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00:18 octacian rubenwardy: what's the point of turtleminer.run_command?
00:19 octacian nvm, I see the point. avoids repetitive code for playing the sound.
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00:25 TommyTreasure yes!  has anyone found a solution to get rubber trees working with moretrees and ethereal?
00:30 TommyTreasure i've tried changing default:dirt_with_grass to ethereal:green_dirt and again to ethereal:grove_dirt in moretrees/biome_defs.lua, and still no rubber trees.
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01:53 garywhite I just tried to see if anyone on the offtopic ubuntu channel would be interested in MT, but the concensus there is...not good.
01:55 longerstaff13 heh
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02:00 swift110 hey garywhite
02:00 garywhite hi swift110
02:00 swift110 garywhite: just make a video of you playing it
02:01 garywhite Yeah...I'm no good at shooting videos
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02:17 swift110 garywhite: well learn
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02:27 whitephoenix OBS is ez
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02:33 garywhite I do have software that allows me to select a window to capture video from
02:33 kaeza recordmydesktop?
02:38 emuNandPC sorry about emuPhone
02:39 emuNandPC anyways is there a trailer for minetest yet?
02:39 emuNandPC i was thinking of making one based on Varidae's old minecraft trailer
02:41 emuNandPC https://youtu.be/m_yqOoUMHPg
02:41 emuNandPC like this
02:41 emuNandPC except with the music from the realistic sounds mod
02:41 whitephoenix I wonder how many times I'll need to recompile my kernel to get minetest to work
02:42 emuNandPC depends on what you are using
02:42 whitephoenix gentoo, so probably about 5
02:46 sofar OBS studio works great for me
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02:57 octacian emuNandPC: I'd be happy to help make a trailer :D
02:59 emuNandPC octacian: we could work on it next week
02:59 octacian sure! I'll be available much of the time then cause of Christmas break.
02:59 emuNandPC same here
03:00 octacian you know, that's kinda a lie. I'll be at my computer lots, but I won't be exactly not busy.
03:00 emuNandPC i kind of want to make it like the old minecraft trailer, but only with servers
03:00 emuNandPC maybe we could do something like that?
03:00 octacian what do you mean only with servers?
03:00 emuNandPC or just portray normal minetest
03:01 emuNandPC i mean we just visit random servers and have someone walk around and build their own stuff
03:01 octacian that sounds best to me. I think to showcase several mods would also be interesting.
03:01 octacian (what sounds best is to portray normal MT)
03:02 emuNandPC maybe we could do etheralNG?
03:02 emuNandPC i think that would be a good idea
03:02 octacian yeah!
03:02 octacian mesecons + digilines too maybe. It'd be a big thing for ppl coming from MC.
03:02 emuNandPC also pipeworks
03:02 octacian yes
03:03 octacian Maybe those four together. Then another set or something.
03:03 whitephoenix modding is a massive part of the game, just vanilla would be boring
03:04 octacian I think we should showcase a bit of vanilla, but spend at least 3/4 of the video on mods.
03:05 garywhite what are you guys talking about?
03:05 octacian garywhite: look up in the chat history...
03:06 whitephoenix gentoo broke again, I can't do this
03:06 garywhite I see...
03:06 emuNandPC just install ubuntu friendino :^)
03:06 whitephoenix doing arch
03:06 whitephoenix need rolling release
03:06 garywhite ubuntu friendino, neighborino
03:08 garywhite Well, just remember you can't record on servers usually without the owner's permission, & you have to turn off chat
03:09 octacian garywhite: wuh? I've only seen like one server like that lol. I personally don't get it, but I guess I don't play on many servers.
03:09 emuNandPC red cat is like that
03:09 emuNandPC you would have to ask Shara for permission
03:09 octacian why?
03:09 emuNandPC we could just host our own server and have someone build
03:10 octacian that's what I was thinking.
03:10 garywhite You can use my server...I'd have to turn off the non-working IRC mod cause I can't config it right, but it has all that stuff
03:10 emuNandPC sure, I will ask when we have time
03:10 garywhite It has mesecons and digilines/digistuff
03:13 emuNandPC what is digilines?
