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sfan5 |
. |
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Anderssen |
OK, I'm using Debian Linux, and what I did is, I unpacked the cme-2_3_1-BlockMen mod in .minetest/mods ; it unpacked into the folder "cme" . I added the line "load_mod_cme-master = true" into world.mt ; but it doesn't seem to have an effect. When I log in and enter "/mods" the "cme" mod doesn't show up. |
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Anderssen |
I also tried "load_mod_cme = true" |
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VanessaE |
you have to make sure the mod is actually correctly named |
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VanessaE |
one thing for sure is "cme-master" is not it. |
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Anderssen |
yeah, but it doesn't seem to be cme either |
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Anderssen |
"cme-master" though is the name under which it shows up in the gui, if I do a single player map |
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VanessaE |
mods aren't allowed to have a - in the name |
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VanessaE |
and the "-master" part is just something github adds to the folder name |
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VanessaE |
you better go find the forum thread for that mod, I'm sure it'll say there what the correct name is |
| 12:10 |
VanessaE |
(I know some mods have a config file in there that renders the above roles moot, but most aren't like that I guess) |
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VanessaE |
rules* |
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Anderssen |
wait, I think I have to activate the single elements of the mod, not the mod as a whole, i. e. "zombie" "ghost" etc |
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VanessaE |
oh, it's a modpack? |
| 12:12 |
Anderssen |
yeah |
| 12:12 |
VanessaE |
then yeah |
| 12:12 |
VanessaE |
activate them singly. |
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Anderssen |
hm, has no effect either ... |
| 12:15 |
VanessaE |
did you make sure to enable whatever else that modpack depends on? |
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Anderssen |
oh, it depends on "creatues" |
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Anderssen |
creatures |
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VanessaE |
there ya go :) |
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Anderssen |
oh darn, still doesnt work |
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Anderssen |
I'll copy the mod into the world directory |
| 12:17 |
VanessaE |
<minetestdir>/worlds/<your world>/worldmods/ |
| 12:18 |
VanessaE |
so e.g. /home/anderssen/.minetest/worlds/mytestingworld/worldmods/ |
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VanessaE |
or whatever the equivalent is on your machine. |
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Anderssen |
hm |
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Anderssen |
and they should all activate automatically? |
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VanessaE |
yep |
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VanessaE |
as long as all dependencies are met, of course. |
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Anderssen |
yeah, that one only uses the default mods |
| 12:21 |
Anderssen |
hm, still doesn't show up |
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Anderssen |
for the record, I'm using that: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=8638 |
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VanessaE |
you sure that mod isn't simply too old? (noting the first-post date) |
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Anderssen |
yeah, but it works on a singleplayer map |
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Anderssen |
it says it requires 4.13; I'm using 4.14; should work |
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rafalcpp_ |
what changed in last ~year? |
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rafalcpp_ |
do we yet have cool mobs? |
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sfan5 |
no |
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Anderssen |
It might help if I could activate the mod via the GUI, but that one doesn't work anymore ever since I updated the Kernel from 3.16 to 4.8 :/ |
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VanessaE |
no gfx driver |
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VanessaE |
? |
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Anderssen |
I think it's somethign with Irrlicht |
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VanessaE |
shouldn't matter. |
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Anderssen |
it says, the build was compiled with Irrlicht 1.83, but I currently have 1.84 installed |
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Hirato |
if it is kernel related, tell linus so he can go yell at people |
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VanessaE |
irrlight should work even with the Mesa3d/VESA drivers |
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VanessaE |
oh that's not kernel related. |
| 12:37 |
VanessaE |
you just need to recompile minetest. |
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sfan5 |
Anderssen: you can try "video_driver = software" in minetest.conf |
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sfan5 |
oh |
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Hirato |
where do I see what it was built with? |
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Anderssen |
one second |
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Hirato |
also wtf |
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Hirato |
is RealBadAngel really dead? |
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sfan5 |
yes |
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Hirato |
F |
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VanessaE |
I'm afraid so :( |
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Anderssen |
ok, what I did now was, I set the video driver to software, I still get the warning with the Irrlight Engine, the next thing is: "Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory" |
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VanessaE |
