Time Nick Message 02:29 garywhite Idea: Would it be plausible to have a small program, similar to rubenwardy's minetest mod manager for Android, but for PC? 04:57 namespace Hi. 04:57 namespace Annoying issue: 04:58 namespace On my server, the fences appear to have the wrong texture. 04:58 namespace And I'm not really sure why. 05:44 MinetestBot 02[git] 04tenplus1 -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Creative: Fix missing item bug caused by 'start_i' value 13022d22c https://git.io/vX7Dn (152016-11-18T05:38:25Z) 05:44 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sofar -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Convert many textures to indexed color 13af3c918 https://git.io/vX7Dc (152016-11-18T05:37:02Z) 06:29 MinetestBot 02[git] 04orwell96 -> 03minetest/minetest: Particles: Make attached particle spawners respect the parent's yaw 13681d127 https://git.io/vX7Su (152016-11-18T06:18:54Z) 06:29 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sofar -> 03minetest/minetest: Builtin/../item: Enable tool breaking sounds 134a0a672 https://git.io/vX7Sz (152016-11-18T06:15:08Z) 07:07 swift110-phone Hey 07:08 namespace Hey. 07:09 Chinchou Yo. 07:12 swift110-phone How are you 07:59 swift110-phone Hmm 08:15 MinetestBot 02[git] 04paramat -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Default: Add 'group:cools_lava' for lavacooling by snowblock and ice 13c3f3406 https://git.io/vX75j (152016-11-18T08:09:45Z) 08:15 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sofar -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Default: Add tool breaking sounds 1368192a1 https://git.io/vX7de (152016-11-18T08:08:59Z) 09:41 JamesTait Good morning all! Happy Friday, and happy GIS Day! 😃 🌍 🛰 10:24 Chinchou Unrendered characters ahoy. 11:15 IhrFussel The devs broke 0.4.14 Android... the app cannot display error messages when connecting, instead the app crashes INSTANTLY 11:16 est31 IhrFussel: make a bug report 11:16 IhrFussel That is a HUGE problem because I wanted to implement notices when connecting like "Sorry server too busy right now" 11:17 est31 as I said: file an issue so that it doesnt get forgotten 11:18 IhrFussel est31, it kinda surprises me that nobody else filed one yet AFAIK 11:18 est31 also have you compiled latest master 11:18 est31 or do you use the app from play store? 11:18 Chinchou F-Droid has a build too, I think 11:19 IhrFussel No I'm using the stable version from the play store as do most other players...how did such a BIG error slip through the quality checks? 11:19 est31 dunno, we are not microsoft 11:20 est31 small team of developers doing this in their free time 11:20 IhrFussel Well but you do test your builds and a crash on connection should be easy to find 11:20 Chinchou *Obligatory joke about M$ QA* 11:20 Brikooba How is tar harvested? What mod(s) is it part of? 11:21 Chinchou Brikooba, I've seen tar in Cottages(either that or castle) and in... I think homedecor. 11:21 Chinchou In the former, at least, it is crafted with gravel and something else. 11:22 Brikooba Is it lying in puddles on the ground? 11:22 Chinchou Nope, unfortunately. 11:22 Chinchou I don't think liquids can be "dug" in the way one would expect for that. 11:22 Chinchou l;' 11:22 Chinchou Excuse me, feline overlord. 11:23 Brikooba I know there is a 'tar knife'. I thought perhaps you find a puddle and then mine it with the knife. 11:24 Chinchou Unless it is a solid node, I doubt that it would work - unless the knife functions as a bucket, I suppose. 11:24 Chinchou Anyway, the knife is used for further crafting, as I recall - but my memory is hazy. 11:27 Chinchou Is it possible to replace a pointed node on "use", the way the screwdriver rotates a node on "use"? 11:39 IhrFussel https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4789 11:45 muhdnurhidayat_ lol, I suddenly timed out and when refresh my name changed... anyway, anyone know why I can't enter IhrFussel's Server? It kicks me back to homescreen (Android) and the file in debug.txt write Access Denied. Reason: Login Failed. Reason: Test. though I'm pretty sure my password is correct... 