03:13 emuNandPC i haven't seen that yet
03:13 emuNandPC only mesecons
03:15 garywhite https://github.com/minetest-mods/digilines
03:16 garywhite That plus https://github.com/cheapie/digistuff equals a very cool digiline system
03:17 garywhite emuNandPC: ^
03:17 swift110 hmm
03:17 emuNandPC alright i see
03:18 octacian ok, I'm out for the night, so good night people. emuNandPC: maybe we'll talk sometime Sunday. I'll be around much of the day, so...
03:18 * cheapie appears
03:18 cheapie emuNandPC: Digilines is a serial communication bus, basically.
03:18 cheapie It lets luacontrollers communicate with other luacontrollers, as well as other devices.
03:19 emuNandPC okay so it's like AE in Minecraft?
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03:20 swift110 hmm
03:20 swift110 hey cheapie
03:20 cheapie Hi.
03:20 swift110 It would be so cool to play minetest in 3d
03:20 cheapie emuNandPC: I've never used that.
03:20 cheapie swift110: I think it supports that, if you have the hardware.
03:20 emuNandPC what is 3d?
03:20 emuNandPC i have never used it before
04:43 Pie-jacker875 is it normal for the minetest.net homepage to not have an ssl cert?
04:43 Pie-jacker875 tls or whateveer
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05:04 est31 yes
05:05 ShadowNinja The host just hasn't gotten around to seeing up let's encrypt yet.
05:06 sofar certbot :)
05:06 ShadowNinja sofar: That's just an ACME client, LE's the service.
05:07 sofar ShadowNinja: yup, I was being a pedantic bastard :)
05:09 sofar aight, smarty peeps, how do I make an entity that is (1) invisible and (2) can be rotated and (3) I can attach a player to it that is NOT invisible, and (4) the entities selection box is invisible
05:09 sofar a sprite entity has no rotation, apparently?
05:09 sofar cube works, can rotate, but I can't make it invisible since then my attached player becomes invisible
05:10 sofar (sigh)
05:10 ShadowNinja sofar: Dear sir, if you're going to be a pedant, I must insist that you be correct.  If you're wrong you're hardly being pedantic.
05:10 ShadowNinja :-P
05:10 sofar I suck at pedanting
05:11 sofar ooo, upright_sprite seems to work
05:12 ShadowNinja sofar: 1 and 2 can probably be done with just a tiny object with a transparent texture at worst, and rotation depends on what tire of rotation you want.
05:12 sofar so sprites ignore rotation
05:12 sofar but upright_sprite does not
05:12 ShadowNinja IIRC pan works but not tilt.
05:13 sofar so that works, and the sprite size can be tiny
05:13 sofar I just want it inside the player model
05:13 ShadowNinja Then pan should be all you need.
05:13 sofar :setyaw() works
05:15 sofar now it spawns in the wrong spot somehow, but that's something I should be able to figure out
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15:45 whitephoenix0 testjam starts in 2:15
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16:04 emuArchiver is there a way to make minetest load up in a set resolution instead of a tiny window?
16:04 whitephoenix --videomodes?
16:05 emuArchiver alright i will look into it
16:20 Krock emunand, there are minetest.conf settings to change the "width" and "height" (named exactly like that)
16:21 Krock the variables to change this manually in the setting file would be "screenW" and "screenH"
16:22 Krock but you'll also find it in the GUI under Graphics -> In-Game -> Advanced
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17:26 jubalh so i took quite some time to build a very nice house
17:27 jubalh i wonder: is there a way to "export" it so i can have it on other worlds/maps too?
17:27 jubalh or is this what mods are for?
17:30 agaran you can try to use worldedit assuming you have enough privs on all servers in question..
17:30 agaran and asuming it is installed there
17:31 sfan5 that is indeed exactly what mods are for
17:31 garywhite 30 minutes to TestJam 2016
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17:38 jubalh sfan5: thanks, then i will need to learn how to write them :)
17:38 jubalh but guys: i try to convince my friends to drop minecraft for minetest but not having enemies turns them away :(
17:38 garywhite jubalh: You don't have to stop playing MC to play MT
17:40 jubalh i never started playing MC, i went straight to MT
17:41 garywhite I started with MT, I could only play the MC demo...I already pay $100+ to M$ for Windows, not paying another $25 for MInecraft
17:41 * Krock high fives jubalh
17:41 Krock garywhite, testjam.. the thingy about programming?