Anderssen: fix the irrlight problem first - recompile. |
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Anderssen |
and "Cannot connect to server request channel" and "jack server is not running or cannot be started" |
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Calinou |
Hirato: yes, in March |
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Calinou |
(2016) |
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Anderssen |
VanessaE, is it simple to recompile? Usually I prefer just to install it with apt-get or zypper or the like |
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VanessaE |
compiling minetest is fairly easy yes |
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sfan5 |
Anderssen: you can ignore that |
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sfan5 |
it should still start correctly |
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Hirato |
says here I've had irrlicht 1.8.4 installed since10th of July |
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Anderssen |
sfan5, the irrlight thing? |
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sfan5 |
the "Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory" thing |
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sfan5 |
nvm looks like the irr software driver is broken |
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sfan5 |
try "video_driver = burningsvideo" |
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Anderssen |
oh, with that option, it starts |
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sfan5 |
don't even try to start any game though |
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sfan5 |
this is just so you can use the gui for configuring |
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Anderssen |
ok, what would happen then |
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sfan5 |
it would be really slow |
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Anderssen |
hehehe |
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Anderssen |
hm, mabye I'm running with the wrong parameters |
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Anderssen |
ok, what happened now is: I started the server with burningsvideo nonetheless. there, the mods are activated |
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Anderssen |
however, If I dont start the gui but user minetest --server instead, the mods are not on |
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Anderssen |
"use minetest" |
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Anderssen |
ok, what the heck, when I start minetest --server --world [name] it doesn't work, but it works when i supply the whole complete path (/home/.../worlds/[name] |
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Anderssen |
so, that's a good thing |
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Anderssen |
I still don't know how to go about that Irrlight thing though |
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twoelk |
doesn't that work? -> https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=3837 |
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Calinou |
uploading a new AppImage (built on Ubuntu 14.04 this time) on https://archive.hugo.pro/minetest/ ... |
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Calinou |
it has been tested successfully on Fedora 24 and Debian 8 |
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Anderssen |
twoelk, I'll try thanks |
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Calinou |
it's up, please test :) |
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Anderssen |
twoelk, there seems to be a problem with mariadb-server, one of the dependencies; apt saysmariadb-server-10.0 (>= 10.0.28-2) but it is not going to be installed |
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VanessaE |
since when did Minetest need mariadb? |
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Anderssen |
maybe it has something to do with libsqlite |
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twoelk |
why mariadb? are you trying to run minetest using that instead of sqlite? |
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Anderssen |
it appeared when i pasted the command from the forum you linked |
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Anderssen |
seems to be a dependency |
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twoelk |
Calinou? are you online? |
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twoelk |
I'm not aware of mariadb being used anywhere by minetest |
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Anderssen |
kk |
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Anderssen |
anyhow, I'm sure it will resolve itself; the next builds are certainly going to be made with the newest irrlicht anyway |
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twoelk |
could that be a request by your setup? |
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twoelk |
the only thing I can see so far is that libjpeg62-turbo-dev might need to replace libjpeg8-dev |
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Anderssen |
I'm not sure from where it comes; at least not in context with minetest |
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Anderssen |
it's running on a virtual server though |
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Anderssen |
and that one definitely uses (inter alia) mariadb |
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Anderssen |
or something ... :P |
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twoelk |
you might want to study the thread as several cornercase variants have been posted there |
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Anderssen |
if anyone wants to do me a favour and briefly connect to my server, to check if you can log in? I'd pm you the IP (don't want to publish it yet) |
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twoelk |
hm |
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twoelk |
I might have a few minutes :-P |
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Anderssen |
kk :P |
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Anderssen |
doesn't have to be even an entire minute of course, it's just to test if basic connection and interaction works |
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minitest |
hellow |
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minitest |