11:46 IhrFussel muhdnurhidayat_, haha that is exactly why I complain right now 11:46 Chinchou muhdnurhidayat_, IhrFussel was talking about that issue just now- 11:46 Chinchou yeah. 11:47 muhdnurhidayat_ oh... 11:47 IhrFussel I tried to implement a custom error message when the server is too busy or should not be reachable for some other reason...until I realized that Android users with 0.4.14 will just experience a crash instead of reading my error 11:49 IhrFussel muhdnurhidayat_, but I disabled the custom error now so you can connect again 13:41 Brikooba Why do I get a 'not authorized to read this forum' message? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4369 13:41 Brikooba That is a link from the wiki. http://wiki.minetest.net/Mods:Nature#Perlin_conifers_ongen_.5Bconifers.5D_by_paramat 14:44 agaran Brikooba: heh, maybe dev only? 15:23 Sploogin Can i use my MOGA controller on Android app?? 15:47 hoodedice hello everyone, I am of return 15:47 hoodedice Calinou :D 15:58 whitephoenix thinking about streaming modding again today if I come up with some mod ideas 15:59 hoodedice there's this girl in front of me in class, and she's looking at pre built desktops 16:00 hoodedice the cringe is very distracting 16:00 hoodedice yo celeron55 16:01 whitephoenix hoodedice, tell her to stop being a noob and build a pc from scratch and install gentoo 16:01 hoodedice > install gentoo 16:02 hoodedice okay, she is on pcpartpicker now 16:02 celeron55 >2016 16:02 hoodedice good good, let the pcmasterrace flow into you, girl 16:02 celeron55 >not even soldering your own ram chips 16:02 hoodedice welcomd to the dark side, we have cookies 16:02 hoodedice > she is googling "best cpu for pc gaming" 16:02 hoodedice > mfw I get 60fps on bf4 with an i3 (granted, skylake) 16:03 whitephoenix >not writing your own OS with cat and unix pipes in ruby on rails 16:03 whitephoenix how will you ever be webscale 16:03 hoodedice > not writing your OS in TypeScript 16:03 hoodedice you need that MS in your life somehow 16:03 hoodedice oh god, she is on a website recommending a 4790K 16:03 hoodedice outdated/10 16:04 Jordach tfw c55 is /g/entooman 16:04 hoodedice bbl 16:04 whitephoenix why do people spend so much on gaming pcs 16:05 hoodedice I didn't, I have an i3 16:05 whitephoenix I spent like $550 and can play anything at 1080p/60fps 16:05 Jordach >i5, RX 480 8GB 16:05 hoodedice I just bought a $300 GPU on that 16:05 Jordach i spent already more 16:05 Jordach but then again i use my pc for heavy loads 16:20 garywhite I don't have a gaming PC, I have a quad-core i5 16:22 Brikooba Which mod provides commands for moving items between the inventory and chest ? 16:23 asl97 Brikooba: uh... i am pretty sure item moving is implemented in the engine using C++ 16:24 Brikooba There exists a mod with command extensions, so the user can type a command. For example: 16:24 Brikooba one command moves all items in the players inventory into the chest. 16:25 Brikooba I saw it recently, but did not find it again. 16:32 hoodedice behold, it is I, whodeadeyes! 16:35 hoodedice Calinou :D 16:37 asl97 Brikooba: i can't seem to find anything on it, if you seen it on a server, it shouldn't be hard to find the name and then find the files 16:38 asl97 however something like that shouldn't be hard to code, the only possible problem i can think of is selecting a chest when there is a lot of chests around 16:42 hoodedice for chest in chests: pluckHair() 16:58 Blerttt how many blocks can you fall down without taking damage in vanila minetest game? 17:06 sofar 8-9 blocks? easy enough to test 17:07 Fixer you can avoid damage at all 17:14 asl97 Blerttt: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/environment.cpp#L2452 17:14 asl97 if i understood that correctly, it's 25? 