Time Nick Message 00:07 greeter hmm, the game isn't in creative mode yet it still just gives me the items, not too survival like lol 00:20 whitephoenix So whats a good place to learn lua better? I made some cool mods but I probably made some mistakes with scope and stuff 00:38 whitephoenix So are chat colors a thing? 00:39 sfan5 ye 00:39 sfan5 in the dev release 00:39 sfan5 oh wait you know that already 00:40 whitephoenix so no documentation yet? 00:40 sfan5 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1788 00:41 whitephoenix somehow I missed that, thanks 00:52 strayko Hi, someone knows how to fix this problem http://prntscr.com/ct5osh ? 00:53 sfan5 the android is probably not updated yet 00:53 sfan5 try building 0.4.14 instead of latest 01:33 strayko took a 0.4.14 make stopped at this http://prntscr.com/ct60ty 04:29 whitephoenix Can I change a nodebox's texture on right click somehow? 04:39 agaran you can make nodebox swap for other one on right click, that has same properties but different texture 13:03 blerttt i see corals have been added to the minetest game https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/commit/3d26b33e5bad60ebb4fe459e011abefe130dbc3b where can i find them? 13:06 FreeFull blerttt: I'd be looking somewhere in deep water, assuming they are actually being generated 13:07 FreeFull Looking at that commit, it doesn't seem to make them generate 13:08 FreeFull blerttt: For now you'll probably just have to give yourself some 13:08 blerttt they will probably make them generate later 13:09 FreeFull Yeah, probably 14:24 Krock hi swift110 14:28 swift110 hey Krock 14:29 Krock how are you, swift110 ? 14:29 swift110 anyone on telegram? 14:29 swift110 good 14:29 Krock I don't have telegram 14:29 Krock Tox for the win 14:34 swift110 o 14:44 twoelk mh, we have Tux and Tox and Tax and even Tex means something - but has Tix a meaning? 14:47 swift110 ok 14:50 nm0i dev-tcltk/tix 14:50 nm0i A widget library for Tcl/Tk 15:34 MinetestBot 02[git] 04raymoo -> 03minetest/minetest: Attached particle spawners 13c9e7a27 https://git.io/vPVhp (152016-10-13T17:33:16+02:00) 15:46 whitephoenix probably a noob question but how can I store a variable on a per-player basis? 15:46 T4im save it in a table with the player name as key 15:47 T4im something like local favorite_building_materials = {} with favorite_building_materials["whitephonix"] = "cobble" 15:48 T4im :) 15:50 whitephoenix T4im, but wouldn't that get deleted on reboot? 15:50 whitephoenix on server restart I should say 15:50 T4im yes; if you need it restored, you can serialize/deserialize the table 15:50 T4im minetest.serialize() or something like that 15:51 T4im depending on the variable, the place to do that, might vary 15:51 T4im player join/leave, actual actual like building a node, or server init/shutdown etc. etc. 15:52 T4im that was way too actual 15:53 whitephoenix I'm not sure I understand, serialize stores a table in a string, and deserialize loads it, so I'd have to make a text file that deserializes the players thing when they join right? 15:53 red-001 if it's something thats updated a lot you might want to only save it every 5 minutes and a shutdown 15:53 red-001 at* 15:53 T4im yes that string can then be written or read later from a file 15:54 T4im via common io 15:54 whitephoenix alright thanks 15:54 whitephoenix its for a 'mana' type system 15:54 red-001 would that get updated a lot? 15:54 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03Uberi/Minetest-WorldEdit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'tmp/hollowpyramid' 136e2e238 https://git.io/vPwfc (152016-10-13T17:51:01+02:00) 15:55 whitephoenix red-001, I'm thinking just when they use an item/node to gain mana or use it 15:56 red-001 you might want to use something like minetest.after() to only save it once a minute or something like that 15:56 T4im loosing mana due to a power failure, doesn't seem too big of an issue, is it? 15:57 red-001 well server failures can be caused bu other things 15:57 whitephoenix not really 15:57 whitephoenix I should also proabably save it on shutdown 15:57 red-001 segfaults, lua errors, etc 15:58 T4im player leave/join perhaps 15:58 T4im red-001: yes, but the problem caused by it seems recoverable 15:58 T4im it's not like its item loss or world corruption 15:58 red-001 ? 