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12:01 sfan5 .
12:05 Anderssen OK, I'm using Debian Linux, and what I did is, I unpacked the cme-2_3_1-BlockMen mod in .minetest/mods ;  it unpacked into the folder "cme" . I added the line "load_mod_cme-master = true" into world.mt ; but it doesn't seem to have an effect. When I log in and enter "/mods" the "cme" mod doesn't show up.
12:05 Anderssen I also tried "load_mod_cme = true"
12:05 VanessaE you have to make sure the mod is actually correctly named
12:06 VanessaE one thing for sure is "cme-master" is not it.
12:07 Anderssen yeah, but it doesn't seem to be cme either
12:08 Anderssen "cme-master" though is the name under which it shows up in the gui, if I do a single player map
12:09 VanessaE mods aren't allowed to have a - in the name
12:10 VanessaE and the "-master" part is just something github adds to the folder name
12:10 VanessaE you better go find the forum thread for that mod, I'm sure it'll say there what the correct name is
12:10 VanessaE (I know some mods have a config file in there that renders the above roles moot, but most aren't like that I guess)
12:11 VanessaE rules*
12:11 Anderssen wait, I think I have to activate the single elements of the mod, not the mod as a whole, i. e. "zombie" "ghost" etc
12:12 VanessaE oh, it's a modpack?
12:12 Anderssen yeah
12:12 VanessaE then yeah
12:12 VanessaE activate them singly.
12:14 Anderssen hm, has no effect either ...
12:15 VanessaE did you make sure to enable whatever else that modpack depends on?
12:15 Anderssen oh, it depends on "creatues"
12:16 Anderssen creatures
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12:16 VanessaE there ya go :)
12:17 Anderssen oh darn, still doesnt work
12:17 Anderssen I'll copy the mod into the world directory
12:17 VanessaE <minetestdir>/worlds/<your world>/worldmods/
12:18 VanessaE so e.g. /home/anderssen/.minetest/wor​lds/mytestingworld/worldmods/
12:18 VanessaE or whatever the equivalent is on your machine.
12:19 Anderssen hm
12:19 Anderssen and they should all activate automatically?
12:20 VanessaE yep
12:20 VanessaE as long as all dependencies are met, of course.
12:21 Anderssen yeah, that one only uses the default mods
12:21 Anderssen hm, still doesn't show up
12:22 Anderssen for the record, I'm using that: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=8638
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12:30 VanessaE you sure that mod isn't simply too old? (noting the first-post date)
12:31 Anderssen yeah, but it works on a singleplayer map
12:31 Anderssen it says it requires 4.13; I'm using 4.14; should work
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12:33 rafalcpp_ what changed in last ~year?
12:33 rafalcpp_ do we yet have cool mobs?
12:35 sfan5 no
12:36 Anderssen It might help if I could activate the mod via the GUI, but that one doesn't work anymore ever since I updated the Kernel from 3.16 to 4.8 :/
12:37 VanessaE no gfx driver
12:37 VanessaE ?
12:37 Anderssen I think it's somethign with Irrlicht
12:37 VanessaE shouldn't matter.
12:37 Anderssen it says, the build was compiled with Irrlicht 1.83, but I currently have 1.84 installed
12:37 Hirato if it is kernel related, tell linus so he can go yell at people
12:37 VanessaE irrlight should work even with the Mesa3d/VESA drivers
12:37 VanessaE oh that's not kernel related.
12:37 VanessaE you just need to recompile minetest.
12:37 sfan5 Anderssen: you can try "video_driver = software" in minetest.conf
12:38 sfan5 oh
12:39 Hirato where do I see what it was built with?
12:40 Anderssen one second
12:43 Hirato also wtf
12:43 Hirato is RealBadAngel really dead?
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12:44 sfan5 yes
12:44 Hirato F
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12:44 VanessaE I'm afraid so :(
12:45 Anderssen ok, what I did now was, I set the video driver to software, I still get the warning with the Irrlight Engine, the next thing is: "Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory"
12:45 VanessaE Anderssen: fix the irrlight problem first - recompile.