anyone knows how all the animals are dying? XD |
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minitest |
i can see animals but they die unespectedly |
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minitest |
r u guys here all afk? xD |
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twoelk |
what animals? zombies die in the sun for example |
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Axord |
I have sheep and chickens seemingly die without cause sometimes. |
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twoelk |
most mobs are deleted after a certain time |
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Axord |
Leaving behind meat? Huh. |
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twoelk |
some can be tamed or named in some versions. They wont dissapear then |
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Axord |
Makes sense. |
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minitest |
oops sorry i got dc |
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minitest |
zombies and those die at the day its ok |
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minitest |
but sheeps and ducks should stay alive if they are not being attacked isnt it? |
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minitest |
may be i should try to build a little farm with some animals but if they will die i wont xD |
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twoelk |
you will have to tame the animals (feed them the right stuff) but different mods handle this differently |
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twoelk |
we did have problems with sheep overpopulations in the past several times |
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minitest |
hahaha |
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Calinou |
twoelk: back |
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minitest |
so fun that i know what u mean |
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minitest |
ok ok but ive seen ducks eating grass from the floor |
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minitest |
and i feel they die so quick, i use to see them then they die just wheni approach them |
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minitest |
may be due to a heartache |
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twoelk |
no to get attached to a player said player will have to feed them |
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minitest |
ah u mean for them to follow you? |
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twoelk |
what mobs mod are you using? |
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twoelk |
no for them to draw from your life energy muahah |
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minitest |
just one called farming |
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twoelk |
Calinou, seen Anderssens problems with the one-line-script? Can't imagine that to be a minetest problem though |
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Calinou |
twoelk: the one-line script is broken |
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twoelk |
oops |
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Calinou |
it can't be made to work on all maintained distros anymore |
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Calinou |
because Ubuntu decided to ship libpng16 in 16.10, but not in previous versions |
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Calinou |
so the command line can't be valid for Ubuntu 16.10 *and* older versions |
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Calinou |
there's also the debacle about libjpeg, same problem. |
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twoelk |
does it say that in the first post yet? |
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Calinou |
no, I will update it |
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minitest |
wow |
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Calinou |
will link to the AppImages as a simpler method too |
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minitest |
bbl guys ty for the tips |
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Calinou |
twoelk: there, updated |
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twoelk |
and I kept pointing people to it |
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twoelk |
I used it only a few months ago, had no problems :-( |
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Calinou |
twoelk: AppImages are less hacky than a one-line script, and they don't require root |
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Calinou |
you don't need to compile anything or even open a terminal to use them |
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twoelk |
yeah but I liked editing the script to adjust to my needs |
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mangul |
hi! is PilzAdams alive? |
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mangul |
3 commits in his github account last year! |
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twoelk |
he does show up now and then but rarely |
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twoelk |
probably busy studying at university |
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mangul |
ah ok |
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mangul |
good he is alive! |
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* twoelk |
, normally on windows, has now to learn about AppImage |
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Calinou |
I build AppImages in virtual machines, I'm on Windows too :P |
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Calinou |
(used to use Linux more or less full-time though) |
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twoelk |
I have to work on windows as that is what everybody uses that I have to communicate with :-( but I use Linux when playing with old hardware and DOS and ReacTos |
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mangul |
heh |
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mangul |
i like DOS too |
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mangul |
i have a floppy with digger gb and pacman |
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twoelk |
Games that fit on a floppy :'-) the memories |
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agaran |
