another player made one as "LazyJ" pretending to be you. I thought I'd let you know 19:31 LazyJ IhrFussel, thanks for the info. Heh. Someone is trying to impersonate me, eh? 19:32 IhrFussel Yes the player said stuff like "oh wow a lot changed since i last joined" and "what happened to my spawn" 19:33 LazyJ They probably saw my name on the Area protection at spawn and tried to scam you. 19:34 IhrFussel But don't worry I already know who it was (IP check commands are so helpful sometimes xP) and he apologized. Now I'm not sure what to do about the account...should I delete it? Or change the password? 19:35 agaran nuke it from orbit? 19:35 agaran that always helps for intruders..;) 19:35 IhrFussel If I delete it someone else might play the same game 19:35 agaran yes yes :) I know I am just silly.. 19:36 LazyJ I've been away from Minetest and keyboards and mice in general since early November. Something caused my right arm and hand to be in constant pain. Lost strength and dexterity in the fingers for about a month. 19:37 LazyJ Hmm... 19:37 IhrFussel LazyJ, do you feel better now? 19:37 Krock LazyJ, went to the doctor yet? 19:37 LazyJ Fingers are still stiff but the pain is gone. Can't afford a doctor. This is the US. 19:38 LazyJ I'll fire up my MT client and log in. I need to update my cache anyway. 19:38 Krock eww. So glad I'm in europe 19:38 garywhite Damn you Obamacare 19:39 Krock what? obamacare is good 19:39 IhrFussel Huh? USA has no statutory health insurance? 19:39 garywhite Yeah, basically "If you don't sign up for healthcare, we'll put a "fee" in your income taxes" 19:39 agaran IhrFussel: usa is quite different from europe.. 19:39 garywhite Thank goodness I have private insurance (Kaiser) 19:40 garywhite LazyJ go by one of those CVS MinuteClinic things 19:40 LazyJ Obamacare takes approximately 30% of my income, then I have to pay an additional 35% of my income before Obamacare helps pay for anything. 19:40 IhrFussel agaran, that is crazy...I've been to the hospital 3 times recently and visited about 10 different doctors...for free 19:41 garywhite LazyJ don't worry....The Annoying Orange says he's gonna repeal it 19:41 agaran IhrFussel: well not 'free' you pay for that in taxes... at least here 19:41 LazyJ So the 10% fine for not having Obamacare costs me less. 19:41 Krock Yeah, there are many people who have this problem, LazyJ. It sucks that there are no better paid jobs 19:41 IhrFussel Yes but I mean no direct payment to the hospital/doctor 19:41 Krock because healthcare is actually very helpful 19:42 agaran IhrFussel: well.. here healthcare costs are up to about half of your income.. cleverly hidden in different things/and such.. 19:43 Krock not possible to switch the company? 19:43 Fixer LazyJ: in my country social security was about 37% 19:43 IhrFussel Well I have no job currently so the only taxes I have to pay in Germany are the added value taxes (19%) 19:43 LazyJ Krock, aye. Businesses use welfare as a pay roll subsidy. In the US you can have a full time job but still need welfare to help pay for rent, food, and utilities but Obamacare still slams you with the deductibles. 19:46 LazyJ IhrFussel, I just tried to log into your server and received an invalid password message. Was the fake account deleted? 19:46 Krock indeed, big differences to europe 19:46 IhrFussel LazyJ, nope not yet...one sec 19:48 garywhite What do you guys think about a MT channel just for modding discussion? 19:48 agaran -ENOIDEA 19:48 garywhite ? 19:49 Krock three channels are enough, thanks. 19:49 Krock (not counting #-mods) 19:49 agaran garywhite: you don't know C, right? 19:49 garywhite No 19:50 garywhite OK, I'm out of ideas 19:50 agaran I have no idea, simply 19:50 agaran and there are some mod development channels I bet.. 19:51 garywhite I don't know code, I can't run a server properly. I'm right back @ square 1 19:51 agaran I don't have (public) server either so.. 19:53 garywhite I have a server, but I can't run it right. I can't even connect it to IRC properly 20:02 IhrFussel garywhite, connecting a v server / root server is much easier than using the home PC as server...which do you use? 20:04 garywhite v server 20:05 garywhite My ISP's got a datacap, so home server is really not a good idea in my case 20:06 IhrFussel And where do you have problems exactly? It likely can't be a port forwarding problem so that's out 20:06 garywhite Mainly connecting to IRC 20:07 MinetestBot 02[git] 04paramat -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Sounds: Edit some sound gains, mostly footsteps 1312b1541 https://git.io/v17jI (152016-12-17T20:02:40Z) 20:07 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sofar -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Furnace: Attempt to fix exploits 13e5c5c26 https://git.io/v17jL (152016-12-17T20:01:46Z) 20:18 garywhite emunand: Please post your issue in the minetest repository 20:36 Yruama_Lairba hello 20:37 Krock hi 20:39 emunandPC garywhite: what issue? 