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00:07 octacian       rubenwardy: any chance you'll be able to open other PR on turtleminer sometime soon? There's no rush as I can't actually look at it for a couple days, just curious.
03:36 Danek          hello people , is someone experienced with minetest here?
03:50 garywhite      Danek: Yeah, there's a lot of experienced people here. What's your question?
03:51 Danek          so i made a sky island , but it is to little and unreal now i want to put it on a flat world , but when i use world edit /save mymodel the game crashes because of 7million blocks
05:28 octacian       good night peoples.
05:51 OldCoder       Night
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09:35 JamesTait      Good morning all! Happy Thursday, and happy Pretend To Be A Time Traveler Day! 😃
09:40 Axord          Imma timelord.
12:40 tverrbjelke_   I need some help. I installed me minetest, play it with my kids and now installed mod dreambuilder. But me (1st user to login onto server) now seem to have superpowers. I can instantiate every block from the new inventory ...
12:41 tverrbjelke_   I just connected with a new normal user, and all seems fine. But iwth my existing old login I can "gift" me every single block shown there. creative_mode is off..
12:42 tverrbjelke_   What I would like is... keep the existing world and user, and use the nice mod - with all normal  restricitons. MAybe it is a transition issue, adding the mod into an existing world/players?
12:44 tverrbjelke_   using https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=9196 with minetest 0.4.14 on my ubuntu system
12:55 tverrbjelke_   oh, now I reversed the login order of the two users. Loggin in 1st with new user makes HIM now able to get all items of new inventory. The old user logged in as 2nd now cannot craft stuff. He is now also no longer admin of the game. Hm ... Someone can help me with this? Do I have to use a different "empty" user do run the server and then login as normal user to play with my kids?
12:57 DFeniks        tverrbjelke_ , try /privs command to what privileges you have . you might need to do ( /revoke yourname creative ) without brackets. if you have creative privilege . although now i read your last comment while i typed , im not so sure
12:58 tverrbjelke_   I am now granting from the new 1stuser ("Grobi")  some privs to the old user. like teleport
12:58 tverrbjelke_   I am new to all this commands here.
13:00 tverrbjelke_   (e.g. I now try to find a command/way to tell which client window is which login)
13:00 DFeniks        well, i never run game server myself , so i dont know im not familiar how dreambuilder supposed to work in not singleplayer mode
13:00 tverrbjelke_   (ok it was "/me" ... )
13:02 tverrbjelke_   Now I feel I have to use a dummy user to login as 1st user locally, where the server is hosted. But I do not need this one extra gui client running. Acan I login witghout "presence" in the world?
13:03 tverrbjelke_   A workaround *could* be: I start the server from console. Then I start locally a GUI Client and login as "Grobi" - and forget him. Then I go to the real clients (me and my kids) and login and play within local lan.
13:03 tverrbjelke_   But that extra user + client is completely unneeded.
13:04 tverrbjelke_   I would be glad for someone giving me some extra hints.
13:08 DFeniks        oh, im really dont know about this , i never really tried how this works exactly, but there must be a way to run minetest server only without any gui clients , and then connect with clients. wait nvm after rereading your message it is what you already doing it seams
13:09 DFeniks        but any first joined user have 'superpowers' ?
13:10 DFeniks        im afraid im not very knowledgeable about this , maybe somebody else can help better
13:14 tverrbjelke_   So I will wait here ands see if someone can give some hints to this... thx
14:26 twoelk         tverrbjelke_ , when starting a server you indeed need to assign an admin, which per default usually is the one who starts the server. Once set up you can simply start the server from console and join with any other avatar name. The admin need not join to keep the server running. starting the executable with parameters such as  --server --worldname should work.
14:26 twoelk         else please read here: http://wiki.minetest.net/Setting_up_a_server
14:26 tverrbjelke_   ah. ok until today I always started server liek this...
14:26 tverrbjelke_   OPTS="--gameid minetest --world worlds/welt2 --terminal"
14:26 tverrbjelke_   cd ~/bin/minetest-0.4.14/ && ./bin/minetestserver ${OPTS}
14:27 tverrbjelke_   then I would have a terminal - but it wanted me once a user to log in as admin.
14:27 tverrbjelke_   So now after that console cmd, I also start minetest-client. And login as my admin user
14:28 tverrbjelke_   Then (on other computers) my kids login within local lan
14:28 twoelk         hm, linux?
14:28 tverrbjelke_   yes. here linux zone
14:28 twoelk         schreib ne bash mit den parametern
14:29 tverrbjelke_   What I hear from you now is (is is correct?) : I now only need to strat the server (having --terminal ) and then forget the admin user. Just login as normal user like my kids?