games that did not need more than 580kB of conventional memory available, no dpms, no himem, no EMS.. |
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Calinou |
university requires me (indirectly) to use Windows, also a lot of things on Linux on the desktop leave me unhappy |
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Calinou |
(being unable to use a LTS OS with latest apps well is one of those problems, which AppImage partially solves) |
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mangul |
Calinou: Evil University! |
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sfan5 |
Calinou: use arch :^) |
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Calinou |
sfan5: stability suffers too much, Fedora is an acceptable compromise but the defaults are not remotely sane |
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Calinou |
mangul: almost all universities do that, very few ones don't require (explicitly or implictly) Adobe or Office |
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Calinou |
all students use Office here (which they get for free) |
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mangul |
do they get free wirndows too? |
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mangul |
Windows* |
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Calinou |
mangul: nope |
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Calinou |
but remember what Santa says: |
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Calinou |
"Where there is not light, there can KMSpico!" |
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Calinou |
:P |
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sfan5 |
well first you need a windows iso |
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Calinou |
sfan5: you can get one legally for free |
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sfan5 |
indeed |
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Calinou |
usually from the Windows Insider program |
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Calinou |
(if you want Enterprise, if you want other editions, no need for that) |
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Calinou |
that's for Windows 10 |
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Calinou |
previous Windows ISOs (especially 7) are much less public |
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mangul |
anyway to get free windows?legal way |
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mangul |
heh they give free office for students |
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Calinou |
free and legal Windows only exists for 30 days, or if you have a MSDN/DreamSpark subscription (which we don't) |
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Calinou |
mangul: yes, Microsoft is nicer than Adobe for that, though not perfect |
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Calinou |
JetBrains and Allegorithmic are even nicer, you get their full software "for free" for 1 year (renewable) |
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Calinou |
and the procedure is easy, too |
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Calinou |
(you need a proof that you're student, and the verification is automatic in some cases) |
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Calinou |
meanwhile, Adobe requires you to pay €20/month for their software while you're a student, which is a lot |
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mangul |
always there is an illegal way hehe |
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octacian |
OldCoder: I didn't PM for that reason. Maybe somebody else would have a suggestion :P |
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* twoelk |
wonders wether a dos simulator could be coded in lua |
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mangul |
lol |
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mangul |
even if it's possible it would be slow |
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twoelk |
have you ever run old games on modern hardware? most are pretty fast |
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twoelk |
some too fast to play |
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mangul |
heh |
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twoelk |
hardware is so much faster today |
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Fixer |
you can still download windows 7/8/etc isos |
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Fixer |
via special program |
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garywhite |
I've run Midtown Madness 2 (2000) on my Win7 lapto |
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garywhite |
p* |
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Fixer |
twoelk: yet is this windows gets slower |
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Fixer |
without is |
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twoelk |
legal win7 isos can't be that expansive |
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mangul |
twoelk: implementation with lua i meant |
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Fixer |
twoelk: you can download it freely, you need to buy key |
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Fixer |
iirc |
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twoelk |
the last one I had to buy was less than 20 euro |
| 16:52 |
Fixer |
iso are fine to download |
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Fixer |
isos |
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twoelk |
ah, correct, I paid for the key |
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mangul |
yes |
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mangul |
how much is Windows 7 starter? |
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garywhite |
I think that may be OEM-only |
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mangul |
twoelk: no digger and pacman were fine! |
| 16:53 |
twoelk |
no? |
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mangul |
so lemme change the question: what is the cheapest windows? |
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mangul |
twoelk: they were not fast |
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twoelk |
plastic window? |
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mangul |
twoelk: DOS does not use all the hardware |
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mangul |
twoelk: heh |
