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01:22 fuddie Hello, is there any way to stop water from falling with a block that a player can move through? like how Minecraft water elevators used to be done with signs?
01:25 XeonSquared What's the fastest I can run an ABM?
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01:35 est31 fuddie: use a sign ?
01:36 est31 or a torch
01:36 est31 or... idk
01:36 est31 there are lots of ways
01:36 VanessaE signs are LBM
01:36 VanessaE (well signs_lib is)
01:36 VanessaE oh wait, ignore that :P
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01:36 VanessaE XeonSquared: once per second, with 100% probability
01:37 VanessaE (chance = 1, interval = 1)
01:39 XeonSquared Hm, okay.
01:39 XeonSquared Well, guess I'm stuck with a 1Hz processor
01:40 fuddie oh lol
01:42 XeonSquared Maybe I'll just need to run more of them at once
01:42 VanessaE if you need faster, use on-globalstep
01:42 VanessaE but you have to do all your own event management then
01:43 VanessaE (when, how often, where, etc)
01:43 XeonSquared Eh
01:43 XeonSquared I sorta like the werid challenge
01:43 XeonSquared weird*
01:43 XeonSquared The way memory access works I could have 10 of them running the same instruction at once
01:44 VanessaE why not use a Lua Controller?
01:44 XeonSquared Because writing asm for a stack machine is more fun :3
01:44 VanessaE heh
01:45 whitephoenix I'm excited to see what people will make in the testjam modding contest
01:45 XeonSquared https://github.com/XeonSquared/test3d This is why I modified the nixie tubes by the way
01:45 XeonSquared They can now be used as memory
01:45 VanessaE that was already possible
01:45 XeonSquared easily and directly
01:45 VanessaE the dekatron tubes could do that
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04:09 octacian celeron55: form appears to be down. I get 505 gateway error.
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12:30 KikaRz When will the Translations be updated on the repo?
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12:34 Krock when a core dev runs the update script
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15:03 luizrpgluiz hi
15:09 Krock hi
15:10 luizrpgluiz Krock: :)
15:28 octacian hey Krock
15:28 Krock hey hey
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15:44 Gundul Kicked from hotel wifi :(
15:46 Gundul Keine Diskussionen miner und versuch mir nicht auf die Nerven zu gehen
15:47 Gundul Ups wrong channel :D
15:49 Krock Gundul, get yourself into #minetest-de please
15:53 octacian COME ON. NOT AGAIN.
15:54 octacian bbl... HDD is suddenly read-only again due to HDD failure. I should really switch to my SSD...
15:54 Krock happened to me from time to time. chkdisk on winblows solved it
15:55 Krock !tell octacian http://irc.minetest.net/min​etest/2016-12-11#i_4760776
15:55 MinetestBot Krock: yeah, sure, whatever
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16:07 MinetestBot octacian: Dec-11 15:55 UTC <Krock> http://irc.minetest.net/min​etest/2016-12-11#i_4760776
16:08 octacian Krock: nope, my HDD is actually failing. Just got dumped to initramfs where I could run fsck like I did last Sunday.
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16:09 Krock oh well, then you'll need to mirror it onto another drive
16:10 octacian I'm just undecided as to how much I should really mirror it... I'm thinking about just copying my home directory over, and will reinstall most other programs. Problem is, new SSD is smaller than HDD.
16:10 octacian oh, and btw, I'm not on windows.
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16:11 octacian ugh.. this is gonna take a bit of time.
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16:12 octacian especially having to reinstall things..
16:12 Krock a 100% mirror would prevent you from reinstalling :P
16:12 octacian IK... but SSD is 120GB and HDD is 300GB
16:12 Krock you can still delete things
16:12 octacian true
16:13 Krock (or move to another drive)
16:13 octacian Cause it's about time I do this, considering that my HDD was supposed to fail 6 months ago...
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16:13 octacian Yeah, I'll move some stuff to another drive. Got a 4TB External HDD sitting on my desk :D
16:13 rocx dang man.
16:14 rocx how much does something like that even cost you? the arm and leg of your first-born?
16:14 octacian Was on sale for somewhere around $180 CDN a while ago.
16:14 rocx sheesh.
16:15 Krock octacian, nice. I've got about the same space.. spread on about 20 drives
16:15 octacian lol
16:15 * rocx eyes his 400G disk.
16:15 octacian on the other hand though, I cannot believe my year old 300GB HDD is failing. ALREADY.