17:43 garywhite Krock: Yes. It's a modding competition that starts in ~20 mins, and goes until 10PM on Monday (Pacific/Los Angeles Time)
17:43 garywhite & the winner could walk away with nearly $100 in prizes
17:43 emunand garywhite: why are you still using windows then if you seem to hate them?
17:43 emunand and by them i mean micro$soft
17:44 garywhite emunand: I do a lot of work on my PC, and so (I believe this has UEFI) I don't want to take the risk rn of possibly screwing up a $500 computer
17:45 whitephoenix worse you can do is lose your data
17:45 whitephoenix which is still fairly unlikely, but backups
17:47 jubalh what a shame no minetest on the retropie
17:47 emunand garywhite: most likely your uefi has a bios mode which supports linux
17:47 jubalh well it is installable there but not by default integrated into the emulationstation gui
17:47 whitephoenix jubalh, you can install it, not sure how well it will perform though
17:49 whitephoenix 10 minutes until testjam begins
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17:55 jubalh whitephoenix: question is from where to launch it
17:58 whitephoenix jubalh, open terminal, sudo apt install minetest, minetest to run it
17:58 jubalh well, running it from emulationstation would be nice
18:00 whitephoenix testjam 2016 has begun
18:06 jubalh where can i find some mod for animals/monsters/other people?
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18:15 Krock !mod mobs redo
18:15 MinetestBot Krock: Mobs Redo [mobs] by TenPlus1 - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=9917
18:15 Krock ^ jubalh
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18:23 jubalh so there are diffent ones? Krock
18:23 jubalh i also found this https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=8638
18:23 Krock yes, there are many different ones
18:23 jubalh its a bit of a hazard to gather all the mods and then install them, isnt there an easier way?
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18:24 jubalh i saw that my distro has some in its package manager, i guess thats nice
18:24 IhrFussel agaran, hello there
18:24 Krock there used to be a mod store in the main menu. but it was so poorly programmed and maintained that it got removed
18:24 jubalh i see
18:24 Krock some mods also have this "bower" support.. however that one works
18:25 jubalh wont mods get added to the game after some time?
18:25 jubalh since some seem to be quite cool
18:25 jubalh or how does the game evovle?
18:25 Krock mods get added to the default game, minetest_game, yes. This recently happened with the carts mod
18:26 Krock SO with the upcoming 0.4.15 you will have carts in your inventory
18:26 jubalh cool
18:27 Krock jubalh, you might find these two tools useful: http://krock-works.16mb.com/MTstuff/modSearch.php and http://app-mtmm.rubenwardy.com/mods/  (+/- the same database entries)
18:27 jubalh so why is no mob mod added yet? because if there would be one in the game people wouldnt create 50 different ones, right?
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18:27 IhrFussel But the game is still very barebones with JUST the default mods, there is no denying that
18:27 Krock https://github.com/minetest​/minetest_game/issues/1253
18:29 jubalh ah i like the high chance
18:29 jubalh lets hope it happens soon
18:29 Krock there used to be mobs hardcoded into the core source back in the beginning days of minetest. But they were a bit buggy and not extendable manually by server owners
18:29 jubalh i see
18:30 IhrFussel Krock, did you move the join/leave messages to Lua in the master branch now?
18:30 Krock mobs, as a mod, will most likely be added right after there's a mob API from C++ side
18:30 Krock IhrFussel, I didn't do that but someone else did
18:31 jubalh thats nice
18:31 IhrFussel I meant "you" as in devs :P
18:31 Krock https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commi​t/fb1406bdff6b906ae5a04c34fe58cc57aae6d31e
18:32 Krock yes. joinplayer was moved to lua, but not leave
18:32 IhrFussel It was annoying to modify the cpp files just to change those, I'm glad the next version I compile will be different
18:32 Krock err wrong commit
18:32 IhrFussel Ugh..why?