15:58 red-001 how is it diffrent from item lose? 15:59 red-001 the player still loses something that took time to gain 15:59 T4im never played one of those magic mods; just assumed it's about as rare to come by like stamina 15:59 red-001 red-001, I'm thinking just when they use an item/node to gain mana 15:59 whitephoenix yeah its not gonna regenerate automatically like some mana in games 15:59 T4im ah, ok 16:00 red-001 then you should save it automactly 16:00 * red-001 thinks that someone should just merge the player atributes PR 16:05 whitephoenix some syntax highlighting on the PIL would go a long way 16:10 sfan5 hm 16:10 sfan5 why can't you attach metadata to players yet? 16:25 Krock detached inventories are a kind of metadata IIRC 16:25 Krock err.. they're not attached to players 16:25 red-001 see https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/4155 16:27 whitephoenix seems like 20% of my time spent modding is search then noticing that there is an open PR for a feature I want 16:29 Krock spent a bit more than a hour to rework this awful styled mod: https://github.com/Tmanyo/server_helper/blob/master/init.lua 16:30 red-001 whitephoenix well minetest is understaffed 16:30 whitephoenix I know, I understand 16:31 whitephoenix I want to start contributing soon 16:31 whitephoenix just most of the stuff I see going on is above my head 16:44 garywhite Hi 16:47 Krock meow, Mewgaf 16:48 Mewgaf Mew because meow is too mainstream 16:52 whitephoenix I keep crashing the game 17:14 swift110 hey 17:42 whitephoenix I'm so confused right now, are minetest mods not allowed to create files? 17:42 T4im with security enabled they are limited to where 17:42 T4im world and mod directory only 17:42 T4im i think 17:43 whitephoenix this should be putting it in my mod folder 17:43 whitephoenix I must just have a problem with my lua that I can't see 17:43 T4im not entirely sure about mod directory actually 17:43 T4im but that file belongs to the world path anyway 17:43 T4im it's world specific, isn't it? 17:43 whitephoenix yeah it should be, I've just been trying to test in the mods dir though 17:45 whitephoenix wow yep 17:45 whitephoenix worlds folder only 17:45 whitephoenix that was driving me insane, seems like there should be an error saying it tried to write to somewhere it can't 17:46 * T4im nods 17:50 garywhite How do I get the latest build from GitHub? 17:50 whitephoenix compile it or download releases from https://github.com/minetest/minetest/releases 17:51 garywhite I want to download the nightly build, that link is the official 4.14 17:52 twoelk if you are on linux you could use Calinoue's one line command 17:52 garywhite No, Windows 7 17:53 twoelk then you are out of luck 17:54 twoelk https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=6745&p=235897#p235897 <- the latest build for windows 17:55 whitephoenix oh come on 17:55 Krock I could make you a nightly one if you find a 2nd person who wants it 17:55 whitephoenix now I keep seeing my file popup in the world dir then get deleted immediately 17:55 garywhite This is fine, thanks 17:57 red-001 krock do you know how to build an x64 version of minetest in msvc15? 17:57 red-001 I only got 32-bit version working 17:57 T4im great, now you shooshed away the linux4Ever guy with all that msvc talk :o 17:57 Krock red-001, 1.5 times "no". I don't know how to x64 but MSVC works the same way on all versions 17:58 Krock T4im, hehe 17:58 Krock You'll need to get the x64 libraries and then let MSVC15 compile it with the target x64 17:59 Krock well, you'd need two cmake build dirs. Once for x86, and the 2nd for x64 18:00 twoelk how long does compiling take on your current setup Krock? 18:00 Krock twoelk, 3 mins for incremental, otherwise up to 6 mins 18:00 Krock with my old setup I would have 6 mins and 15 mins 18:00 Krock :3 18:00 twoelk hehe and when you started? 