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twoelk |
try ReacTos, it has come quite a way |
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garywhite |
mangul: You can probably get a copy of XP for pretty cheap...But ReactOS is probably safer, it's based off of the Windows NT kernel if I remember, so it should be compatible with Windows XP/Vista/7/8/10 software |
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Fixer |
Calinou: "Where there is not light, there can KMSpico!" i see what you did there, never heard of this one |
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Fixer |
Calinou: i think long time ago it was possible to buy OEM XP with a mouse for cheeeeeap |
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mangul |
garywhite: afaik reactos is not stable for daily usage |
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twoelk |
oops was that the old AtariTos I had lurking in my memories? |
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twoelk |
mangul: depends |
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red-001 |
reactos isn't getting released in the next few decades |
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garywhite |
Then Windows XP is probably cheapest, although Microsoft dropped support in April of 2014 |
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mangul |
how much is xp? |
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Fixer |
i think you can buy muuch cheaper keys on ebay |
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Fixer |
read somewhere |
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twoelk |
as it is moving slower than windows, it might never catch up - it works quit well for a lot of stuff though |
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garywhite |
Personally, idk, but as Fixer said, you'd be best checking eBay |
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twoelk |
bah win7 keys should be better and cheap enough |
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mangul |
bye |
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garywhite |
bye |
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red-001 |
reactos is still trying to recreate windows 2003 |
| 17:00 |
red-001 |
bye |
| 17:01 |
garywhite |
Yeah, with a Windows 9x start menu |
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red-001 |
I doubt they could catch up any time soon even if their team was as large as ms |
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twoelk |
well, I wouldn't mind if they stayed behind a little on the more safer ground and watch what windows blunders in next |
| 17:02 |
Fixer |
you can download classic shell anyway for any win |
| 17:02 |
red-001 |
well any new start menu isn't really high on the todo list for making an OS |
| 17:02 |
Fixer |
or use linux if possible |
| 17:03 |
twoelk |
I guess installing a complete OS on a local device is getting outdated by cloud based services anyways - shudder |
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* garywhite |
nudges VanessaE cause there seems to be an issue with her IRC |
| 17:05 |
twoelk |
owning the right to use software for an unlimited time is probably also going to vanish more sooner than later |
| 17:06 |
VanessaE |
I'm migrating services to a new machine,. |
| 17:06 |
twoelk |
again? |
| 17:06 |
garywhite |
Well everyone got dropped, even on my channel... |
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Jordach |
VanessaE, FeelsBadMAN |
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VanessaE |
garywhite: that's because I shut it all down :) |
| 17:07 |
garywhite |
Even the MT servers? |
| 17:07 |
VanessaE |
those, too |
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VanessaE |
IRC, services, and shadowbot are up and running on the new box. |
| 17:07 |
VanessaE |
the minetest instances are coming soon. |
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garywhite |
ok, cause it appears my server and one of DI3's servers are the only ones on the entire network |
| 17:09 |
VanessaE |
twoelk: yeah - downgraded to a cheaper machine (which happens to also have SSDs). |
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twoelk |
I thought you changed to SSD's long time ago |
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VanessaE |
nope. |
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* twoelk |
remembers some remarks about spinning rust |
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VanessaE |
I did but it didn't work out, bad hardware or something |
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garywhite |
So VanessaE, once your IRC server comes back up, will everything be able to reconnect without a reconfig? |
| 17:11 |
Jordach |
eys |
| 17:11 |
Jordach |
yes |
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Jordach |
...that's hte point of IRC, isn't it :^) |
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twoelk |
Jordach: were those pics you posted BFD? |
| 17:12 |
Jordach |
not BFD ;) |
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Jordach |
notice the distinc lack of blocks |
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VanessaE |
garywhite: it should - it's already back up, you probably just need to clear your DNS cache or wait for it to propagate |
| 17:14 |
garywhite |
Propagate? |
| 17:14 |
VanessaE |
yeah |
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twoelk |
oh, something new then. lack of blocks? cant see with all them repeating patterns blocking the view ;-P |
| 17:14 |
VanessaE |
daconcepts.com still points to the old 198.* address for some people |
| 17:15 |
VanessaE |
the domain already points to the new IP but it takes a while for that to filter down to everyone |
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garywhite |
Would restarting a Minetest server correct it and allow it to connect? |
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twoelk |
I like the color palette though |
| 17:15 |
VanessaE |
garywhite: no, you have to clear your machine's DNS cache or just wait |
| 17:16 |
VanessaE |
right now I'm waiting for the minetest servers' data to copy over from the old server to the new one |
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VanessaE |
and it's being slow |
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twoelk |
live game server and mass copying data on the same server? ought to be slow |
