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00:07 octacian rubenwardy: any chance you'll be able to open other PR on turtleminer sometime soon? There's no rush as I can't actually look at it for a couple days, just curious.
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03:36 Danek hello people , is someone experienced with minetest here?
03:50 garywhite Danek: Yeah, there's a lot of experienced people here. What's your question?
03:51 Danek so i made a sky island , but it is to little and unreal now i want to put it on a flat world , but when i use world edit /save mymodel the game crashes because of 7million blocks
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05:28 octacian good night peoples.
05:51 OldCoder Night
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08:46 MinetestBot [git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Buildbot: Update LuaJIT version 3f88d77 https://git.io/v1gzu (2016-12-08T08:39:37Z)
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08:46 MinetestBot [git] sofar -> minetest/minetest: Simple decorations: Fix range check for deco->deco_param2 5a2431a https://git.io/v1gzz (2016-12-08T08:38:10Z)
08:46 MinetestBot [git] est31 -> minetest/minetest: Android: fix build and update deps 24719c6 https://git.io/v1gzg (2016-12-07T20:27:07Z)
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09:35 JamesTait Good morning all! Happy Thursday, and happy Pretend To Be A Time Traveler Day! 😃
09:40 Axord Imma timelord.
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12:40 tverrbjelke_ I need some help. I installed me minetest, play it with my kids and now installed mod dreambuilder. But me (1st user to login onto server) now seem to have superpowers. I can instantiate every block from the new inventory ...
12:41 tverrbjelke_ I just connected with a new normal user, and all seems fine. But iwth my existing old login I can "gift" me every single block shown there. creative_mode is off..
12:42 tverrbjelke_ What I would like is... keep the existing world and user, and use the nice mod - with all normal  restricitons. MAybe it is a transition issue, adding the mod into an existing world/players?
12:44 tverrbjelke_ using https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=9196 with minetest 0.4.14 on my ubuntu system
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12:55 tverrbjelke_ oh, now I reversed the login order of the two users. Loggin in 1st with new user makes HIM now able to get all items of new inventory. The old user logged in as 2nd now cannot craft stuff. He is now also no longer admin of the game. Hm ... Someone can help me with this? Do I have to use a different "empty" user do run the server and then login as normal user to play with my kids?
12:57 DFeniks tverrbjelke_ , try /privs command to what privileges you have . you might need to do ( /revoke yourname creative ) without brackets. if you have creative privilege . although now i read your last comment while i typed , im not so sure
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12:58 tverrbjelke_ I am now granting from the new 1stuser ("Grobi")  some privs to the old user. like teleport
12:58 tverrbjelke_ I am new to all this commands here.
13:00 tverrbjelke_ (e.g. I now try to find a command/way to tell which client window is which login)
13:00 DFeniks well, i never run game server myself , so i dont know im not familiar how dreambuilder supposed to work in not singleplayer mode
13:00 tverrbjelke_ (ok it was "/me" ... )
13:02 tverrbjelke_ Now I feel I have to use a dummy user to login as 1st user locally, where the server is hosted. But I do not need this one extra gui client running. Acan I login witghout "presence" in the world?
13:03 tverrbjelke_ A workaround *could* be: I start the server from console. Then I start locally a GUI Client and login as "Grobi" - and forget him. Then I go to the real clients (me and my kids) and login and play within local lan.
13:03 tverrbjelke_ But that extra user + client is completely unneeded.
13:04 tverrbjelke_ I would be glad for someone giving me some extra hints.
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13:08 DFeniks oh, im really dont know about this , i never really tried how this works exactly, but there must be a way to run minetest server only without any gui clients , and then connect with clients. wait nvm after rereading your message it is what you already doing it seams
13:09 DFeniks but any first joined user have 'superpowers' ?
13:10 DFeniks im afraid im not very knowledgeable about this , maybe somebody else can help better
13:14 tverrbjelke_ So I will wait here ands see if someone can give some hints to this... thx
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14:26 twoelk tverrbjelke_ , when starting a server you indeed need to assign an admin, which per default usually is the one who starts the server. Once set up you can simply start the server from console and join with any other avatar name. The admin need not join to keep the server running. starting the executable with parameters such as  --server --worldname should work.
14:26 twoelk else please read here: http://wiki.minetest.net/Setting_up_a_server
14:26 tverrbjelke_ ah. ok until today I always started server liek this...
14:26 tverrbjelke_ OPTS="--gameid minetest --world worlds/welt2 --terminal"
14:26 tverrbjelke_ cd ~/bin/minetest-0.4.14/ && ./bin/minetestserver ${OPTS}
14:27 tverrbjelke_ then I would have a terminal - but it wanted me once a user to log in as admin.
