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02:29 garywhite Idea: Would it be plausible to have a small program, similar to rubenwardy's minetest mod manager for Android, but for PC?
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04:57 namespace Hi.
04:57 namespace Annoying issue:
04:58 namespace On my server, the fences appear to have the wrong texture.
04:58 namespace And I'm not really sure why.
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07:07 swift110-phone Hey
07:08 namespace Hey.
07:09 Chinchou Yo.
07:12 swift110-phone How are you
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07:59 swift110-phone Hmm
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09:41 JamesTait Good morning all!  Happy Friday, and happy GIS Day! 😃  🌍 🛰
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10:24 Chinchou Unrendered characters ahoy.
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11:15 IhrFussel The devs broke 0.4.14 Android... the app cannot display error messages when connecting, instead the app crashes INSTANTLY
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11:16 est31 IhrFussel: make a bug report
11:16 IhrFussel That is a HUGE problem because I wanted to implement notices when connecting like "Sorry server too busy right now"
11:17 est31 as I said: file an issue so that it doesnt get forgotten
11:18 IhrFussel est31, it kinda surprises me that nobody else filed one yet AFAIK
11:18 est31 also have you compiled latest master
11:18 est31 or do you use the app from play store?
11:18 Chinchou F-Droid has a build too, I think
11:19 IhrFussel No I'm using the stable version from the play store as do most other players...how did such a BIG error slip through the quality checks?
11:19 est31 dunno, we are not microsoft
11:20 est31 small team of developers doing this in their free time
11:20 IhrFussel Well but you do test your builds and a crash on connection should be easy to find
11:20 Chinchou *Obligatory joke about M$ QA*
11:20 Brikooba How is tar harvested?  What mod(s) is it part of?
11:21 Chinchou Brikooba, I've seen tar in Cottages(either that or castle) and in... I think homedecor.
11:21 Chinchou In the former, at least, it is crafted with gravel and something else.
11:22 Brikooba Is it lying in puddles on the ground?
11:22 Chinchou Nope, unfortunately.
11:22 Chinchou I don't think liquids can be "dug" in the way one would expect for that.
11:22 Chinchou l;'
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11:22 Chinchou Excuse me, feline overlord.
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11:23 Brikooba I know there is a 'tar knife'. I thought perhaps you find a puddle and then mine it with the knife.
11:24 Chinchou Unless it is a solid node, I doubt that it would work - unless the knife functions as a bucket, I suppose.
11:24 Chinchou Anyway, the knife is used for further crafting, as I recall - but my memory is hazy.
11:27 Chinchou Is it possible to replace a pointed node on "use", the way the screwdriver rotates a node on "use"?
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11:39 IhrFussel https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4789
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11:45 muhdnurhidayat_ lol, I suddenly timed out and when refresh my name changed... anyway, anyone know why I can't enter IhrFussel's Server?  It kicks me back to homescreen (Android) and the file in debug.txt write Access Denied. Reason: Login Failed. Reason: Test. though I'm pretty sure my password is correct...
11:46 IhrFussel muhdnurhidayat_, haha that is exactly why I complain right now
11:46 Chinchou muhdnurhidayat_, IhrFussel was talking about that issue just now-
11:46 Chinchou yeah.
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11:47 muhdnurhidayat_ oh...
11:47 IhrFussel I tried to implement a custom error message when the server is too busy or should not be reachable for some other reason...until I realized that Android users with 0.4.14 will just experience a crash instead of reading my error
11:49 IhrFussel muhdnurhidayat_, but I disabled the custom error now so you can connect again
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13:41 Brikooba Why do I get a 'not authorized to read this forum' message?  https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=11&t=4369
13:41 Brikooba That is a link from the wiki.  http://wiki.minetest.net/Mods:​Nature#Perlin_conifers_ongen_.5Bconifers.5D_by_paramat
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14:44 agaran Brikooba: heh, maybe dev only?
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15:23 Sploogin Can i use my MOGA controller on Android app??