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agaran |
do you have anything again spinning rust? ;) |
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VanessaE |
twoelk: which is why the game servers are offline until I'm done copying :P |
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twoelk |
I wonder if servers in alaska can be offered cheaper 'cause they might need less power for cooling :-D |
| 17:19 |
VanessaE |
heh |
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twoelk |
where's your new datacenter located at Vanessa? |
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VanessaE |
twoelk: France. |
| 17:20 |
twoelk |
cool but not cold |
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VanessaE |
I'm still with OVH, just went with a cheaper machine that happens to be in their RBX datacenter |
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twoelk |
or rather cold at the moment, as winter is deciding to stay a while |
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agaran |
twoelk: there was some talks and calculations about datacenters moved towards poles for less problems with cooling.. |
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Calinou |
agaran: Facebook seems to have done that, yes |
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agaran |
Calinou, I never used fb.. :) |
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Calinou |
<mangul> how much is Windows 7 starter? |
| 17:22 |
Calinou |
Windows 7 Starter is not sold individually, just saying |
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Calinou |
(they left but still :P) |
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twoelk |
a new industry for greenland and spitzbergen |
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agaran |
yup as long as you can get there solid bunch of fibers and decent power supply |
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twoelk |
well conductivity might be faster if they use cold wires LOL |
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twoelk |
supercoldwires |
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agaran |
nope.. |
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twoelk |
eh? did I get the wording wrong? |
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agaran |
light in fibers moves with speed very close to c, because optical density of glass is not that far from optical density of vacuum |
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twoelk |
light does not travel through wires |
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agaran |
and as far as I remember supercooled coax datasheet it still had 0.75c velocity.. |
| 17:25 |
twoelk |
I said wires as in thin metal |
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agaran |
because of impedance/dielectric parameters.. |
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twoelk |
oh |
| 17:25 |
agaran |
but such wires are used only for power, low frequency.. and you don't care how fast that propagates |
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agaran |
it is all wave mechanics.. |
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twoelk |
so no cool suprafastcomputer :-/ |
| 17:26 |
agaran |
actual electrons in wire are slow.. what is as fast as nearly c, speed of light, is movement of density change of electrons.. |
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agaran |
and nowadays superconductors still require much lower temperature than average in greenland.. |
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* twoelk |
waves |
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agaran |
no.. not because of change of speed of wave propagation |
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agaran |
you can speedup moving to shorter waves tho |
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twoelk |
but LaOla is faster than I can run :-D |
| 17:27 |
agaran |
because then you need shorter time to fit enough full wave cycles to pass information obeying nyquist theorem.. |
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* twoelk |
decides not to look that up |
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* twoelk |
watches the trees wave in the wind and wonders what data is passed around out there |
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* agaran |
decides to rather play some than bore people with physics.. |
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twoelk |
physics aren't boring if the exaples are fun |
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twoelk |
++m |
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* twoelk |
cant type |
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Fixer |
it is how amazing microsoft has increased its antipiracy efforts since XP and yet we have one utility that works for any windows aaaand office... at the same time |
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Fixer |
and you can update it |
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Anderssen |
Hi, has anyone used the rollback function? When I try it, it says "Rollback functions are disabled" |
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VanessaE |
est31: *poke* |
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sfan5 |
Anderssen: you need to enable it |
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Anderssen |
how do you enable it? |
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DI3HARD139 |
enable_rollback = true in the minetest.conf |
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DI3HARD139 |
lemme double check that though. I feel like Im missing something in that |
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DI3HARD139 |
@Anderssen enable_rollback_recording = true |
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Anderssen |
ok |
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Anderssen |
hm, still getting the message "Rollback functions are disabled" |
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DI3HARD139 |
reboot the server |
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Anderssen |
yes, I had restarted it |
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sfan5 |
you might have to wait until it actually records something |
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Anderssen |
kk |
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Anderssen |
hm, doesn't work |
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AcidNinjaFWHR |