14:27 tverrbjelke_ So now after that console cmd, I also start minetest-client. And login as my admin user
14:28 tverrbjelke_ Then (on other computers) my kids login within local lan
14:28 twoelk hm, linux?
14:28 tverrbjelke_ yes. here linux zone
14:28 twoelk schreib ne bash mit den parametern
14:29 tverrbjelke_ What I hear from you now is (is is correct?) : I now only need to strat the server (having --terminal ) and then forget the admin user. Just login as normal user like my kids?
14:29 tverrbjelke_ twoelk: Ich habe gerade cat meines server-starteerscripes geposted :-)
14:30 tverrbjelke_ But I am still unsure about the workflow., Once I killed the world, just because after logout of all users, I just hit ctrl-c in the server-console...
14:30 tverrbjelke_ after that I had to create a new one.
14:31 twoelk vergiss nicht du brauchst auf jeden fall einen admin
14:31 tverrbjelke_ now I go with the "shutdown" command in the server console
14:31 tverrbjelke_ german ok here?
14:31 twoelk as long as no one complains ;-P
14:32 tverrbjelke_ Also HEUTE habe ich das mod installiert. Dann hab ich mich  normal als meinen 1st user(=admin) eingelogggt. Dann hatte ich mit dem mod plötzlich superkräfte. I
14:32 twoelk ansonsten gibt es natuerlich #minetest-de
14:32 tverrbjelke_ im Spiel im inventar konte ich alle nodes in mein inventar holen. ALLE
14:33 twoelk welches mod?
14:33 tverrbjelke_ hab ich test weise einen neuen user "GRobe" im  client erzegt + angemeldet. Der hatte keine superkräfte.-
14:33 twoelk nennt sich creative modus
14:33 tverrbjelke_ dreambuilder
14:33 tverrbjelke_ nee - ich habe den creative-mod aus.
14:33 twoelk ah -unified inventory
14:34 tverrbjelke_ creativ-modus aus
14:34 tverrbjelke_ Und das möchte ich halt nicht... superkräfte.
14:35 twoelk wie gesagt einer muss admin sein
14:35 tverrbjelke_ Dann habe ich alle user ausgeloggt, shutdown server. Client wieder an, Diesmal mit dem neuen user "Grobi" angemeldet. Da hatt5er DER plötzlich superklräfte.
14:35 tverrbjelke_ Und mit client2 als bisheriger daddy-user angemeldet, der hatte nun keine superkräfte.
14:35 twoelk du brauchst also ein admin konto und ein spieler konto fuer dich
14:36 tverrbjelke_ jetzt habe ich gesehen, dass Grobi nun als admin gilt.
14:36 twoelk mit name = in der minetest.config kannst du bestimmen wer admin ist
14:36 tverrbjelke_ ok - den Teil hab ich jetz glaub ich verstadnen
14:36 Allycat007 Читал руки тише серого специи ложку ух за вообще сверить лицо
14:36 tverrbjelke_ ?
14:37 Allycat007 Idk wat I said
14:37 tverrbjelke_ II english and german.
14:37 Allycat007 I was in Russian
14:37 twoelk so back to english ;-D
14:38 tverrbjelke_ So my new login-worklfow will be OK, if I put the avove starter-script and Grobi as admin? Then I can go with the old dady-login and join playing with my kids?
14:38 twoelk an admin needs to be assigned, but he need not be connected at all times
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14:38 tverrbjelke_ Ahhh! (relieved)
14:38 tverrbjelke_ next question relates to the spawning óf the sheep and rats of the mod.
14:39 twoelk not in homedecor
14:39 tverrbjelke_ dreambuilder https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=9196 contains https://github.com/calinou/carbone_mobs/
14:39 twoelk dreambuilder or whatever
14:39 twoelk ah, carbone mobs ;-)
14:39 tverrbjelke_ my worlds only shall be peaceful. So sheeps are NICE! but please not killing em.
14:39 tverrbjelke_ eating rats... hmmm.
14:40 twoelk you only get meat by killing :-(
14:40 tverrbjelke_ I now managed to disable the evil monsters-spawning ...
14:40 tverrbjelke_ (I bake bread and eat apples until now!)
14:40 twoelk ah, vegetarian
14:41 tverrbjelke_ you see, my kids are 4 to 10 and it should have only pleasing experiences. They do not want to run away from something or hide
14:41 tverrbjelke_ Son once saw this minecraft and alone the sounds oft the beasts...
14:41 twoelk geniess das so lange sowas reicht :-D
14:41 tverrbjelke_ so they all wanna just play and dig and craft ...