14:29 tverrbjelke_   twoelk: Ich habe gerade cat meines server-starteerscripes geposted :-)
14:30 tverrbjelke_   But I am still unsure about the workflow., Once I killed the world, just because after logout of all users, I just hit ctrl-c in the server-console...
14:30 tverrbjelke_   after that I had to create a new one.
14:31 twoelk         vergiss nicht du brauchst auf jeden fall einen admin
14:31 tverrbjelke_   now I go with the "shutdown" command in the server console
14:31 tverrbjelke_   german ok here?
14:31 twoelk         as long as no one complains ;-P
14:32 tverrbjelke_   Also HEUTE habe ich das mod installiert. Dann hab ich mich  normal als meinen 1st user(=admin) eingelogggt. Dann hatte ich mit dem mod plötzlich superkräfte. I
14:32 twoelk         ansonsten gibt es natuerlich #minetest-de
14:32 tverrbjelke_   im Spiel im inventar konte ich alle nodes in mein inventar holen. ALLE
14:33 twoelk         welches mod?
14:33 tverrbjelke_   hab ich test weise einen neuen user "GRobe" im  client erzegt + angemeldet. Der hatte keine superkräfte.-
14:33 twoelk         nennt sich creative modus
14:33 tverrbjelke_   dreambuilder
14:33 tverrbjelke_   nee - ich habe den creative-mod aus.
14:33 twoelk         ah -unified inventory
14:34 tverrbjelke_   creativ-modus aus
14:34 tverrbjelke_   Und das möchte ich halt nicht... superkräfte.
14:35 twoelk         wie gesagt einer muss admin sein
14:35 tverrbjelke_   Dann habe ich alle user ausgeloggt, shutdown server. Client wieder an, Diesmal mit dem neuen user "Grobi" angemeldet. Da hatt5er DER plötzlich superklräfte.
14:35 tverrbjelke_   Und mit client2 als bisheriger daddy-user angemeldet, der hatte nun keine superkräfte.
14:35 twoelk         du brauchst also ein admin konto und ein spieler konto fuer dich
14:36 tverrbjelke_   jetzt habe ich gesehen, dass Grobi nun als admin gilt.
14:36 twoelk         mit name = in der minetest.config kannst du bestimmen wer admin ist
14:36 tverrbjelke_   ok - den Teil hab ich jetz glaub ich verstadnen
14:36 Allycat007     Читал руки тише серого специи ложку ух за вообще сверить лицо
14:36 tverrbjelke_   ?
14:37 Allycat007     Idk wat I said
14:37 tverrbjelke_   II english and german.
14:37 Allycat007     I was in Russian
14:37 twoelk         so back to english ;-D
14:38 tverrbjelke_   So my new login-worklfow will be OK, if I put the avove starter-script and Grobi as admin? Then I can go with the old dady-login and join playing with my kids?
14:38 twoelk         an admin needs to be assigned, but he need not be connected at all times
14:38 tverrbjelke_   Ahhh! (relieved)
14:38 tverrbjelke_   next question relates to the spawning óf the sheep and rats of the mod.
14:39 twoelk         not in homedecor
14:39 tverrbjelke_   dreambuilder https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=9196 contains https://github.com/calinou/carbone_mobs/
14:39 twoelk         dreambuilder or whatever
14:39 twoelk         ah, carbone mobs ;-)
14:39 tverrbjelke_   my worlds only shall be peaceful. So sheeps are NICE! but please not killing em.
14:39 tverrbjelke_   eating rats... hmmm.
14:40 twoelk         you only get meat by killing :-(
14:40 tverrbjelke_   I now managed to disable the evil monsters-spawning ...
14:40 tverrbjelke_   (I bake bread and eat apples until now!)
14:40 twoelk         ah, vegetarian
14:41 tverrbjelke_   you see, my kids are 4 to 10 and it should have only pleasing experiences. They do not want to run away from something or hide
14:41 tverrbjelke_   Son once saw this minecraft and alone the sounds oft the beasts...
14:41 twoelk         geniess das so lange sowas reicht :-D
14:41 tverrbjelke_   so they all wanna just play and dig and craft ...
14:42 tverrbjelke_   Yes, I really looked around and found minetest. I am VERY glad it is made this way!
14:43 tverrbjelke_   Now how can I make it happen, that only VERY few sheeps are areound?
14:43 tverrbjelke_   I have found the mod-folder and configured their hitpoiunts to 255.