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15:47 hoodedice hello everyone, I am of return
15:47 hoodedice Calinou :D
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15:58 whitephoenix thinking about streaming modding again today if I come up with some mod ideas
15:59 hoodedice there's this girl in front of me in class, and she's looking at pre built desktops
16:00 hoodedice the cringe is very distracting
16:00 hoodedice yo celeron55
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16:01 whitephoenix hoodedice, tell her to stop being a noob and build a pc from scratch and install gentoo
16:01 hoodedice > install gentoo
16:02 hoodedice okay, she is on pcpartpicker now
16:02 celeron55 >2016
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16:02 hoodedice good good, let the pcmasterrace flow into you, girl
16:02 celeron55 >not even soldering your own ram chips
16:02 hoodedice welcomd to the dark side, we have cookies
16:02 hoodedice > she is googling "best cpu for pc gaming"
16:02 hoodedice > mfw I get 60fps on bf4 with an i3 (granted, skylake)
16:03 whitephoenix >not writing your own OS with cat and unix pipes in ruby on rails
16:03 whitephoenix how will you ever be webscale
16:03 hoodedice > not writing your OS in TypeScript
16:03 hoodedice you need that MS in your life somehow
16:03 hoodedice oh god, she is on a website recommending a 4790K
16:03 hoodedice outdated/10
16:04 Jordach tfw c55 is /g/entooman
16:04 hoodedice bbl
16:04 whitephoenix why do people spend so much on gaming pcs
16:05 hoodedice I didn't, I have an i3
16:05 whitephoenix I spent like $550 and can play anything at 1080p/60fps
16:05 Jordach >i5, RX 480 8GB
16:05 hoodedice I just bought a $300 GPU on that
16:05 Jordach i spent already more
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16:05 Jordach but then again i use my pc for heavy loads
16:20 garywhite I don't have a gaming PC, I have a quad-core i5
16:22 Brikooba Which mod provides commands for moving items between the inventory and chest ?
16:23 asl97 Brikooba: uh... i am pretty sure item moving is implemented in the engine using C++
16:24 Brikooba There exists a mod with command extensions, so the user can type a command. For example:
16:24 Brikooba one command moves all items in the players inventory into the chest.
16:25 Brikooba I saw it recently, but did not find it again.
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16:32 hoodedice behold, it is I, whodeadeyes!
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16:35 hoodedice Calinou :D
16:37 asl97 Brikooba: i can't seem to find anything on it,  if you seen it on a server, it shouldn't be hard to find the name and then find the files
16:38 asl97 however something like that shouldn't be hard to code,  the only possible problem i can think of is selecting a chest when there is a lot of chests around
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16:42 hoodedice for chest in chests: pluckHair()
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16:58 Blerttt how many blocks can you fall down without taking damage in vanila minetest game?
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17:06 sofar 8-9 blocks? easy enough to test
17:07 Fixer you can avoid damage at all
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17:14 asl97 Blerttt: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/​blob/master/src/environment.cpp#L2452
17:14 asl97 if i understood that correctly, it's 25?
17:18 asl97 not quite sure how they get 5 from BS*14
17:20 asl97 Blerttt: oh, read your question wrongly,  it's says 5 without damage
17:22 Blerttt is this hardcoded or can it be changed with mods?
17:22 asl97 Blerttt: it looks pretty hard coded
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17:25 asl97 Blerttt: you might be able to just change every single node `fall_damage_add_percent` to change it
17:29 asl97 Blerttt: it might even make falling heal players if you put it lower than -100 xD
17:31 hoodedice no, what you want to do is, make a mapgen that makes a bottomless abyss at (10,10,0)
17:31 hoodedice err, an abyss that terminates at -1500 or something
17:32 hoodedice and then you won't die if you jump because the mapgen generating thing will reset your fall speed
17:33 asl97 oh wait... no it wouldn't... it check if the speed is more than tolerance, it wouldn't allow a negative number (which should heal players).
