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00:04 lambda-11235 I can't seem to plant wheat seeds. Whenever I right click they are momentarily place before going back to my inventory.
00:07 kaeza octacian, the user-visible part (i.e. HTML) does not matter. The client uses JSON at http://server.host/list
00:08 octacian kaeza: thanks.
00:08 kaeza make that https, of course :P
00:09 octacian wait, so if I were to for example put the list on my own server, I couldn't just put it on servers.endev.xyz, I'd have to put it at server.endev.xyz/list?
00:09 kaeza yes, you put the JSON list there. the web frontend can be anywhere
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00:11 kaeza octacian, there's also https://github.com/minetest/master-server
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00:12 octacian_ thanks.
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00:13 garywhite Can someone tell me how old 8a7dc83 is?
00:14 octacian_ garywhite: can't you look yourself? Look on GitHub.
00:14 garywhite idk where commits would be
00:14 octacian_ which repo?
00:14 mootpoint lambda-11235 what are you trying to plant them on?
00:15 garywhite minetest
00:15 garywhite Wait, found it
00:15 garywhite Have to click the # of commits at the top
00:15 octacian_ good
00:16 Fixer garywhite: 3 DEC 2016 i think
00:16 kaeza also https://github.com/minetes​t/minetest/commit/$commit
00:17 garywhite 2 December, so yup
00:17 kaeza or some git magic: https://xkcd.com/1597/
00:17 mootpoint kaeka: you have discovered my new favorite comic
00:22 lambda-11235 mootpoint: Dirt next to water.
00:22 mootpoint have you tried using a hoe on the dirt?
00:23 lambda-11235 mootpoint: Not yet. I'll try that.
00:23 mootpoint hit the dirt with a hoe then wait for it to turn 'wet' then plant again let me know if that helped
00:25 lambda-11235 mootpoint: That worked. Thanks!
00:25 mootpoint your welcome glad i could help :)
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00:40 octacian_ kaeza: wait, so /list is stored in an actual file, which is just saved when things change?
00:41 kaeza octacian_, in the default implementation, it seems `/list` just fetches `/list.json`, yes
00:42 octacian_ ohk.
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00:42 kaeza you can implement it whatever way you want I guess (i.e. fetch from DB, print a static list of servers, etc)
00:42 octacian OK, I'll figure it out.
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01:50 garywhite Does anyone know if it would be possible to remove someone's ability to have creative on a creative mode server?
01:51 octacian garywhite: there is a mod that does it, I think it's called creativeswitcher. It's not very good though.
01:52 garywhite ok
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03:00 STHGOM is there a "creative" priv? i forget
03:02 est31 I think so
03:05 garywhite Yes
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03:07 STHGOM ok
03:07 STHGOM so, does anyone else have this problem with the "wiki" mod?
03:07 STHGOM 2016-12-14 03:03:22: ERROR[Main]: bad argument #2 to '?' (string expected, got function)
03:08 STHGOM [C]: in function 'open'
03:08 STHGOM | /mods/wiki/oshelpers.lua:13: in function 'mkdir'
03:09 STHGOM the line is: local f = io.open(dir..DIR_SEP..".dummy")
03:10 STHGOM if i understand right "DIR_SEP" is the second argument it is referring to?
03:12 STHGOM hm
03:13 STHGOM or is it something else?
03:13 STHGOM shall i paste the file?
03:16 STHGOM its a fresh install from git
03:23 kaeza somebody actually uses wiki mod :O
03:23 kaeza it really need updating to 0.4.14/15
03:24 STHGOM ok
03:24 STHGOM its a nice mod
03:25 kaeza STHGOM, I'm busy with other stuff right now, but will update it in the next days
03:25 kaeza sorry :/
03:25 STHGOM no problem
03:26 STHGOM no rush, so thanks a lot!
03:26 kaeza sure :)
03:29 redblade god i just dont get it
03:29 redblade why do so many of these kids log on and then bitch about "the f word"
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03:30 redblade when i was little i always wanted to say bad words and then got in trouble
03:30 redblade why is it different now?