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14:42 tverrbjelke_ Yes, I really looked around and found minetest. I am VERY glad it is made this way!
14:43 tverrbjelke_ Now how can I make it happen, that only VERY few sheeps are areound?
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14:43 tverrbjelke_ I have found the mod-folder and configured their hitpoiunts to 255.
14:43 tverrbjelke_ maybe my kids wont figure out how to kill em
14:43 twoelk oh, unsterblich
14:44 tverrbjelke_ And I set damage from water/lava to 1
14:44 tverrbjelke_ and I have set armor to 100 - but not sure what that means
14:45 tverrbjelke_ I also fixed some parts to reset hitpoints after feedding to 255, too.
14:45 tverrbjelke_ launching the game now shows, all is working. but they spawn very often.
14:45 tverrbjelke_ there is a "chance" arg, that was set to some 25000
14:46 twoelk the number of mobs spawning is usually a variable of "chance" that steers randomnes
14:46 tverrbjelke_ --carbone_mobs:register_spawn("carbone_mobs:rat", "two rats",                    rn, 16, -1, 7500, 6, 100)
14:46 tverrbjelke_ --carbone_mobs:register_sp​awn("carbone_mobs:sheep", "a sheep",                   sn, 16, 8, 20000, 2, 100)
14:46 tverrbjelke_ carbone_mobs:register_spawn("carbone_mobs:rat", "two rats",                    rn, 16, -1,250000, 6, 100)
14:46 tverrbjelke_ carbone_mobs:register_spawn("carbone_mobs:sheep", "a sheep",                   sn, 16, 8, 25000, 2, 100)
14:46 tverrbjelke_ excerpt of init.lua
14:47 tverrbjelke_ can I increase that chance to a EREALLY high value?
14:47 tverrbjelke_ I have read that lua implements numbers via floats, but I am not sure if the random-stuff allows values like 10000000000
14:48 tverrbjelke_ (I am newbie to lua coding)
14:48 twoelk hope for calinou to show up as he wrote carbone
14:49 tverrbjelke_ looking into api.lua file I see a variable lifetime=600 - does that mean that mobs are dying after 5 mins?
14:49 tverrbjelke_ 10 mins?
14:49 tverrbjelke_ it is in "function carbone_mobs:register_mob(name, def)"
14:51 tverrbjelke_ another parameter I already changed is in function carbone_mobs:register_spaw()  "interval = 120" (it was seet to 2)
14:51 tverrbjelke_ comments in lua are "--" is it "anywhere in the line?" or is it "beginngin of line?"
14:51 twoelk mobs are indeed deleted after a set time to stop overpopulating which might produce lag
14:51 tverrbjelke_ because i decommented some lines by putting -- in front of em
14:52 twoelk beginning
14:52 twoelk ?
14:52 tverrbjelke_ so I could write a line like "interval = 120 -- increased this, beacuse I have to many of the spawning"
14:52 tverrbjelke_ ?
14:53 tverrbjelke_ and interval variable would still be set to 120?
14:53 tverrbjelke_ ok I have MANY questions. I see.
14:54 twoelk before I forget maybe this page in german might be of interest http://wiki.minetest.net/Minetest_in_der_Schule
14:54 tverrbjelke_ So after 600s the mobs are removed from the world.
14:54 twoelk if you dont tame them
14:54 tverrbjelke_ when I shiutdown - are all mobs gone forever, too?
14:55 tverrbjelke_ taming... what is that?
14:55 tverrbjelke_ (my kids would LOVE to have their own sheep in a fence
14:55 tverrbjelke_ permantently
14:55 tverrbjelke_ feeding it, taking wool etc.
14:56 twoelk some mobs can be tamed if fed with the right food - duno if carbone also included that function
14:56 tverrbjelke_ I have seen this part of code.
14:56 tverrbjelke_ So "yes", but what does that MEAN?
14:56 tverrbjelke_ feeding gives them hp back, and wool.
14:56 twoelk put wheat in hand and wave at sheep
14:57 twoelk should start following you around
14:57 tverrbjelke_ sOK that I have read from teh code. But what does taming then mean?
14:57 twoelk they dont die
14:57 tverrbjelke_ will it be kept in world after 10 mins, and even survice shutting down
14:57 tverrbjelke_ ?
14:58 twoelk there is also a mod to give mobs a personal name tag - similar effect
14:58 tverrbjelke_ niice!
14:58 twoelk thats the way it should work
14:58 tverrbjelke_ so taming those sheep is what I want for my kids.
14:59 tverrbjelke_ can I "untame" them? maybe my littel daughter tames EVERY sheep it sees
14:59 tverrbjelke_ Or can others kill tamed sheep?
