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00:36 LevierMRQ D'où ça sort, le kalite?  J'ai cherché dans toutes les langues.  Aucune idée de ce que c'est.  L'idée, c'était d'écrire un mod afin d'en utiliser davantage.  Je ne sais plus où stocker ça.
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00:56 Persi[m] LevierMRQ: I'm not sure if I understand your question, but if your server has the appropriate mod you should be able to find it in stone blocks
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01:43 OldCoder "Hence it comes out, the untranslatable? I searched in all languages. No idea what it is. The idea was to write a mod to use more. I do not know where to store it."
01:43 OldCoder Hm
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13:47 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Default: Remove unnecessary leaf 'visual scale' 02a82c9 https://git.io/vXLmR (2016-10-29T14:44:00+01:00)
13:47 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Default: Remove 'player falling damage' sound 89b9c3e https://git.io/vXLm0 (2016-10-29T14:42:47+01:00)
14:00 PureTryOut[m] is there anyway to make sure my mod is the last one to be loaded?
14:01 red-001 no
14:01 PureTryOut[m] darn
14:01 red-001 why?
14:02 red-001 you could use minetest.after if it doesn't need to register new nodes,texture,etc
14:02 PureTryOut[m] is that reliable?
14:03 PureTryOut[m] hmm maybe I know a workaround which will do the job...
14:03 red-001 what are you trying to do?
14:03 PureTryOut[m] well I'm checking every registered item for a certain parameter, and if so, put them in a new list
14:04 PureTryOut[m] however, right now I'm doing that every time the function is run, which is overkill
14:04 PureTryOut[m] s/run/ran
14:04 PureTryOut[m] but I'm just going to implement a workaround using minetest.after which'll do the job as well
14:10 PureTryOut[m] or maybe not, it's pretty quick anyway...
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16:07 whitephoenix I released a mod for once https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=9&t=15794
16:10 lumidify Hi everyone, I've heard that catch_up in ABMs is buggy. What is the reason for this?
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16:17 Fixer buggy?
16:17 Fixer i don't think so
16:17 Fixer just use it wisely
16:19 lumidify So what exactly *does* it do?
16:21 red-001 whats the diffrence between mit and cc0 ?
16:23 whitephoenix mit is for code, cc0 is for assets
16:23 whitephoenix same concept pretty much though
16:23 Krock http://tldrlegal.com/
16:23 Krock best site for such questions
16:24 lumidify Or, what is the reason for disabling catch_up by default? Doesn't it make more sense if the abms catch up with time when the map chunk is loaded again?
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16:27 lumidify Oh, is the reason to prevent processing spikes?
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16:43 PureTryOut[m] +1 for tldrlegal, pretty awesome site
16:44 PureTryOut[m] whitephoenix: awesome job! does it need a torch to light it up, or can you craft it without it?
16:45 PureTryOut[m] never mind just saw it on your site ;)
16:45 PureTryOut[m] ooh can you not let the pumpkin generate whitephoenix?
17:00 PureTryOut[m] sfan5: did you completely forget about that Lua mapgen mod and did I let you remember by asking for it? :p no commits since the 13th of March and now 5 commits of you
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17:37 MacSimski Hi All
17:37 whitephoenix PureTryOut[m], oh yeah I could add generation/plants maybe idk
17:38 PureTryOut[m] would be cool, as crafting it with wool is kind of strange :p
17:38 whitephoenix btw you're murdering my github notifications
17:38 PureTryOut[m] I'm sorry :(
17:38 MacSimski using Unified_invetory here: how do i use waypoints? google=no help
17:38 whitephoenix I'll probably do some minefix stuff in a bit when I finish some math
17:39 PureTryOut[m] cool :D
17:39 PureTryOut[m] did a lot of stuff today
17:39 PureTryOut[m] well and yesterday
17:39 PureTryOut[m] btw, I noticed you need the latest git version of Minetest to run it
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17:42 Krock MacSimski, did you install the mod "datastorage" too?