17:18 asl97 not quite sure how they get 5 from BS*14 17:20 asl97 Blerttt: oh, read your question wrongly, it's says 5 without damage 17:22 Blerttt is this hardcoded or can it be changed with mods? 17:22 asl97 Blerttt: it looks pretty hard coded 17:25 asl97 Blerttt: you might be able to just change every single node `fall_damage_add_percent` to change it 17:29 asl97 Blerttt: it might even make falling heal players if you put it lower than -100 xD 17:31 hoodedice no, what you want to do is, make a mapgen that makes a bottomless abyss at (10,10,0) 17:31 hoodedice err, an abyss that terminates at -1500 or something 17:32 hoodedice and then you won't die if you jump because the mapgen generating thing will reset your fall speed 17:33 asl97 oh wait... no it wouldn't... it check if the speed is more than tolerance, it wouldn't allow a negative number (which should heal players). 17:37 Calinou hi hoodedice 17:37 hoodedice Calinou, cryengine is pay-what-you-want and "open source" 17:37 Calinou there's this girl in front of me in class, and she's looking at pre built desktops 17:37 Calinou the cringe is very distracting 17:37 Calinou [I know that feel bro meme here] 17:38 Calinou I'm currently looking at laptops personally (current one is too big) 17:38 hoodedice I talked to her after class, she's going to build a desktop 17:38 hoodedice I would recommend a surface if you are looking at mobility, but you are not a windows person 17:52 Calinou hoodedice: I don't have anything against Windows laptops 17:52 Calinou Surface is too small, probably, though 17:52 Calinou this is for programming 17:53 Calinou and image editing as well, and some video editing/Blender 17:53 hoodedice ehh, image and video stuff, you want a desktop 17:58 Krock I have something against Windows. 17:58 Calinou hoodedice: can't use a desktop for uni 17:58 Krock 5 new virus and trojans 17:59 Krock 17:59 Calinou they do have desktops at uni but they suck (slow HDDs, have to use their old software), and some rooms have no PCs and you need your laptop 17:59 Calinou nobody really uses their desktops :) 17:59 Calinou either way, there seems to be a French site that offers nice discounts on business-grade Dell laptops, and it's official apparently 18:00 est31 its really a true stereotype that software at unis is old 18:01 hoodedice well, we have xeon desktops in all the labs that comp sci students use 18:01 est31 I guess I'm quite fortunate that I don't have to live with ubuntu 8.04 or something 18:02 hoodedice running the last LTS of ubuntu, not 16.04 18:02 sfan5 14.04 then 18:02 hoodedice very likely 18:02 hoodedice brb sshing into one and finding out 18:03 hoodedice yup, 14.04 18:03 Calinou est31: Windows 7, Adobe CS6, Office 2013... all those are no longer the latest :P 18:04 Calinou and no possibility to use your VPN/your IRC client ;) 18:04 est31 I think our computers have windows 7 too 18:04 est31 many computer departments have a dislike against windows 10 because of all the spying 18:05 est31 but the uni has linux computers too 18:06 Calinou our PCs were shipped with Ubuntu, but reinstalled with Windows 7 Enterprise 18:06 est31 the windows computer room has a certain ... smell. Maybe because its older, maybe because more people use it hehe 18:06 Calinou (they claim it's a legit version :P) 18:06 hoodedice oh look https://gist.githubusercontent.com/hoodedice/f3f2fd56dc794eb17c8469b70328d760/raw/0075e75f390be892ac397b81d9714965d59b6b7c/%2520warning.lol 18:07 est31 if you are an uni you can get a discount for windows i think 18:07 hoodedice I got my copy of windows that I use for free 18:08 est31 yeah basically the uni pays a symbolic amount of money and all the students get windows for free 18:08 Calinou we don't have Windows for free here, but we do have Office 18:08 Calinou (IIRC) 18:08 AcidNinjaFWHR Hi 18:09 hoodedice I wonder if "sshing into my vps and updating some stuff" counts as NON SCHOOL ACTIVITY 18:09 hoodedice hello acid, you're making me trip 18:10 Krock o/ AcidNinjaFWHR 18:10 Calinou we don't have uni-provided VPSes here, only a simple FTP... 18:10 Krock hoodedice, sure it is non-school if it's not related to school directly. but I doubt they would notice that, even if they do you can discuss 18:11 hoodedice I was sshing into my own vps that is hosted somewhere else entirely 18:11 hoodedice Krock I'm being kind of sarcastic there 18:11 Krock sarcasm is good :) 18:11 Calinou hoodedice: I'm still kind of torn between display sizes, will perhaps go 14" 18:12 AcidNinjaFWHR probably the uni's IT guy doesn't even know about ssh xD 18:12 Calinou it shouldn't be too small (else real estate available is too low) or too big (impossible to carry around) 18:12 Calinou 14" 1920x1080 at 125% scaling sounds good 18:12 AcidNinjaFWHR or he's too busy getting his torrent movies from the uni's super bandwitdh speed. 