20:39 garywhite Um lemme find it again 20:40 garywhite game#1462 20:41 Yruama_Lairba i achieve a great exploit thanks mesecon and pipework : build an automatic digging machine :D 20:53 garywhite Huh, I crashed 20:54 agaran Yruama_Lairba: in 'technic' mod there is just 'quarry' for that.. 20:55 Yruama_Lairba i don't know this mod 20:55 agaran quarry can dig up to 8x100x8 nodes.. just require energy (also produced by other items provided by that mod) 20:56 agaran there are also grinders/furnaces etc, along with pipeworks one can make whole auto-factory 21:00 Yruama_Lairba agarant: i will see to compare 21:00 Yruama_Lairba it's difficult to manage mods, i see many dependecies 21:01 agaran yes sometimes it is 21:05 Yruama_Lairba i fear broken dependencies and mods collision 21:09 IhrFussel Can player:set_attributes() be used to hide the nametag via command in real time? 21:09 Yruama_Lairba my design have one advantage, it only require mesescon and pipeworks. I think it's more fequently enbled mods than other 21:10 agaran IhrFussel: I think so.. but I haven't tried.. 21:12 IhrFussel agaran, time to try out with my local client 21:16 IhrFussel Lol...kinda hard to test if I see no nametags in singleplayer haha 21:17 agaran yup, quite..difficult 21:28 kaeza greetings 21:29 agaran Hi Kaeza 21:29 garywhite Can anyone guess which Windows this is? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/iWrePYZX/windows.JPG 21:30 IhrFussel garywhite, looks like 2000 21:30 IhrFussel Or ME 21:30 garywhite With an XP taskbar? 21:30 mootpoint looked like xp to me 21:32 IhrFussel XP would be another choice yeah...I didn't see the 2000/ME/XP UI for many years x) 21:32 mootpoint to anyone that normally contributes to the default mod on minetest_game. can some body please explain to me why dirt_with_grass has a recipe for dirt and mese? along with a recipe for dirt with junglegrass? specifically why mese? that is ridiculously expensive for dirt_with_grass, especially since if i want it i can just let it convert normally. Is this a feature or a bug? 21:33 garywhite This is the answer https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/TDDnN9FS/The%20Answer 21:33 mootpoint wouldnt have thought 98. 21:33 garywhite Windows 98 SE (I refuse to run Me) 21:34 garywhite I installed a program that makes it look like newer versions of Windows 21:34 mootpoint arent you worried about security bugs with 98? 21:34 garywhite I only connect to the Web to download software from a trusted site, for example Firefox 21:35 garywhite & now it looks like Windows 7 https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/AlObfAvQ/98-7 21:55 IhrFussel Whats the flag for CMake again to enable the server build not client? 21:55 kaeza -DBUILD_CLIENT=0 21:56 IhrFussel kaeza, thanks =) 21:56 kaeza sure 23:49 Ducky Wow 23:51 Ducky Omg I can't change 23:51 Ducky It auto puts me as ducky :( every time after I change it I connect and it called me ducky 23:52 IhrFussel Why does the one-liner script by Calinou only fetch the version from August? 23:53 IhrFussel Build info: VER=0.4.14-dev-f092dac-dirty 23:54 IhrFussel Do I have to delete the old executable first in /usr ? 23:54 Ducky Idk 23:55 kaeza Ducky, you don't need to log out to change your name... 23:56 Ducky I know bit it auto sets me as ducky after I change it for my default name when I connect 23:57 kaeza which client? 23:57 kaeza lol empty CTCP VERSION 23:58 \g\ Ducky: /nick 23:58 \g\ oh right 23:58 \g\ that's weird 23:58 \g\ I haven't had problems with default nicks in a long time 23:59 \g\ actually, I never have 23:59 longerstaff13 she uses holoirc, like i do 23:59 Ducky I use holocaust but it normally doesn't botherr me but it's being a pain