12:45 Anderssen and "Cannot connect to server request channel" and "jack server is not running or cannot be started"
12:45 Calinou Hirato: yes, in March
12:45 Calinou (2016)
12:46 Anderssen VanessaE, is it simple to recompile? Usually I prefer just to install it with apt-get or zypper or the like
12:46 VanessaE compiling minetest is fairly easy yes
12:47 sfan5 Anderssen: you can ignore that
12:47 sfan5 it should still start correctly
12:47 Hirato says here I've had irrlicht 1.8.4 installed since10th of July
12:47 Anderssen sfan5, the irrlight thing?
12:47 sfan5 the "Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory" thing
12:48 sfan5 nvm looks like the irr software driver is broken
12:48 sfan5 try "video_driver = burningsvideo"
12:48 Anderssen oh, with that option, it starts
12:49 sfan5 don't even try to start any game though
12:49 sfan5 this is just so you can use the gui for configuring
12:49 Anderssen ok, what would happen then
12:49 sfan5 it would be really slow
12:49 Anderssen hehehe
12:52 Anderssen hm, mabye I'm running with the wrong parameters
12:53 Anderssen ok, what happened now is: I started the server with burningsvideo nonetheless. there, the mods are activated
12:53 Anderssen however, If I dont start the gui but user minetest --server instead, the mods are not on
12:54 Anderssen "use minetest"
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12:59 Anderssen ok, what the heck, when I start minetest --server --world [name] it doesn't work, but it works when i supply the whole complete path (/home/.../worlds/[name]
12:59 Anderssen so, that's a good thing
12:59 Anderssen I still don't know how to go about that Irrlight thing though
13:01 twoelk doesn't that work? -> https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=42&amp;t=3837
13:07 Calinou uploading a new AppImage (built on Ubuntu 14.04 this time) on https://archive.hugo.pro/minetest/ ...
13:07 Calinou it has been tested successfully on Fedora 24 and Debian 8
13:08 Anderssen twoelk, I'll try thanks
13:13 Calinou it's up, please test :)
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13:16 Anderssen twoelk, there seems to be a problem with mariadb-server, one of the dependencies; apt saysmariadb-server-10.0 (>= 10.0.28-2) but it is not going to be installed
13:17 VanessaE since when did Minetest need mariadb?
13:17 Anderssen maybe it has something to do with libsqlite
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13:47 twoelk why mariadb? are you trying to run minetest using that instead of sqlite?
13:48 Anderssen it appeared when i pasted the command from the forum you linked
13:48 Anderssen seems to be a dependency
13:49 twoelk Calinou? are you online?
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13:51 twoelk I'm not aware of mariadb being used anywhere by minetest
13:52 Anderssen kk
13:53 Anderssen anyhow, I'm sure it will resolve itself; the next builds are certainly going to be made with the newest irrlicht anyway
13:56 twoelk could that be a request by your setup?
13:56 twoelk the only thing I can see  so far is that libjpeg62-turbo-dev might need to replace libjpeg8-dev
13:57 Anderssen I'm not sure from where it comes; at least not in context with minetest
13:57 Anderssen it's running on a virtual server though
13:58 Anderssen and that one definitely uses (inter alia) mariadb
13:58 Anderssen or something ... :P
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13:59 twoelk you might want to study the thread as several cornercase variants have been posted there
13:59 Anderssen if anyone wants to do me a favour and briefly connect to my server, to check if you can log in? I'd pm you the IP (don't want to publish it yet)
14:00 twoelk hm
14:01 twoelk I might have a few minutes :-P
14:02 Anderssen kk :P
14:04 Anderssen doesn't have to be even an entire minute of course, it's just to test if basic connection and interaction works
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14:26 minitest hellow
14:27 minitest anyone knows how all the animals are dying? XD
14:27 minitest i can see animals but they die unespectedly
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14:31 minitest r u guys here all afk? xD
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14:52 twoelk what animals? zombies die in the sun for example
14:55 Axord I have sheep and chickens seemingly die without cause sometimes.