14:43 tverrbjelke_   maybe my kids wont figure out how to kill em
14:43 twoelk         oh, unsterblich
14:44 tverrbjelke_   And I set damage from water/lava to 1
14:44 tverrbjelke_   and I have set armor to 100 - but not sure what that means
14:45 tverrbjelke_   I also fixed some parts to reset hitpoints after feedding to 255, too.
14:45 tverrbjelke_   launching the game now shows, all is working. but they spawn very often.
14:45 tverrbjelke_   there is a "chance" arg, that was set to some 25000
14:46 twoelk         the number of mobs spawning is usually a variable of "chance" that steers randomnes
14:46 tverrbjelke_   --		carbone_mobs:register_spawn("carbone_mobs:rat", "two rats",                    rn, 16, -1, 7500, 6, 100)
14:46 tverrbjelke_   --		carbone_mobs:register_spawn("carbone_mobs:sheep", "a sheep",                   sn, 16, 8, 20000, 2, 100)
14:46 tverrbjelke_   carbone_mobs:register_spawn("carbone_mobs:rat", "two rats",                    rn, 16, -1,250000, 6, 100)
14:46 tverrbjelke_   carbone_mobs:register_spawn("carbone_mobs:sheep", "a sheep",                   sn, 16, 8, 25000, 2, 100)
14:46 tverrbjelke_   excerpt of init.lua
14:47 tverrbjelke_   can I increase that chance to a EREALLY high value?
14:47 tverrbjelke_   I have read that lua implements numbers via floats, but I am not sure if the random-stuff allows values like 10000000000
14:48 tverrbjelke_   (I am newbie to lua coding)
14:48 twoelk         hope for calinou to show up as he wrote carbone
14:49 tverrbjelke_   looking into api.lua file I see a variable lifetime=600 - does that mean that mobs are dying after 5 mins?
14:49 tverrbjelke_   10 mins?
14:49 tverrbjelke_   it is in "function carbone_mobs:register_mob(name, def)"
14:51 tverrbjelke_   another parameter I already changed is in function carbone_mobs:register_spaw()  "interval = 120" (it was seet to 2)
14:51 tverrbjelke_   comments in lua are "--" is it "anywhere in the line?" or is it "beginngin of line?"
14:51 twoelk         mobs are indeed deleted after a set time to stop overpopulating which might produce lag
14:51 tverrbjelke_   because i decommented some lines by putting -- in front of em
14:52 twoelk         beginning
14:52 twoelk         ?
14:52 tverrbjelke_   so I could write a line like "interval = 120 -- increased this, beacuse I have to many of the spawning"
14:52 tverrbjelke_   ?
14:53 tverrbjelke_   and interval variable would still be set to 120?
14:53 tverrbjelke_   ok I have MANY questions. I see.
14:54 twoelk         before I forget maybe this page in german might be of interest http://wiki.minetest.net/Minetest_in_der_Schule
14:54 tverrbjelke_   So after 600s the mobs are removed from the world.
14:54 twoelk         if you dont tame them
14:54 tverrbjelke_   when I shiutdown - are all mobs gone forever, too?
14:55 tverrbjelke_   taming... what is that?
14:55 tverrbjelke_   (my kids would LOVE to have their own sheep in a fence
14:55 tverrbjelke_   permantently
14:55 tverrbjelke_   feeding it, taking wool etc.
14:56 twoelk         some mobs can be tamed if fed with the right food - duno if carbone also included that function
14:56 tverrbjelke_   I have seen this part of code.
14:56 tverrbjelke_   So "yes", but what does that MEAN?
14:56 tverrbjelke_   feeding gives them hp back, and wool.
14:56 twoelk         put wheat in hand and wave at sheep
14:57 twoelk         should start following you around
14:57 tverrbjelke_   sOK that I have read from teh code. But what does taming then mean?
14:57 twoelk         they dont die
14:57 tverrbjelke_   will it be kept in world after 10 mins, and even survice shutting down
14:57 tverrbjelke_   ?
14:58 twoelk         there is also a mod to give mobs a personal name tag - similar effect
14:58 tverrbjelke_   niice!
14:58 twoelk         thats the way it should work
14:58 tverrbjelke_   so taming those sheep is what I want for my kids.
14:59 tverrbjelke_   can I "untame" them? maybe my littel daughter tames EVERY sheep it sees
14:59 tverrbjelke_   Or can others kill tamed sheep?
15:01 tverrbjelke_   tagging names would be soo cool. can I install both mods together? same sheep also having name will not work that way, I bet?