18:12 Calinou currently using 17.3" 1920x1080 at 100% scaling 18:13 hoodedice Cal, this is my current laptop http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0%2c2817%2c2498473%2c00.asp 18:13 hoodedice Acid, the IT guy for the *nix machines at my college is actually competent lol 18:13 Calinou hoodedice: considering business-grade laptops more than gaming laptops, I will game on it very occasionally and only lightweight games anyway 18:13 hoodedice also, I'm part time IT 18:13 Calinou I want good finish, good battery life, decent display 18:13 sfan5 I got my copy of windows that I use for free 18:13 hoodedice lmk what you find 18:13 sfan5 piracy :D? 18:14 Krock you can use each activation code twice AFAIK 18:14 whitephoenix [linux shilling intensifies] 18:14 hoodedice this one I have is a cheap ($350 refurbished) i5-6200U, 8GB of soldered on RAM (no upgrades), and a shitty kingston M.2 ssd 18:14 Calinou hoodedice: so far looked at some ThinkPads (T460s, T560 (which is 15.6" actually), some Dells (XPS 13, XPS 15, Latitude E7470)... 18:14 Calinou they all have more or less big downsides :( 18:14 hoodedice which is more than enough for the amount of things I've thrown at it 18:15 Calinou and relatively high price 18:15 Calinou (which I can accept, but then it must be literally perfect) 18:15 hoodedice the biggest con in my laptop is the keyboard 18:15 whitephoenix if you're looking for cheap computers check ebay for refurb thinkpads 18:15 Calinou apparently ThinkPads have nice laptops 18:15 Calinou keyboards* 18:15 whitephoenix got an i5/ssd/8gb for $220 18:15 hoodedice the old thinkpads do, yes 18:15 hoodedice white, 1080p screen too, amazing quality for a TN panel 18:15 hoodedice almost rivals my IPS monitor 18:16 Calinou I want good battery life, at least 6-7 hours in web browsing 18:16 Calinou < 3 hours like my current laptop is just unacceptable 18:16 hoodedice new thinkpads and xps have shitty keyboards, just like mine 18:16 Krock at least they have the ESC key 18:17 Calinou hoodedice: according to reviews, recent ThinkPad keyboards seem ok 18:17 hoodedice hah, my old one has a 30min battery span now, down from 4-5hours of actual work on battery 18:17 hoodedice this one has a 6 hour+ battery life on browsing and stuff, more if you downclock it to 0.5GHz (power saving mode) 18:18 Calinou looks like T560 can have big batteries (two of them), and last over 10 hours 18:18 hoodedice lenovo keyboards are ergonomic, but at the cost of reducing speed 18:18 Calinou it's relatively bulky of a laptop though, and display seems to have horrible reaction times (and PWM) 18:18 Calinou (XPS 15 also has that problem it seems?) 18:18 Calinou apparently it's a problem even for watching videos 18:19 hoodedice if a laptop is slim, it also better transform into a tablet by flipping the display around 18:19 hoodedice brb 18:20 Calinou Surface Book i7 ;D 18:20 Calinou it's just €2,400 18:20 hoodedice book has decent keyboard by modern standards 18:21 hoodedice I honestly want a low profile mechanical already 18:21 Calinou I have a mechanical keyboard on my desktop 18:21 Calinou (Logitech G710+, MX Brown) 18:21 hoodedice put that shit in a 2-in-1 like the surface book and I'll buy the fuck out of it 18:21 Calinou the difference between mechanical and non-mechanical is hardly noticeable to me... 18:21 hoodedice I have MX blues, and the difference is very noticeable 18:21 Calinou a bit better but not a huge difference 18:21 hoodedice because I have weak fingers 18:23 whitephoenix gonna be streaming modding and probably just rambling about stupid crap for a little while https://www.twitch.tv/whitephoenix0 18:25 Calinou hoodedice: I'll wait for Kaby Lake probably anyway... but I have to carry this laptop for 3-4 months more then :( 18:25 Calinou my backpack is pretty large, and it's broken in all sides already :P 18:34 Brikooba There exists a mod which lets you make clay from dismantled furnaces. What is the name? Where is it? 18:35 Krock so you mean cooking with a fire? 18:35 Calinou [Duke says: "Where is it?"] 18:35 Krock Brikooba, smth like this? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=10569 18:44 Brikooba I mean this. With enough trying to remember, I remembered enough to find it in a WWW search. https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5525 19:06 hoodedice back 19:07 hoodedice kaby lake is not tooooo big of an improvement 19:10 est31 tick tock? 19:11 est31 first a tick with a big improvement 19:11 est31 then a tock with a refinement of the tick release 19:16 hoodedice used to be the case, but with dies already shrunk down to 14nm, I think intel will be hard pressed to go lower 19:16 hoodedice canonlake is 10nm only for U and Y parts, according to wikipedia 19:17 est31 U and Y ? 19:29 Calinou hoodedice: should bring slightly better battery lifes while having about +10% performance, always nice to have IMO 19:29 Calinou est31: ultra low power and ultra-ultra-low-power 19:29 Calinou U is for ultrabooks, Y for tablets generally 19:29 est31 I see 19:29 hoodedice shoulda pinged me est :D 19:30 hoodedice my laptop is a U, i5-6200U specifically. 19:30 Calinou the i7s don't bring much over the i5, but some of the i7s have better IGPs 19:30 hoodedice Uses very little power comparatively, con is that max clock is 2.3GHz stock, but can turbo to 2.7 (and since cooling is amazing, I have no heat problems if turbo'd) 19:31 Calinou i7-6650U has better IGP, and can turbo to 3.4 GHz 19:31 hoodedice i5 on laptops IIRC are 2c/4t like desktop i3s 19:31 Calinou results in about +20% peformance compared to an i5 19:31 hoodedice hmm, but I would expect that to be a $800 or more laptop 19:31 hoodedice then again, you seem to have the funds for it 19:31 Calinou more like $1,300+ 19:32 Calinou yes, the region gives a help for students for purchasing a laptop in 2nd or 3rd year of uni :) 19:32 hoodedice you should also look at amd's offerings, I've heard that bristol ridge isn't too terrible 19:32 Calinou €200-€400 depending on revenue 19:32 hoodedice nice 19:32 Calinou no high-end laptops use AMD... 19:33 hoodedice only hp really does AMD and then again, you have to look at their memory configs (APUs NEED dual channel and HP has a history of keeping them single channel and un-upgradable) 20:03 Fixer if you are not into mobile, buy good desktop 20:04 Calinou no choice here, Fixer 20:04 Calinou also, I already have a good desktop :P 20:05 Emperor_Genshin which kind is it? :3 20:05 Calinou Emperor_Genshin: self-built 20:05 Emperor_Genshin nice 20:23 Emperor_Genshin Working on a Tank model, here is a image of it,hope you guys like it! Link to Video: https://vimeo.com/192179093 20:23 Emperor_Genshin Password is: TanksAreAwesome 20:28 Brikooba Emperor_Genshin: Mostly nice. A detractor is that you have the entire cabin, where the driver/operator is, jolt back upon recoil of the guns. He's going to suffer on every shot. 20:30 Brikooba Also the rotation point on the canons/guns combined with the fact that it rectracts doesn't make sense. 20:30 Brikooba Emperor_Genshin: Also the rotation point on the canons/guns combined with the fact that it rectracts doesn't make sense. 20:31 Brikooba The hinge is at the front, but it retracts more than the height of the disc it is attached to. When it is at an angle, it would travel between sections of the tank. 20:32 Emperor_Genshin Brikooba Brikooba 20:32 Emperor_Genshin Brikooba Yeah i'm thinking of re-positioning the driver someplace else lol, I'll work on the shooting animation in just a bit after i'm done texturing it. :) 20:32 Emperor_Genshin oops lol 20:32 Emperor_Genshin XD 20:33 Brikooba That's the kind of reason you ask in this channel, I guess. 