17:37 Calinou hi hoodedice
17:37 hoodedice Calinou, cryengine is pay-what-you-want and "open source"
17:37 Calinou <hoodedice> there's this girl in front of me in class, and she's looking at pre built desktops
17:37 Calinou <hoodedice> the cringe is very distracting
17:37 Calinou [I know that feel bro meme here]
17:38 Calinou I'm currently looking at laptops personally (current one is too big)
17:38 hoodedice I talked to her after class, she's going to build a desktop
17:38 hoodedice I would recommend a surface if you are looking at mobility, but you are not a windows person
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17:52 Calinou hoodedice: I don't have anything against Windows laptops
17:52 Calinou Surface is too small, probably, though
17:52 Calinou this is for programming
17:53 Calinou and image editing as well, and some video editing/Blender
17:53 hoodedice ehh, image and video stuff, you want a desktop
17:58 Krock I have something against Windows.
17:58 Calinou hoodedice: can't use a desktop for uni
17:58 Krock 5 new virus and trojans
17:59 Krock <insert laught here>
17:59 Calinou they do have desktops at uni but they suck (slow HDDs, have to use their old software), and some rooms have no PCs and you need your laptop
17:59 Calinou nobody really uses their desktops :)
17:59 Calinou either way, there seems to be a French site that offers nice discounts on business-grade Dell laptops, and it's official apparently
18:00 est31 its really a true stereotype that software at unis is old
18:01 hoodedice well, we have xeon desktops in all the labs that comp sci students use
18:01 est31 I guess I'm quite fortunate that I don't have to live with ubuntu 8.04 or something
18:02 hoodedice running the last LTS of ubuntu, not 16.04
18:02 sfan5 14.04 then
18:02 hoodedice very likely
18:02 hoodedice brb sshing into one and finding out
18:03 hoodedice yup, 14.04
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18:03 Calinou est31: Windows 7, Adobe CS6, Office 2013... all those are no longer the latest :P
18:04 Calinou and no possibility to use your VPN/your IRC client ;)
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18:04 est31 I think our computers have windows 7 too
18:04 est31 many computer departments have a dislike against windows 10 because of all the spying
18:05 est31 but the uni has linux computers too
18:06 Calinou our PCs were shipped with Ubuntu, but reinstalled with Windows 7 Enterprise
18:06 est31 the windows computer room has a certain ... smell. Maybe because its older, maybe because more people use it hehe
18:06 Calinou (they claim it's a legit version :P)
18:06 hoodedice oh look https://gist.githubusercontent.com/hoodedice/f3​f2fd56dc794eb17c8469b70328d760/raw/0075e75f390b​e892ac397b81d9714965d59b6b7c/%2520warning.lol
18:07 est31 if you are an uni you can get a discount for windows i think
18:07 hoodedice I got my copy of windows that I use for free
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18:08 est31 yeah basically the uni pays a symbolic amount of money and all the students get windows for free
18:08 Calinou we don't have Windows for free here, but we do have Office
18:08 Calinou (IIRC)
18:08 AcidNinjaFWHR Hi
18:09 hoodedice I wonder if "sshing into my vps and updating some stuff" counts as NON SCHOOL ACTIVITY
18:09 hoodedice hello acid, you're making me trip
18:10 Krock o/ AcidNinjaFWHR
18:10 Calinou we don't have uni-provided VPSes here, only a simple FTP...
18:10 Krock hoodedice, sure it is non-school if it's not related to school directly. but I doubt they would notice that, even if they do you can discuss
18:11 hoodedice I was sshing into my own vps that is hosted somewhere else entirely
18:11 hoodedice Krock I'm being kind of sarcastic there
18:11 Krock sarcasm is good :)
18:11 Calinou hoodedice: I'm still kind of torn between display sizes, will perhaps go 14"
18:12 AcidNinjaFWHR probably the uni's IT guy doesn't even know about ssh xD
18:12 Calinou it shouldn't be too small (else real estate available is too low) or too big (impossible to carry around)
18:12 Calinou 14" 1920x1080 at 125% scaling sounds good
18:12 AcidNinjaFWHR or he's too busy getting his torrent movies from the uni's super bandwitdh speed.