14:59 twoelk most mobs are deleted after a certain time
15:00 Axord Leaving behind meat? Huh.
15:01 twoelk some can be tamed or named in some versions. They wont dissapear then
15:01 Axord Makes sense.
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15:12 minitest oops sorry i got dc
15:12 minitest zombies and those die at the day its ok
15:13 minitest but sheeps and ducks should stay alive if they are not being attacked isnt it?
15:13 minitest may be i should try to build a little farm with some animals but if they will die i wont xD
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15:20 twoelk you will have to tame the animals (feed them the right stuff) but different mods handle this differently
15:21 twoelk we did have problems with sheep overpopulations in the past several times
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15:42 minitest hahaha
15:42 Calinou twoelk: back
15:42 minitest so fun that i know what u mean
15:43 minitest ok ok but ive seen ducks eating grass from the floor
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15:43 minitest and i feel they die so quick, i use to see them then they die just wheni approach them
15:43 minitest may be due to a heartache
15:43 twoelk no to get attached to a player said player will have to feed them
15:44 minitest ah u mean for them to follow you?
15:44 twoelk what mobs mod are you using?
15:45 twoelk no for them to draw from your life energy muahah
15:45 minitest just one called farming
15:47 twoelk Calinou, seen Anderssens problems with the one-line-script? Can't imagine that to be a minetest problem though
15:47 Calinou twoelk: the one-line script is broken
15:47 twoelk oops
15:47 Calinou it can't be made to work on all maintained distros anymore
15:47 Calinou because Ubuntu decided to ship libpng16 in 16.10, but not in previous versions
15:47 Calinou so the command line can't be valid for Ubuntu 16.10 *and* older versions
15:47 Calinou there's also the debacle about libjpeg, same problem.
15:48 twoelk does it say that in the first post yet?
15:48 Calinou no, I will update it
15:48 minitest wow
15:48 Calinou will link to the AppImages as a simpler method too
15:48 minitest bbl guys ty for the tips
15:49 Calinou twoelk: there, updated
15:50 twoelk and I kept pointing people to it
15:50 twoelk I used it only a few months ago, had no problems :-(
15:54 Calinou twoelk: AppImages are less hacky than a one-line script, and they don't require root
15:55 Calinou you don't need to compile anything or even open a terminal to use them
15:55 twoelk yeah but I liked editing the script to adjust to my needs
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15:56 mangul hi! is PilzAdams alive?
15:56 mangul 3 commits in his github account last year!
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15:57 twoelk he does show up now and then but rarely
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15:57 twoelk probably busy studying at university
15:58 mangul ah ok
15:58 mangul good he is alive!
16:00 * twoelk , normally on windows, has now to learn about AppImage
16:03 Calinou I build AppImages in virtual machines, I'm on Windows too :P
16:03 Calinou (used to use Linux more or less full-time though)
16:07 twoelk I have to work on windows as that is what everybody uses that I have to communicate with :-(  but I use Linux when playing with old hardware and DOS and ReacTos
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16:12 mangul heh
16:12 mangul i like DOS too
16:12 mangul i have a floppy with digger gb and pacman
16:13 twoelk Games that fit on a floppy  :'-) the memories
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16:25 agaran games that did not need more than 580kB of conventional memory available, no dpms, no himem, no EMS..
16:26 Calinou university requires me (indirectly) to use Windows, also a lot of things on Linux on the desktop leave me unhappy
16:26 Calinou (being unable to use a LTS OS with latest apps well is one of those problems, which AppImage partially solves)
16:28 mangul Calinou: Evil University!