18:01 twoelk ninja'd 18:01 Krock huh? 18:01 twoelk I thought it took longer though 18:01 Krock no, when I started it was ~10 mins and 20 mins 18:01 Krock then I had a mainboard switch, and now again 18:02 Krock well, now it's a different HDD but with the same files (mirror) 18:03 twoelk I gave up on trying to make a portable setup for compiling Minetest 18:03 Krock stupid mainboard does not have IDE connectors anymore 18:03 whitephoenix msvc must be way slower than gcc 18:03 Krock whitephoenix, depends on CPU 18:03 Krock and optimizations 18:03 whitephoenix FX 6300 I compiled minetest in about 40 seconds 18:03 Krock twoelk, portable and setup are the opposites IMO 18:04 Krock whitephoenix, that's a newer CPU than mine 18:04 twoelk not really 18:04 Krock and mingw/gcc also does incremental linking which speeds it up a lot 18:04 TheMeowingTiger [19:03:56] FX 6300 I compiled minetest in about 40 seconds 18:04 Krock for some reasons it's disabled for MSVC 18:04 twoelk on a portable setup you have to tweak the toolchain to work together even more 18:04 * MSVC has a pentuim d 18:04 TheMeowingTiger I think my Phenom II x4 955 BE beats that 18:05 TheMeowingTiger at 3,2 GHz 18:05 Krock MSVC, better as if you had a celeron D 18:05 whitephoenix maybe 18:05 * garywhite has an i5 vPro 18:05 whitephoenix I don't think I was using -j5 or whatever though 18:05 * Krock has Core 2 Quad 18:05 TheMeowingTiger but I don't have access to my Phenom anymore 18:05 whitephoenix I should try it on my i7 laptop to test it 18:05 MSVC krock do you run generate version? 18:06 Krock whitephoenix, better don't https://xkcd.com/303/ 18:06 Krock MSVC, err what? 18:06 Krock whitephoenix, get a coffee while it's compiling. that's much better 18:06 whitephoenix yeah I suppose so 18:07 MSVC do you do Built all when doing a incremental build or do you just build minetest? 18:07 whitephoenix lua seems kinda hard to me, I'm too used to python 18:08 Krock I build it with the defaults. Incremental - everything but the linker is incremental 18:09 MSVC It can be a lot faster to build without generate version when you are doing an incremental build 18:09 Krock I only run CMake when I update a library path. When the Cmakelists.txt file updated, it runs automatically anyway 18:09 Krock *file got updated 18:10 MSVC It has to recomplie more files if the generat version project is run 18:10 Krock yes, because it empties the progress of the incremental build and starts from scratch 18:10 whitephoenix http://i.imgur.com/LBZprao.png anyone see what I'm doing wrong? this has been bugging me 18:11 Krock whitephoenix, minetest.deserialize obviously failed 18:11 Krock lol 18:11 Krock interesting code btw 18:12 Krock whitephoenix, add print(dump(spark_count)) at line 8 18:13 Krock ping, whitephoenix 18:13 whitephoenix alright just a sec 18:13 T4im and localize your globals 18:13 whitephoenix alright 18:14 whitephoenix I'm sure theres lots of problems, I've used nothing but python for a long time 18:14 Krock it would be nice if we could compress the output of minetest.serialize 18:14 Krock data files would get a lot smaller 18:15 Krock *there are lots 18:15 T4im well; avoid globals when possible; they are shared among mods and can create bugs, like the technic drill and the replacer won't work if a mod is loaded which assigns above globally for some reason 18:15 T4im "above" 18:16 Krock what a luck that locals have priority over globals 18:16 T4im also lua is quite slow with globals; while local variables are limite to the stack and won't ever be a performance problem 18:16 T4im Krock: yea :D 18:16 T4im that would mess up even more 18:17 T4im the performance thing is usually not a problem; but best practices can save you from accidentally creating one 18:17 Krock nice window style. I wonder if it's avalable for Raspian too 18:18 T4im Krock: install linux; it has lots of nice styles like that 18:19 T4im whitephoenix: good you read the while in-total though 18:20 T4im but, doesn't io.read need the file handle too? 18:20 Krock oh right, yes 18:20 kaeza Greetings. 