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00:44 milesdyson trying to contact DonBatman if any one can email him or pass on a message that would be way cool !!!!
00:46 Hijiri milesdyson: it looks like he's on irc, in this channel
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00:48 milesdyson i can see his name in the list, how can i move to that chanel if possible
00:48 milesdyson not very irc savy sorry
00:49 Hijiri you're in the channel
00:49 Hijiri #minetest
00:49 Hijiri DonBatman is here too
00:50 milesdyson ok hmmm maybe he dont want botherd, bin long time since we worked together
00:52 Hijiri you could pm him or send him a message on the forums
00:52 Hijiri probably most people in the channel are not actively looking at the chat
00:52 Hijiri it's common to stay in channels you are interested in even when you are not trying to chat on there
00:53 milesdyson i pm'd him a few times each day for a few days lol not registered on the forum any more
00:53 milesdyson ya i understand
00:53 milesdyson if you see him could you let him know i was looking for him plz
00:54 Hijiri I think there is a bot that will do that
00:54 Hijiri !tell Hijiri test
00:54 MinetestBot You can tell that to yourself
00:54 milesdyson cool i will try now thanks
00:55 milesdyson !tell DonBatman cant get ahold of you any more lost your emal...
00:55 MinetestBot milesdyson: I'll pass that on when DonBatman is around
00:55 milesdyson nice i think that worked
00:55 milesdyson thanks for the help Hijiri
00:56 Hijiri np
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03:59 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Fire: Add flint and steel sound f7325d2 https://git.io/vPNRB (2016-10-24T04:55:08+01:00)
03:59 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Default: Add damage and falling damage sounds 9b62d8a https://git.io/vPNRR (2016-10-24T04:55:03+01:00)
05:08 garywhite Good night
05:10 * garywhite wanders off to bed
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06:08 wilkgr HI LazyJ
06:08 LazyJ Howdy wilkgr ;)
06:09 wilkgr Note to self: Always say "G'day" to LazyJ
06:09 wilkgr xD
06:19 cheapie Up to 43 LTC-4000 based traffic lights so far, that I know of anyway.
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06:20 cheapie 37 MineDOT-owned on VE-Creative, 3 MineDOT-maintained on VE-Creative, 1 Bulldog TC-owned on VE-Creative, and 2 of somewhat unknown ownership on VE-Building.
06:20 wilkgr o.O
06:21 cheapie So, I suppose that saying "43 installations" is a bit less impressive when I built 42 of those lights...
06:23 wilkgr rofl
06:23 wilkgr Who built the other one?
06:23 cheapie Bulldog TC (a company owned by bulldog1).
06:24 cheapie Most of his lights (he has 10 or so) are using some of my older controllers, mostly TrafficNeXt 4.
06:24 cheapie He used to have one TrafficNeXt 5 installation, but that's the one that ended up getting upgraded to an LTC-4000.
06:25 cheapie Here's the "product page" for it: https://cheapiesystems.com/?page_id=145
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06:44 MinetestBot [git] lhofhansl -> minetest/minetest: Shaders: Harmonize Irrlicht and shader fog calculations 779d2c5 https://git.io/vPNae (2016-10-24T07:41:00+01:00)
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10:49 red-001 waterReflowLives ?
10:49 red-001 ^ Fixer ?
10:49 red-001 is there a new pr for that?
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11:17 jdi-379 hi, where do I get all the recipes to download? I'm not going to have internet
11:17 jdi-379 can I check all the possible items and recipes in game?
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11:30 red-001 you can install a mod that adds a craft guide
11:30 red-001 Not sure which one is the best choice right now
11:31 red-001 https://www.google.ie/search?q=sit​e%3Aforum.minetest.net+craft+guide
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11:49 LNJ2GO jdi-379: I can suggest this one: https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=11&t=14088
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12:04 Fixer jp crafting guide
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12:18 lsab hi everyone
12:19 lsab is there any transport mod (cars, trucks ...)?
12:19 Buttatoes yes
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12:22 lsab Buttatoes: your aswer is to me?
