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01:07 octacian garywhite: great! I'm finally back too btw...
01:07 garywhite You can go ahead and use the form to get access, I'm gonna change the IRC name question to required for the channel
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01:35 octacian_ garywhite: re your PM (I'm too lazy to respond via forum): :rotfl:
01:36 garywhite My PM where?
01:36 octacian_ on forum.
01:36 garywhite ok
01:39 garywhite Um octacian_ there's no PM there
01:39 octacian_ garywhite: the message you sent me with the subject "About the MTAA:
01:40 octacian_ * ..AA"
01:40 garywhite Right, there's no PM there
01:40 garywhite Wait, just came throughh
01:40 octacian lol
01:40 garywhite Well, the Re: to the second message, not the first
01:42 octacian IK, I was too lazy to reply to first via forum, since my response would simply have been ":rotfl:"
01:42 garywhite oh ok
01:44 garywhite If you don't mind me asking, what is your endev.xyz site for?
01:44 octacian my company, enDEV
01:44 garywhite Ehm, what does enDEV do?
01:46 octacian Nothing ATM, right now I'm finishing a project for the Canadian Action Party, then I (enDEV) will actually be able to start doing something. The things I will be doing include software dev, and website developmebnt.
01:48 garywhite Ah ok
01:56 octacian I have way too much work to do.. so I'm gonna go play on ethereal.
01:56 Hijiri any gamedev?
01:56 octacian what do you mean?
01:58 sofar Hijiri: no
01:58 octacian ok, thought that's what he meant
02:19 garywhite Hey octacian have you tried Slitaz Linux? With several packages you can have a useful Linux distro with less than 8GB HDD and 1GB RAM, it also has a bunch of server utils built-in
02:20 octacian interesting. I run ubuntu on laptop and Ubuntu Server on server.
02:20 octacian However, just discovered that server HDD is entirely full for some reason. wasn't yesterday
02:21 garywhite slitaz.org I use it on a VirtualBox VM with 2GB RAM on my 4GB RAM laptop, and it runs very fast
02:21 garywhite Hmm, did you get hacked?
02:21 octacian I'm beginning to wonder that. I mean, though I don't usually monitor it, even /home is only 4.1G
02:22 octacian ..and "/" is reported as being 15G
02:22 octacian yet df -h reports that /home/server/.Private (mounted at /home/server) is 100% used.. wait, that's kinda weird...
02:23 octacian IRDK
02:26 garywhite May need a reinstall
02:26 garywhite BTW slitaz is semi-compatible with Debian, it'll run some Debian pkgs
02:27 octacian Yeah, I'm thinking about reinstall. We'll see how it goes...
02:28 octacian maybe I should anyways, since the install on it was the second time I'd ever installed Ubuntu, first time installing Ubuntu Server.
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02:36 whitephoenix I've been trying to think of some things I could do to help minetest in python
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02:42 garywhite octacian if you tell me what software you use on Ubuntu I'll see if I can throw something together in Slitaz for you to look at
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02:43 octacian OK, gimme a bit, I'm eating ATM. almost done though
02:44 garywhite ok
02:52 garywhite Also, I'd add for your IRC the Hexchat or nettalk clients (I've used both, they're both very good
02:52 octacian ok. i haven't even finished the irc page yet lol
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03:10 octacian garywhite: main software is minetest, inspircd, apache2, mysql, postfix, dovecot, roundcube, and possibly a few others.
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03:22 garywhite octacian: OK, minetest is kinda iffy (not in default repos), apache & mysql for sure, other stuff idk...
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04:33 garywhite octacian: I'll see about getting it done tonight, if not tomorrow
04:34 OldCoder What does octacian need?
04:35 OldCoder whitephoenix, scripts to start and stop worlds; possibly to edit binaries
04:35 OldCoder I have written some of that
04:35 OldCoder Slitaz channel is here in Freenode
04:35 OldCoder Say Hello to Six Years of Dreams if you see him there
04:35 OldCoder Tell him the Old Coder sent you :-)
04:35 OldCoder garywhite, octacian ^
04:38 garywhite Actually I'm there rn
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04:59 cheapie Hmm, I could have sworn my house was bigger than this: https://cheapiesystems.com/media/im​ages/screenshot_20161128_225723.png
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06:18 cheapie Well, I tried MT on an ancient Pentium 3 box to see what would happen.... "frames per second" probably isn't the way to describe the performance, but rather "seconds per frame".
