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00:00 garywhite So all I have to do is add in whatever mods I want to add, edit the game.conf to the right name, and that's it?
00:03 kaeza I don't recall the exact details, but the bare minimum is the `mapgen_*` aliases in `default/mapgen.lua` (unless you have some mod setting the mapgen to singlenode and handling mapgen yourself)
00:03 kaeza other than that, anything you want
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00:05 garywhite OK, also do I need to get the permission of the developer of each mod to use it?
00:07 kaeza read the mod license :^)
00:07 garywhite I have to read the mod license?
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00:10 Calinou garywhite: or read a TL;DR, at your own risk
00:10 Calinou http://choosealicense.com/
00:10 Calinou most mods use MIT license or equivalent, a few use GPL
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00:13 garywhite What I'll do is (since it will go on GitHub anyway) in the README files I'll put all the mods with credits for each's developer aside from the main minetest_game files, and put it under the MIT license. That should cover my butt
00:14 PR4061Works *,...,*
00:14 garywhite Do you guys think that'll work?
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00:17 kaeza WANL, but stay clear of CC-ND (and possibly -NC) stuff
00:17 garywhite kaeza: WANL?
00:17 kaeza We are not lawyers
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00:18 garywhite So basically, in your opinion, as long as I stay clear of stuff under a Creative Commons license (perhaps look for ones under WTFPL and MIT), I should be OK?
00:19 kaeza no, CC is fine, but not -ND (No Derivatives) and possibly -NC (Non Commercial)
00:19 garywhite ok
00:20 garywhite But WTFPL and MIT are basically like the failsafes, as long as you give credit, you're fine?
00:20 kaeza WTFPL is pretty... explicit, if you know what I mean :P
00:21 garywhite yeah
00:25 kaeza read `Calinou's link
00:25 garywhite You know what, I'll just ask the devs of each mod, that's the best way to cover me
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00:46 Sokomine hmm. why don't the images for moresnow show up on github's wiki? https://github.com/Sokomine/moresnow/wiki is supposed to have some small images...
00:55 octacian garywhite: please don't use WTFPL...
00:57 garywhite I probably won't, maybe CC-BY-SA
00:58 octacian keep in mind, CC-BY-SA (what I use) only covers media. While MIT or GPL only covers code.
00:58 octacian not something that will really matter, just useful to know if you make your own mod :)
00:59 kaeza Unlicense or CC-0 are alternatives to WTFPL, if you want to go that way
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00:59 garywhite ok. I'm also working on my own Linux desktop to run in Virtualbox
01:00 octacian yeah
01:00 garywhite (Suse Studio again)
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01:03 kaeza Sokomine, try using the absolute URL
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01:18 Sokomine kaeza: thanks! that did help. the images are now there :-)
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01:19 VanessaE sorry for the frequent joins/parts for Shadowbot.  I'm trying to fix it.
01:19 kaeza Sokomine, you are quite welcome :)
01:20 kaeza those screesnshots look very nice
01:20 kaeza in particular the snow covered stairs, fences, etc
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01:21 garywhite Hi swift110
01:22 swift110 hey garywhite
01:23 kaeza the old snow texture looked better, IMHO :(
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01:26 kaeza does snow really look that way? looks like white sand to me
01:27 Sokomine yes, it does. the new snow texture is not always ideal. moresnow just takes whatever snow texture is installed
01:28 longerstaff13 I kinda liked the old snow myself too
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02:03 Lunchington Howdy
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02:08 kaeza greetings
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02:09 Lunchington just poking around minetest, heard of it but never really looked at it
02:09 Lunchington modding API is most interesting to me
02:13 swift110 hmm cool Lunchington
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03:11 Lunchington swift110, yeah i admin a small gaming group (mostly modded MC) looking for something different
03:12 Lunchington something we can make our own. and settled on minetest.
03:13 garywhite If you're looking to mod for MT, take a look at the minetest modding book by rubenwardy
03:14 kaeza Lunchington, welcome to the dark side, we have cookies!
03:14 Lunchington garywhite, i read it through :) been browsing existing mods and code bases
03:14 Lunchington i am very familiar with lua, i used to maintain some WOW addons back in my younger days
03:15 Lunchington kaeza, I do love cookies
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08:11 sfan5 Lunchington: make sure you don't expect a perfect mc clone :P many people have come here with that plan and leave because of the little things and small missing features they are used to
08:13 sfan5 Lunchington: also important difference: the modding api is waay more limited when you compare it to MC mods where you can just edit the code as you wish
08:13 sfan5 however that doesn't stop modders from writing huge & complicated mods
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15:49 Out`Of`Control hi
15:50 Lunchington sfan5, I know I have looked at it pretty deeply and would take a fully realised API over rewriting a mod every single time the game updates like in MC :)
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15:51 Lunchington sfan5, working around limitations is the best part for me
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16:02 fireglow anybody else got arms that are stuck up in the air with the latest 3d_armor?