hey VanessaE amun irc seems desynchronized from the network |
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VanessaE |
AcidNinjaFWHR: osiris is on a new IP. |
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AcidNinjaFWHR |
is Osiris the only one with ipv6 ? |
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VanessaE |
Shadowninja needs to fix amun to reach for the new IP (188.165.239.81) |
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VanessaE |
(2001:41d0:2:ba51::1) |
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VanessaE |
idk |
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Anderssen |
anyway, rollback isnt that important |
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Anderssen |
however, does anyone know how to make the world-edit logo disappear? It shows up also for users who don't have the world edit priv |
| 19:45 |
iska |
//unmark hides the are grid or do you mean something else? |
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iska |
*area |
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AcidNinjaFWHR |
he means the logo is always shown in the inventory, whatever you have the priv or not. |
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Anderssen |
i mean in the inventory menu |
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Sokomine |
rollback is important. it's the best thing against griefers. locate them, stun them, run rollback before their eyes and then ban them |
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octacian |
Sokomine: stun them? How do you do that? |
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garywhite |
Hi octacian |
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Amaz |
octacian: A mod like this can freeze players, which may be what Sokomine means. https://github.com/PenguinDad/freeze |
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octacian |
ohk |
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Anderssen |
hey, I had to enable rollback in /etc/minetest/minetest.conf (I'm using Ubuntu Server 16). It has no effect in ~/.minetest/minetest.conf |
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Amaz |
octacian: Are you the person developing https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=15955? |
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red-001 |
great an other issue replaced to how minetest handles this sort of stuff |
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garywhite |
VanessaE: For some reason, there is no ChanServ available on almost the entire InchraNet servers...My channel, your server channel, heck even switchboard PvP channel is unregistered |
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red-001 |
Anderssen, you might want to open an issue on github |
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VanessaE |
odd, chanserv is up and running, maybe you're connected to amun? |
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VanessaE |
I need Shadowninja to wake up and fix the connection, amun doesn't expect osiris' new IP. |
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garywhite |
Yes, connected via amun |
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VanessaE |
that would be why. |
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garywhite |
I have it set up to connect through daconcepts.com, but then it reroutes to amun I guess |
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VanessaE |
maybe it hits the round-robin IP then |
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VanessaE |
use 188.165.239.81 until the network is reconnected. |
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garywhite |
Use that to connect to IRC? |
| 20:38 |
VanessaE |
yeah |
| 20:38 |
VanessaE |
it *should* work |
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garywhite |
ok...I'll try |
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VanessaE |
daconcepts.com in your area might still be pointing to the old IP |
| 20:38 |
garywhite |
Well then Comcast SF Bay is still pointing to that |
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garywhite |
I'm in |
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VanessaE |
what do you get when you `dig daconcepts.com` ? |
| 20:42 |
garywhite |
? |
| 20:43 |
VanessaE |
nslookup, dig, whatever tool you use to do a DNS check |
| 20:43 |
garywhite |
I don't use a DNS check tool |
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NPXcoot |
Hey, I tried to ask for a wiki account on the forum (in order to modify the page of nssm, our mod), but probably no one with the permission has checked the thread in the last weeks. Maybe someone here can? |
| 20:44 |
VanessaE |
garywhite: try using one from your comment line then |
| 20:44 |
garywhite |
Command line? |
| 20:44 |
VanessaE |
er command-line yeah |
| 20:45 |
garywhite |
ok, lemme launch Command Promt |
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garywhite |
prompt* |
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VanessaE |
looks like you can just do `nslookup daconcepts.com` on windows. |
| 20:46 |
VanessaE |
I think. |
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garywhite |
yeah |
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sfan5 |
VanessaE: your dns is quite interesting |
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VanessaE |
why? |
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red-001 |
is it a bad sign it says dns request timed out? |
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sfan5 |
it returns two results |
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sfan5 |
AND a servfail |
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KikaRz |
as my old school mates said: nslookup is most used by hackers |
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VanessaE |
sfan5: what do you get? |
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garywhite |
https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/y4UfJxKN/cmd.png |
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sfan5 |
daconcepts.com has address 198.27.68.162 |
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sfan5 |
daconcepts.com has IPv6 address 2607:5300:60:1da2::1 |
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sfan5 |
Host daconcepts.com not found: 2(SERVFAIL) |
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garywhite |
That's what I get |