06:20 cheapie SuperTux, meanwhile, runs just fine.
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08:30 lordfingle Greetings!
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08:39 hmmmm SuperTuxKart is mostly static
08:40 hmmmm you're a static 3d mesh loaded from a file with limited geometry that moves around another world that itself is a static mesh with limited geometry
08:40 hmmmm it does not need to calculate dynamic water flow or lighting whenever part of the terrain is modified because - surprise - the terrain can't be modified
08:41 hmmmm it's a fundamentally unfair comparison
08:41 hmmmm that's not to say that MT isn't slower than it otherwise could be
08:41 hmmmm but, man, don't compare it to supertuxkart or some run of the mill FPS
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09:19 JamesTait Good morning all!  Happy Tuesday, and happy Electronic Greetings Day! 😁
09:24 est31 JamesTait: electronic greetings to you!
09:35 JamesTait est31, I thought it had a particular ring to it. 😉
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16:25 jluc Hello
16:26 jluc my son Ulysse is running minetest 0.4.7 on MSWindows 8 or 9 (or 10)
16:26 jluc he asks for animals and monsters mods
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16:27 jluc so i installed animals_modpack, animalmaterials mobf_core and and adv_spawning
16:27 jluc that seem to work together
16:27 VanessaE 0.4.7 is badly outdated.
16:27 jluc but when these are activated and i launch minetest an error occurs : cant find c://pathto/modname/init.lua
16:28 VanessaE get 0.4.14 and try again
16:28 jluc ok VanessaE
16:28 jluc are those mods a good choice together for a first "with animals" experience ?
16:29 VanessaE should be fine
16:29 jluc doest it include monsters also or what stable mod do you advise for monsters ?
16:30 VanessaE mobs_redo should get what you want
16:30 VanessaE if I have the name right
16:30 jluc thanks a lot
16:30 octacian 0.4.7... no offence, but I didn't know anybody still used that lol
16:31 octacian jluc: you might find CME by BlockMen pretty interesting as well. It's the best monster/creatures mod I've ever seen, animation, AI, and all
16:31 jluc ah ok
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16:32 jluc should i uninstall 0.4.7 before installing 0.4.14 or will 0.4.14 do it automagically ?
16:32 VanessaE uninstall it.
16:32 octacian It doesn't have very many animals, but it's pretty nice.
16:32 jluc i do not want to loose the created worlds
16:33 VanessaE you can back them up
16:33 VanessaE just copy them somewhere
16:33 VanessaE they'll be in <minetest folder>/worlds
16:34 octacian so mt doesn't just update? you have to manually uninstall and reinstall on windows? huh, I don't do that on Ubuntu, but
16:34 jluc ok
16:35 VanessaE on windows, "installing it" amounts to unzipping it somewhere.
16:35 octacian wow....
16:35 VanessaE so you can end up with dozens of copies if you don't clean-up.
16:35 octacian this is one reason why I no longer use windows
16:35 VanessaE the same is true for linux if you build with "run in place" enabled.  I don't.
16:36 sfan5 octacian: generally you can't assume that *any* windows software will update itself
16:36 sfan5 many do
16:36 sfan5 but with stuff like open source programs often nobody wants to touch windows
16:36 jluc so i can delete minetest inner files, leaving world and mods, and unzip new version in same place ?
16:37 jluc is there any other files i should keep (for login and connections for example ?)
16:37 VanessaE jluc: make a backup copy of the worlds/mods to somewhere safe and delete the whole folder.
16:37 sfan5 no
16:37 jluc ok
16:37 sfan5 keep the old folder until everything works nicely with the new copy
16:38 VanessaE or do that.
16:38 jluc renaming it
16:45 jluc ok i installed new version and old worlds and mods
16:45 jluc UI has changed
16:45 octacian probably
16:45 jluc i can unistall mods but how do i activate one ?
16:46 sfan5 "configure world" button
16:46 jluc yes !
16:49 jluc not ready but i have to go (IRL etir à l'arc" now)
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16:58 Fixer in windows, unzipping today should be preffered way, installing will get you crapware
17:00 Fixer not sure about winstore
17:00 garywhite MT is on Windows Store now?