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16:28 PR4061works time to visit floatlands
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16:46 PR4061works sfan5: floatlands are nice for base building, very distant from kids at spawn, maximum of ores
16:46 sfan5 yup
16:46 PR4061works i hope servers will embrace it
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16:49 PR4061works interesting caves in floatlands
16:49 PR4061works including grassy parts
16:49 PR4061works nice for etho style building in caves
16:51 PR4061works my next achievement will be growing a tree in such cave by mining mese and sand for light
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17:06 IKRadulov Hello I am trying to make a function that regens hp with the minetest api . It does not trow any errors but it simply does not work can you check it : http://pastebin.com/DdB6ttb3
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17:11 Krock IKRadulov, when should it regenerate the hp - and in what inverval?
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17:12 jdrews I'm building 0.4.14 release from git on debian8. Anyone know how to get past this error while running make? make[2]: *** No rule to make target '/lib/x86_6​4-linux-gnu/libncurses.so.5', needed by 'bin/minetest'.  Stop.
17:12 IKRadulov There is a chat command that I made for the player to sit . There I call it
17:12 IKRadulov I have not set a interval
17:14 IKRadulov @jbrews do you have ncurses 5 ?
17:15 jdrews I sure do. libncurses5, libncurses5-dev, libncursesw5, libncursesw5-dev
17:16 Calinou yeah, never got ncurses to build here :'(
17:16 Calinou I want it badly, it's so good :P
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17:18 jdrews so I might have messed up some cmake arguments a while back. Following some old #minetest instructions I ran cmake with these arguements "
17:18 jdrews -DCURSES_USE_NCURSES=1 -DCURSES_INCLUDE_PATH="/usr/include/curses.h" -DCURSES_LIBRARY="/lib/x86_6​​4-linux-gnu/libncurses.so.5"
17:18 jdrews Which by the way are wrong. It should be -DCURSES_USE_NCURSES=1 -DCURSES_INCLUDE_PATH="/usr/include/" -DCURSES_LIBRARY="/lib/x86_6​​4-linux-gnu/libncurses.so.5"
17:19 IKRadulov why not see the build steps in Arch Linux minetest aur package . I have ncurses with the build . ldd : libncursesw.so.6 => /usr/lib/libncursesw.so.6 (0x00007fa789c48000)
17:19 jdrews @IKRadulov I will check that out. Thanks!
17:20 IKRadulov @jbrews my package is exectly minetest-git-leveldb
17:21 Calinou my AppImages now feature LevelDB :) but no ncurses :(
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17:25 IKRadulov Wath is the difirence betwene betwene LevelDB and default backend ?
17:25 sfan5 jdrews: do not tell cmake where your ncurses is unless you need to
17:25 sfan5 overriding the curses autodetection will break in exactly this way
17:26 sfan5 IKRadulov: leveldb is mostly faster, especially with flash memory
17:26 IKRadulov nice
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17:26 IKRadulov @Calinou you are a mod developer right ?
17:27 Calinou IKRadulov: yes but I don't work on my mods much anymore
17:27 Calinou they're part of minetest-mods collective
17:27 Calinou which maintains them
17:27 IKRadulov can you help me with my function ?
17:28 Calinou note, if you want health regeneration, you need to register your function per-step
17:28 Calinou register_globalstep or something
17:28 Calinou a step is 0.1s by default but it can be changed by server admin
17:29 IKRadulov Yea but I have a function witch plays the sit animation and then goes to the regegen function
17:30 IKRadulov i wan't the effect to be when i am sitting
17:30 Calinou you'll still need to use globalstep, I believe
17:30 Calinou and apply regeneration only when sitting
17:30 Calinou else it'll give you one HP but only when sitting once, not on regular intervals
17:30 Calinou I'm not sure if minetest.after() can be used too, maybe sfan5 can reply
17:31 IKRadulov when i use minetest.after in the function  minetest lags a lot .
17:31 sfan5 dunno
17:31 sfan5 register_globalstep sounds more appropiate for this
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17:40 BrandonReese I use minetest.after to regenerate hp while laying down. It could be the same for sitting. The function checks the animation and if it equals "sit" then it adds a certain amount to their HP. The function runs every 5 seconds or so.