12:22 Buttatoes yes
12:22 Buttatoes http://wiki.minetest.net/Mods:Vehicles
12:22 Buttatoes sorry lsab I was looking up link
12:23 lsab Buttatoes: thanks, I'l try
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13:11 lsab hi everyone, I had installed this vehicles mod https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=9&t=15610. And I found errors to try planes
13:21 sfan5 lsab: well what's the error?
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13:32 lsab sfan5: 2016-10-24 11:31:35: ERROR[Main]: ServerError: Lua: Runtime error from mod 'vehicles' in callback luaentity_Step(): /home/luiz/.minetest/mods/vehicles/api.lua:391: attempt to call global 'set_animation' (a nil value)
13:32 sfan5 minetest version?
13:32 lsab sfan5: 2016-10-24 11:31:35: ERROR[Main]: stack traceback: 2016-10-24 11:31:35: ERROR[Main]: /home/luiz/.minetest/mods/vehicles/api.lua:391: in function 'object_fly'
13:33 lsab sfan5: 0.4.14
13:33 sfan5 hm, looks like the mod requires 0.4.14-dev them
13:33 lsab sfan5: 2016-10-24 11:31:35: ERROR[Main]: /home/luiz/.minetest/mods/vehicles/init.lua:931: in function </home/luiz/.minetest/mods/vehicles/init.lua:929>
13:33 sfan5 *then
13:33 sfan5 yes yes it's enough
13:33 sfan5 lsab: ubuntu?
13:33 lsab no Debian
13:33 lsab depends of default, tnt and mobs
13:34 lsab but if I check the default, home & decor broken
13:43 lsab sfan5: any idea?
13:44 sfan5 oh sorry
13:44 sfan5 you will need to compile mt from source
13:44 lsab sfan5: looks like the wrong is default mod
13:44 lsab sfan5: I didn't know to do
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13:45 sfan5 https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=42&amp;t=3837
13:47 behalebabo it looks like a mod problem, set_animation is not defined
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13:54 lsab sfan5: I compile, but doesn't work, some error
13:55 sfan5 behalebabo: no, set_animation is part of the minetest api and if it's missing then your version is probably too old
13:55 sfan5 lsab: well whats the error?
13:56 behalebabo why isn't it under minetest. or an object? I don't see why it would be in the global namespace
13:57 lsab sfan5: I created a new world and allow just default, look the error:
13:57 sfan5 hm yes it indeed shouldn't be global
13:57 lsab sfan5: 2016-10-24 11:56:50: ERROR[Main]: ModError: Failed to load and run script from /usr/share/games/minetest/games/mi​netest_game/mods/farming/init.lua:
13:58 sfan5 well that's an incompatibility
13:58 sfan5 lemme just look at the code producing the error
13:58 sfan5 hm indeed
13:58 sfan5 behalebabo: set_animation already exists in 0.4.14 so that isn't the problem
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13:59 sfan5 lsab: the problem is not 0.4.14-dev, the problem is the mod
14:00 sfan5 post on the forums and ask the author about the error
14:00 lsab sfan5: but in this last case I didn't use the mod, just default mod, look the next error line
14:01 lsab sfan5: 2016-10-24 11:56:50: ERROR[Main]: ...ames/minetest/games/minetest_​game/mods/farming/nodes.lua:19: Attempt to override non-existent item default:dirt_with_dry_grass
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14:09 TheFlashy I keep getting reports from players about an item duplication glitch using chests, does anyone know anything about this?
14:12 Fixer what version?
14:12 red-001 could be lag
14:13 red-001 do the items stay behind after logout/login?
14:14 TheFlashy The server is running the stable release of Minetest 0.4.14
14:15 TheFlashy Someone described that items quickly put into a chest a 5 to 10 seconds before a restart might sometimes double the items
14:15 TheFlashy *into a chest 5 to 10 seconds
14:15 TheFlashy one copy in the chest, one in the inventory
14:19 Fixer https://pbs.twimg.com/media​/CviCbtdXYAACWBK.jpg:large lol
14:20 Fixer TheFlashy: hmmm, interesting
14:20 Fixer TheFlashy: is that your server? is it restarted properly?