15:01 tverrbjelke_   whatever, you have given me some great new insight! I really thank you!
15:01 twoelk         I think some mods do indeed protect owned mobs but I cant remember which
15:02 tverrbjelke_   So with the 255HP it should be OK if they simply won't timeout themselves and be back after server restart
15:02 tverrbjelke_   I am really looking forward to present my kids the new game! Esp. with the existing world UPDATED - so we can keep our small village
15:03 tverrbjelke_   I was a bit worried, that I would have to create a new world. minetest is great!
15:03 twoelk         btw you can easily create your own tweaked game by copying minetestgame into a new folder, renaming it and changing and adding stuff
15:04 tverrbjelke_   I did a backup today, before I started to install stuff. took 2 GB!
15:04 twoelk         the carbone mobs where for example originaly part of the subgame "Carbone"
15:04 tverrbjelke_   happy that linux everything is just a file (database of world e.g.)
15:05 twoelk         it is a simple sqlite database file if you went with default
15:05 twoelk         on any system
15:06 tverrbjelke_   just in case I change the mod a bit... any chance that my pathch pull-request would be inserted?
15:06 twoelk         most is on github
15:06 tverrbjelke_   (I ment question rather this way: Should I care to code nicely, or just hack around?)
15:07 twoelk         depends ;-P   in minetest (the engine) style is rather important with individual mods not so much
15:07 tverrbjelke_   well, I did clone it, but alot of projects ... do nbot really care other folks pull requests...)
15:08 twoelk         some mods are more alive than others
15:09 tverrbjelke_   I see. So it would depend on carbone
15:09 twoelk         dreambuilder for example is pretty much alive but a huge modpack so single changes might take a while
15:10 tverrbjelke_   dreambuilder .. my kids will take some time to gfrasp the changes :-D
15:11 tverrbjelke_   that I dare to simply modify a sub-mod prooves the nice design of this game!
15:11 twoelk         I can't remember much activity on carbone recently but that may be due to waiting for the new minetest release due in this month
15:12 tverrbjelke_   OK now I havbe to go to my son - he just arrived. I will sstay online here, but of keyboard for a while
15:12 tverrbjelke_   trhx
15:13 twoelk         (better replace the "due" in release with a more vague "planned" :-D)
15:19 Calinou        tverrbjelke_: maybe chance can't be higher than 65535, I don't lnow
15:19 Calinou        know
15:22 tverrbjelke_   OK, I will try to incre. chance to 60000 and see...
15:22 tverrbjelke_   with 3-6 players... 6 sheep (incl. the tamed one?) as upper limit OK? or shall I  increase that to maybe 10?
15:23 tverrbjelke_   the rats is also a nice idea. lets have some rats in the world.
15:23 tverrbjelke_   maybe I aklter will make em eat stuff like seeds
15:23 tverrbjelke_   or grain
15:24 Calinou        it's 6 sheeps per block (16x16x16 area) IIRC
15:53 tverrbjelke_   ah - ok. good to know!
18:32 tverrbjelke_   hm. how can I set the admin user when starting minetestserver from console? Some kinda bash-script or such?
18:33 tverrbjelke_   my starterscript looks like this:
18:33 tverrbjelke_   OPTS="--gameid minetest --world worlds/welt2 --terminal"
18:33 tverrbjelke_   cd ~/bin/minetest-0.4.14/ && ./bin/minetestserver ${OPTS}
18:34 tverrbjelke_   I start the server with it, and then start somewhere a client to login as normal user, that user gets admin...
18:35 tverrbjelke_   or should I leave the --world argument?
18:36 tverrbjelke_   intention: start server in console - there use "Grobi" as offline admin (without gui)  - who is using the server-terminal and run clients with normal
18:36 tverrbjelke_   users
18:36 tverrbjelke_   how to do this?
18:37 twoelk         but name= in minetest.config point script to minetest.config
18:38 tverrbjelke_   ok - and in script I can set admin user? how?
18:38 tverrbjelke_   ./minetestserver --help
18:38 tverrbjelke_   Allowed options:
18:38 tverrbjelke_   --config <value>      Load configuration from specified file
18:39 tverrbjelke_   you mean --config? or --name???
18:39 twoelk         make a minetest.config add value in that, point start script to use that file as config fil
18:39 tverrbjelke_   minetestserver currently finds its config file (I have a in-place installation)
18:40 tverrbjelke_   config file line "name=Grobi"? spaces?
18:40 twoelk         read https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/minetest.conf.example
18:40 twoelk         server section
18:43 Out`Of`Control Anyone know if recent homedecore modpack support protection_bypass privs?