18:33 IhrFussel Oh I guess because the timeout handler is only available in c++
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18:33 Krock no, I was wrong. There was no movement of code because it already is in Lua
18:33 Krock https://github.com/minetest/minetest/​blob/master/builtin/game/misc.lua#L89
18:33 IhrFussel Krock, wait you confuse me...so join and leave is in Lua now or not?
18:34 Krock It is, since https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/0b0075
18:34 Krock long time ago
18:35 IhrFussel I wonder how they did the "check if timeout" part
18:38 IhrFussel Ahh the person added another parameter to core.register_on_leaveplayer()
18:39 garywhite celeron55: Please delete this forum thread https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=3&t=15959
18:43 celeron55 garywhite: why; that gives good information to people
18:44 celeron55 especially the answer by endev15
18:44 agaran hi IhrFussel :)
18:46 IhrFussel Does anybody know if the current 0.4.14-dev made any major changes to the mod API since Aug?
18:47 IhrFussel By major I mean "mod breaking"
18:48 whitephoenix I don't think so
18:48 Krock garywhite, only spam topics/posts are deleted
18:49 Krock where would we go if all stupid things must be removed?
18:51 IhrFussel I kinda thought my MT version is from Oct but seems like it's from Aug o.o ... must've mixed something up
18:52 Krock I've lost the line a bit too... always using indev builds
18:52 Krock but it always feels like the last release was like a year ago (which is sometimes true)
18:53 IhrFussel Krock, yeah well...I'm not sure if it's a good idea to always update to the newest version on a server
18:54 Krock an update all two months seems fine to me
18:54 Krock except there was a significant bugfix/new feature
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18:55 IhrFussel Should I wait for 0.4.15-dev?
18:56 garywhite IhrFussel you could wait for 0.4.15-stable, it comes out next week
18:56 Krock how about stable?
18:56 Krock *it should come out
18:56 IhrFussel Someone told me it's always better to use dev versions on servers
18:56 sfan5 IhrFussel: generally mod breaking changes are not supposed to happen
18:56 Krock IhrFussel, because it's more up-to-date. But only if the dev versions already contain important changes
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18:57 IhrFussel Okay then: Will there be any ground breaking changes until next week?
18:58 sfan5 no
18:58 Krock no, due to feature freeze
18:58 IhrFussel But then it makes no difference right? If I compile 0.4.14-dev today I basically have a "0.4.15 stable"
18:58 Krock open fridge, put queued features in, close and do bugfixes. then unfreeze the stuff after release
18:58 agaran so next release will be delivered by santa claus in new decorated gift nodebox?
18:59 Krock agaran, if you're lucky.. who knows? :3
18:59 agaran I doubt I am enough lucky for that..
19:00 sfan5 Krock: where's this feature fridge you're speaking of? :D
19:01 Krock good question actually. I think I've lost it somewhere
19:01 agaran feature fridge.. hmm shall it be nodebox with lots of metadata.. right?
19:02 Krock however, it seems to be open cuz it's damn cold in here
19:02 agaran well, what if it is closed, and that cold is just by imperfections in insulator?
19:03 Krock it has a recursive insulator. if it doesn't do its job you simply go back in time, say, revert.
19:04 agaran and git stash.. and git cherrypick?
19:04 Krock yeah, things like this.
19:06 Krock lovely.. how fast the discussions can drive off-road into nonsense talks :3
19:11 IhrFussel The only major bugfix I would like to have in my server version is https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/4847 but I doubt that will be ready for next week
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19:30 IhrFussel LazyJ, your account on my server was deleted by accident some time ago and now another player made one as "LazyJ" pretending to be you. I thought I'd let you know
19:31 LazyJ IhrFussel, thanks for the info. Heh. Someone is trying to impersonate me, eh?
19:32 IhrFussel Yes the player said stuff like "oh wow a lot changed since i last joined" and "what happened to my spawn"
19:33 LazyJ They probably saw my name on the Area protection at spawn and tried to scam you.
19:34 IhrFussel But don't worry I already know who it was (IP check commands are so helpful sometimes xP) and he apologized. Now I'm not sure what to do about the account...should I delete it? Or change the password?
19:35 agaran nuke it from orbit?