17:43 Krock even google won't find the answers for a mod-specific problem :P
17:54 MacSimski Krock: dunno. i can set waypoints, bu i have no idea how to use them
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17:55 Krock uh. never used them either
18:02 MacSimski I thought i could use them to teleport, but ala
18:02 MacSimski s
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18:35 sfan5 PureTryOut[m]: forgot... hm well projects often go unmaintained after they are "complete"
18:36 sfan5 but i felt like fixing a few things
18:36 PureTryOut[m] aah, well good :D
18:36 fireglow like lighttpd :D
18:36 PureTryOut[m] lol burn
18:37 fireglow no, in all honestly, I think it's a great project but at some point it's just time to stop fiddling
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19:23 fireglow just heard a nice comment on a server running technic: "the server crashes twice daily at the max"
19:24 red-001 lol
19:28 Calinou big mods are not notorious for their stability :/
19:28 Calinou fireglow: Caddy pretty much supersedes lighttpd
19:28 Calinou https://caddyserver.com/
19:29 Calinou written in Go, has HTTP/2 and all
19:29 Calinou can do PHP using php-fpm
19:30 fireglow mhm
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19:31 sfan5 >written go
19:31 sfan5 why not rust
19:31 sfan5 </hackernews comments>
19:32 Krock </chat actvity>
19:32 whitephoenix b-b-but my concurrency
19:32 Shiftus What did I miss?
19:32 Calinou I read "b-b-but my cryptocurrency"
19:32 whitephoenix if (err != nil) { return err} x 100
19:33 sfan5 ^ well you have the same problem in C
19:34 Krock I read "butt my currency"
19:34 fireglow buttcoins?
19:34 Krock just kidding :P
19:34 Calinou that would be cloudcoins
19:35 fireglow not if you have cloud to butt installed
19:35 Krock a cloud to butt converter?
19:35 whitephoenix https://i.imgur.com/1qJoXJ4.png
19:35 Krock error in line 1: Do not C
19:36 Krock Error in line N/A: Don't use Word
19:36 * Fixer .oO(MAKE A MOOOOVE)
19:36 Krock \o/ Fixer
19:37 Krock whitephoenix, maybe relevant: https://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/helloworld.html
19:37 whitephoenix always make main have void return type to save one memory bit on the return value
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19:38 Krock It's supposed to return a integer to see if it failed or not
19:39 whitephoenix / Check if x is true if(x == true) { return true; }
19:40 whitephoenix I spend too much time on /r/shittyprogramming
19:41 sfan5 whitephoenix: you need to check twice to make sure it's really true
19:41 sfan5 if(x == true && x != false) { return true; }
19:41 whitephoenix oh right thanks]
19:41 fireglow that's a nice screenshot, whitephoenix
19:41 sfan5 !btc EUR
19:41 MinetestBot 1 BTC = 648.4100 €
19:42 Krock don't forget if true is true
19:42 Krock if(x == true && x != false && true != false) { return true; }
19:42 whitephoenix #define true false
19:42 whitephoenix trust no one
19:42 Krock doubt that would work
19:43 Krock in plain C, yes. Because they don't have bools (true, false) there yet
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19:50 Guest11387 how to i change my nickname back to PinkCat
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19:52 PinkKitty hi
19:53 PinkKitty Hi everyone im new to IRC
19:55 BrandonReese hi
19:55 sfan5 hi
19:56 PinkKitty so whats IRC about
19:56 garywhite Hi BrandonReese, sfan5, welcome PinkKitty
19:56 PinkKitty my ingame name is PinkCat
19:57 Persi[m] PinkKitty: irc is about reading and writing text messages, you read other people's messages and respond by writing your own
19:58 PinkKitty ah cool
19:58 fireglow it's multiplayer textedit
19:59 PinkKitty does it show in minetest servers
20:00 sfan5 minetest and irc can be linked
20:00 sfan5 it is done for some servers
20:00 PinkKitty anyone reccomand any texture packs?
20:00 fireglow I like summerfields
20:02 fireglow https://github.com/SummerFields/Minetest
20:02 PinkKitty cool
20:02 PinkKitty i like one thats called plasticcraft
20:03 PinkKitty and i recently got a halloween one
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20:17 PinkKitty So anyone now how to use github?
20:19 red-001 https://help.github.com/ ?
20:24 fireglow PinkKitty: if you just want to download the texturepack, kick the green button "Clone or download" and then "Download ZIP"
20:24 PinkKitty no fireglow i wanna make a mod on it
20:24 red-001 what os do you use?
20:24 Krock then learn how to use Git.