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16:16 octacian rocx: on the other hand, my tower would've cost a lot closer to your original guess...
16:17 Krock hmm.. I have no idea how old my HDDs are
16:17 Krock but they're older than 5 years for sure
16:17 octacian Krock: check SMART. it will at least tell you the total amount of time the HDD has been powered on.
16:18 octacian It's sad, I have a 1.5TB that came with my tower, but it's essentially failing too...
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16:19 Krock WDC drive (Data), 240 MiB: 8202 power ons
16:20 octacian lol my 4TB has only been powered on for 20 days.
16:20 octacian Krock: look for Power-On Hours
16:20 Krock WDC drive (OS), 150 MiB: 1022 power ons
16:21 octacian I should really learn how to use Unity3D again... Maybe.
16:21 Krock oh moment. the data drive has 1989 power cycles. the 8k value was for the power-on time count
16:21 * octacian looks through old Unity projects.
16:23 Krock so my data drive was on for 341 days and the OS drive for a holy amount of 816 days
16:23 octacian wow
16:23 octacian My failing HDD has only been on for a year...
16:23 Krock hehe
16:23 Krock quality is falling
16:23 tverrbjelke_ Calinou: thx for this amazing plugin with the sheeps and rats! I installed dreambuilder for my kids and adopted the code a bit so sheep now have 255hp and all evil is gone - peace for my kids world!
16:24 octacian yeah, that's probably part of it. maybe it was just a kinda falty drive in the first place, IDK
16:26 tverrbjelke_ Calinou: Waht I wonder is, the kids built a fence and put a tamed sheep inside. It jumped out, so now its 2blocks high. But eventually the sheep still escapes! How is that possible? It only happens when all are somewhere in the proximity of the fence doing other stuff and not watching.
16:26 rubenwardy !mod calinou mob
16:26 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Could not find anything.
16:26 octacian tverrbjelke_: I believe that sheep can jump on top of each other.
16:27 rubenwardy !mod calinou creatures
16:27 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Could not find anything.
16:27 Krock !mod creatures
16:27 MinetestBot Krock: Creatures MOB-Engine [cme] by BlockMen - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=8638
16:27 Krock oh
16:27 tverrbjelke_ octacian: muhaha! what a cool idea! But the sheep here in this fence is alone.
16:27 rubenwardy are you referring to https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=9656
16:27 rubenwardy !title
16:27 MinetestBot rubenwardy: [Mod] Mobs [carbone_mobs] – fast and simple mobs - Minetest Forums
16:27 rubenwardy I suggest using
16:27 octacian ..meaning they could get over a two, or even possible three block fence. tverrbjelke_: not just a cool idea, they already can.
16:27 rubenwardy !mod mobs redo
16:27 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Mobs Redo [mobs] by TenPlus1 - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=9917
16:28 rubenwardy instead as it seems to be more recently maintained
16:29 octacian tverrbjelke_: well, if it's alone, IRDK
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16:29 octacian I wish my tower actually had functional USB 3.0 ports....
16:29 tverrbjelke_ octacian: I am impressed! So still how can a sheep escape if alone? There is a fence-gate(closed) and watching the sheep, it jumps around and cannot get over it. When kids go somewhere else,nearby, suddenly the sheep is free.
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16:30 tverrbjelke_ octacian: maybe I detected a bug... not sure...
16:31 octacian I'm going to guess (not sure, just guessing) that since the entity is unloaded once they leave the chunk, once they come back it is reloaded. However, if it was near the fence when it was unloaded, maybe somehow during the process of reloading the entity it is able to glitch through the fence while the entirety of the AI code is not running. I may be wrong, that's just a guess.
16:31 octacian * once it, not they
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16:32 tverrbjelke_ anyway the game is amazing. one neighbour kid playing from time to o time in our local lan showed it another neighbour kid (which is used to play minecraft). Now they both agree that minetest is better.
16:32 octacian MT really needs some work in many areas, particularly entities, but it's still pretty good.
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16:56 tverrbjelke_ actually I am a coder, related to c++ coding. Alas live seems like a black hole sucking my time...
16:57 tverrbjelke_ so I was glad to set up this lan parties with minetest, making 6 kids happy digging their world.
16:57 tverrbjelke_ (me also jumping around in this world to check if all is ok ;-)
16:58 tverrbjelke_ this kids have plenty of ideas - feature requests like waterfall...