17:01 Fixer no
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17:21 Krock .. Knows not where's he going to. Isn't he a bit like you and me? Nowhereman please listen. You don't know you're missin'  :P
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17:57 * twoelk peeks in using webchat secretly from a computer not his own psssssssssssssss - stealth mode
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17:58 * Wayward1 peeks in doing exactly the same thing :3
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18:04 twoelk octacian, when moving to a new minetest folder/version on a run-in-place-version you may also copy the favorites file and the cache content over to the new installation. This is only of importance though if you connect to remote servers and not actually vital. Copying your minetest.config over might be more important or at least convinient
18:06 * twoelk has some 20+ installations of minetest versions living happily side by side on a portable device sharing the same screenshot folder
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18:08 twoelk oops actually the info was probably more for jluc    -  so it seems -
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18:17 * garywhite used to have 0.4.13-final, 0.4.14-final, and 0.4.14-dev (final means stable version released to public)
18:18 garywhite on the same laptop with a 320GB HDD
18:18 Krock why not just 0.4.14-stable??
18:18 Krock makes explanations redundant
18:19 garywhite yeah, you're right
18:19 garywhite I had all my old worlds in my 0.4.13-stable, I used 0.4.14-stable, and then I used 0.4.14-dev from time to time
18:20 Krock backups on a different locations are very good to prevent data loss ;)
18:20 Chinchou ^ lesson often learned the hard way
18:21 Krock I back up my whole data drive on a PATA drive I can't mount into my compuetr anymore.. works perfectly as external sorage
18:21 Krock *computer
18:21 garywhite ok, if MT will have 15 releases in the 0.4.x version, maybe after 0.4.15 the devs should consider changing it to 0.5.x
18:22 Krock 0.5.x means an incompatible protocol change to 0.4.x
18:22 Chinchou Speaking of versioning, is MT using semantic versioning?
18:22 Krock which does not happen (yet)
18:22 Chinchou Aha.
18:22 agaran MT had no 0.3141... release ;)
18:22 agaran nor euler release..
18:22 Krock Chinchou, kind of, but they're still not sure if they do
18:22 garywhite What?
18:23 * agaran hides
18:23 Krock agaran, like we need that <.<
18:23 agaran Krock, oh, well.. a tiny bit of fun for 1 april?
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18:24 Krock releasing Minetest 1.0 would be a funny thing (new default textures, but otherwise still the same)
18:24 garywhite So basically it would be impossible to change the version series from 0.4.x to 0.5.x?
18:24 Krock people will be like "omg finally", and to hour later "what's the difference?"
18:24 Krock garywhite, nobody said that. It's possible
18:25 Krock but we're not ready for it yet
18:25 Out`Of`Control 0.100.14
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18:25 Krock I already see Minetest 0.4.17 coming soon....
18:25 Chinchou ^ aneurysm
18:26 jordan4ibanez Wow I just got in here and someone's dead what did I do
18:26 garywhite Yeah, maybe 0.4.16 should come first...But 1.0, I think technology should catch up a bit more before a major version jump like that
18:26 Chinchou that was meant at Out`Of`Control's comment
18:26 jordan4ibanez So can I create a mesh for an entity in the game?
18:27 Out`Of`Control is there todo for 1.0?
18:27 Out`Of`Control a list
18:27 Krock https://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?f=7
18:27 Krock check out the developer's posts
18:27 Krock s/posts/topics/
18:29 Out`Of`Control thanks Krock
18:30 Krock !next
18:30 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next!
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18:47 jluc here back
18:48 jluc 've installed minetest 0.4.14 and mods animals_modpack , adv_spawning , animalmaterials and mobfcore251
18:49 jluc and it errors on launching a world playing
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18:50 twoelk nevr heard of mobfcore251
18:50 jluc "basics to create a mob"
18:51 Chinchou perhaps it is mobf_core
18:51 jluc yes i had to rename folders so all characters get accepted
18:51 sfan5 isn't mobf long gone?
18:52 Chinchou Renaming the directories often seems to cause problems, as mods expect specific names.
18:52 jluc but all zip come with unusable names !
18:53 sfan5 jluc: remove mobf and use these instead https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=9917
18:53 Chinchou I have yet to see such a thing.  What exactly do you mean by "unusable"?
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18:54 jluc i mean it errors something like "only [a-z0-9_-] are ok"
18:54 sfan5 Chinchou: when you download a zip from github it has a folder named "username-mod_name-master-232356wefwj42tgwef"
18:54 sfan5 however you need to name it "mod_name"
18:55 jluc so i took all . out of the name and replaced with _ and even so it errors same so i took all - and _ off and now it's ok
18:55 Chinchou I've never seen that.  I've seen "modname-master", but never anything beyond that.
18:55 Chinchou I haven't grabbed zips lately, though.