20:25 Krock there are youtube videos
20:25 red-001 It might be easier to use a GUI
20:26 Persi[m] PinkKitty: there's nothing to it really, you can just create a new git repository and set github.com as the origin, you don't even need to care that it's on github
20:27 sfan5 usually it's easiest to just write your mod and upload it to github when it's finished
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20:29 PinkKitty Is it to do with computer programming? I can't really do math and computer programmingg needs math
20:29 Krock if it's just a texture pack you might try the github file uploader
20:29 Krock but you've got bad luck when trying to write a mod without maths knowledge
20:29 sfan5 you can't make a mod without programming
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20:31 rater193 hello
20:31 rater193 is there any minetest teamspeak communities i can join?
20:31 rater193 *are there any
20:32 Krock I'm not aware of any
20:32 sfan5 ^ same
20:32 rater193 im tempted to start one XD
20:32 Krock IRC is fine for almost all purposes, to ask the people here if neeed
20:32 Krock *needed
20:32 rater193 anyways, im trying to find a minetest server who needs a programmer
20:33 rater193 *that needs a programmer
20:33 rater193 so many typos >_<
20:33 Krock yeah, the monster seems to be around tonight again
20:33 rater193 anyways, trying to find one, and havnt found any yet
20:34 rater193 you know what, thats what im going to do
20:34 Krock and you most likely won't find any. Most server owners I know are programmers (in a limited way) too
20:34 rater193 ill just start my community :P
20:34 Krock > 2017
20:35 Krock > 1 member online
20:35 Krock but well, good luck with it
20:35 rater193 anyways, im going back to developing my mod
20:35 rater193 and ty for the help
20:36 Krock !next
20:36 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next!
20:36 rater193 lol
20:40 PinkKitty Can I connect IRC to my server?
20:41 garywhite Do you guys know of a Linux distro that is smaller than 4GB and still works with MT? (NOTE: I tried Debian, it takes up about 5.8GB on my VMWare VM)
20:41 PureTryOut[m] PinkKitty: yes https://github.com/minetest-mods/irc
20:41 PinkKitty i cant put mods on my server though
20:41 Krock then no.
20:42 PureTryOut[m] then no indeed
20:42 fireglow absolutely no
20:43 garywhite PinkKitty: Are you using minetesthosting.com?
20:43 PinkKitty yes i a gary
20:44 PinkKitty am i ment
20:44 whitephoenix garywhite, pretty much anything should work, maybe try alpine though
20:44 garywhite Yeah, the free plan does not allow mod installation PinkKitty. Sorry
20:44 PinkKitty yeah
20:44 sfan5 garywhite: the server install of debian takes up less than 1 GB even
20:45 garywhite Yeah but I need something with a GUI
20:47 garywhite Does Alpine have a GUI from the start?
20:48 PureTryOut[m] don't think so
20:48 CWz minetesthosting.com's freeplan is joke
20:48 PureTryOut[m] you probably shouldn't use Alpine for a regular pc anyway
20:49 garywhite Any other suggestions then?
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20:52 KaadmY garywhite: a couple days ago i tried debian's live install, that wasn't more than 3GB after installing
20:52 KaadmY right now i'm using arch linux for the first time, and liking it
20:53 sfan5 instead of arch try manjaro
20:54 sfan5 it comes with a gui afaik
20:55 PinkKitty anyone know any other website but mineteshosting where i can make server?
20:56 PinkKitty What servers have IRC??
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21:04 AcidNinjaFWHR hmmm it could actually be great to have a docker image based on Alpine to run minetest servers
21:04 AcidNinjaFWHR Are you working on that garywhite ?
21:07 EpilepticPicture sfan5: worldedit works on newest git?
21:11 garywhite ?