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17:19 Fixer there are mods that adds water falls
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18:02 octacian DAMN... My YouTube directory takes up 20GB....
18:03 octacian 25.4 to be more exact.
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18:09 tverrbjelke_ Fixer: hm... what I ment was:my kids are like waterfalls of ideas... but waterfalls - one of em created a "waterfall", and the others went into the water just to jump around like crazy... for 1 minute the room was full of laughter as if a swimming bath
18:11 tverrbjelke_ "If now some item dropped onto a flowing water node would swim with the water... " was a nice idea
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18:14 asie octacian: my video game rips directory alone takes 80GB
18:15 octacian woah. just glad I have some external storage to put it on, can't all fit on my SSD.
18:15 garywhite what?
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18:16 garywhite What won't fit on your SSD octacian?
18:18 octacian 20GB worth of youtube videos  that I've recorded, and other stuffs.
18:20 garywhite Wow, that's a lot of YT
18:22 Krock or just poorly compressed (if at all)
18:23 octacian It's not necissarily poorly compressed. I mean, there's at least 20 videos there, each at least 500MB without the other resources (edited video, pictures, audio, etc...)
18:27 tverrbjelke_ octacian: you create your own videos?
18:28 octacian tverrbjelke_: yes, in fact, I'm currently preparing to live stream.
18:29 octacian why?
18:30 octacian tverrbjelke_: https://www.youtube.com/chan​nel/UCAd1nYFGgzUVGJGP-dpQmWg
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18:53 garywhite octacian: You're gonna be live streaming soon?
18:53 octacian garywhite: just trying to finish configuring my microphone. That literally being my phone. Laptop died, which had builtin mic. New one won't arrive for several days yet
18:54 garywhite You have a desktop PC right?
18:54 octacian yeah.
18:54 garywhite May be worth considering the investment for a USB microphone
18:55 octacian I'm considering this: https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B004MF39YS/r​ef=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=15​121&amp;creative=330641&amp;creativeASIN=B004​MF39YS&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=ziovo00-20
18:56 Calinou the Blue Yeti is on deals in a regular basis here
18:56 Calinou pretty decent USB microphone
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18:57 octacian Calinou: according to this YouTube video, the Samsung Meteor sounds just as good as the Blue Yeti, at half the price. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUloXuc0huY
18:57 Calinou there are many alternatives, yes
18:57 octacian yeah
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18:58 garywhite Damn YouTube CC shows skyblock in your video octacian as sidewalk
18:58 octacian wuh? :rotfl:
18:58 octacian I probably talk too fast for CC.
18:59 garywhite No, youtube never has very good CC for Minetest terms like that
18:59 octacian skyblock is a MC term as well.
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19:16 octacian ok, now this absolutely sucks.
19:18 garywhite Do you have headphones with a mic?
19:19 octacian Yep, but they are practically non-functional considering the quality of sound that I get through them.
19:19 octacian the thing that sucks, is attempting to make ADB work between my computer and BlackBerry 10 phone.
19:20 octacian ah, I think I am getting somewhere.
19:21 octacian cause my wifi router is far enough away that IP cam is really inefficient.
19:22 garywhite Well, for one thing BlackBerry is old...then again, I can't say anything cause my parents up till last year used 10-year-old Nokia flip phones
19:22 octacian Note, BlackBerry 10. Not BlackBerry OS.
19:22 octacian A new update to BB10 was release last week :D
19:23 octacian Sometimes I wish BB10 weren't so secure...
19:24 garywhite Eh, better than Android...When they have 1 million Androids get their owners' info stolen
19:25 octacian The only reason why what I'm doing is even near possible is because BB10 supports Android Apps :D ..yet they're still government certified.
19:26 octacian YES!
19:26 octacian progress...
19:26 garywhite Hallelujah
19:26 octacian damnit
19:27 octacian wait...
19:27 octacian IT WORKS!
19:28 octacian ..and it's being pretty slow...
19:29 octacian getting video, but no mic... wow
19:30 octacian heh I'm confused
19:32 octacian ok, forget about streaming. Will do it once I get new mic lol
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19:35 Krock octacian, build your own within a hour using a common electret mic
19:35 octacian Krock: my dad keeps telling me to do that.. maybe I will.
19:36 octacian huh def will look into it. later though.
19:40 garywhite Do you have another microphone?
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20:03 AcidNinjaFWHR Hey guys
20:04 AcidNinjaFWHR Do you guys too have sometimes a problem with xban2 failing to load database?