16:29 sfan5 Calinou: use arch :^)
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16:32 Calinou sfan5: stability suffers too much, Fedora is an acceptable compromise but the defaults are not remotely sane
16:33 Calinou mangul: almost all universities do that, very few ones don't require (explicitly or implictly) Adobe or Office
16:33 Calinou all students use Office here (which they get for free)
16:33 mangul do they get free wirndows too?
16:33 mangul Windows*
16:33 Calinou mangul: nope
16:34 Calinou but remember what Santa says:
16:34 Calinou "Where there is not light, there can KMSpico!"
16:34 Calinou :P
16:34 sfan5 well first you need a windows iso
16:34 Calinou sfan5: you can get one legally for free
16:34 sfan5 indeed
16:34 Calinou usually from the Windows Insider program
16:34 Calinou (if you want Enterprise, if you want other editions, no need for that)
16:34 Calinou that's for Windows 10
16:35 Calinou previous Windows ISOs (especially 7) are much less public
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16:35 mangul anyway to get free windows?legal way
16:35 mangul heh they give free office for students
16:36 Calinou free and legal Windows only exists for 30 days, or if you have a MSDN/DreamSpark subscription (which we don't)
16:36 Calinou mangul: yes, Microsoft is nicer than Adobe for that, though not perfect
16:36 Calinou JetBrains and Allegorithmic are even nicer, you get their full software "for free" for 1 year (renewable)
16:36 Calinou and the procedure is easy, too
16:37 Calinou (you need a proof that you're student, and the verification is automatic in some cases)
16:37 Calinou meanwhile, Adobe requires you to pay €20/month for their software while you're a student, which is a lot
16:40 mangul always there is an illegal way hehe
16:42 octacian OldCoder: I didn't PM for that reason. Maybe somebody else would have a suggestion :P
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16:49 * twoelk wonders wether a dos simulator could be coded in lua
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16:49 mangul lol
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16:49 mangul even if it's possible it would be slow
16:50 twoelk have you ever run old games on modern hardware? most are pretty fast
16:50 twoelk some too fast to play
16:50 mangul heh
16:50 twoelk hardware is so much faster today
16:50 Fixer you can still download windows 7/8/etc isos
16:50 Fixer via special program
16:51 garywhite I've run Midtown Madness 2 (2000) on my Win7 lapto
16:51 garywhite p*
16:51 Fixer twoelk: yet is this windows gets slower
16:51 Fixer without is
16:51 twoelk legal win7 isos can't be that expansive
16:51 mangul twoelk: implementation with lua i meant
16:52 Fixer twoelk: you can download it freely, you need to buy key
16:52 Fixer iirc
16:52 twoelk the last one I had to buy was less than 20 euro
16:52 Fixer iso are fine to download
16:52 Fixer isos
16:52 twoelk ah, correct, I paid for the key
16:52 mangul yes
16:53 mangul how much is Windows 7 starter?
16:53 garywhite I think that may be OEM-only
16:53 mangul twoelk: no digger and pacman were fine!
16:53 twoelk no?
16:54 mangul so lemme change the question: what is the cheapest windows?
16:54 mangul twoelk: they were not fast
16:54 twoelk plastic window?
16:54 mangul twoelk: DOS does not use all the hardware
16:54 mangul twoelk: heh
16:55 twoelk try ReacTos, it has come quite a way
16:55 garywhite mangul: You can probably get a copy of XP for pretty cheap...But ReactOS is probably safer, it's based off of the Windows NT kernel if I remember, so it should be compatible with Windows XP/Vista/7/8/10 software
16:55 Fixer Calinou: "Where there is not light, there can KMSpico!" i see what you did there, never heard of this one
16:56 Fixer Calinou: i think long time ago it was possible to buy OEM XP with a mouse for cheeeeeap
16:56 mangul garywhite: afaik reactos is not stable for daily usage
16:57 twoelk oops was that the old AtariTos I had lurking in my memories?