18:55 jluc now mods can be installed ok
18:55 sfan5 jluc: remove mobf and use these instead https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=9917
18:55 jluc ok sfan5
18:56 jluc BTW the error i got now is because adv_modpath is nil (and undeclared) cand cant be concatenated in advspawning/init.lua
18:58 jluc oh your link is mob redo with both animals and monsters.
18:59 jluc quote "you need to name it "mod_name"" : how do i know precise exact mod-name ?
19:00 Chinchou jluc, leave the "modname" part alone when you remove the "-master" from it.
19:00 Chinchou It should already be named properly.  Github likes to add "-master", and that's the only thing to remove(unless, as sfan5 said, it adds things like "username-", which should also be removed)
19:01 Chinchou Beyond that, don't mangle the name.
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19:16 kaeza another way to know the mod name is look in the code files for things like `register_node` and such
19:17 kaeza also greetings
19:18 kaeza https://web.archive.org/web/2012041​4002138/http://minetest.net/forum/
19:18 kaeza such nostalgia
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19:19 Krock that's just a year before I joined o.o
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19:31 sfan5 kaeza: the old forum software was definitely better
19:32 Krock ^ moderator's perspecive?
19:32 sfan5 generally
19:32 Krock I like both forums. At the end it's the speed that matters to me
19:33 kaeza punBB was way faster than phpBB
19:33 sfan5 ^
19:34 IKRadulov continuing discussion from minetest-dev . http://pastebin.com/aXhFMMKU
19:35 kaeza these network problems suck. pastebin.com is dead, minetest.net is dead, ...
19:36 kaeza well, IDC about pastebin too much, actually
19:38 Krock IKRadulov, the function in "register_globalstep" does not get any parameter apart from dtime
19:39 jordan4ibanez IKRadulov, for _,player in ipairs(minetest.get_connected_players()) do
19:39 Krock IKRadulov, use the function minetest.get_connected_players() to get all players that are connected to the time the globalstep is called
19:41 Krock maybe you'll find use in the function "default.player_set_animation" aswell. It will change the current used animation
19:42 Krock but make sure that the player is attached (default.player_attached) before calling it. Otherwise it will get changed back by the default mod itself
19:45 IKRadulov in line 28 in the function with (dtime) i have added player  as a parameter . now i see that i give the player to the parameter not the the function register_globalstep but i don't think that register_global_step can accept parameter player
19:46 Krock it accepts all parameters you define in the function - it will just fill in "nil" everytime :P
19:49 IKRadulov Thank you men . I would realy like to use my model (Has a neck :D). And I plan to do a parkour mod for minetest but I am new to modding and minetest so it's hard for me
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19:49 Krock no problem. just ask
19:50 Krock but answers may take a while here ^^
19:52 IKRadulov Thanks . I usualy use the dev wiki to see methods and objects but goes i have to use the api_lua too
19:53 Krock another great source are the mods from other people. very helpful to understand how the stuff works :)
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20:00 Anderssen Hi. When I start minetest with the option --server, it doesn't start the GUI, which is fine. However, is there a way to enter commands or chat in this mode?
20:01 IKRadulov Are you using winddows ?
20:03 IKRadulov no
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20:09 Anderssen kk
20:13 kaeza this is an old one: https://github.com/Menche/external_cmd
20:13 Menche which is terribly hacky
20:13 Menche I'd almost forgotten I had made that
20:13 kaeza o hai Menche
20:14 Menche .o/
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20:14 sfan5 Anderssen: we have an ncurses command console
20:14 Fixer https://web.archive.org/web/20120615081323/ht​tp://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=319
20:14 Fixer hooooly shiiit
20:14 Fixer i was a moderator back then?
20:14 * Menche used to be a moderator too
20:14 Fixer amnesia
20:15 Fixer on celerons development server?
20:15 Menche on the forum
20:15 swift110 hey all
20:15 Fixer totally forgot that i was a moderator
20:16 agaran Fixer, ;) internet will remember all your sins
20:17 sfan5 TIL fixer was here that long
20:17 Fixer i was
20:17 Fixer proud tsundere.fi and c55.me player (and moderator o_0)
20:17 Fixer since 0.2.2011
20:18 Menche yay
20:18 * Menche was around then too
20:18 Fixer it is amazing how you can forgot some things
20:18 kaeza sfan5, ncurses works on windows?