03:30 redblade so many kids leave or get angry if you say a swear word
03:31 redblade in this case, i have the jukebox mod with christmas music including a funny punk rock song "merry stupid fucking christmas"
03:31 redblade and then there's my light-up whorehouse with vaporwave music
03:31 redblade but i've never heard of kids being so offended by swear words
03:32 redblade parents are supposed to be offended and get angry with the kids, aren't they?
03:32 redblade what has changed
03:32 nm0i__ Let's play a game.
03:32 nm0i__ "why do so many of these kids log on and..."
03:32 redblade and do any other server owners have problems with kids upset with swear words?
03:32 nm0i__ Yes
03:33 redblade then it isnt just me
03:33 redblade what is wrong with kids today?
03:33 redblade (i dont know if the person with regard to the christmas song was a kid but a lot of kids do get offended when someone swears)
03:34 nm0i__ Some of them upset people use "Hell".
03:34 redblade wow
03:34 redblade i was allowed to say that
03:34 nm0i__ say I few times made wold announcment that satanism is allowed.
03:34 nm0i__ Lost few regular kids.
03:34 ReadySetWait redblade how old are you?
03:34 redblade 32
03:34 ReadySetWait don't lie
03:34 redblade and i have a sick sense of humor
03:34 redblade and am bipolar
03:35 redblade all i ask is that people dont annoy each other, as in trolling or pissing people off
03:35 redblade but that has nothing to do with mentioning a punk rock song with a swear word in the name
03:36 redblade i asked my brother in law, he's a teacher and former principal, and he said that being bothered by swear words is indicative of problems in the home
03:36 redblade but it can't be so many people
03:37 redblade there is also a south park song on the christmas disc
03:37 redblade here is the song in question
03:37 redblade https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yb2IF_sjE9w
03:37 redblade it's funny
03:40 nm0i__ Put "[21+] Erotic roleplay server" into server_name, that will cure your problems.
03:41 sofar I'd play on a server like that in a heartbeat
03:41 redblade wtf?
03:41 sofar just knowing there's no 5yr olds around? priceless
03:41 redblade i'm not going to be responsible for something like that
03:41 redblade nor am i interested
03:42 redblade look, i dont care if kids leave because they dont like bad language or sick humor
03:42 STHGOM as if putting [21+] would put off kids :P
03:43 redblade i just think it's strange
03:43 redblade but yes there are juvenile things like a light-up "FUCK" someone built
03:43 redblade and i mentioned my mesecons strip club
03:43 sofar well there are appropriate amounts of bad language
03:43 sofar and then there is too much
03:43 sofar everything is good in moderation
03:44 sofar yelling fuck once in a while helps
03:44 sofar yelling it every 5 minutes? not
03:44 redblade i dont care, as long as it's not "fuck you", teleporting to you, and dropping a travelnet while you're building
03:45 redblade in fact there was a user like that who i wound up having to ban all of sao paolo via iptables to get rid of him
03:45 sofar typical generation X (that's a joke)
03:46 redblade well i'm gen y but i'm one of the older gen y, born 1984
03:47 redblade i think gen y starts in 1981
03:47 nm0i__ You're so special you don't belong to any generation.
03:48 sofar he's redblade, period
03:48 redblade lol nm0i__
03:48 sofar she?
03:48 redblade he
03:48 sofar maybe I offended them by using he/she
03:48 * sofar giggles
03:48 redblade absolutely not
03:48 sofar I hear some crazy stuff from kids coming out of college nowadays though
03:49 sofar "everyone is butthurt"
03:49 sofar anal sex must be a new hype or something, or they don't know about lube
03:49 redblade on my twitter page summary, i have "political correctness is terrorism"
03:49 sofar I prefer factual correctness over political correctness
03:50 sofar but hey, I'm a socialist
03:50 redblade if you want to know more about my politics check out http://twitter.com/thebleakfire
03:50 redblade https
03:50 redblade but regardless
03:50 est31 one of the things i dont like about the rust community is that they have this "code of conduct" bs
03:51 est31 it only allows people with feminist and sjw world views to join
03:51 sofar I refuse to set a CoC for my OSS projects
03:51 redblade i didnt like trump either, and viewed hillary as a lesser evil, but when she lost, i was upset for a few days, but i sucked it up right away
03:51 redblade i'm not one of the politically correct whiners
03:52 sofar https://plus.google.com/u/1/+Auk​eKok/posts/PJpYYnQtQWV?sfc=true
03:52 redblade and again i view political correctness as a form of terrorism
03:52 est31 one of the things i think its funny is now all the hillary supporters chant how the elections got hacked by the russians
03:52 sofar est31: there's a different side to that story as well
03:52 redblade since you're using fear and intimidation to get people to act according to liberalism (as one would radical islam)
03:52 nm0i__ I'm alien invader and I eat babies.