16:57 twoelk mangul: depends
16:57 red-001 reactos isn't getting released in the next few decades
16:58 garywhite Then Windows XP is probably cheapest, although Microsoft dropped support in April of 2014
16:58 mangul how much is xp?
16:58 Fixer i think you can buy muuch cheaper keys on ebay
16:58 Fixer read somewhere
16:58 twoelk as it is moving slower than windows, it might never catch up - it works quit well for a lot of stuff though
16:59 garywhite Personally, idk, but as Fixer said, you'd be best checking eBay
16:59 twoelk bah win7 keys should be better and cheap enough
17:00 mangul bye
17:00 garywhite bye
17:00 red-001 reactos is still trying to recreate windows 2003
17:00 red-001 bye
17:01 garywhite Yeah, with a Windows 9x start menu
17:01 red-001 I doubt they could catch up any time soon even if their team was as large as ms
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17:02 twoelk well, I wouldn't mind if they stayed behind a little on the more safer ground and watch what windows blunders in next
17:02 Fixer you can download classic shell anyway for any win
17:02 red-001 well any new start menu isn't really high on the todo list for making an OS
17:02 Fixer or use linux if possible
17:03 twoelk I guess installing a complete OS on a  local device is getting outdated by cloud based services anyways - shudder
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17:05 * garywhite nudges VanessaE cause there seems to be an issue with her IRC
17:05 twoelk owning the right to use software for an unlimited time is probably also going to vanish more sooner than later
17:06 VanessaE I'm migrating services to a new machine,.
17:06 twoelk again?
17:06 garywhite Well everyone got dropped, even on my channel...
17:07 Jordach VanessaE, FeelsBadMAN
17:07 VanessaE garywhite: that's because I shut it all down :)
17:07 garywhite Even the MT servers?
17:07 VanessaE those, too
17:07 VanessaE IRC, services, and shadowbot are up and running on the new box.
17:07 VanessaE the minetest instances are coming soon.
17:09 garywhite ok, cause it appears my server and one of DI3's servers are the only ones on the entire network
17:09 VanessaE twoelk: yeah - downgraded to a cheaper machine (which happens to also have SSDs).
17:10 twoelk I thought you changed to SSD's long time ago
17:10 VanessaE nope.
17:10 * twoelk remembers some remarks about spinning rust
17:11 VanessaE I did but it didn't work out, bad hardware or something
17:11 garywhite So VanessaE, once your IRC server comes back up, will everything be able to reconnect without a reconfig?
17:11 Jordach eys
17:11 Jordach yes
17:11 Jordach ...that's hte point of IRC, isn't it :^)
17:12 twoelk Jordach: were those pics you posted BFD?
17:12 Jordach not BFD ;)
17:12 Jordach notice the distinc lack of blocks
17:13 VanessaE garywhite: it should - it's already back up, you probably just need to clear your DNS cache or wait for it to propagate
17:14 garywhite Propagate?
17:14 VanessaE yeah
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17:14 twoelk oh, something new then. lack of blocks? cant see with all them repeating patterns blocking the view ;-P
17:14 VanessaE daconcepts.com still points to the old 198.* address for some people
17:15 VanessaE the domain already points to the new IP but it takes a while for that to filter down to everyone
17:15 garywhite Would restarting a Minetest server correct it and allow it to connect?
17:15 twoelk I like the color palette though
17:15 VanessaE garywhite: no, you have to clear your machine's DNS cache or just wait
17:16 VanessaE right now I'm waiting for the minetest servers' data to copy over from the old server to the new one
17:16 VanessaE and it's being slow
17:17 twoelk live game server and mass copying data on the same server? ought to be slow
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17:17 agaran do you have anything again spinning rust? ;)
17:17 VanessaE twoelk: which is why the game servers are offline until I'm done copying :P
17:19 twoelk I wonder if servers in alaska can be offered cheaper 'cause they might need less power for cooling :-D
17:19 VanessaE heh
17:20 twoelk where's your new datacenter located at Vanessa?