17:42 IKRadulov nope in global step the hp is not changed at all
17:42 IKRadulov i insenred player:set_hp(9) while playing the standing animation and nothing
17:42 IKRadulov i will try that
17:47 BrandonReese IKRadulov, Something like this should work http://pastebin.com/wwDsaRXD
17:54 whitephoenix beerware best license
17:55 Krock https://tldrlegal.com/license/beerware-license
17:55 Krock going to use that soon
17:55 Krock sounds lovely
17:55 garywhite XD
17:56 Krock but there's no warranty disclaimer
17:56 whitephoenix just in, linus torvalds converts linux to use beerware license, drowns in beer at local bar
17:56 Krock o/
17:57 IKRadulov briliant idea . but i don't have time now
17:57 Krock sudo apt-get install time
18:00 Calinou yeah, keep using MIT license
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19:25 fireglow http://pbs.twimg.com/media​/CyxLTMMW8AAvwFN.jpg:orig :>
19:43 Axord Heh.
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20:34 Allycat007 Where is OldCoder?
20:35 garywhite He's here
20:35 fireglow hi garywhite
20:35 garywhite Hello
20:37 Allycat007 OK am I allowed to send music from you tube?
20:37 Calinou Allycat007: send where?
20:37 Allycat007 To OldCoder
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20:55 Allycat007 Can I send music from YouTube to OldCoder
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20:57 Krock just do it, Allycat007
20:57 Allycat007 I can?
20:58 Allycat007 And I won't get in trouble Krock
20:59 fireglow now I want to see
20:59 Allycat007 See wut?
20:59 Krock you get in trouble for stealing golden earrings or robbing a bank - but not for sending someone a link
21:00 Allycat007 OK do u guys want to hear the music too?
21:00 Krock oh well, for some links you might also get some trouble
21:00 Allycat007 It's music from YouTube
21:01 kaeza but but, sharing is theft! the *AA said it!
21:01 Krock Allycat007, only if it's good music :P  (because good is for everyone the same) (sarcasm)
21:01 kaeza Minetest is communist and evil
21:01 Allycat007 Like nothing inappropriate right?
21:02 kaeza also, greetings
21:02 Krock yes, if possible
21:02 Krock greetings, kaeza
21:03 Krock btw, you requested the same change in paramat's pull I made about 30 minutes earlier, kaeza
21:03 kaeza Krock, oh?
21:03 Krock *that I
21:03 kaeza Krock, sorry I missed that. mobile interface sucks
21:03 Krock https://github.com/minetest/minetest​_game/pull/1436#discussion_r90758040
21:04 Krock oh? github works for mobile? last time I tried (long time ago) it displayed a wrecked desktop version
21:04 Calinou it has a mobile site now but it lacks many features
21:04 Allycat007 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKIsUrfbiE0
21:05 kaeza I use Octodroid, but looks like it doesn't show line comments in the PR discussion view
21:05 Allycat007 Oops
21:05 Allycat007 Wrong one
21:06 kaeza nice, an update :|
21:06 Allycat007 https://www.youtube.com/watch?=MKlsUrfbiE0
21:06 kaeza "Este vídeo no está disponible. Disculpa las molestias."
21:07 Allycat007 Uugh stupid and thing
21:07 Krock !title
21:07 MinetestBot Krock: YouTube
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21:08 Allycat007 Just look up come little children
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21:10 Allycat007 Krock just look up come little children
21:17 kaeza https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqxnHl7Q4Rw
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23:01 fireglow [b]2016-12-04[/b]: Updated minetestserver to 0.4.14-329-g8a7dc838, minetest_game to 0.4.14-182-gc5f11d7, and all mods
23:01 fireglow argh
23:03 Calinou [b][i][u]MERRY CHRISTMAS!!![/u][/i][/b]
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23:10 kaeza http://www.bash.org/?949643 ;)
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23:28 PR4061works Calinou: where?
23:31 Calinou PR4061works: [color=#ff0000]nowhere![/color]
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23:38 ShadowNinja Huh, freenode's apparently opened up group registration.
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23:45 LinuxGuy2020 If I have a server going and its NOT creative mode, and I grant people the world edit priv, will it utilize the blocks from there inventory or do they just get added to the world even if the player doesnt have enough?
23:46 fireglow will get added, when they use commands like //set
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23:47 LinuxGuy2020 fireglow: DO the blocks get removed from player inventory or not?
23:48 fireglow they will just appear in the world
23:49 LinuxGuy2020 fireglow: ok thank you. Is there any way to change its behavior to have them removed from inventory or is it just a limitation of the worldedit mod?
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