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00:10 whitephoenix airsword best mod 2016
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01:16 MinetestBot [git] tenplus1 -> minetest/minetest: Builtin/../falling.lua: Code optimisation a468acc https://git.io/vPrRo (2016-10-14T02:12:32+01:00)
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02:26 whitephoenix back to looking at this and I still don't see the problem with my deserialize setup, any ideas? http://pastebin.com/kFU4RfDx
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03:08 kaeza whitephoenix, https://www.lua.org/pil/21.html
03:09 kaeza start fomr there ;)
03:09 whitephoenix alright
03:10 whitephoenix wait a second does "w" not allow reading?
03:10 kaeza uh no?
03:10 whitephoenix its weird that I'm having trouble with this, file io is pretty similar to python which I've used a bunch
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03:16 kaeza I advise you read the full chapter
03:17 whitephoenix alright
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03:46 whitephoenix free software at its finest http://i.imgur.com/F92RsNM.png
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08:33 LittleRoaryTiger Lukc: ?
08:34 Megaf are you the same Lukc I think you are?
08:39 Lukc Megaf, I am. :o
08:40 Megaf Lukc: cool, Still playing Minetest?
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08:41 Lukc Not really~.
08:41 Megaf I have to join my Yahoo/AIM/XMPP acctounts again...
08:41 Megaf Lukc: oh man
08:41 Megaf Lukc: you should xP
08:41 Megaf I'm building something weird on Nether
08:42 Megaf geometric stuff
08:42 Megaf Lukc: if you wish, we have now #MegafServer and the server itself is connected there, so people on the server can now exchange messages with people on IRC
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08:55 Megaf meh, Emphaty on GNOME is super slow
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09:15 Megaf This, I like this https://www.phacility.com/phabricator/
09:15 Megaf !title
09:15 MinetestBot Megaf: Phacility - Phabricator
09:15 Megaf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phabricator
09:15 Megaf !title
09:15 MinetestBot Megaf: Phabricator - Wikipedia
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09:29 JamesTait Good morning all! ¬†Happy Friday, and happy World Egg Day! ūüėÉ ¬†ūüź£
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09:33 Axord Time to cook some eggs.
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10:01 Krock but who was first? the egg or the chicken?
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11:41 Logo4poop On the mac version it's in a other language is that normal?
11:41 Krock mac is strange anyway
11:42 Krock what language do you get? what's expected?
11:42 Krock maybe you've modified the language setting in Minetest
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15:05 whitephoenix there sure are a lot of mod release forum posts with broken image urls
15:05 garywhite whitephoenix: yes there
15:05 garywhite are*
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15:53 keyboard4238 what is an oerkki
15:54 nm0i mob
15:54 keyboard4238 is it a product of imagination or is it based on something
15:54 keyboard4238 lol
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15:58 Gamer Hi
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16:04 keyboard4238 ok, i looked through the IRC logs and it appears to be a generic monster based on the Finnish word örkki, meaning orc
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16:07 Krock keyboard4238, see also: http://wiki.minetest.net/Oerkki
16:09 keyboard4238 ty :)
16:09 Krock !next
16:09 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next!
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16:45 keyboard4238 may i have a wiki account?
16:48 Krock keyboard4238, PM Calinou with your email and desired acc name
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16:49 garywhite wb Don
16:52 garywhite Hey guys any idea what would be causing this? nomohakon says he can't type the 4 key in the MT client, but every other key works fine in MT
16:56 Krock another irrlicht issue?
16:57 Krock garywhite, maybe this issue? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/302
16:57 Krock the one about specifically number 4 was closed
17:00 whitephoenix I read through the lua file i/o stuff and still don't see the problem with my mod, I tried doing some of this in a lua interpreter and it worked fine, I don't know why its not getting deserialized correctly
17:01 garywhite idk if that was the issue cause he won't say anything now, so I'll call that solved
17:01 garywhite !next
17:01 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next!
17:04 sfan5 garywhite: which minetest version?
17:04 sfan5 and os?
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17:06 whitephoenix this is probably getting annoying but I still don't see whats wrong with this: http://pastebin.com/59dbkHFm, deserialize is apparently returning nil and I have no idea why, io.read("*all") returns a string
17:07 sfan5 you should be loading it when the mod starts
17:07 sfan5 not with minetest.after
17:07 sfan5 >io.input(spark_file)
17:07 sfan5 >io.output(spark_file)
17:07 sfan5 don't do that
17:08 sfan5 it will break if other mods do the same
17:08 Krock whitephoenix, it MUST return a string, that's wanted
17:08 Krock but most likely it's formatted wrongly
17:09 sfan5 also i found your error
17:10 sfan5 you are opening the file for writing
17:10 sfan5 you can't read from it
17:10 whitephoenix ...wow
17:10 sfan5 now sorry for being direct: your code is shit
17:11 sfan5 whitephoenix: http://sprunge.us/DZgS?lua
17:11 garywhite idk
17:12 sfan5 oh that's missing a load_sparks() at the end
17:12 whitephoenix Awesome thanks, some lua stuff is kind of hard to wrap my head around
17:12 whitephoenix been using python and nothing else for too long
17:12 sfan5 don't worry, you'll learn it as you use lua more
17:15 whitephoenix works flawlessly, thank you so much
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17:20 garywhite ok on the keyboard issue (nomohakon is having the problem, not me)
17:20 garywhite It is Xubuntu 16.04 and MT 0.4.14
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17:49 swift110 hey garywhite
17:49 garywhite Hello swift110
17:49 swift110 how are you garywhite
17:49 garywhite Good
17:50 Krock hey swift110, how are you?