20:18 Anderssen kaeza, Menche thanks, I got to look into this
20:18 Anderssen i mean sfan5
20:18 sfan5 kaeza: idk
20:18 kaeza Anderssen, you are quite welcome... anyway
20:18 Menche was tsundere.fi kray's server?
20:18 Menche I forget
20:18 Fixer Kray's yes
20:19 Fixer i need his map, OldCoder has it but have not put online yet
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20:19 Fixer just to find my house and walk it like 5 years ago
20:20 kaeza !sfu Fixer
20:20 kaeza removed? :(
20:20 sfan5 kaeza: !stfu
20:20 kaeza no u
20:20 sfan5 wtf is sfu
20:20 Menche wait
20:21 kaeza "search forum user" or something
20:21 Menche kray's *first* or second map?
20:21 kaeza or was that MinetestTan?
20:21 sfan5 oh
20:21 sfan5 MinetestTan and minetestbot are the same codebase
20:21 sfan5 i removed it when we switched forum software
20:21 kaeza ah
20:21 Menche both were legendary, but the first moreso
20:22 Menche that sky city
20:22 Kray i gave whatever world files i had intact to celeron55 some months ago
20:22 Kray i know i've lost one due to a raid failure in 2012, but no idea if it had anything relevant in it
20:23 Fixer ohi
20:23 sfan5 kaeza: it was gone before Mon Jan 7 19:00:44 2013 which is the date i pushed mtbot modules to github
20:23 Fixer and celeron gave it to OldCoder who intents to put it online when he gets unbusy
20:25 sfan5 i would host it but i hate maintaining mt servers
20:25 sfan5 unless it's read-only
20:25 sfan5 that would be kind of boring but is the intention probably
20:26 Menche I could probably find a world off my old server if I dug around
20:26 Menche but it would be an extreme chore getting it functional again, because of the mess of deprecated mods
20:27 Fixer Server down due to a FUCKTON of griefing. [...]
20:27 Fixer i remember this
20:27 Fixer because of huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge lava grief
20:27 OldCoder Hi
20:27 OldCoder Yes
20:27 OldCoder Menche, I do that :-)
20:27 Fixer spawn below lava sea, nostalgia
20:27 OldCoder Got a world? At me let it be hurled
20:27 OldCoder Worlds R Us without no fuss
20:28 OldCoder Let your world <bee> all it can <bee>
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20:28 OldCoder Come and let us see
20:28 OldCoder Old worlds repaired, no need to be scared
20:28 OldCoder Old mobs shall walk again
20:28 Fixer OldCoder: i hope you put Tsundere.fi and C55.me maps online, or at least give download links to them (i want to walk on them offline)
20:28 OldCoder Let's boot it up and fix walrus:pup
20:28 OldCoder Old worlds shall rise again
20:28 OldCoder Fixer, you don't understand
20:28 Fixer nice
20:29 OldCoder It isn't about that; I don't even know where they *are*. We never found them.
20:29 Kray thinking about it afterwards it is kind of stupid the thing i ran even had the kind of special treatment in the fairly early days by being in irc channel topic and whatnot
20:29 OldCoder Fixer, C55 himself doesn't know where they are
20:29 Fixer OldCoder: waait, celeron give you some
20:29 Fixer ahh
20:29 OldCoder Fixer, C55 himself doesn't know where they are <<<
20:29 Kray it was running on an intel atom and i there was absolutely no moderation
20:29 Fixer oops
20:29 Menche lol
20:29 OldCoder We hope to dig through the files and find them
20:29 Menche I ran mine on an atom
20:29 OldCoder Fixer, PM
20:29 Kray -i
20:30 Kray i vaguely remember running something at the time when minetest had realistic fluid simulation
20:30 Kray where it actually calculates water pressure
20:30 celeron55 the old servers were lost due to griefing due to lack of moderation (and tools for even doing any moderation)
20:30 Fixer i've posted screenshot of that lava sea many times
20:31 Kray it became completely unplayable if you made some kind of a hole where lots of water could flow
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20:31 Kray because it was just processing the water flowing
20:32 agaran That would be neat sometimes.. or limiting how far water/lava can flow downwards..
20:37 Fixer i remember there was finite water merged for some time? but later removed?
20:37 Fixer it was disabled by default
20:37 Kray yeah i guess it was called finite water
20:38 sfan5 doesn't freeminer still have it?
20:38 * Menche forgets when he stopped playing minetest
20:38 Menche I think the then-new physics was the last straw
20:38 Fixer Minetest railcarts and other features / 2012-04-04 17:55:59
20:38 * Menche hated them
20:39 Fixer 4 years later...