15:01 tverrbjelke_ tagging names would be soo cool. can I install both mods together? same sheep also having name will not work that way, I bet?
15:01 tverrbjelke_ whatever, you have given me some great new insight! I really thank you!
15:01 twoelk I think some mods do indeed protect owned mobs but I cant remember which
15:02 tverrbjelke_ So with the 255HP it should be OK if they simply won't timeout themselves and be back after server restart
15:02 tverrbjelke_ I am really looking forward to present my kids the new game! Esp. with the existing world UPDATED - so we can keep our small village
15:03 tverrbjelke_ I was a bit worried, that I would have to create a new world. minetest is great!
15:03 twoelk btw you can easily create your own tweaked game by copying minetestgame into a new folder, renaming it and changing and adding stuff
15:04 tverrbjelke_ I did a backup today, before I started to install stuff. took 2 GB!
15:04 twoelk the carbone mobs where for example originaly part of the subgame "Carbone"
15:04 tverrbjelke_ happy that linux everything is just a file (database of world e.g.)
15:05 twoelk it is a simple sqlite database file if you went with default
15:05 twoelk on any system
15:06 tverrbjelke_ just in case I change the mod a bit... any chance that my pathch pull-request would be inserted?
15:06 twoelk most is on github
15:06 tverrbjelke_ (I ment question rather this way: Should I care to code nicely, or just hack around?)
15:07 twoelk depends ;-P   in minetest (the engine) style is rather important with individual mods not so much
15:07 tverrbjelke_ well, I did clone it, but alot of projects ... do nbot really care other folks pull requests...)
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15:08 twoelk some mods are more alive than others
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15:09 tverrbjelke_ I see. So it would depend on carbone
15:09 twoelk dreambuilder for example is pretty much alive but a huge modpack so single changes might take a while
15:10 tverrbjelke_ dreambuilder .. my kids will take some time to gfrasp the changes :-D
15:11 tverrbjelke_ that I dare to simply modify a sub-mod prooves the nice design of this game!
15:11 twoelk I can't remember much activity on carbone recently but that may be due to waiting for the new minetest release due in this month
15:12 tverrbjelke_ OK now I havbe to go to my son - he just arrived. I will sstay online here, but of keyboard for a while
15:12 tverrbjelke_ trhx
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15:13 twoelk (better replace the "due" in release with a more vague "planned" :-D)
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15:19 Calinou tverrbjelke_: maybe chance can't be higher than 65535, I don't lnow
15:19 Calinou know
15:22 tverrbjelke_ OK, I will try to incre. chance to 60000 and see...
15:22 tverrbjelke_ with 3-6 players... 6 sheep (incl. the tamed one?) as upper limit OK? or shall I  increase that to maybe 10?
15:23 tverrbjelke_ the rats is also a nice idea. lets have some rats in the world.
15:23 tverrbjelke_ maybe I aklter will make em eat stuff like seeds
15:23 tverrbjelke_ or grain
15:24 Calinou it's 6 sheeps per block (16x16x16 area) IIRC
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15:53 tverrbjelke_ ah - ok. good to know!
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18:32 tverrbjelke_ hm. how can I set the admin user when starting minetestserver from console? Some kinda bash-script or such?
18:33 tverrbjelke_ my starterscript looks like this:
18:33 tverrbjelke_ OPTS="--gameid minetest --world worlds/welt2 --terminal"
18:33 tverrbjelke_ cd ~/bin/minetest-0.4.14/ && ./bin/minetestserver ${OPTS}
18:34 tverrbjelke_ I start the server with it, and then start somewhere a client to login as normal user, that user gets admin...
18:35 tverrbjelke_ or should I leave the --world argument?
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18:36 tverrbjelke_ intention: start server in console - there use "Grobi" as offline admin (without gui)  - who is using the server-terminal and run clients with normal
18:36 tverrbjelke_ users
18:36 tverrbjelke_ how to do this?
18:37 twoelk but name= in minetest.config point script to minetest.config
18:38 tverrbjelke_ ok - and in script I can set admin user? how?
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18:38 tverrbjelke_ ./minetestserver --help
18:38 tverrbjelke_ Allowed options:
18:38 tverrbjelke_ --config <value>      Load configuration from specified file
18:39 tverrbjelke_ you mean --config? or --name???
18:39 twoelk make a minetest.config add value in that, point start script to use that file as config fil
18:39 tverrbjelke_ minetestserver currently finds its config file (I have a in-place installation)
18:40 tverrbjelke_ config file line "name=Grobi"? spaces?