21:12 sfan5 EpilepticPicture: of course it does
21:13 red-001 PinkKitty minetesthosting.com is the only one the offers free servers
21:13 EpilepticPicture sfan5: i had strange warning about index smth about global worldedit, I will recheck again later
21:13 sfan5 those warnings usually don't mean that it will break
21:13 EpilepticPicture maybe old version
21:13 EpilepticPicture sfan5: server does not start because of it
21:14 sfan5 pastebin error plks
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21:14 sfan5 *pls
21:15 EpilepticPicture sfan5: maybe i fucked up smth, pastebin: http://pastebin.com/raw/GDHm1A8y / i didn't looked into problem, i needed to check world fast itself
21:15 EpilepticPicture just deleted worldedit and proceeded
21:15 sfan5 eh try enabling the whole modpack
21:16 sfan5 also it looks like some stuff is missing
21:16 EpilepticPicture i see that it missed some parts, yes. But i think it worked earlier
21:16 EpilepticPicture strange
21:16 EpilepticPicture oh well
21:16 EpilepticPicture it will work as full modpack for sure
21:19 Krock !seen jeija
21:19 MinetestBot Krock: jeija was last seen at 2016-10-10 07:47:56 UTC on #minetest
21:19 fireglow :o
21:19 Krock !tell jeija http://i.imgur.com/BeqOyga.jpg <-- rebuild challenge accepted?  (not an image of mine)
21:19 MinetestBot Krock: I'll pass that on when jeija is around
21:19 Krock <3 MinetestBot
21:19 MinetestBot <3 Krock
21:20 sfan5 Krock: that surely is a full cpu right
21:20 fireglow you have a lot of breadboards and wires, I have a cat
21:20 fireglow let us see who wins
21:20 EpilepticPicture i have rocks
21:21 EpilepticPicture >_>
21:21 EpilepticPicture i win
21:21 fireglow you wouldn't!
21:21 fireglow the cat just wants to play
21:21 Krock looks like lots of NAND gates connected together
21:21 EpilepticPicture Krock: defuse it!
21:21 Krock fireglow, I have the method to get cat images instantly
21:22 Krock !cat
21:22 MinetestBot http://i.imgur.com/F1JBD2m.jpg
21:22 fireglow haha
21:22 sfan5 !cat
21:22 MinetestBot http://i.imgur.com/iEyDY2z.jpg
21:22 sfan5 !cat
21:22 MinetestBot http://i.imgur.com/f6q50SJ.jpg
21:22 Krock pls. there's #minetestbot for this  :P
21:23 fireglow https://fireglow.de/755/share/asshole_cat.mp4
21:23 Krock It's a lovely command btw
21:23 sfan5 !cat
21:23 MinetestBot http://i.imgur.com/qYdPjox.jpg
21:24 Krock fireglow, no, just no.
21:25 fireglow haha :D
21:26 * garywhite is trying Gentoo to see if that'll run in Virtual PC 2007
21:26 fireglow https://fireglow.de/755/share/redpoint.jpg
21:27 sfan5 !cat
21:27 MinetestBot http://i.imgur.com/MSLjnAw.jpg
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21:29 Krock fireglow, best autoindex ever seen on your website
21:30 EpilepticPicture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glfsMDAZIhc are you ready?
21:30 Krock https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ are you ready?
21:31 sfan5 !title
21:31 MinetestBot sfan5: Rick Astley - Never Gonna Give You Up - YouTube
21:31 Krock you gotta remember the youtube links that end with 'Q' :P
21:33 fireglow Krock: yep it's nice
21:33 EpilepticPicture part fish - part girl...
21:35 Calinou Minetest AppImage successfully built :)
21:36 whitephoenix https://endlessm.com/ this bloated af distro has minetest by default
21:36 Markow Cool, an AppImage!
21:36 sfan5 do they at least have the newest version?
21:36 whitephoenix probably not
21:37 whitephoenix one of these days I'll probably just bite the bullet and install gentoo
21:37 red-001 !title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glfsMDAZIhc
21:37 MinetestBot red-001: Silver Richards - Ocean Breeze - YouTube
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21:40 Wuzzy Is it safe to add custom fields to node definitions?
21:40 Wuzzy E.g. minetest.register_node("example:bla", {custom=1, lol="rofl", haha=true})
21:40 Calinou https://archive.hugo.pro/minetest/
21:40 Calinou I need some testers
21:41 Calinou the AppImage has been built on Ubuntu 12.04, so it should work on any distro that's as recent
21:41 Wuzzy in order to later read the values via minetest.registered_nodes["example:bla"].custom
21:42 Krock woo, Calinou goes fancy
21:46 EpilepticPicture hiiiipsteers
21:46 EpilepticPicture true linux users compile from source
21:47 Wuzzy or use package managers when they're lazy :P
21:48 EpilepticPicture package managers probably have minetest_0.2.2011_i386 version available
21:48 EpilepticPicture bleeding edge one
21:48 Calinou Wuzzy: package managers are not exactly suited for games, it has shown
21:48 Calinou specifically multiplayer ones
21:48 Calinou hence direct distribution from the software developer :)
21:48 Calinou providing a PPA, a Copr, an AUR package, is a lot of work
21:48 EpilepticPicture devs are laazy
21:49 Calinou I built this AppImage in like 1h30
21:49 EpilepticPicture those hipsters asking too much
21:49 Calinou everything included
21:49 Calinou and now it's automated, I just need to git pull, make -j4 && make install, then ./generate_appimages.sh
21:49 Wuzzy Calinou: https://xkcd.com/1742/
21:49 EpilepticPicture Calinou: can you automate it for git builds and even build DEBUG ones?