20:39 Fixer and a half
20:39 Kray celeron55: now this is what i call old http://kray.dy.fi/b/minetest/mualimma.jpg
20:40 celeron55 that's the first server that had support for saving the map on disk
20:40 Menche do you still need a half dozen blocks of water to break a fall safely?
20:40 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/dZ4Gv.jpg (krays one)
20:40 Kray i wonder if there's any screenshots of the one that didn't supporting
20:40 Kray *support
20:41 Fixer my house is at 3 oclock near edge of the sea
20:41 sfan5 Menche: depends on the fall height obviously
20:41 Menche urgh
20:42 * kaeza also recalls the "finite lava" shitstorm
20:42 Menche oh yes
20:42 kaeza #lavagate
20:42 Fixer i will show two pics
20:42 Menche is lava still finite?
20:43 Fixer no
20:44 Menche cool
20:44 Fixer anyone remembers? https://i.imgur.com/pPKQZQb.jpg
20:44 celeron55 Kray: i think you will remember this http://c55.me/random/2010-10/old/verkkopelia.png
20:44 Menche or hot
20:44 Kray yeah that
20:44 Fixer or that? https://i.imgur.com/PbNeWdZ.png
20:44 kaeza Menche, yes, lava is finite (i.e. not renewable)
20:44 Menche ew
20:44 Menche ok
20:45 * Menche also strongly disliked the mese into crystals thing from around that time
20:45 Menche and the physics where the ground felt greasy when using fast_move
20:45 Menche and where you needed half a dozen water blocks to break a fall
20:46 kaeza I think you can now create a node that does no damage or even heals on contact
20:46 Menche >:(
20:46 agaran ethereal has such..
20:47 kaeza so add a pillow at the bottom of your 31KM tall tower -> no damage
20:47 agaran muchrom pods, you can fall from 1k nodes on it.. and stop without any harm
20:47 * Menche liked the original physics; they were oversimplified, sure, but what isn't in this game genre
20:48 Menche this isn't kerbal space program
20:48 kaeza I think ragdoll physics would be cool :P
20:48 * kaeza hides
20:49 Fixer http://c55.me/random/2011-10/env​irobear-2011-10-30_13-10-31.png
20:49 Menche O_O
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20:49 Kray https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGQJaAjrZLA
20:50 Fixer http://c55.me/random/2011-10/server_​shots/tscrot-2011-10-18_20-41-18.png AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
20:50 Fixer i remember this
20:50 Fixer my place is right on that hill to the right
20:50 Fixer i(or other dude) made road to this glass thing
20:50 Fixer later
20:51 Fixer remember those roads ;) http://c55.me/random/2011-10/server_​shots/tscrot-2011-10-18_20-47-16.png
20:51 Fixer LOL, me on screenshot
20:51 Fixer <Fixer> lag
20:51 Fixer ofc
20:51 Fixer what else could i say
20:52 * Menche has some old screenshots from kray's server
20:52 Menche think it was the last world it ran
20:53 Menche does cisoun's texture pack still exist? I remember he used some ad-laden crap host and overwrote links to old versions
20:53 twoelk maybe we should have a history of minetest-servers page on the wiki
20:53 Fixer detected! > http://c55.me/random/2011-10/server_​shots/tscrot-2011-10-18_20-39-29.png
20:54 * Menche vaguely recalls that ship/tower
20:54 Sokomine Menche: it usually works quite ok if bones are removed, bags installed and no item loss occours at player death. in such a case it is not too critical when the occasional fall kills you. back on redcrab, it was sometimes even faster to just suicide-jump down somewhere instead of typing /spawn :-)
20:54 Sokomine Menche: your server was also nice
20:55 Menche ah, bones
20:55 Menche the spawn clogger mod
20:55 Fixer finally
20:55 Fixer my house in a mountain: http://c55.me/random/2011-10/server_​shots/tscrot-2011-10-18_20-42-45.png
20:56 Menche remember the kitten cafe?
20:56 Fixer no
20:56 Fixer :(
20:56 Menche the building made of nyancat blocks
20:56 Fixer i don't think there were nyans
20:56 Sokomine VanessaE does fixes to her version of mt (not only dreambuilder) that make it more convenient for players. sadly, not all server admins are nice to their builders
20:57 Fixer ^____________^ my home http://c55.me/random/2011-10/server_​shots/tscrot-2011-10-18_20-43-15.png
20:57 Sokomine is it any better than your house in the mountain?