20:04 AcidNinjaFWHR WARNING[Main]: [xban] Unable to load database: Deserialization failed
20:04 Calinou ok... can anyone tell me why I get only 35 FPS on a recent Windows build? :/
20:07 AcidNinjaFWHR Was it better before on the same hardware/software Calinou ?
20:08 Calinou AcidNinjaFWHR: yes, constant 60 FPS
20:08 Calinou shaders are off
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20:09 AcidNinjaFWHR Has anything changed in your environment ?
20:09 Calinou no
20:09 AcidNinjaFWHR any windows updates maybe ?
20:09 Calinou tried both singleplayer and multiplayer
20:09 Calinou surely, but I can't revert them :)
20:09 Calinou and other games run fine
20:10 sfan5 Calinou: which build had the high fps? which had the low fps?
20:10 Calinou sfan5: the old build which I had (about a month old) had the same performance issues, I just updated it
20:10 Calinou I'm using your build in 64-bit
20:11 Calinou nothing else is taking up CPU, too
20:11 sfan5 i mean the exact builds you were using
20:11 Calinou right now I'm using minetest-0.4.14-8a7dc83-win64
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20:48 kaeza AcidNinjaFWHR, your `xban.db` file may be corrupted. if you have access to the standalone Lua interpreter, try running `lua xban.db` and it will tell you what is wrong
20:49 kaeza assuming it's not empty
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20:57 AcidNinjaFWHR kaeza, ok will do that next time there's an error in it.
20:57 AcidNinjaFWHR thanks
20:58 kaeza AcidNinjaFWHR, just pushed some code to add better diagnostic messages for that case. update :P
20:59 kaeza TIL `deserialize` actually returns the parse error
20:59 kaeza s/parse //
21:00 AcidNinjaFWHR oh that is neat! i'll update our fork thanks
21:02 kaeza hope you got backups
21:04 AcidNinjaFWHR yes we backup the whole world folder every night.
21:04 AcidNinjaFWHR and we save a nightly/weekly/monthly
21:04 AcidNinjaFWHR :)
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21:25 AcidNinjaFWHR oh btw kaeza why do you set a save interval in xban2 ?
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21:25 AcidNinjaFWHR sorry got disconnected.
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21:26 kaeza AcidNinjaFWHR, in case of server crash
21:26 kaeza it's probably useless anyway
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22:18 Fixer_ Calinou: config is the same? rendered scene is exactly the same?
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22:22 Fixer_ Calinou: maybe you turned R on accidently?
22:22 Calinou nope
22:22 Fixer_ Calinou: config is the same? rendered scene is exactly the same?
22:22 Calinou config is the same, and I joined the same server as usual (Xanadu)
22:22 Fixer_ Calinou: try comparing singleplayer
22:24 Fixer_ Calinou: what is exact build that good fps?
22:24 Fixer_ that had*
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22:24 Fixer_ Calinou: maybe you have vsync on?
22:24 Calinou nope
22:24 Calinou I'm at 30-35 FPS, not 60
22:24 garywhite wb octacian
22:24 Calinou singleplayer also has 35 FPS
22:25 Fixer_ Calinou: strange
22:25 Fixer_ Calinou: maybe you have two minetests running? or other rendering in background?
22:25 Calinou no
22:26 Fixer_ Calinou: 35 fps _without shaders_ ?
22:26 Calinou yes
22:26 octacian Calinou, Fixer_: I get 49 FPS no matter what, even with ALL graphics settings on :P
22:26 Calinou shaders are off
22:26 Fixer_ strange
22:26 Fixer_ there were shader changes... but not sure about other
22:26 Fixer_ Calinou: paste your config
22:27 Fixer_ Calinou: what is exact build that had good fps?
22:28 Calinou no idea :/
22:28 Calinou Fixer_: http://hastebin.com/zikanudifi.ini
22:29 Calinou such a config ran fine with the old build
22:29 Calinou maybe I can try rebooting...
22:29 Calinou but other games run smoothly right now
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22:33 Fixer_ Calinou: same resolution?
22:33 Calinou yes
22:33 Calinou still, it's a frigging GTX 1080, it should not run at 35 FPS ._.