14:20 Fixer i will try it too
14:21 TheFlashy Yep, it's mine. It is sometimes restarted by a mod using minetest.request_shutdown.
14:22 TheFlashy The strange thing is, it seems to be extremely rare, I have not been able to reproduce it myself, but I received reports from several players for a few months
14:22 TheFlashy Maybe the server needs to be sufficiently laggy for it to work
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14:23 Fixer TheFlashy: do you have github account?
14:24 TheFlashy Sorry, no I don't
14:25 Fixer TheFlashy: i will post an issue, just give me more details
14:26 Fixer TheFlashy: so how exactly problem happens?
14:26 Fixer TheFlashy: what mods?
14:30 TheFlashy I don't know terribly much about it since I have not been able to reproduce it, but from what I heard, items that are placed in a chest just a couple seconds before a shutdown of a server may be duplicated (as in, once in the chest and once in the inventory) in rare circumstances, but it is very unreliably. Not even the best exploiters on my server have been able to do it consistently
14:31 TheFlashy *unreliable
14:34 Fixer TheFlashy: what version of minetest exploiters use?
14:35 Fixer TheFlashy: what is name of the server?
14:36 red-001 maybe some sort of race condition?
14:37 red-001 e.g map is updated before the player files are updated?
14:38 TheFlashy The server in total is relatively simple, there are pretty much no big mods on there (no mesecons, no pipeworks etc), so I am not sure how it happens. The part where the game moves items to the chest inventory is done by the engine, so I do not understand where it goes wrong
14:39 TheFlashy As far as I can see, the most enterprising exploiter just uses the minetest 0.4.14 client. At least I think that it is the official one.
14:42 red-001 sounds like a engine gliche
14:42 Fixer TheFlashy: what is name of your server? it is on serverlist?
14:42 red-001 how is the server usually shutdown?
14:42 TheFlashy Most recent cases I've heard about happened in "Survival Server no. 521". Like, is there any way the engine is prevented from flushing the player inventories to disc?
14:43 TheFlashy Usually there's a mod running minetest.request_shutdown every once in a while, or occasionally I use /shutdown
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14:44 red-001 does it only happen when moving player inventory to chest inventory or also the other way around?
14:44 Fixer TheFlashy: give me your server name
14:44 Fixer TheFlashy: i will get list of mods from it, maybe devs will try to connect it to test in some future
14:46 TheFlashy I only ever heard about it when players moved items into a chest. (I guess that sqlite updates the map while the engine does not do so immediately)
14:46 TheFlashy The server name is "Survival Server no. 521", hosted as fivetwoone.ddns.net, port 30001
14:47 TheFlashy I can try to encourage people to try to abuse it, though
14:48 Fixer TheFlashy: ok, let me post an issue
14:50 red-001 werid minetest doesn't seem to be saving anything at shutdown
14:50 red-001 it just exits
14:50 red-001 nvm
14:51 Fixer TheFlashy: default MTG + some mods?
14:54 TheFlashy it's minetest_game from 0.4.13, with most stuff from 0.4.14 added on top. There are players who have expressed some concern about some 'recent' changes in 0.4.14
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14:56 Fixer TheFlashy: are you registered at forums?
14:57 Fixer TheFlashy: you server admin, right?
14:57 TheFlashy Yes I am, my name on the forums is TheFlashyX
14:58 TheFlashy I am the admin, yes
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14:58 Fixer TheFlashy: engine is stable 0.4.14?
14:58 Fixer I think I made it
14:58 Fixer https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4661
14:59 Fixer TheFlashy: server OS?
15:00 Fixer TheFlashy: database? default one? sqlite?
15:01 Fixer TheFlashy: at what time you restart your server?
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15:02 TheFlashy It's running on a distribution based on ubuntu named "Trisquel". The database used is indeed the default sqlite.