03:52 est31 but when trump said the elections were rigged it was called "conspiracy theory"
03:52 redblade you know what?
03:52 redblade the election made perfect sense.
03:52 sofar I'd use the word "influenced" and that's certainly correct
03:53 redblade hillary wins the popular vote due to the cities
03:53 sofar and the dem party was targeted for sure
03:53 sofar wait, where are trumps tax returns?
03:53 est31 trump didnt pay any taxes, he even admitted it
03:53 redblade trump's message appealed to the rural areas which want the outsourced jobs back
03:53 est31 or sort of
03:53 redblade that gets trump the electoral college
03:53 redblade and the presidency
03:54 redblade and so far recounts have proved it
03:54 est31 its just a sad story that the corrupt democrat establishment was so sure of winning, they elected hillary as nominee
03:54 sofar oh BTW, the democratic party cheated republicans by getting them to enact the electoral vote system in an attempt to gain more influence in the presidency
03:54 sofar that's a historical fact
03:54 redblade now i know trump is about to destroy freedom of the press
03:54 est31 if sanders were nominee, he'd have won
03:54 est31 redblade: sjws want to destroy freedom of the press as well
03:54 redblade and i dont agree with "america first" especialyl to his extremes
03:54 redblade i know
03:54 nm0i__ Ok, you all got boring again.
03:54 est31 everything that is "fake" or "offensive" in their eyes should be banned
03:55 redblade see what i said above as to why political correctness is terrorism
03:55 * nm0i__ returns to home planet
03:55 redblade sjws are terrorists
03:55 est31 sjws dont kill people, but I dont like how they enforce their world views upon everyone
03:55 redblade i was rand paul and then ted cruz, then hillary clinton
03:56 sofar eh, the FBI has for long determined that the largest source of terrorism in the USA is southern white males
03:56 redblade est31: terrorists dont always follow through on their threats
03:56 redblade it's the same thing, less the violence
03:56 est31 and how they ask for tolerance towards people who are different (like gay or trans people) on one hand and are totally intolerant on the other hand if you disagree with them
03:56 sofar and there's plenty of those more now
03:56 est31 I mean, yes you should tolerate gay people and trans people, thats what a free society is about
03:57 est31 but you should also tolerate different opinions
03:57 redblade well, back to what we were talking about, these minetest players would probably be considered gen z, not gen y
03:57 sofar gen -A
03:57 sofar alphabet overflow :)
03:58 redblade and thank you for telling me this is a problem with them
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03:58 redblade because i've found it very strange
03:58 sofar I'd like to recall a story from my geology classes
03:58 sofar one of the first classes
03:59 redblade now seeing a light-up "FUCK" is funny for a few minutes. but if i was these kids age i would be laughing hysterically, not getting upset
03:59 sofar teacher comes out, starts talking about how the earth is 4.5bln years old
03:59 sofar and if you don't believe that, you should probably switch to another field of study
03:59 sofar and even then, in 1996, they had people who had left
03:59 sofar since they just could not accept that
03:59 redblade wow
04:00 est31 wow
04:00 redblade i dont think we ever even discussed that as a possibility
04:00 est31 sofar: you went to school in holland, right?
04:00 redblade how old were you?
04:00 sofar nobody left in my year
04:00 redblade i was 12 in 1996
04:00 sofar but it happened a few years before
04:00 sofar redblade: university, so early 20s
04:00 redblade oh you mean an elective
04:00 redblade oh ok
04:00 sofar est31: yes, Free University of Amsterdam
04:00 redblade i thought you were talking about kids leaving the room
04:01 redblade i thought literal  creationism only had a real presence in the us?