18:40 twoelk read https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/master/minetest.conf.example
18:40 twoelk server section
18:43 Out`Of`Control Anyone know if recent homedecore modpack support protection_bypass privs?
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20:16 tverrbjelke_ thx.
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20:19 Allycat007 I'm at school rn
20:23 Allycat007 I'm bored
20:27 Allycat007 Blwaaaaah
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20:38 tokage play some minetest!
21:10 whitephoenix if I made some ARM builds would anyone use them?
21:10 whitephoenix maybe I could make a dropbox or something
21:13 Calinou whitephoenix: ARM builds for which platform, Android, Linux?
21:13 Calinou I don't think they'd be very used
21:13 whitephoenix linux
21:13 whitephoenix for raspberry pis and stuff
21:13 Calinou Minetest on RPi doesn't run that well (if at all) on the client-side
21:13 Calinou though it's ok as a server
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21:14 Calinou but it's not that hard to compile yourself :)
21:14 Calinou (but may be a bit long)
21:14 Calinou (probably below an hour, but still)
21:14 whitephoenix yeah my though process was try to save some other people the long compile
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21:16 twoelk wasn't there allready such somewhere on the forum?
21:16 Calinou twoelk: I distribute only 64-bit x86
21:17 Calinou and most people who provide builds provide usually only x86 in general
21:17 twoelk didn't megaf or someone else share a low level rpi built?
21:21 * twoelk wonders whether a flatpak version may run on a rpi https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=42&amp;t=15336
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21:22 Calinou I'm not sure if Flatpak/AppImage/Snap work on ARM
21:22 whitephoenix flatpak isn't in raspbian repos
21:22 whitephoenix which is not surprising because I'm realizing that raspbian is a massive pile of crap
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21:25 whitephoenix I'd just crosscompile but cmake seems insist that it uses gcc instead of clang
21:26 Calinou there are other distros, such as Arch Linux ARM
21:27 Calinou whitephoenix: you can change the compiler used with CMake, cmake . -DCMAKE_C_COMPILER=/usr/bin/clang -DCMAKE_CXX_COMPILER=/usr/bin/clang++
21:27 whitephoenix yeah I'll probably install void
21:27 Calinou (IIRC)
21:27 whitephoenix Calinou, yeah I'm trying that but it's still using gcc for some reason
21:28 Calinou what if you use "export CC=/usr/bin/clang; export CXX=/usr/bin/clang++"
21:28 Calinou or something
21:28 Calinou I forgot the exact command
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21:28 Calinou http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7031126/switchi​ng-between-gcc-and-clang-llvm-using-cmake#7032021
21:28 Calinou this
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23:05 IhrFussel I have vehicles on my server but i only want them to be available via /give ... Is there a way to disable entities from showing up in the creative menu?
23:06 IhrFussel For nods i add them to the group "not_in_creative_inventory" but i dont think i can define such groups for entities
23:06 IhrFussel Nodes*
23:07 octacian AFAIK, the "entities" in the inventory are actually items, so not_in_creative_inventory works. Entities themselves do not show up in the creative inventory to my knowledge.
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23:27 IhrFussel Doesn't seem to work, i added "groups = {not_in_creative_inventory=1}" inside register_entity()
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23:30 Out`Of`Control noone use homedecore modpack?
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23:41 Fixer a lot of servers use it
23:41 Out`Of`Control Fixer: i just wonder if recent one has support for protection_bypass priv
23:42 Fixer Out`Of`Control: ask VanessaE
23:42 Out`Of`Control VanessaE: hi, does homedecor suport protection_bypass priv?
23:42 VanessaE I don't know, actually
23:43 Out`Of`Control i guess no
23:43 Out`Of`Control VanessaE: do you plan to add it?
23:43 VanessaE nope.
23:43 VanessaE I don't even know what it is :P
23:44 Out`Of`Control or there is other way to get items from locked things
23:44 VanessaE but I'm not the only one with write access to the repo :)
23:44 Chinchou Should MT really be stopping <mt_dir>/builtin/init.lua from reading auth.txt?  Complaining about mod security, even though I have it disabled.
23:45 Out`Of`Control VanessaE: ok thank you for info
23:45 Chinchou https://defuse.ca/b/Z086yXNe
23:45 garywhite VanessaE: protection_bypass is like another priv that's like having the areas priv, but you can only add/remove nodes in protection, not anything like remove others' areas like having the areas priv
23:46 VanessaE hm
23:46 VanessaE interesting idea.
23:46 VanessaE well if someone wants to add support, I won't interfere
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23:49 Out`Of`Control garywhite: its for opening locked things?
23:50 garywhite I believe so

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