17:50 agaran Hello
17:50 Krock hi agaran
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17:54 swift110 hey Krock I am great
17:55 swift110 good to hear garywhite
17:55 Krock good :)
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18:12 garywhite I'm gonna write an article on the forums about MC vs. MT. Since I've used the MC demo before, I think MT will win
18:14 whitephoenix FOSS > proprietary software, end of story for me
18:16 garywhite Um how old is Minetest 0.4.10?
18:18 sfan5 old
18:18 agaran i would say more like ancient?
18:19 sfan5 7th july 2014
18:19 agaran two years can be lot of changes thats what I mean
18:19 garywhite Heh, I just found a server with nobody on it that runs 0.4.10
18:20 whitephoenix inb4 debian
18:20 whitephoenix linuxmasterrace server runs on debian and had 0.4.10, I compiled a new one which solved a lot of mod errors
18:21 sfan5 small tip: don't run on any version that isn't the latest one
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18:34 Krock whitephoenix, old image: http://i.imgur.com/VszPcHQ.png
18:35 whitephoenix "Bump version to 0.4.9 kwolekr committed on Jan 1, 2014"
18:38 sfan5 gameboom still existed in 2014? wow
18:38 whitephoenix alright I think I need to stop and focus on learning lua for a while before I do anything even more stupid
18:38 Krock I've checked an old server list back then and found these interesting servers. Too bad we haven't had the local saving to that time
18:39 sfan5 whitephoenix: the best way to learn lua is to write code
18:40 sfan5 if you already know the basics that it
18:40 Krock \o/ libreplanet is still online
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18:42 red-001 whats the linuxmasterreace server called?
18:42 whitephoenix its not public but I can pm you the address
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18:44 sfan5 that explains why i didn't find a post about it in /r/linuxmasterrace
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18:46 Krock hello Tmanyo
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18:47 Tmanyo hello
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18:47 whitephoenix yeah its more on the irc
18:48 sfan5 how many people are playing on it rn?
18:49 whitephoenix 4, I don't advertise it but people can join, I just want to keep it relaxed enough to not require a ton of rules and grief protection stuff
18:49 Krock nice idea
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18:49 Krock until the word spreads and kids will come too
18:50 whitephoenix yeah I mean if someone griefs stuff I have backups and whatnot but I'd prefer to not have to do that at all
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18:59 kruug Is there a way to offline edit a map?
19:00 kruug I stuck a torch below a stone node with a stack of sand on top.  Broke the stone, and now I can't load my world.
19:00 sfan5 you're in for a ride
19:00 sfan5 what happens when you try to load it?
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19:01 kruug Lua: Runtime error
19:01 sfan5 great
19:01 sfan5 anything more?
19:02 kruug https://i.imgur.com/HKnuM85.png
19:02 kruug yeah, sorry.  Had to take a screenshot as there isn't a way to copy/paste out of the error box
19:02 sofar_ disable the mine_it_all module
19:02 sofar_ then try to load it again
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19:03 kruug HAHAHA
19:03 kruug I think it was trying to mine ALL THE STONE!
19:03 kruug thanks sofar
19:08 swift110 hmm
19:09 kruug So, turning on debug info shows what I'm pointing_at...can that be accessed via the API?
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19:10 Krock whitephoenix, is there an IRC channel for the server?
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19:10 whitephoenix The irc channel is for the linuxmasterrace group, it's #linuxmasterrace @ snoonet
19:10 Krock nuh. not a new irc network again :<
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19:10 whitephoenix I just have snoonet and freenode
19:11 Krock I have Inchra, Rizona and Freenode
19:11 Krock *Rizon
19:12 garywhite I have Inchra and Freenode
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21:11 Leoneof why i'm here?
21:25 kruug How does one pre-generate a map?
21:25 kruug I'm sick of getting thrown out of my world because of technic, but I don't want to lose the mod...
21:26 sfan5 /emergeblocks
21:26 kruug hmmm....now to figure out which directions x, y, and z are...
21:27 sfan5 y is up-down
21:27 sfan5 just press f5
21:29 kruug woo!
21:29 kruug crashed!
21:29 kruug not enough memory...
21:29 kruug thanks technic
21:33 kruug and that's the thing...it's not even using 40MB of memory...I'd like to dedicate 2GB of RAM to it, please :)
21:39 Krock maybe it's used by other applications?
21:41 kruug Without Minetest running, I'm using 7GB of 16GB RAM
21:41 kruug I think I can spare 2GB :)
21:44 garywhite Dude, what are you running that you're using 7GB?