21:49 Calinou it has been tested on Ubuntu 16.10, Fedora 24, Debian 8
21:49 Calinou EpilepticPicture: it's a Git build, but I can't automatically upload it, my PC is not up 24/7
21:50 Calinou building a debug build is possible, but I don't really see why do it
21:51 Wuzzy Calinou: Also, why? Package managers seem to work just fine for Minetest. It's not that every week there's a release..
21:52 EpilepticPicture for testers, so you can send them use it for better crash report ._.
21:52 EpilepticPicture some more vaporwave: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MqeFBAj4TA
21:52 EpilepticPicture Wuzzy: still it can be pretty rough for some distros like debian
21:52 Calinou testers generally are able to build such a small program that is Minetest
21:52 Calinou (it's not Chromium…)
21:52 Calinou Wuzzy: package managers will never feature the Git version :)
21:52 Calinou also, what if you're running a LTS distro? then you're stuck with whatever Minetest was released in April 2016/2014/2012
21:52 EpilepticPicture while newest can be 0.4.15, debian can have 0.4.13
21:53 Wuzzy That's just Debian sucking at outdated packages :-(
21:53 Wuzzy OK, if you want bleeding edge, there is no way around compiling, true.
21:54 EpilepticPicture Calinou: nevermind, there is already debug symbols available in PPA
21:54 EpilepticPicture Wuzzy: debian BLOWS at outdated packages
21:54 EpilepticPicture some software in it can be ancient
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21:55 Wuzzy I think we shoud advice every GNU/Linux newbie to AVOID Debian/Ubuntu/etc.
21:55 EpilepticPicture no
21:55 Calinou I *am* on Ubuntu because I found out it's the most usable desktop distro
21:55 Wuzzy because all the supposed “usability” of Ubuntu is destroyed by outdated packages :-(
21:55 Calinou Fedora ships with bare Xfce, so does Debian, Antergos and so on. it's hardly usable because the defaults aren't really sane
21:55 EpilepticPicture debian and ubuntu is fine, and with flatpak/appimage LTS distros will have a feature everybody wanted
21:55 Calinou overall, non-Ubuntu distros tend to be buggier for desktop usage in my experience, too
21:56 Calinou as I'm an enthusiast, I use the latest Ubuntu release (non-LTS), but the AppImage initiative is great at making LTS distros more usable for desktop users
21:56 Calinou moreover, note that Steam games can run on old distros too, so why not open source games?
21:56 Wuzzy Calinou: I would hardly consider you a newbie... :P
21:57 Calinou Fedora is quite good at keeping packages up-to-date, and remains relatively stable, that's a plus though
21:57 Wuzzy If I would have known that Ubuntu would be so awful with outdated software, I might have used a different distro.
21:57 Calinou PPAs come to the rescue, if you need to upgrade system components :P
21:58 Wuzzy Have fun finding all the important PPAs, then.
21:58 Wuzzy XD
21:59 Wuzzy I don't think Flatpak/AppImage is the real solution. It might have is uses but the big problem I see is that it basically subverts the entire software package manager architecture.
21:59 EpilepticPicture at least it is not like in windows
21:59 EpilepticPicture which is not only mess but minefield
21:59 EpilepticPicture full of shit and adware or even malware
21:59 Wuzzy Well, with Flatpak/AppImage we might just get a Windows-like situation back because this architecture also kills package maintainers
22:00 Wuzzy as far I understand, AppImage/Flatpak are always self-published, and this is an issue
22:00 EpilepticPicture Wuzzy: not neccessary
22:00 EpilepticPicture Wuzzy: they publish flatpack and source, distro maintainers just take source and build
22:01 Wuzzy ok, which distro uses AppImage or Flatpak natively?