20:58 Menche remember the extensive periods of vandals by LandMine?
20:59 Fixer no, i remember that Kray map was griefed a lot in center, and constant griefing on c55.me
20:59 Fixer that was almost 5 years ago
20:59 Fixer Sokomine: this is my house in a mountain
21:01 Fixer screenshots were made early it seems, some buildings are missing
21:02 Fixer server at night: http://c55.me/random/2011-10/server_​shots/tscrot-2011-10-18_20-53-59.png
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21:04 * Menche left the minetest community sometime after the wars over mese crystals, finite lava, and overdone physics
21:05 Sokomine ah. i remember. we had that strange bug with falling items on menches server. flowers and tools stacking almost endlessly through solid nodes
21:05 Sokomine i still have screenshots of those odd rows
21:05 twoelk Menche, you could create a subgame to your liking - might be an intersting alternative
21:05 Menche ah, the entity duplication bugs
21:06 Menche twoelk, I actually plan on doing that
21:06 twoelk cool
21:07 Menche I has been playing and occasionally contributing to voxelands, darkrose's revival of minetest 0.3.3
21:08 Fixer Menche: what is amazing is how other stuff was standing ok on Kray's server, lots of stuff not griefed
21:08 twoelk btw, what where the arguments against mese crystals?
21:08 Menche s/has/had
21:08 Fixer Menche: lol, you left because of mese crystals? come on....
21:08 Menche mese crystals, finite lava, and overdone physics
21:08 Fixer Menche: minetest has carts now...
21:09 Menche also there was quite a bit of drama over who made decisions
21:09 twoelk seems the same at all times
21:09 Menche and then darkrose made her fork of minetest 0.3.3
21:09 Menche so I jumped over to that
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21:11 Sokomine that sounds good, menche
21:11 Menche twoelk, mese blocks were something that had been in the game for a long time, and were unique to minetest (I think the story was that they were a placeholder that was never replaced)
21:11 Menche basically a historical artifact of sorts
21:11 Sokomine er, i mean the new subgame/server
21:12 Sokomine Menche: mese blocks can still be found in the game. they're just very rare and can only be found below -1024
21:12 Menche yeah
21:12 Sokomine but such things can easily be changed in the game :-)
21:13 twoelk Indeed I consider mese and nyancats and sneakladders important parts of minetest - but crystals did not do away with mese - they just expanded the gameplay
21:15 Fixer http://c55.me/random/2010-10/grumbuduts.png
21:16 twoelk that must have taken some time to build
21:16 Menche anyways voxelands is kind of dead now  :/
21:16 * twoelk hasn't played voxeland for ages - maybe should check the current state of the game ;-P
21:16 Menche is that the old Barad Dur?
21:16 sfan5 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzfSAG4gFgU / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpZpa0fCMiU / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwH7KpDAjag
21:16 sfan5 ^ Fixer
21:17 Menche not sure if anyone is still actively playing it
21:18 Menche darkrose hasn't done much on it for a while; she started coding another game and building a steam locomotive, and lost interest :P
21:18 Sokomine last time i tried there where players on servers
21:18 Fixer sfan5: waaaaaaaait, I REMEMBER this
21:18 Sokomine but it's some time ago now
21:18 Menche yeah
21:18 Fixer sfan5: there was big empty area near it
21:19 Menche I sort of took it up after she lost interest, but I am famously under motivated
21:19 Fixer holy shit yes
21:19 Fixer i visited that place many times
21:19 Menche both development and playing has wound down significantly
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21:24 Menche does minetest have support for a server status page?
21:24 Menche like http://servers.voxelands.com:30001/
21:24 Fixer Menche: servers.minetest.net
21:25 Menche voxelands' is per-server
21:25 Menche darkrose added an embedded micro http server (though I'd prefer a CGI script)
21:25 Menche that looks blank?