21:44 kruug Might be the 15 tabs in Firefox
21:44 kruug yeah, Firefox is just over 1GB
21:45 kruug Edge is just over 1GB as well
21:50 sfan5 you're probably using a minetest with luaji
21:50 sfan5 luajit has a hard limit of 2gb
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21:51 kruug Is there one without the LuaJIT?
21:52 sfan5 for windows, probably not
21:52 kruug I'm using the `Minetest 0.4.14 (Portable, 64-bit)`
21:52 sfan5 but generally, /emergeblocks shouldn't be crashing due to out-of-memory
21:53 sfan5 or did that error happen due to technic?
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21:53 kruug It's the technic worldgen
21:53 paramat why Leoneof's back?
21:53 kruug "Lua: OOM error from mod 'technic_worldgen' in callback environment_OnGenerated(): not enough memory"
21:54 paramat emergeblocks will trigger lua mapgen
21:54 sfan5 ah
21:54 sfan5 what does technic do that it needs a custom worldgen?
21:54 sfan5 kruug: do you want a build without luajit real quick?
21:54 sfan5 i can make you one
21:54 kruug Hmmm.  I wonder if I download a non LuaJIT Linux version, emerge the map, and then move back to Windows...
21:54 sfan5 nah
21:55 sfan5 that's too complicated
21:55 kruug Challenge Accepted!
21:55 kruug 0.2% emerged!
21:55 sfan5 how did you move to linux that fast o.O
21:56 kruug no, that's using Windows
21:56 kruug though I could fire up my Linux laptop in about 30 seconds...but I have 4 minutes until I have to drive
21:57 kruug Is there a Linux build without LuaJIT worldgen?  I could load it up and just let it run all weekend
21:58 sfan5 some distros build without luajit
21:58 sfan5 but it's easy to just compile from source
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22:05 kruug sfan5: if you have a non-LuaJIT for Windows, just so I can emerge 412776 blocks (chunks?) and then play with LuaJIT, that would be great
22:06 sfan5 ready in a few mins
22:08 kruug who decided that Lua was a good language?
22:09 Calinou kruug: no real alternatives were present back in November 2011
22:09 Calinou (and I don't think there's any now)
22:09 kruug No?
22:10 xunto Calinou: python?
22:10 kruug wouldn't python be an alternative?
22:10 xunto lol
22:10 sfan5 oh fuck i accidentally uploaded it
22:10 kruug jinx!
22:10 Calinou too large to be embedded
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22:11 kruug sfan5: O.O
22:11 kruug uploaded...to where?
22:11 sfan5 well i have a script that automatically uploads it to my vps
22:11 xunto Civ 5 uses python for modding api...
22:11 sfan5 so i can update the page of my minetest daily builds
22:11 kruug sfan5: ah, nice
22:11 kruug link?
22:11 sfan5 first lemme move it
22:12 sfan5 kruug: https://kitsunemimi.pw/tmp/min‚Äčetest-0.4.14-noluajit-win64.7z
22:12 Calinou xunto: we're not a huge game engine
22:12 sfan5 it also includes two subgames
22:13 Calinou Minetest tries to follow the KISS principle
22:13 sfan5 because i forgot to disable that too
22:13 kruug sweet.
22:13 kruug and I should just be able to copy my world and mods over no problem?
22:13 kaeza o/
22:14 TC01 kruug: Civ 4 used Python; Civ 5 actually uses Lua too.
22:15 sfan5 kruug: yup
22:16 kruug sfan5: gracias!  Have a good weekend!
22:16 sfan5 you too
22:16 sfan5 :)
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22:27 Jordach ayyyyyyyyy lmao
22:29 sfan5 aye lemao
22:35 kaeza oi, lim√£o
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22:45 garywhite Would 1GB RAM be enough to run Minetest (just a vanilla singleplayer world)
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22:46 shadow is there an oldest continuously running minetest world?
22:46 sfan5 garywhite: yes
22:47 garywhite ok, cause I'm building an OpenSUSE OS with some simple applications and I put MT on it. Only thing is, it took 20 mins to compile and then I realize I only set the RAM in a VM to 512MB
22:49 shadow garywhite: 1-2GB minimum RAM for compiling C++ code, suggest at least 4GB
22:49 shadow no harm in making do with less
22:49 shadow just slowwwww
22:50 garywhite I'm going back, adjusting the RAM for VMWare/VirtualBox machines to 1GB or maybe 1.5GB and then recompiling...Here goes another 30 minutes
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22:54 garywhite If anyone wants the link, I can post it when I'm done
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23:06 red-001 whats the longest a minetest server can run without restart?
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23:10 Out`Of`Control red-001: my record 2 months
23:12 shadow only 2 mos huh
23:12 shadow :
23:17 red-001 I once joined a server that used an exponent for showing uptime
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23:29 kruug huh...non-LuaJIT runes a bit slower...
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23:38 kruug sfan5: I issued /emergeblocks but I'm not getting a progress counter.  Thoughts?
23:41 kruug Oh, but it is taking ~7 GB of RAM.  Guessing it's working!
23:42 kruug and I may have set it to emerge the same set of blocks twice...
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23:55 paramat how big a volume did you emerge?

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