17:20 VanessaE twoelk: France.
17:20 twoelk cool but not cold
17:21 VanessaE I'm still with OVH, just went with a cheaper machine that happens to be in their RBX datacenter
17:21 twoelk or rather cold at the moment, as winter is deciding to stay a while
17:21 agaran twoelk: there was some talks and calculations about datacenters moved towards poles for less problems with cooling..
17:21 Calinou agaran: Facebook seems to have done that, yes
17:22 agaran Calinou, I never used fb.. :)
17:22 Calinou <mangul> how much is Windows 7 starter?
17:22 Calinou Windows 7 Starter is not sold individually, just saying
17:22 Calinou (they left but still :P)
17:22 twoelk a new industry for greenland and spitzbergen
17:23 agaran yup as long as you can get there solid bunch of fibers and decent power supply
17:23 twoelk well conductivity might be faster if they use cold wires LOL
17:23 twoelk supercoldwires
17:24 agaran nope..
17:24 twoelk eh? did I get the wording wrong?
17:24 agaran light in fibers moves with speed very close to c, because optical density of glass is not that far from optical density of vacuum
17:24 twoelk light does not travel through wires
17:25 agaran and as far as I remember supercooled coax datasheet it still had 0.75c velocity..
17:25 twoelk I said wires as in thin metal
17:25 agaran because of impedance/dielectric parameters..
17:25 twoelk oh
17:25 agaran but such wires are used only for power, low frequency.. and you don't care how fast that propagates
17:25 agaran it is all wave mechanics..
17:26 twoelk so no cool suprafastcomputer :-/
17:26 agaran actual electrons in wire are slow.. what is as fast as nearly c, speed of light, is movement of density change of electrons..
17:26 agaran and nowadays superconductors still require much lower temperature than average in greenland..
17:26 * twoelk waves
17:27 agaran no.. not because of change of speed of wave propagation
17:27 agaran you can speedup moving to shorter waves tho
17:27 twoelk but LaOla is faster than I can run :-D
17:27 agaran because then you need shorter time to fit enough full wave cycles to pass information obeying nyquist theorem..
17:28 * twoelk decides not to look that up
17:29 * twoelk watches the trees wave in the wind and wonders what data is passed around out there
17:29 * agaran decides to rather play some than bore people with physics..
17:30 twoelk physics aren't boring if the exaples are fun
17:30 twoelk ++m
17:30 * twoelk cant type
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17:49 Fixer it is how amazing microsoft has increased its antipiracy efforts since XP and yet we have one utility that works for any windows aaaand office... at the same time
17:49 Fixer and you can update it
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19:13 Anderssen Hi, has anyone used the rollback function? When I try it, it says "Rollback functions are disabled"
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19:27 VanessaE est31: *poke*
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19:30 sfan5 Anderssen: you need to enable it
19:32 Anderssen how do you enable it?
19:32 DI3HARD139 enable_rollback = true in the minetest.conf
19:33 DI3HARD139 lemme double check that though. I feel like Im missing something in that
19:35 DI3HARD139 @Anderssen enable_rollback_recording = true
19:36 Anderssen ok
19:37 Anderssen hm, still getting the message "Rollback functions are disabled"
19:38 DI3HARD139 reboot the server
19:38 Anderssen yes, I had restarted it
19:39 sfan5 you might have to wait until it actually records something
19:39 Anderssen kk
19:40 Anderssen hm, doesn't work
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19:42 AcidNinjaFWHR hey VanessaE amun irc seems desynchronized from the network
19:42 VanessaE AcidNinjaFWHR: osiris is on a new IP.
19:43 AcidNinjaFWHR is Osiris the only one with ipv6 ?