04:01 sofar left the entire faculty, one person did
04:01 sofar you can't study geology if you fail to accept basic science
04:01 est31 sofar: so you say there were creationists in holland 20 years ago? wow, thought this problem would only affect the USA
04:01 sofar you can't be a doctor if you think vaccines cause autism
04:02 sofar est31: most likely, conservative religious
04:02 sofar est31: not necessarily creationism, which didn't really exist back then
04:02 sofar but, try and teach someone C14 dating methods
04:02 sofar C14 has a half life of 4900 years or so
04:03 sofar here we see an organic sample that has 1/16 of the normal C14
04:03 sofar conclusion: it's 20k years old
04:04 sofar you can't deny global warming and at the same time poor thousands of dollars into coal exploration by hiring top geologists to find coal seams
04:04 sofar but the Koch brothers do just that
04:04 sofar no wonder respectable scientists aren't working with them anymore
04:04 sofar etc.
04:04 sofar but hey, I'm just ranting to mostly open minded people
04:04 est31 I guess money corrupts everyone
04:05 sofar there's no redneck kids from alabama charter schools that get fed creationism here
04:05 sofar apres moi le deluge
04:05 redblade bbl
04:06 sofar they're playing minetest though, on the non-21+ erotic RP servers :D
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05:06 redblade i'm going to bed, goodnight
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05:48 daspork young earth creationism crap is also big in asia FWIW
05:52 daspork i cant even do South Korea justice.... you should just look it up. The earth is 6000 years old, and Jesus hung out in Korea and japan...
05:53 daspork I love living in asia but its like a dumping ground for various cults who have been exposed in the west
05:53 daspork for something on topic, the lua API got a lot better since i last used it
05:53 daspork having a bunch of fun with i
05:53 daspork t
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06:30 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Cavegen: Wider tunnels in mgflat, mgfractal, mgvalleys f840839 https://git.io/v11xh (2016-12-14T06:28:45Z)
06:30 IhrFussel Can someone explain to me what the \b character does inside a formspec? Like one mod has an image and after it \n\n\b\b\b\b then a number...now if i remove the \b's will the number go to the right?
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09:23 tverrbjelke_ how can I find the "jump" feature of mobs in minetest...  -  look at line 41 https://github.com/Calinou/car​bone_mobs/blob/master/api.lua and compare that to the wiki description of minetest.register_entity() http://dev.minetest.net/register_entity I don't see any "jump" entry...  and it is incomplete. WHERE can I find the correct implementation spec of that function?
09:24 Calinou tverrbjelke_: "jump" is not a built-in register_entity property
09:25 tverrbjelke_ hm. But the mobs DO jump.
09:25 tverrbjelke_ And in the mod I cannot see "jump" implemented by themyselves. WHERE is that done?
09:25 tverrbjelke_ Calinou: I am surprised you are so fast responding! :-D
09:26 tverrbjelke_ actually I would like to dive a bit deeper in to the codebase...
09:26 Calinou look for velocity-setting functions, search for "velocity"
09:27 tverrbjelke_ Calinou: yesterday you said you test the mods by "running minetest". I then read that people are installing eclipse IDE and add lua plugin, and can debug / singlestep that way their code. Is that your workflow?=
09:27 tverrbjelke_ Ah. So jumping is done by "increase vel upward a bit?
09:28 Calinou I never do that, problem with IDEs is that they don't recognize Minetest workflow and API
09:28 Calinou tverrbjelke_: it's done by setting or increasing Y velocity, yes
09:28 tverrbjelke_ Ah. That is done inside mod?
09:29 tverrbjelke_ So mod adds "jump" field on registering, and then does the velocity stuff based on jump==true/false ?
09:30 tverrbjelke_ Calinou: So I understand you simply change mod-source and open world in minetest using that mod, and SEE what happens?
09:30 Calinou yes
09:30 Calinou game modding has pretty much always been "trial and error"
09:30 tverrbjelke_ minetest.log preferred over print?
09:30 Calinou tverrbjelke_: also yes, if jump is set to false it won't attempt jumping
09:30 Calinou print() is OK for debugging
09:31 tverrbjelke_ Where cvould I find teh implementation of the regiostering function (c++ side)?