15:02 Fixer linux, ok
15:03 Fixer TheFlashy: i play on another server that also has known restart time, I will try to reproduce that problem on it
15:04 TheFlashy Server restarts vary greatly, I usually set it to restart frequently during rush hour, so the server does not get weighed down so much by many players who usually do nothing and never come back
15:04 TheFlashy Ok, thanks
15:04 TheFlashy It does seem to be difficult, though
15:05 TheFlashy I have tried to do it dozens of times, and it never worked
15:07 Fixer your bug is posted here: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4661
15:11 Fixer TheFlashy: i can recommend you do restart once a day and use some antiafk mod like this: https://github.com/GunshipPenguin/afkkick
15:14 Fixer TheFlashy: restarting once a day is enough, if you have server stall problem -> it was kinda fixed some time after release in -dev builds
15:17 TheFlashy Uh, ok. Not sure if I ever encountered significant stalling
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16:17 greeter_ greetings. is it possible to disable error messages from appearing in the console window?
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18:07 redblade hi
18:08 redblade i'm not able to start my server, i'm getting this error:
18:08 redblade ERROR[CurlFetch]: servers.minetest.net/announce not found (Timeout was reached) (response code 100)
18:08 redblade the server is running but it's not on the list
18:09 redblade and after killing the process
18:09 redblade ERROR[CurlFetch]: servers.minetest.net/announce not found (HTTP response code said error) (response code 500)
18:09 redblade using the latest dev code
18:09 redblade accessing servers.minetest.net and servers.minetest.net/announce works when using links
18:09 sfan5 uh http 500 is not supposed to happen
18:10 redblade those are http codes?
18:10 sfan5 yes
18:10 redblade what's http 100
18:10 sfan5 that one is not a http code
18:10 redblade because if it's not on the list to begin with http 500 might be a forbidden, right?
18:10 sfan5 http 500 is internal server error
18:11 redblade and it doesnt seem to be a timeout, i get the message right away
18:11 sfan5 hm yes i see some requests that caused a 500
18:11 sfan5 i can help you with your problem soon
18:12 red-001 looking at the server code it is casued when someone trys to update for remove a server thats not on the list
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18:14 sfan5 oh after sending a ^C
18:14 sfan5 that's normal
18:15 sfan5 the "timeout was reached"  is not normal obviously
18:15 sfan5 redblade: do you have ipv6 configured on the host?
18:18 redblade no
18:18 redblade completely disabled
18:18 sfan5 hm
18:18 agaran sfan5: if you need I can enable ipv6 on my and make server temporarly listed
18:18 redblade even in sysctl.conf
18:18 redblade my isp doesnt have ipv6 so i just stay safe and turn it off on the vps too
18:18 agaran though server has 0.4.14 from debian not git
18:19 sfan5 agaran: nah that's not needed, thanks for the offer anyway
18:19 sfan5 >my isp doesnt have ipv6 so i just stay safe and turn it off on the vps too
18:19 sfan5 that makes zero sense
18:19 sfan5 but okay
18:19 sfan5 redblade: can you try running "curl -v servers.minetest.net"
18:19 sfan5 see if it times out too?
18:19 redblade no
18:20 redblade it doesnt seem to time out the message is given right away
18:20 redblade even though it says it's timing out
18:20 redblade after the headers:
18:20 redblade * Curl_http_done: called premature == 0
18:20 redblade * Connection #0 to host servers.minetest.net left intact
18:21 redblade actually
18:21 redblade there is no server list
18:21 redblade <div id="server_list"></div>
18:21 redblade should it show one?
18:28 sfan5 no that's correct
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18:32 redblade sfan5: do you run the server list?
18:32 redblade i want to go grab lunch but i'll try to connect again if you can see what's happening
18:36 redblade ready?