21:26 Menche oh, javascript
21:26 Menche grar
21:27 Fixer http://c55.me/random/2010-10/mapdraw2.png Far Map 1.0
21:28 Fixer or even 0.1
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21:32 Fixer http://c55.me/random/2010-10/​unlimitedheightmap_debug.png interesting
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21:37 Fixer http://c55.me/random/2011-0​4/screenshot-2007-09-02.png
21:37 Fixer pokerface
21:39 jluc so goood
21:39 jluc i managed to install and run mobs-redo and monsters and animals
21:40 jluc couldnt get rid of errors for animals-modpack
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21:41 Fixer i miss those 4:3 notebooks http://c55.me/random/2011-06/tot​allyrandom/20110620-tyopoyta.jpg
21:41 Fixer now you can't see shit on this small 16:9 crap
21:42 * Menche puts black bars on Fixer's screen's edges
21:42 Fixer i still use 5:4
21:43 Fixer until it dies
21:43 * Menche has an old Dell Inspiron 5150
21:43 Menche 1024x768, Pentium 4
21:44 Menche has nvidia card, but would probably lose horribly to modern integrated graphics :P
21:45 Fixer what card?
21:45 Fixer 5XXX series?
21:45 Fixer or 4TI ?
21:46 Menche not sure
21:46 * Menche looks up
21:47 twoelk hehe, I like that toiletpaper roll in fixer's pic
21:47 Fixer i know what you did there.png
21:48 twoelk I wonder whats in all them coffe pots
21:48 Fixer what I like in Finland is lots of wood
21:48 twoelk *coffee
21:48 * Fixer has scarce woods
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21:51 * twoelk notices he should get on the road if he wants to be home before midnight :-/
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21:53 Sokomine Fixer: yes. inflation...in the past, a 12" notebook was good enough. now you have to buy a 14" in order to get a 12"
21:53 Sokomine (which is much heavier)
21:54 Menche that model had an nVidia GeForce FX Go 5200
21:54 Fixer Menche: crappy one
21:55 Fixer my relative had this 5200 too
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22:01 Fixer vaporwave also adds to the nostalgia
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22:14 swift110 true Sokomine
22:15 swift110 menche do you play minetest on that old machine?
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22:26 garywhite How do I compile Minetest from Git?
22:28 rubenwardy what OS?
22:28 garywhite Win
22:29 Fixer nevermind ^_>
22:29 rubenwardy Are you a masochist?
22:29 garywhite ?
22:29 rubenwardy on a more serious note:
22:30 rubenwardy http://dev.minetest.net/Compilin​g_Minetest#Compiling_on_Windows
22:30 garywhite ok thanks
22:30 Fixer actually i've compiled minetest on windows 4 years ago with msvc2005
22:30 rubenwardy Ask sfan5 or Krock for help, they seem like they know what they're doing
22:31 Fixer and used modified celerons bat script
22:32 Fixer on windows xp
22:32 Fixer and krock still uses it
22:32 Fixer good os, but security...
22:33 garywhite ok I think I'll hold off on it for now...I don't want to install that much software
22:33 kaeza garywhite, what I did was download the packages listed in util/buildbot, install MinGW, and compiled C++ packages myself (Irrlicht and some other I forget)
22:33 Fixer garywhite: try installing msvc2005 and use precompiled binaries ^_>
22:34 Fixer loving those mixed birch apple trees
22:35 garywhite For some reason I already have MSVC2005 redistributable and MSVC2012 redistributable
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22:35 Fixer garywhite: not sure if this helps, here is veeery old celerons script modified by me and used by me 4 years ago: http://pastebin.com/raw/r91HFW2t
22:36 Fixer it will not work for sure %)
22:36 Fixer don't try it, just education purposes
22:36 Fixer garywhite: ask Krock, he knows better
22:36 garywhite I think I'll just use sfan's builds for now, I don't want to get into that much detail of writing scripts & all that
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22:49 Fixer new snow texture looks wonderful, i love it more and more
22:50 Sokomine someone on the forum posted an article about using the new linux emulation/included ubuntu to compile and run mt under win. no idea how useful that is
22:50 Fixer big thanks to RBA for that graphic fixes, snow scenes are wonderful. RIP
22:50 Fixer Sokomine: probably sfan?
22:51 Fixer Sokomine: i do it the same way, i have VM with debian and cross-compiler
22:52 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/bHKkSsi.jpg ^___^
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22:56 Allycat007 How do I go?
22:56 Allycat007 Oops
22:56 Allycat007 Auto correct
22:56 Allycat007 How do I tp
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23:01 Sokomine Allycat007: depends. if you have the teleport priv, you can use that command to teleport to another player or to coordinates. else you'll have to see what's installed on the server. there are diffrent mods
23:02 Allycat007 I'm on OldCoder wizard school
23:03 Sokomine keep looking for a travelnet box. those allow you to teleport to other travelnet boxes
23:03 Sokomine right-click such a box (it's yellow/glass, 2 nodes high) if you find one
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