19:43 VanessaE Shadowninja needs to fix amun to reach for the new IP (188.165.239.81)
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19:43 VanessaE (2001:41d0:2:ba51::1)
19:43 VanessaE idk
19:43 Anderssen anyway, rollback isnt that important
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19:44 Anderssen however, does anyone know how to make the world-edit logo disappear? It shows up also for users who don't have the world edit priv
19:45 iska //unmark hides the are grid or do you mean something else?
19:45 iska *area
19:46 AcidNinjaFWHR he means the logo is always shown in the inventory, whatever you have the priv or not.
19:46 Anderssen i mean in the inventory menu
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19:50 Sokomine rollback is important. it's the best thing against griefers. locate them, stun them, run rollback before their eyes and then ban them
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20:00 octacian Sokomine: stun them? How do you do that?
20:12 garywhite Hi octacian
20:15 Amaz octacian: A mod like this can freeze players, which may be what Sokomine means. https://github.com/PenguinDad/freeze
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20:21 octacian ohk
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20:34 Anderssen hey, I had to enable rollback in /etc/minetest/minetest.conf (I'm using Ubuntu Server 16). It has no effect in ~/.minetest/minetest.conf
20:34 Amaz octacian: Are you the person developing https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=9&amp;t=15955?
20:35 red-001 great an other issue replaced to how minetest handles this sort of stuff
20:35 garywhite VanessaE: For some reason, there is no ChanServ available on almost the entire InchraNet servers...My channel, your server channel, heck even switchboard PvP channel is unregistered
20:35 red-001 Anderssen, you might want to open an issue on github
20:36 VanessaE odd, chanserv is up and running, maybe you're connected to amun?
20:36 VanessaE I need Shadowninja to wake up and fix the connection, amun doesn't expect osiris' new IP.
20:36 garywhite Yes, connected via amun
20:37 VanessaE that would be why.
20:37 garywhite I have it set up to connect through daconcepts.com, but then it reroutes to amun I guess
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20:37 VanessaE maybe it hits the round-robin IP then
20:38 VanessaE use 188.165.239.81 until the network is reconnected.
20:38 garywhite Use that to connect to IRC?
20:38 VanessaE yeah
20:38 VanessaE it *should* work
20:38 garywhite ok...I'll try
20:38 VanessaE daconcepts.com in your area might still be pointing to the old IP
20:38 garywhite Well then Comcast SF Bay is still pointing to that
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20:41 garywhite I'm in
20:41 VanessaE what do you get when you `dig daconcepts.com` ?
20:42 garywhite ?
20:43 VanessaE nslookup, dig, whatever tool you use to do a DNS check
20:43 garywhite I don't use a DNS check tool
20:44 NPXcoot Hey, I tried to ask for a wiki account on the forum (in order to modify the page of nssm, our mod), but probably no one with the permission has checked the thread in the last weeks. Maybe someone here can?
20:44 VanessaE garywhite: try using one from your comment line then
20:44 garywhite Command line?
20:44 VanessaE er command-line yeah
20:45 garywhite ok, lemme launch Command Promt
20:45 garywhite prompt*
20:45 VanessaE looks like you can just do `nslookup daconcepts.com` on windows.
20:46 VanessaE I think.
20:46 garywhite yeah
20:46 sfan5 VanessaE: your dns is quite interesting
20:46 VanessaE why?
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20:46 red-001 is it a bad sign it says dns request timed out?
20:46 sfan5 it returns two results
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20:46 sfan5 AND a servfail
20:47 KikaRz as my old school mates said: nslookup is most used by hackers
20:47 VanessaE sfan5: what do you get?
20:47 garywhite https://usercontent.irccloud-​cdn.com/file/y4UfJxKN/cmd.png
20:47 sfan5 daconcepts.com has address 198.27.68.162
20:47 sfan5 daconcepts.com has IPv6 address 2607:5300:60:1da2::1
20:47 sfan5 Host daconcepts.com not found: 2(SERVFAIL)
20:47 garywhite That's what I get
20:47 VanessaE sfan5: that's old data then
20:48 sfan5 did you really move the server to france?