18:12 Calinou currently using 17.3" 1920x1080 at 100% scaling
18:13 hoodedice Cal, this is my current laptop http://www.pcmag.com/article2​/0%2c2817%2c2498473%2c00.asp
18:13 hoodedice Acid, the IT guy for the *nix machines at my college is actually competent lol
18:13 Calinou hoodedice: considering business-grade laptops more than gaming laptops, I will game on it very occasionally and only lightweight games anyway
18:13 hoodedice also, I'm part time IT
18:13 Calinou I want good finish, good battery life, decent display
18:13 sfan5 <hoodedice> I got my copy of windows that I use for free
18:13 hoodedice lmk what you find
18:13 sfan5 piracy :D?
18:14 Krock you can use each activation code twice AFAIK
18:14 whitephoenix [linux shilling intensifies]
18:14 hoodedice this one I have is a cheap ($350 refurbished) i5-6200U, 8GB of soldered on RAM (no upgrades), and a shitty kingston M.2 ssd
18:14 Calinou hoodedice: so far looked at some ThinkPads (T460s, T560 (which is 15.6" actually), some Dells (XPS 13, XPS 15, Latitude E7470)...
18:14 Calinou they all have more or less big downsides :(
18:14 hoodedice which is more than enough for the amount of things I've thrown at it
18:15 Calinou and relatively high price
18:15 Calinou (which I can accept, but then it must be literally perfect)
18:15 hoodedice the biggest con in my laptop is the keyboard
18:15 whitephoenix if you're looking for cheap computers check ebay for refurb thinkpads
18:15 Calinou apparently ThinkPads have nice laptops
18:15 Calinou keyboards*
18:15 whitephoenix got an i5/ssd/8gb for $220
18:15 hoodedice the old thinkpads do, yes
18:15 hoodedice white, 1080p screen too, amazing quality for a TN panel
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18:15 hoodedice almost rivals my IPS monitor
18:16 Calinou I want good battery life, at least 6-7 hours in web browsing
18:16 Calinou < 3 hours like my current laptop is just unacceptable
18:16 hoodedice new thinkpads and xps have shitty keyboards, just like mine
18:16 Krock at least they have the ESC key
18:17 Calinou hoodedice: according to reviews, recent ThinkPad keyboards seem ok
18:17 hoodedice hah, my old one has a 30min battery span now, down from 4-5hours of actual work on battery
18:17 hoodedice this one has a 6 hour+ battery life on browsing and stuff, more if you downclock it to 0.5GHz (power saving mode)
18:18 Calinou looks like T560 can have big batteries (two of them), and last over 10 hours
18:18 hoodedice lenovo keyboards are ergonomic, but at the cost of reducing speed
18:18 Calinou it's relatively bulky of a laptop though, and display seems to have horrible reaction times (and PWM)
18:18 Calinou (XPS 15 also has that problem it seems?)
18:18 Calinou apparently it's a problem even for watching videos
18:19 hoodedice if a laptop is slim, it also better transform into a tablet by flipping the display around
18:19 hoodedice brb
18:20 Calinou Surface Book i7 ;D
18:20 Calinou it's just €2,400
18:20 hoodedice book has decent keyboard by modern standards
18:21 hoodedice I honestly want a low profile mechanical already
18:21 Calinou I have a mechanical keyboard on my desktop
18:21 Calinou (Logitech G710+, MX Brown)
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18:21 hoodedice put that shit in a 2-in-1 like the surface book and I'll buy the fuck out of it
18:21 Calinou the difference between mechanical and non-mechanical is hardly noticeable to me...
18:21 hoodedice I have MX blues, and the difference is very noticeable
18:21 Calinou a bit better but not a huge difference
18:21 hoodedice because I have weak fingers
18:23 whitephoenix gonna be streaming modding and probably just rambling about stupid crap for a little while https://www.twitch.tv/whitephoenix0
18:25 Calinou hoodedice: I'll wait for Kaby Lake probably anyway... but I have to carry this laptop for 3-4 months more then :(
18:25 Calinou my backpack is pretty large, and it's broken in all sides already :P
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18:34 Brikooba There exists a mod which lets you make clay from dismantled furnaces.  What is the name? Where is it?