20:34 Brikooba Style it has. The spikes look as if they would be against smaller vehicles and people. 20:34 Emperor_Genshin Welp I'm just asking so I can Improve it, critiques helps me quite a lot honestly lol. 20:35 Emperor_Genshin I really want to make it more detailed however im trying my best to keep it a bit voxel-like for minetest. 20:35 namespace Question: If an items texture doesn't render correctly on a server, all server media comes from the server and I don't have to worry about client side issues right? 20:37 Emperor_Genshin It's not really a big deal but it's best if the items texture renders correctly. 20:56 Brikooba Where is a node registered in a group? 20:57 Brikooba -- such as 'group:wood' ? 20:58 asl97 Brikooba: did you mean when? it's when it has the wood group. 20:59 Brikooba No, I meant where is the code located? 21:00 Brikooba I didn't find the answer to that, but I found the information I needed for my current task. : there exists a 'group:tree' , which is what I needed. 21:00 asl97 Brikooba: https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/default/nodes.lua#L515 21:01 asl97 my answer still answer your question 21:03 asl97 more or less 21:03 Brikooba asl97: Thank you. The first I already knew. I was looking for the second. 21:10 Brikooba It seems that the only minetest_game cooking recipe to use 'cooktime' is bread. 21:57 IhrFussel Another Android bug: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4792 22:01 Brikooba Is there a way to climb the underside of a concave surface? can I climb up and then climb across the ceiling? I tried it with vine rope, and it failed. 22:01 Brikooba -- at least how i did it. 22:03 Brikooba I suppose it is impossible to climb only on something above. You need to dig or build something on the side. Or perhaps there is another tool. 22:04 agaran I think you can't climb/hang from ceiling.. 22:05 LightBugs try ladders? 22:59 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/minetestmapper: Code style & comments 130167a72 https://git.io/vXdQB (152016-11-18T23:57:09+01:00) 22:59 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/minetestmapper: Move everything that deals with images directly to an Image class 13a41d231 https://git.io/vXdQR (152016-11-18T23:34:31+01:00) 22:59 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/minetestmapper: Allow rendering (or omitting) scales at every image edge 1377fdcd1 https://git.io/vXdQ0 (152016-11-18T22:01:15+01:00) 23:01 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/minetestmapper: Fix travis 1302e40d2 https://git.io/vXdQ1 (152016-11-19T00:01:27+01:00) 23:24 IhrFussel Does logcat only work on Android when rooted? I'm guessing yes 23:32 sfan5 IhrFussel: no, logcat doesnt require root 23:35 IhrFussel sfan5, it just told me "LogCat requires root privs to read system logs, without root you'll only be able to see LogCat's own logs" :/ 23:35 sfan5 logcat is *NOT* an app 23:35 sfan5 whatever is saying that, it's not the right one 23:36 IhrFussel Where are the system logs located then? 23:37 sfan5 you need the android developer tools on your pc 23:37 sfan5 to use logcat 23:39 IhrFussel sfan5, you mean I have to emulate Android on my PC? 23:39 est31 no 23:40 est31 the emulator is only a part of the developer tools 23:40 est31 logcat is another one, and the two parts can be used separately 23:40 est31 what you do need to have is an adb connection though 23:41 est31 it can be either through usb or the network (i recommend usb as network is not as fast and stable) 23:41 est31 plus you need to enable developer mode on the phone to be able to bring it into adb client mode 23:42 est31 logcat can be accessed solely on the phone too if you want to 23:42 est31 ttps://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nolanlawson.logcat 23:42 est31 https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nolanlawson.logcat 23:42 sfan5 however that exact app might need root to do that 23:43 est31 https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdid=com.nolanlawson.logcat 23:43 est31 yeah 23:43 est31 it does