20:48 VanessaE plus the old server is still online, I haven't shut it down for good yet.
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20:48 VanessaE yep
20:48 sfan5 why not keep it in canada?
20:48 VanessaE I'd have kept it in Canada but the server config I wanted wasn't available there.
20:48 sfan5 aw
20:48 VanessaE s'ok, I get great bandwidth to France from here so I'm not worried
20:49 sfan5 you get nicer ping on the server list now though :D
20:49 VanessaE heh
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20:50 VanessaE (well the old server is up-and-down at the moment)
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20:59 garywhite VanessaE: What should someone do if their server is still listed on amun? Nobody can get on there and stay connected really (you said it was up & down
21:00 garywhite Should they have it connect to that IP?
21:00 VanessaE have those servers connect to 188.165.239.81
21:00 garywhite Kk
21:00 VanessaE once the domain fully trickles down and Shadowninja fixes the connection to amun, it should be back to normal.
21:00 * RichardTheTurd prefers to use IPs incase the domain goes down at any time
21:01 DI3HARD139-L damn keyboard
21:01 garywhite So basically connect using the 188 temporarily
21:01 VanessaE garywhite: yeah
21:01 garywhite k
21:01 DI3HARD139-HPL1 thats better
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21:04 zorman2000 Hi all. I have a question about licensing. If I make a mod which depends on other mod, do I have to license my mod with the same license as the dependency?
21:05 zorman2000 The mod I depend on has a MIT license
21:07 VanessaE no.
21:07 VanessaE with mods, licensing generally only matters if you fork someone else's mod
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21:08 VanessaE but depending on another mod doesn't usually invoke licensing terms
21:08 zorman2000 Ok, got it. Thank you
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21:17 Sokomine octacian: that was only possible in mc :-( it had a freeze command. it was very useful
21:26 DI3HARD139-HPL1 @VanessaE LMK how it goes with the new server. I might just snag one myself
21:32 * Jordach realised that my domain expires in Jan
21:32 Jordach uhoh
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23:28 jordansickler hello?
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23:31 kaeza hello?
23:31 jordansickler hello?
23:31 VanessaE hello.
23:32 jordansickler im trying to get to the red cat creative irc
23:32 VanessaE what irc network is it connected to?
23:34 jordansickler not sure ahah, just thought i would start here to find it
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23:40 AcidNinjaFWHR hello
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23:40 AcidNinjaFWHR in depends.txt of a mod
23:41 AcidNinjaFWHR we can add ? to make an optional dependency
23:41 AcidNinjaFWHR is this possible to make a mod depend to either one or another mod, ie. boost_cart or carts (the MT game default one) ?
23:42 kaeza AcidNinjaFWHR, you add both to depends.txt with '?', and handle which one you use in the code
23:43 AcidNinjaFWHR well, both use the same prefix but how can I ensure at least one is loaded then ?
23:43 kaeza `if minetest.get_modpath("carts") then ...`
23:43 AcidNinjaFWHR hummm ok i'll try that
23:44 AcidNinjaFWHR thanks kaeza
23:44 kaeza sure :)
23:44 AcidNinjaFWHR sorry i'm quite new with the minetest API so I ask a lot :)
23:44 AcidNinjaFWHR hummm just to be sure
23:45 AcidNinjaFWHR get_modpath will find both mods in /mods and mods in /games/<gameid>/mods/ ?
23:45 AcidNinjaFWHR every loaded mods I guess?
23:46 AcidNinjaFWHR or even unloaded ones ? such things aren't written in the wiki
23:46 kaeza it will find the loaded one. if you have one in game, you shouldn't load the external one
23:46 kaeza i.e. move `carts` out of `mods/`
23:46 AcidNinjaFWHR Thanks for your confirmation kaeza
23:47 kaeza sure
23:48 kaeza !next
23:48 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next!
23:53 Jordach we need a hotelier bell ding when !next is used
23:53 Jordach like an elevator

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