22:01 EpilepticPicture fedora?
22:01 EpilepticPicture you mean has support?
22:02 Wuzzy i mean as format for the actual software packages for its package manager
22:02 Wuzzy not just support for import/export/etc
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22:03 EpilepticPicture i don't know any
22:03 EpilepticPicture wait
22:03 EpilepticPicture maybe flatpak/appimage itself provides kind of package manager
22:03 EpilepticPicture reading
22:03 Wuzzy I think package managers are still a good thing because you can be relatively sure you won't get malware here because of the checks and balances. While with self-published packages, its easy to get garbage.
22:04 Wuzzy I am looking forward for the first AppImage'd or Flatpak'd malware. :-)
22:04 EpilepticPicture Wuzzy: flatpak has package manager capability
22:04 EpilepticPicture Wuzzy: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Flatpak
22:04 EpilepticPicture List installed runtimes and applications: $ flatpak list
22:04 EpilepticPicture $ flatpak update name
22:04 EpilepticPicture $ flatpak uninstall name
22:04 EpilepticPicture $ flatpak install remote name
22:04 Wuzzy hmm, its not really about Flatpak or AppImage, more about circumventing the maintainers
22:04 EpilepticPicture should be easy and simple
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22:05 EpilepticPicture maintainers will still build
22:05 PureTryOut[m] why are `fast` and `fly` part of the core? shouldn't they be in the `creative` mod or something?
22:05 Wuzzy No. Please don't.
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22:05 Wuzzy I guess fly is a client-sided thing, it cant be done in a mod
22:06 Wuzzy and fast... well it's just for convenience I guess?
22:06 Wuzzy Also, if it is part of core ALL subgames equally benefit from it. I think thats a plus
22:06 PureTryOut[m] well a subgame could just implement that mod if it wanted too
22:06 Wuzzy putting it in creative would limit its usage ONLY to Minetest Game, which would suck
22:06 PureTryOut[m] ofc not, games can just copy the creative mod
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22:07 Wuzzy I don't really know why it has been done, ask #minetest-dev
22:07 Wuzzy But I am in favor of it being a core thing
22:07 PureTryOut[m] I'm not, fly should be a creative thing imo ;)
22:08 Wuzzy Yes, games can just copy it, but this creates redundancy.
22:08 Wuzzy Also, fly and fast are privileges, you rarely have them by default on multiplayer.
22:08 Wuzzy I am not sure but I guess fast is also a client thing mostly. it would not be possible or inefficient to do it server-side
22:09 Wuzzy Fly would be too awkward to implement in a mod, I guess.
22:09 PureTryOut[m] I find it strange everything is server side only anyway lol
22:09 PureTryOut[m] that limits some stuff you can do
22:09 PureTryOut[m] like movement
22:09 Wuzzy Not true.
22:09 Wuzzy There are plenty of things which are client-sided
22:09 Wuzzy Ask #minetest-dev
22:10 PureTryOut[m] maybe tomorrow, off for tonight
22:11 Wuzzy Is it safe to add custom fields to node definitions?
22:11 Calinou both AppImages and Flatpaks can be sandboxed
22:12 Calinou (AppImage uses Firejail if installed, Flatpak uses systemd cgroups)
22:12 PureTryOut[m] Wuzzy: I did that, noticed no problems yet ;)
22:12 EpilepticPicture Calinou: which is nice btw, but has problems i don't remember
22:12 Wuzzy where did you do it?