09:31 Calinou register_entity?
09:31 tverrbjelke_ (I hope to better understand the stuff...)
09:31 tverrbjelke_ yes
09:31 Calinou just grep through the whole source code
09:32 Calinou btw, if you want faster grepping, https://github.com/BurntSushi/ripgrep
09:32 tverrbjelke_ if even the wiki states "incomplete page" I would look into original... c++ code?
09:33 tverrbjelke_ (wow, some unix command variant of grep? thx)
09:34 tverrbjelke_ so I simply clone minetest stable and grep for register_entity?
09:34 Calinou it's a Rust implementation of a grep program, completely independent and cross-platform
09:34 Calinou yes
09:35 tverrbjelke_ to the eclipse /debugging thing... I *could* try that? Or is operpowered gun for that simple tasks?
09:36 tverrbjelke_ (I am new to lua and would like to confirm things... e.g. via unit-testing - but that seems even larger gun... wonder how you do coding on minetest
09:39 tverrbjelke_ ok so http://dev.minetest.net/LuaEntitySAO defines some methods on velocity. Now I countercheck the code of  carbone_mobs
09:39 tverrbjelke_ - and THERE jumping is done, right?
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09:44 JamesTait Good morning all! Happy Wednesday, and happy International Monkey Day! 🙈 🙉 🙊
09:46 tverrbjelke_ what is the difference betweeen self.xyz and self.objec.xyz?
09:47 tverrbjelke_ I mean comparing this lines
09:47 tverrbjelke_ self.object:getvelocity()
09:47 tverrbjelke_ if self.drawtype == "side" then
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09:53 Calinou tverrbjelke_: Minetest coding is like most game modding, it doesn't use traditional tooling
09:53 Calinou unit tests are surely overkill for a mod
09:53 Calinou tverrbjelke_: jumping is done in Lua, yes
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13:11 tverrbjelke_ set_velocity = function(self, v)
13:11 tverrbjelke_ -- todo: where is drawtype = "side" and its corrections coming from?
13:11 tverrbjelke_ local yaw = self.object:getyaw()
13:11 tverrbjelke_ if self.drawtype == "side" then
13:11 tverrbjelke_ yaw = yaw+(math.pi/2)
13:11 tverrbjelke_ end
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13:14 tverrbjelke_ closest thing i foind was "If you want to use your mobs with mobf as well, rotate your model by 270 degrees. Else it'll move sideways." from https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=47&t=11434
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13:14 minitest hi wsup
13:15 minitest anyone knows a good roleplay mob or something with adventure content?
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13:58 IhrFussel Does the engine support .jpg textures? I have an image that I want to display on login, but it's 500 KB as JPG so I think it will be even larger when i convert it to PNG
14:01 sfan5 yes
14:01 IhrFussel sfan5, so JPG is supported just not recommended?
14:02 sfan5 you're better off using png for everything
14:02 sfan5 but jpg is supported in every irrlicht version
14:03 IhrFussel Well I agree when it's about actual textures cause those need to keep their details...my picture is just a 2D login image so it doesn't matter I think
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14:05 IhrFussel sfan5, another question: Will the engine scale the images shown via image formspec automatically?
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14:07 sfan5 dunno
14:08 IhrFussel I hope so cause you can't tell the engine to use px AFAIK
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18:54 MinetestBot [git] est31 -> minetest/minetest: Fix build with gettext enabled 0614da3 https://git.io/v1D8z (2016-12-14T18:52:33Z)
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19:53 whitephoenix reminder that testjam starts this saturday https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.ph​p?f=3&t=15999&p=242126#p242126
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22:02 Volkj hi, compiling minetest i noticed it complained about the missing of spatialindex, what does that do?
22:04 sfan5 speed some unimportant stuff up
22:07 Volkj nothing that can make a day/night difference so, installing the lib and recompiling - also, seems i get more stable fps using clang than gcc (30 fps vs 25~30), maybe related to my pc conf
22:09 sfan5 clang vs gcc performance is like directx vs opengl on windows
22:09 sfan5 sometimes it's better, sometimes it isn't
22:10 Volkj got it
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