19:35 agaran that always helps for intruders..;)
19:35 IhrFussel If I delete it someone else might play the same game
19:35 agaran yes yes :) I know I am just silly..
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19:36 LazyJ I've been away from Minetest and keyboards and mice in general since early November. Something caused my right arm and hand to be in constant pain. Lost strength and dexterity in the fingers for about a month.
19:37 LazyJ Hmm...
19:37 IhrFussel LazyJ, do you feel better now?
19:37 Krock LazyJ, went to the doctor yet?
19:37 LazyJ Fingers are still stiff but the pain is gone. Can't afford a doctor. This is the US.
19:38 LazyJ I'll fire up my MT client and log in. I need to update my cache anyway.
19:38 Krock eww. So glad I'm in europe
19:38 garywhite Damn you Obamacare
19:39 Krock what? obamacare is good
19:39 IhrFussel Huh? USA has no statutory health insurance?
19:39 garywhite Yeah, basically "If you don't sign up for healthcare, we'll put a "fee" in your income taxes"
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19:39 agaran IhrFussel: usa is quite different from europe..
19:39 garywhite Thank goodness I have private insurance (Kaiser)
19:40 garywhite LazyJ go by one of those CVS MinuteClinic things
19:40 LazyJ Obamacare takes approximately 30% of my income, then I have to pay an additional 35% of my income before Obamacare helps pay for anything.
19:40 IhrFussel agaran, that is crazy...I've been to the hospital 3 times recently and visited about 10 different doctors...for free
19:41 garywhite LazyJ don't worry....The Annoying Orange says he's gonna repeal it
19:41 agaran IhrFussel: well not 'free' you pay for that in taxes... at least here
19:41 LazyJ So the 10% fine for not having Obamacare costs me less.
19:41 Krock Yeah, there are many people who have this problem, LazyJ. It sucks that there are no better paid jobs
19:41 IhrFussel Yes but I mean no direct payment to the hospital/doctor
19:41 Krock because healthcare is actually very helpful
19:42 agaran IhrFussel: well.. here healthcare costs are up to about half of your income.. cleverly hidden in different things/and such..
19:43 Krock not possible to switch the company?
19:43 Fixer LazyJ: in my country social security was about 37%
19:43 IhrFussel Well I have no job currently so the only taxes I have to pay in Germany are the added value taxes (19%)
19:43 LazyJ Krock, aye. Businesses use welfare as a pay roll subsidy. In the US you can have a full time job but still need welfare to help pay for rent, food, and utilities but Obamacare still slams you with the deductibles.
19:46 LazyJ IhrFussel, I just tried to log into your server and received an invalid password message. Was the fake account deleted?
19:46 Krock indeed, big differences to europe
19:46 IhrFussel LazyJ, nope not yet...one sec
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19:48 garywhite What do you guys think about a MT channel just for modding discussion?
19:48 agaran -ENOIDEA
19:48 garywhite ?
19:49 Krock three channels are enough, thanks.
19:49 Krock (not counting #-mods)
19:49 agaran garywhite: you don't know C, right?
19:49 garywhite No
19:50 garywhite OK, I'm out of ideas
19:50 agaran I have no idea, simply
19:50 agaran and there are some mod development channels I bet..
19:51 garywhite I don't know code, I can't run a server properly. I'm right back @ square 1
19:51 agaran I don't have (public) server either so..
19:53 garywhite I have a server, but I can't run it right. I can't even connect it to IRC properly
20:02 IhrFussel garywhite, connecting a v server / root server is much easier than using the home PC as server...which do you use?
20:04 garywhite v server
20:05 garywhite My ISP's got a datacap, so home server is really not a good idea in my case
20:06 IhrFussel And where do you have problems exactly? It likely can't be a port forwarding problem so that's out
20:06 garywhite Mainly connecting to IRC
20:07 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Sounds: Edit some sound gains, mostly footsteps 12b1541 https://git.io/v17jI (2016-12-17T20:02:40Z)
20:07 MinetestBot [git] sofar -> minetest/minetest_game: Furnace: Attempt to fix exploits e5c5c26 https://git.io/v17jL (2016-12-17T20:01:46Z)
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20:18 garywhite emunand: Please post your issue in the minetest repository
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20:36 Yruama_Lairba hello
20:37 Krock hi
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20:39 emunandPC garywhite: what issue?