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VanessaE |
sfan5: that's old data then |
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sfan5 |
did you really move the server to france? |
| 20:48 |
VanessaE |
plus the old server is still online, I haven't shut it down for good yet. |
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VanessaE |
yep |
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sfan5 |
why not keep it in canada? |
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VanessaE |
I'd have kept it in Canada but the server config I wanted wasn't available there. |
| 20:48 |
sfan5 |
aw |
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VanessaE |
s'ok, I get great bandwidth to France from here so I'm not worried |
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sfan5 |
you get nicer ping on the server list now though :D |
| 20:49 |
VanessaE |
heh |
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VanessaE |
(well the old server is up-and-down at the moment) |
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garywhite |
VanessaE: What should someone do if their server is still listed on amun? Nobody can get on there and stay connected really (you said it was up & down |
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garywhite |
Should they have it connect to that IP? |
| 21:00 |
VanessaE |
have those servers connect to 188.165.239.81 |
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garywhite |
Kk |
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VanessaE |
once the domain fully trickles down and Shadowninja fixes the connection to amun, it should be back to normal. |
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* RichardTheTurd |
prefers to use IPs incase the domain goes down at any time |
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DI3HARD139-L |
damn keyboard |
| 21:01 |
garywhite |
So basically connect using the 188 temporarily |
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VanessaE |
garywhite: yeah |
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garywhite |
k |
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DI3HARD139-HPL1 |
thats better |
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zorman2000 |
Hi all. I have a question about licensing. If I make a mod which depends on other mod, do I have to license my mod with the same license as the dependency? |
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zorman2000 |
The mod I depend on has a MIT license |
| 21:07 |
VanessaE |
no. |
| 21:07 |
VanessaE |
with mods, licensing generally only matters if you fork someone else's mod |
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VanessaE |
but depending on another mod doesn't usually invoke licensing terms |
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zorman2000 |
Ok, got it. Thank you |
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Sokomine |
octacian: that was only possible in mc :-( it had a freeze command. it was very useful |
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DI3HARD139-HPL1 |
@VanessaE LMK how it goes with the new server. I might just snag one myself |
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* Jordach |
realised that my domain expires in Jan |
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Jordach |
uhoh |
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Fixer_ |
https://i.imgur.com/yyGUTH2.jpg |
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jordansickler |
hello? |
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kaeza |
hello? |
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jordansickler |
hello? |
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VanessaE |
hello. |
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jordansickler |
im trying to get to the red cat creative irc |
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VanessaE |
what irc network is it connected to? |
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jordansickler |
not sure ahah, just thought i would start here to find it |
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hello |
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AcidNinjaFWHR |
in depends.txt of a mod |
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AcidNinjaFWHR |
we can add ? to make an optional dependency |
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AcidNinjaFWHR |
is this possible to make a mod depend to either one or another mod, ie. boost_cart or carts (the MT game default one) ? |
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kaeza |
AcidNinjaFWHR, you add both to depends.txt with '?', and handle which one you use in the code |
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AcidNinjaFWHR |
well, both use the same prefix but how can I ensure at least one is loaded then ? |
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kaeza |
`if minetest.get_modpath("carts") then ...` |
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AcidNinjaFWHR |
hummm ok i'll try that |
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AcidNinjaFWHR |
thanks kaeza |
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kaeza |
sure :) |
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AcidNinjaFWHR |
sorry i'm quite new with the minetest API so I ask a lot :) |
| 23:44 |
AcidNinjaFWHR |
hummm just to be sure |
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AcidNinjaFWHR |
get_modpath will find both mods in /mods and mods in /games/<gameid>/mods/ ? |
| 23:45 |
AcidNinjaFWHR |
every loaded mods I guess? |
| 23:46 |
AcidNinjaFWHR |
or even unloaded ones ? such things aren't written in the wiki |
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kaeza |
it will find the loaded one. if you have one in game, you shouldn't load the external one |
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kaeza |
i.e. move `carts` out of `mods/` |
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AcidNinjaFWHR |
Thanks for your confirmation kaeza |
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kaeza |
sure |
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kaeza |
!next |
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MinetestBot |
Another satisfied customer. Next! |
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Jordach |
we need a hotelier bell ding when !next is used |
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Jordach |
like an elevator |