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18:39 redblade sfan5: on ipv6
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18:41 redblade i dont want to wind up in a situation where i can't prove whether ip6tables is working or not because my isp doesnt have ipv6 support
18:41 redblade so i just disable it completely
18:42 garywhite I just downloaded the newest dev build from sfan5
18:42 redblade i did too, from git
18:42 redblade but i forgot to compile and it still did it, even after i compiled
18:43 redblade it was when i restarted my vps because of a kernel upgrade
18:46 sfan5 redblade: yes i run the server list
18:46 redblade hmm test-ipv6.com says they added it
18:46 sfan5 and i was just asking about ipv6, no need to enable it
18:50 redblade thought for sure they "weren't there yet" according to a blog post. that was a year or two ago though
18:51 redblade i dont like giving out my isp because in addition to copyright strikes, they have anonymous message board user harassment complaint strikes
18:52 redblade and that was 10 years ago, in today's left-wing politically correct safe-space world it might get ugly
18:52 redblade so i dont like to use unencrypted social communication, or tell people my isp
18:55 redblade i guess they do have it, testing opennic and accessing the sample page testv6.madore.org
18:56 redblade are there really ipv6-only minetest players though?
18:56 sfan5 no
18:57 sfan5 but minetest will use ipv6 if it can (afaik)
18:57 redblade i have to learn how ipv6 works though
18:57 redblade isnt it a privacy risk?
18:57 redblade i heard that there are no lan ipv6 addresses
18:57 redblade and that every device has its own ip
18:58 redblade like a mac address
18:58 redblade right?
18:59 redblade like 192.168.0, 192.168.1, and 10.0 type addresses dont exist, everything has its own ip
18:59 redblade is that true sfan5 ?
19:00 redblade player with an empty name tried to connect
19:00 redblade but still got the error and it's still not on the server list
19:00 sfan5 redblade: partially true
19:00 sfan5 everything has it's own IP
19:01 sfan5 but private ip address blocks still exist
19:01 sfan5 redblade: your server runs on a headless vps?
19:01 whitephoenix just finished my first minetest modding stream, I think I might do it again
19:01 redblade yes
19:01 redblade minetestserver
19:01 redblade not minetest
19:01 redblade run in place
19:02 sfan5 i meant whether you had a gui installed, but it doens't matter
19:03 sfan5 redblade: mind telling me your servers ip
19:03 sfan5 the v6 too if you have enabled that now
19:03 redblade no ipv6 enabled
19:05 redblade it's on the list
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19:10 redblade i see the griefer wormy/tomy has his own server now :|
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21:23 cheapie Latest traffic light statistics for VE-Creative: 51 total signalized intersections. 38 owned by MineDOT, 9 owned by Bulldog TC, 4 privately-owned. 43 are using the LTC-4000, the other 8 are on TrafficNeXt.
21:23 EpilepticBugs oh... VE-Creative
21:23 EpilepticBugs forgot to visit it
21:23 EpilepticBugs probably lags as hell
21:23 EpilepticBugs IGI
21:24 cheapie The lag's not too bad lately. Some computers do have a hard time, though, if they don't have enough RAM.
21:24 EpilepticBugs connecting
21:24 EpilepticBugs lets see if 15 minutes to connect as usual
21:25 cheapie Turning minimap off helps a lot.
21:26 EpilepticBugs it is not even ON
21:26 EpilepticBugs daaaamn
21:26 EpilepticBugs i forgot to wrong one
21:26 EpilepticBugs connected*
21:27 EpilepticBugs this 0,0,0 spawn bug is VERY annoying
21:27 cheapie The gray screen one or the "sits at 0,0,0 for a bit then teleports" one?
21:29 EpilepticBugs sits at 0,0,0 a bit
21:29 EpilepticBugs up to 15 minutes iirc
21:29 EpilepticBugs horrific
21:29 EpilepticBugs minetest still amuses me with its bugz
21:30 cheapie I've actually never had the 0,0,0 issue on VE-Creative. I've only seen it on VE-Building, and on that one, I usually get teleported out within 30 seconds.
21:31 cheapie The gray screen issue, on the other hand, I do get sometimes. Having the minimap enabled tends to make it a lot worse, likely because it takes so much longer to load that way.
21:31 EpilepticBugs on VE creative survival
21:31 cheapie I take it you're "Fixer"?
21:31 EpilepticBugs yes
21:31 EpilepticBugs my download speed is a bit slow because i got some side traffic >_>
21:32 EpilepticBugs grey screen
21:32 cheapie Yep, and you dropped out of the clients list.