22:33 Calinou even at 3840x2160 it should run at over 100 FPS
22:34 Fixer_ Calinou: fsaa = 8
22:34 Calinou shouldn't be a problem, worked fine before
22:34 Fixer_ Calinou: you need 64 core build with triple SLI GTX 1080 to have 100 fps in minetest
22:34 Fixer_ Calinou: try rebooting
22:35 Calinou turned AA off, still 35 FPS
22:35 Calinou yeah, I'll do that
22:35 Fixer_ Calinou: you didn't answered, scene is exactly the same?
22:35 Fixer_ for any comparison scene should be exactly the same
22:36 Calinou yes, or almost
22:36 Calinou still, I should not have 35 FPS not even in the middle of a jungle...
22:36 Fixer_ Calinou: maybe tidyman did some changes and server loads much more blocks
22:36 Fixer_ Calinou: you did not answer about what was last good build
22:36 Calinou I don't know what it was
22:37 Calinou Fixer_: it's at 35 FPS even with no blocks loaded
22:37 Fixer_ o.O
22:37 Fixer_ Calinou: check your CPU frequency
22:37 Fixer_ and GPU too
22:37 Fixer_ maybe it throttles
22:38 Fixer_ Calinou: do you have archive of that last good build? where did you get it, can you research date of the build?
22:38 Calinou no... not worth doing that
22:39 Calinou I don't think my CPU or GPU are throttling
22:39 Fixer_ Calinou: try enabling shaders %)
22:39 Fixer_ Calinou: not worth? that could be a bug
22:40 Fixer_ cheapie: could this help fixing that entities problems on VanessaEZ servers? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4217
22:40 Calinou o...k...
22:40 Calinou setting fps_max to 0 solves it
22:40 Calinou 226 FPS with shaders :)
22:40 Calinou 250 FPS without
22:41 Calinou setting fps_max to 120 limits to about 60 FPS
22:41 Calinou so it limits to half of the value now... that *is* a bug
22:41 Fixer_ Calinou: vsync on in driver?
22:41 Fixer_ Calinou: no it does not, i have 120 and it can reach 120
22:41 Calinou nope, vsync is not enabled
22:42 Fixer_ check in driver panel
22:42 Fixer_ Calinou: that feels like vsync for sure
22:42 Calinou no, else I would not be able to get 200+ FPS
22:43 Calinou other games have vsync off just fine, too
22:43 Fixer_ vsync is disabled by default in mt
22:43 Fixer_ fps_max = 60
22:43 Fixer_ is default
22:44 Fixer_ Calinou: lol, wonder what is your fps on servers like LinuxGaming2
22:45 Calinou never tried
22:45 Fixer_ Calinou: really heavy, try it
22:46 Fixer_ found some heavy scene, i have the same 90 fps with fps_max = 120 and fps_max = 0
22:48 Fixer_ Calinou: lets compare, go to LinuxGaming2 spawn
22:48 Fixer_ i will turn off shaders
22:48 Fixer_ v_range 240
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23:06 Fixer_ Calinou: superflous shader PR that was merged gives huge boost in shader mode, now you loose only like 15% when you turn on shaders
23:07 Fixer_ and before at least for me enabling shaders divided my fps by 2
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23:23 swift110 hmm
23:27 Fixer_ it is insane how much stuff is rendered in MT cities
23:27 Fixer_ entire blocks
23:27 Fixer_ building behind building behind building
23:29 est31 yeah, culling is only viewport based atm afaik
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23:32 swift110 wow
23:33 red-001 I wonder how much faster it would be with better culling
23:34 Fixer_ example of heavy overdraw: much faster in cities I think
23:34 Fixer_ oops
23:34 Fixer_ example of heavy overdraw: https://i.imgur.com/E2fLUfY.jpg *
23:34 Fixer_ not just buildings
23:34 Fixer_ but some crap underground
23:35 Fixer_ but current one helps a lot too
23:35 Fixer_ if lucky, it increases fps a lot
23:36 Fixer_ moved to street - 20 fps
23:36 Fixer_ walking back facing to building wall - 50 fps
23:37 Fixer_ 91 block drawn ; 889 in range
23:37 Fixer_ impressive
23:37 Fixer_ thats behind house
23:37 Fixer_ if at street few steps away: 279 drawn ; 820 in range
23:38 Fixer_ still amazing how big impact, go to edge of city, rotate 360 deg and your fps will very wildly
23:38 Fixer_ from 80 to 20
23:39 Fixer_ 80 fps - look away from city, 20 into the city
23:39 Fixer_ inside in building
23:40 Fixer_ amazing pic: https://i.imgur.com/Wd5FAnq.jpg
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