22:14 EpilepticPicture time to do something crazy
22:14 EpilepticPicture will take my water city world, and worledit all water below from 0 to 32 to solid ground and compare performance
22:14 EpilepticPicture j4f
22:15 EpilepticPicture and it will crash for sure
22:17 Wuzzy I wonder what will happen if you generate a flat world only made out of TNT, then ignite it... :D
22:18 EpilepticPicture ha
22:19 EpilepticPicture so i did my experiment
22:19 EpilepticPicture and hoooly shiiit
22:19 EpilepticPicture verticed drawn decreased by half
22:19 EpilepticPicture fps shoots up a lot
22:19 EpilepticPicture to 80
22:20 EpilepticPicture thats the lesson for you
22:20 EpilepticPicture don't make your city over water
22:20 EpilepticPicture and protect ground below
22:20 EpilepticPicture at least to -33 or somewhere near second chunk border
22:20 EpilepticPicture devs know better
22:20 sfan5 Wuzzy: probably all tnt in the loaded areas will (try to) explode at once
22:20 sfan5 causing a stack overflow error in lua
22:22 EpilepticPicture they will not
22:22 EpilepticPicture there will be chain reaction
22:22 EpilepticPicture pretty creepy one
22:22 EpilepticPicture you better do it without luajit
22:24 Wuzzy https://i.imgur.com/6mPY34D.png
22:24 Wuzzy https://i.imgur.com/E50hSn5.png
22:24 Wuzzy Boom!
22:24 Wuzzy Okay, first, I die a lot. XD
22:24 EpilepticPicture sfan5: you said chunk on foot level goes from 0 to -15 ? or from -1 to -16?
22:24 EpilepticPicture Wuzzy: tnt instead of soil?
22:25 Wuzzy yes
22:25 EpilepticPicture i hope there will be no Lua OOM
22:25 Wuzzy Hmm, maybe I should only change dirt to TNT and not stone, too. XD
22:26 Wuzzy Minetest becomes really slow after the first explosions
22:26 EpilepticPicture erm, if you changed stone - much worse
22:26 Wuzzy :D
22:26 Wuzzy I wonder if it would be possible to tweak Minetest Game that even extreme cases like this can be handled in an efficient manner.
22:26 Wuzzy but i guess some tricks need to be done
22:27 Wuzzy i guess if for every node minetest.remove_node is called this will be serious trouble
22:30 EpilepticPicture so, my results of just test testing, i've changed everything below me to stone and get fps boost from 78 to 112 fps.
22:30 EpilepticPicture all that crap, tunnels, bones, water, torches was replaced
22:31 EpilepticPicture +40% boost
22:31 EpilepticPicture which is nice
22:31 EpilepticPicture halved number of vertices
22:31 EpilepticPicture just test is prime example of spawn made wrong
22:31 EpilepticPicture totally wrong
22:32 EpilepticPicture not only there was tons of water with deep shit rendering but also tons of chests
22:32 EpilepticPicture i hope kids don't read this irc channel >_V
22:33 EpilepticPicture used shit and crap too much
22:33 EpilepticPicture was impressed with rendering of that much unneded stuff
22:33 EpilepticPicture unneeded
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22:40 Jacob_Lavoie I have minetest installed as a server on archlinux, my config is located in /srv/minetest, my world is located in /srv/minetest/world. I am trying to install worldedit, i have tried multiple times, folder names, enabling from world.mt
22:40 Jacob_Lavoie i can not figure out why it is not working...
22:40 EpilepticPicture what it says?
22:40 EpilepticPicture any errors?
22:40 Jacob_Lavoie nothing in debug.txt
22:41 EpilepticPicture try placing it /world/worldmods/worledit
22:41 EpilepticPicture it into*
22:41 Jacob_Lavoie eg /srv/minetest/world/worldmods/worldedit?
22:42 Jacob_Lavoie as opposed to /srv/minetest/mods or /srv/minetest/world/mods
22:44 EpilepticPicture wait
22:44 EpilepticPicture you can try /srv/minetest/world/worldmods/worldedit or /srv/minetest/world/mods/worldedit for sure
22:44 EpilepticPicture wait
22:45 EpilepticPicture /srv/minetest/worlds/yourworld/worldmods/worldedit or /srv/minetest/world/mods/worldedit %)
22:45 EpilepticPicture my guess
22:45 EpilepticPicture /srv/minetest/worlds/yourworld/worldmods/worldedit or /srv/minetest/mods/worldedit %) final fix
22:50 Jacob_Lavoie i set the logging to info and i am seeing worldedit referenced now
22:51 Jacob_Lavoie i mv'ed /world/mods to /world/worldmods
22:51 Jacob_Lavoie worldmods worked
22:52 Jacob_Lavoie @EpilepticPicture, +1 thank you
22:55 Jacob_Lavoie Now to learn how to use worldedit!
22:55 EpilepticPicture it has a gui
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23:19 sfan5 EpilepticPicture: -1 to -15 (both inclusive)
23:31 EpilepticPicture ty
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