18:35 Krock so you mean cooking with a fire?
18:35 Calinou [Duke says: "Where is it?"]
18:35 Krock Brikooba, smth like this? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=10569
18:44 Brikooba I mean this. With enough trying to remember, I remembered enough to find it in a WWW search.  https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5525
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19:06 hoodedice back
19:07 hoodedice kaby lake is not tooooo big of an improvement
19:10 est31 tick tock?
19:11 est31 first a tick with a big improvement
19:11 est31 then a tock with a refinement of the tick release
19:16 hoodedice used to be the case, but with dies already shrunk down to 14nm, I think intel will be hard pressed to go lower
19:16 hoodedice canonlake is 10nm only for U and Y parts, according to wikipedia
19:17 est31 U and Y ?
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19:29 Calinou hoodedice: should bring slightly better battery lifes while having about +10% performance, always nice to have IMO
19:29 Calinou est31: ultra low power and ultra-ultra-low-power
19:29 Calinou U is for ultrabooks, Y for tablets generally
19:29 est31 I see
19:29 hoodedice shoulda pinged me est :D
19:30 hoodedice my laptop is a U, i5-6200U specifically.
19:30 Calinou the i7s don't bring much over the i5, but some of the i7s have better IGPs
19:30 hoodedice Uses very little power comparatively, con is that max clock is 2.3GHz stock, but can turbo to 2.7 (and since cooling is amazing, I have no heat problems if turbo'd)
19:31 Calinou i7-6650U has better IGP, and can turbo to 3.4 GHz
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19:31 hoodedice i5 on laptops IIRC are 2c/4t like desktop i3s
19:31 Calinou results in about +20% peformance compared to an i5
19:31 hoodedice hmm, but I would expect that to be a $800 or more laptop
19:31 hoodedice then again, you seem to have the funds for it
19:31 Calinou more like $1,300+
19:32 Calinou yes, the region gives a help for students for purchasing a laptop in 2nd or 3rd year of uni :)
19:32 hoodedice you should also look at amd's offerings, I've heard that bristol ridge isn't too terrible
19:32 Calinou €200-€400 depending on revenue
19:32 hoodedice nice
19:32 Calinou no high-end laptops use AMD...
19:33 hoodedice only hp really does AMD and then again, you have to look at their memory configs (APUs NEED dual channel and HP has a history of keeping them single channel and un-upgradable)
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20:03 Fixer if you are not into mobile, buy good desktop
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20:04 Calinou no choice here, Fixer
20:04 Calinou also, I already have a good desktop :P
20:05 Emperor_Genshin which kind is it? :3
20:05 Calinou Emperor_Genshin: self-built
20:05 Emperor_Genshin nice
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20:23 Emperor_Genshin Working on a Tank model, here is a image of it,hope you guys like it! Link to Video: https://vimeo.com/192179093
20:23 Emperor_Genshin Password is: TanksAreAwesome
20:28 Brikooba Emperor_Genshin: Mostly nice.  A detractor is that you have the entire cabin, where the driver/operator is, jolt back upon recoil of the guns.  He's going to suffer on every shot.
20:30 Brikooba Also the rotation point on the canons/guns combined with the fact that it rectracts doesn't make sense.
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20:30 Brikooba Emperor_Genshin: Also the rotation point on the canons/guns combined with the fact that it rectracts doesn't make sense.
20:31 Brikooba The hinge is at the front, but it retracts more than the height of the disc it is attached to.  When it is at an angle, it would travel between sections of the tank.
20:32 Emperor_Genshin Brikooba Brikooba
20:32 Emperor_Genshin Brikooba Yeah i'm thinking of re-positioning the driver someplace else lol, I'll work on the shooting animation in just a bit after i'm done texturing it. :)
20:32 Emperor_Genshin oops lol
20:32 Emperor_Genshin XD
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20:33 Brikooba That's the kind of reason you ask in this channel, I guess.