20:39 garywhite Um lemme find it again
20:40 garywhite game#1462
20:41 Yruama_Lairba i achieve a great exploit thanks mesecon and pipework : build an automatic digging machine :D
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20:53 garywhite Huh, I crashed
20:54 agaran Yruama_Lairba: in 'technic' mod there is just 'quarry' for that..
20:55 Yruama_Lairba i don't know this mod
20:55 agaran quarry can dig up to 8x100x8 nodes.. just require energy (also produced by other items provided by that mod)
20:56 agaran there are also grinders/furnaces etc, along with pipeworks one can make whole auto-factory
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21:00 Yruama_Lairba agarant: i will see to compare
21:00 Yruama_Lairba it's difficult to manage mods, i see many dependecies
21:01 agaran yes sometimes it is
21:05 Yruama_Lairba i fear broken dependencies and mods collision
21:09 IhrFussel Can player:set_attributes() be used to hide the nametag via command in real time?
21:09 Yruama_Lairba my design have one advantage, it only require mesescon and pipeworks. I think it's more fequently enbled mods than other
21:10 agaran IhrFussel: I think so.. but I haven't tried..
21:12 IhrFussel agaran, time to try out with my local client
21:16 IhrFussel Lol...kinda hard to test if I see no nametags in singleplayer haha
21:17 agaran yup, quite..difficult
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21:28 kaeza greetings
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21:29 agaran Hi Kaeza
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21:29 garywhite Can anyone guess which Windows this is? https://usercontent.irccloud-cd​n.com/file/iWrePYZX/windows.JPG
21:30 IhrFussel garywhite, looks like 2000
21:30 IhrFussel Or ME
21:30 garywhite With an XP taskbar?
21:30 mootpoint looked like xp to me
21:32 IhrFussel XP would be another choice yeah...I didn't see the 2000/ME/XP UI for many years x)
21:32 mootpoint to anyone that normally contributes to the default mod on minetest_game. can some body please explain to me why dirt_with_grass has a recipe for dirt and mese? along with a recipe for dirt with junglegrass? specifically why mese? that is ridiculously expensive for dirt_with_grass, especially since if i want it i can just let it convert normally. Is this a feature or a bug?
21:33 garywhite This is the answer https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn​.com/file/TDDnN9FS/The%20Answer
21:33 mootpoint wouldnt have thought 98.
21:33 garywhite Windows 98 SE (I refuse to run Me)
21:34 garywhite I installed a program that makes it look like newer versions of Windows
21:34 mootpoint arent you worried about security bugs with 98?
21:34 garywhite I only connect to the Web to download software from a trusted site, for example Firefox
21:35 garywhite & now it looks like Windows 7 https://usercontent.irccloud​-cdn.com/file/AlObfAvQ/98-7
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21:55 IhrFussel Whats the flag for CMake again to enable the server build not client?
21:55 kaeza -DBUILD_CLIENT=0
21:56 IhrFussel kaeza, thanks =)
21:56 kaeza sure
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23:49 Ducky Wow
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23:51 Ducky Omg I can't change
23:51 Ducky It auto puts me as ducky :( every time after I change it I connect and it called me ducky
23:52 IhrFussel Why does the one-liner script by Calinou only fetch the version from August?
23:53 IhrFussel Build info: VER=0.4.14-dev-f092dac-dirty
23:54 IhrFussel Do I have to delete the old executable first in /usr ?
23:54 Ducky Idk
23:55 kaeza Ducky, you don't need to log out to change your name...
23:56 Ducky I know bit it auto sets me as ducky after I change it for my default name when I connect
23:57 kaeza which client?
23:57 kaeza lol empty CTCP VERSION
23:58 \g\ Ducky: /nick <nick>
23:58 \g\ oh right
23:58 \g\ that's weird
23:58 \g\ I haven't had problems with default nicks in a long time
23:59 \g\ actually, I never have
23:59 longerstaff13 she uses holoirc, like i do
23:59 Ducky I use holocaust but it normally doesn't botherr me  but it's being a pain

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