21:34 EpilepticBugs crap
21:34 EpilepticBugs i also think I'm going down fast
21:35 EpilepticBugs since your tags went much higher
21:35 EpilepticBugs maybe
21:35 EpilepticBugs vanessas servers are so heavy
21:35 cheapie That one is, yes.
21:35 EpilepticBugs reconnecting
21:38 EpilepticBugs cheapie: you look horrifying ingame
21:38 cheapie Well, I at least see you now. You're the "green guy" with a pickaxe stuck to your head, but meh.
21:38 cheapie And I see my skin is flat today. Yay.
21:38 EpilepticBugs i see pickaxe sticking out of my head
21:38 EpilepticBugs .........
21:39 * cheapie heads out to the new spawn
21:39 EpilepticBugs cheapie: look at yourself
21:39 EpilepticBugs even more worse
21:39 cheapie I did. I see I'm flat?
21:40 EpilepticBugs not only flat.. but it looks ... incorrect
21:40 cheapie Looks correct to me, just flat.
21:41 EpilepticBugs let me do pic
21:41 EpilepticBugs go back to spawn
21:42 cheapie What the heck. It just dropped *all* of the players.
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21:42 cheapie [16:42:08] <cheapie> VE-Creative: players
21:42 cheapie [16:42:09] <VE-Creative> Connected players:
21:42 cheapie I've never seen it do *that* before.
21:42 EpilepticBugs damn
21:43 EpilepticBugs -1.000
21:43 EpilepticBugs i'm going in again
21:44 cheapie I'm already back there.
21:46 cheapie Anyway, I'm at the spawn now. Still flat.
21:47 cheapie I see you moving around over near the old spawn.
21:47 EpilepticBugs going
21:47 EpilepticBugs damn slow
21:47 EpilepticBugs don't move
21:47 EpilepticBugs you cna move
21:47 EpilepticBugs will upload
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21:48 cheapie Over here is Cheap-Wash, the first thing to use the digistuff touchscreens.
21:49 EpilepticBugs cheapie: https://i.imgur.com/4HgZ09Z.png
21:49 cheapie That's what it looks like to me as well.
21:49 fireglow looking good
21:49 EpilepticBugs lol
21:50 cheapie The formspec on that touchscreen thing is being controlled by a Luacontroller.
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23:45 MinetestBot DonBatman: Oct-24 00:55 UTC <milesdyson> cant get ahold of you any more lost your emal...
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23:45 EpilepticBugs MinetestBot: wat?
23:45 wilkgr lol
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23:45 kaeza <3 MinetestBot
23:45 MinetestBot <3 kaeza
23:46 EpilepticBugs kaeza: \o
23:46 wilkgr rofl
23:46 wilkgr What was the rainbow thing again?
23:46 kaeza o/ EpilepticBugs
23:46 wilkgr MinetestBot rainbow test?
23:46 kaeza !rainbow wilkgr
23:46 MinetestBot 4wi7lk8gr
23:46 wilkgr Thanks kaeza =)
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23:47 wilkgr !rainbow Thanks kaeza =) (I really should remember this for some other time...)
23:47 MinetestBot 4Than7ks k8aeza3 =) (I r6eally sh4ould7 rem8embe3r this f6or some 4othe7r ti8me..3.)
23:48 EpilepticBugs MinetestBot Can't read the fucking thing
23:48 wilkgr lol
23:48 EpilepticBugs !rainbow Can't read the fucking thing
23:48 MinetestBot 4Can'7t re8ad t3he fucki6ng thing
23:48 EpilepticBugs oh well
23:48 wilkgr ...
23:48 kaeza seems fine over here
23:48 EpilepticBugs best one is black text on black background
23:49 wilkgr lol ... I can't get the black background tho with Hexchat (using the right-click)
23:49 EpilepticBugs can read that
23:49 wilkgr ik
23:49 wilkgr I couldn't find the normal white :/
23:50 EpilepticBugs i hope kids don't read this
23:50 EpilepticBugs >_>
23:51 EpilepticBugs good night
23:51 wilkgr gn
23:51 wilkgr See ya ;)
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