20:16 tverrbjelke_   thx.
20:19 Allycat007     I'm at school rn
20:23 Allycat007     I'm bored
20:27 Allycat007     Blwaaaaah
20:38 tokage         play some minetest!
21:10 whitephoenix   if I made some ARM builds would anyone use them?
21:10 whitephoenix   maybe I could make a dropbox or something
21:13 Calinou        whitephoenix: ARM builds for which platform, Android, Linux?
21:13 Calinou        I don't think they'd be very used
21:13 whitephoenix   linux
21:13 whitephoenix   for raspberry pis and stuff
21:13 Calinou        Minetest on RPi doesn't run that well (if at all) on the client-side
21:13 Calinou        though it's ok as a server
21:14 Calinou        but it's not that hard to compile yourself :)
21:14 Calinou        (but may be a bit long)
21:14 Calinou        (probably below an hour, but still)
21:14 whitephoenix   yeah my though process was try to save some other people the long compile
21:16 twoelk         wasn't there allready such somewhere on the forum?
21:16 Calinou        twoelk: I distribute only 64-bit x86
21:17 Calinou        and most people who provide builds provide usually only x86 in general
21:17 twoelk         didn't megaf or someone else share a low level rpi built?
21:21 * twoelk       wonders whether a flatpak version may run on a rpi https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=15336
21:22 Calinou        I'm not sure if Flatpak/AppImage/Snap work on ARM
21:22 whitephoenix   flatpak isn't in raspbian repos
21:22 whitephoenix   which is not surprising because I'm realizing that raspbian is a massive pile of crap
21:25 whitephoenix   I'd just crosscompile but cmake seems insist that it uses gcc instead of clang
21:26 Calinou        there are other distros, such as Arch Linux ARM
21:27 Calinou        whitephoenix: you can change the compiler used with CMake, cmake . -DCMAKE_C_COMPILER=/usr/bin/clang -DCMAKE_CXX_COMPILER=/usr/bin/clang++
21:27 whitephoenix   yeah I'll probably install void
21:27 Calinou        (IIRC)
21:27 whitephoenix   Calinou, yeah I'm trying that but it's still using gcc for some reason
21:28 Calinou        what if you use "export CC=/usr/bin/clang; export CXX=/usr/bin/clang++"
21:28 Calinou        or something
21:28 Calinou        I forgot the exact command
21:28 Calinou        http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7031126/switching-between-gcc-and-clang-llvm-using-cmake#7032021
21:28 Calinou        this
23:05 IhrFussel      I have vehicles on my server but i only want them to be available via /give ... Is there a way to disable entities from showing up in the creative menu?
23:06 IhrFussel      For nods i add them to the group "not_in_creative_inventory" but i dont think i can define such groups for entities
23:06 IhrFussel      Nodes*
23:07 octacian       AFAIK, the "entities" in the inventory are actually items, so not_in_creative_inventory works. Entities themselves do not show up in the creative inventory to my knowledge.
23:27 IhrFussel      Doesn't seem to work, i added "groups = {not_in_creative_inventory=1}" inside register_entity()
23:30 Out`Of`Control noone use homedecore modpack?
23:41 Fixer          a lot of servers use it
23:41 Out`Of`Control Fixer: i just wonder if recent one has support for protection_bypass priv
23:42 Fixer          Out`Of`Control: ask VanessaE
23:42 Out`Of`Control VanessaE: hi, does homedecor suport protection_bypass priv?
23:42 VanessaE       I don't know, actually
23:43 Out`Of`Control i guess no
23:43 Out`Of`Control VanessaE: do you plan to add it?
23:43 VanessaE       nope.
23:43 VanessaE       I don't even know what it is :P
23:44 Out`Of`Control or there is other way to get items from locked things
23:44 VanessaE       but I'm not the only one with write access to the repo :)
23:44 Chinchou       Should MT really be stopping <mt_dir>/builtin/init.lua from reading auth.txt?  Complaining about mod security, even though I have it disabled.
23:45 Out`Of`Control VanessaE: ok thank you for info
23:45 Chinchou       https://defuse.ca/b/Z086yXNe
23:45 garywhite      VanessaE: protection_bypass is like another priv that's like having the areas priv, but you can only add/remove nodes in protection, not anything like remove others' areas like having the areas priv
23:46 VanessaE       hm
23:46 VanessaE       interesting idea.
23:46 VanessaE       well if someone wants to add support, I won't interfere
23:49 Out`Of`Control garywhite: its for opening locked things?
23:50 garywhite      I believe so