20:34 Brikooba Style it has.  The spikes look as if they would be against smaller vehicles and people.
20:34 Emperor_Genshin Welp I'm just asking so I can Improve it, critiques helps me quite a lot honestly lol.
20:35 Emperor_Genshin I really want to make it more detailed however im trying my best to keep it a bit voxel-like for minetest.
20:35 namespace Question: If an items texture doesn't render correctly on a server, all server media comes from the server and I don't have to worry about client side issues right?
20:37 Emperor_Genshin It's not really a big deal but it's best if the items texture renders correctly.
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20:56 Brikooba Where is a node registered in a group?
20:57 Brikooba -- such as 'group:wood' ?
20:58 asl97 Brikooba: did you mean when?  it's when it has the wood group.
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20:59 Brikooba No, I meant where is the code located?
21:00 Brikooba I didn't find the answer to that, but I found the information I needed for my current task.  :  there exists a 'group:tree' , which is what I needed.
21:00 asl97 Brikooba: https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game​/blob/master/mods/default/nodes.lua#L515
21:01 asl97 my answer still answer your question
21:03 asl97 more or less
21:03 Brikooba asl97: Thank you.  The first I already knew. I was looking for the second.
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21:10 Brikooba It seems that the only minetest_game cooking recipe to use 'cooktime' is bread.
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21:57 IhrFussel Another Android bug: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4792
22:01 Brikooba Is there a way to climb the underside of a concave surface?  can I climb up and then climb across the ceiling?  I tried it with vine rope, and it failed.
22:01 Brikooba -- at least how i did it.
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22:03 Brikooba I suppose it is impossible to climb only on something above. You need to dig or build something on the side.  Or perhaps there is another tool.
22:04 agaran I think you can't climb/hang from ceiling..
22:05 LightBugs try ladders?
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22:59 MinetestBot [git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetestmapper: Code style & comments 0167a72 https://git.io/vXdQB (2016-11-18T23:57:09+01:00)
22:59 MinetestBot [git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetestmapper: Move everything that deals with images directly to an Image class a41d231 https://git.io/vXdQR (2016-11-18T23:34:31+01:00)
22:59 MinetestBot [git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetestmapper: Allow rendering (or omitting) scales at every image edge 77fdcd1 https://git.io/vXdQ0 (2016-11-18T22:01:15+01:00)
23:01 MinetestBot [git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetestmapper: Fix travis 02e40d2 https://git.io/vXdQ1 (2016-11-19T00:01:27+01:00)
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23:24 IhrFussel Does logcat only work on Android when rooted? I'm guessing yes
23:32 sfan5 IhrFussel: no, logcat doesnt require root
23:35 IhrFussel sfan5, it just told me "LogCat requires root privs to read system logs, without root you'll only be able to see LogCat's own logs" :/
23:35 sfan5 logcat is *NOT* an app
23:35 sfan5 whatever is saying that, it's not the right one
23:36 IhrFussel Where are the system logs located then?
23:37 sfan5 you need the android developer tools on your pc
23:37 sfan5 to use logcat
23:39 IhrFussel sfan5, you mean I have to emulate Android on my PC?
23:39 est31 no
23:40 est31 the emulator is only a part of the developer tools
23:40 est31 logcat is another one, and the two parts can be used separately
23:40 est31 what you do need to have is an adb connection though
23:41 est31 it can be either through usb or the network (i recommend usb as network is not as fast and stable)
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23:41 est31 plus you need to enable developer mode on the phone to be able to bring it into adb client mode
23:42 est31 logcat can be accessed solely on the phone too if you want to
23:42 est31 ttps://play.google.com/store/apps/​details?id=com.nolanlawson.logcat
23:42 est31 https://play.google.com/store/apps​/details?id=com.nolanlawson.logcat
23:42 sfan5 however that exact app might need root to do that
23:43 est31 https://f-droid.org/repository/br​owse/?fdid=com.nolanlawson.logcat
23:43 est31 yeah
23:43 est31 it does
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