18:20 Krock o/ kaeza 18:20 whitephoenix T4im, I think using : passes self 18:21 T4im yes 18:21 whitephoenix oh wait nevermind idk 18:21 Krock either io.read(fs, "*all") or fs:read("*all") 18:21 T4im ^^ 18:21 Krock T4im, Raspian is Linux 18:21 Krock just a very crappy distribution 18:22 T4im "io.read" without file descriptor should read from STDIn 18:22 T4im stdin* 18:23 kaeza it would be nice if we could compress the output of minetest.serialize 18:23 kaeza https://gist.github.com/kaeza/611b22c81835894887643c06684e2cac 18:23 Krock you're doing something that I never do. Reading the logs 18:23 kaeza :D 18:24 kaeza but you said that like 5 minutes ago 18:24 kaeza Krock, oh, and just for fun: https://github.com/mathiasbynens/luamin 18:25 Krock I thought more about a C++ zlib implementation 18:25 T4im lol 18:25 T4im written in javascript 18:25 kaeza ^ :( sadly 18:25 whitephoenix Krock, window style is flatabulous_arc 18:26 whitephoenix I'd imagine it works on lxde 18:26 Krock thanks :D 18:26 whitephoenix though you might have to build it 18:32 garywhite to run a minetest server, do I use a VPN or a VPS? 18:32 TheMeowingTiger eh 18:32 TheMeowingTiger VPN = Virtual Private Network 18:32 TheMeowingTiger you connect several computers in a closed network over the internet 18:33 TheMeowingTiger VPS = Virtual Private Server 18:33 TheMeowingTiger it's a "partition" of a real server 18:34 garywhite So do I use VPN or VPS to run a MT server? 18:34 Krock subserver 18:34 whitephoenix I really need to read up on lua, I still have almost no idea how to fix this 18:34 Krock garywhite, VPN if you plan to infect other computers with the Minetest server virus 18:34 T4im you're already on a good way whitephoenix, don't give up 18:34 Krock garywhite, VPS if you want to host it legally 18:35 garywhite ok 18:35 T4im there is worse working code around, than that 18:35 * garywhite looks up some simple VPS services that offer a basic system for free 18:35 T4im the free VPS's are all already used to mine bitcoin 18:35 Krock just get your own RPI and host the stuff self (TM) 18:36 garywhite What's an RPI? 18:36 Krock Raspberry PI 18:36 T4im it's also a TLA 18:36 sfan5 *sigh* 18:36 T4im a three letter acronym 18:36 Krock lol 18:36 Krock like SAM 18:36 garywhite Oh 18:36 sfan5 garywhite: don't use free vps services, it's hard to find anything good for < 5 $ / month 18:37 sfan5 even if you do find a free vps service, they will be bad i guarantee you 18:37 T4im due to being used to mine bitcoin x) 18:37 T4im among other things 18:37 garywhite Well, It's not intended to be a major server, just one that I can run a few mods on and see how they'll work under a little stress 18:37 T4im not sure there are still free vps 18:38 Krock sure there are free ones but they're all buys with mining bitcoins 18:38 T4im probably only very limited on a limited trial basis 18:38 Krock *busy 18:38 BrandonReese buyvm.net cheap VPS allows game servers, good uptime. meh performance but if it's a small server you should be ok 18:38 sfan5 no you didn't understand 18:38 sfan5 DO NOT use free vps services 18:38 Krock ! 18:38 T4im ^^ 18:38 whitephoenix or vpn services 18:38 whitephoenix especailly vpn services 18:38 sfan5 there aren't any good ones because it's obviously a business of loss 18:39 Krock Host yourself (TM) if you want quality (TM) 18:40 Krock unless your upstream speed isn't fast enough 18:40 T4im whitephoenix: ah you mean like that hola botnet? yea 18:40 Krock a spanish botnet? 18:41 T4im "become part of our botneaaa.... eh i mean our free P2P VPN" 18:41 garywhite I kinda have to use a VPS cause my Xfinity internet put me on a cap, and running a server from my home would probably eat it up pretty quick 18:42 Krock or another minetest server hoster would be so kind and host one for you but that's most likely not free too 18:42 T4im Krock: nah, some "service" offering free p2p vpn by having their users install a browser plugin or something like that; some sorts of botnetclient anyway 18:43 T4im they then sell their users computer for things like cheap crawling of websites to paying customers 18:43 T4im just another "if something is free, you're the product" 18:43 Krock T4im, sound awful. But I bet the official Chrome/FF plugin pages already sorted a few of them out 18:44 Krock or even - most 18:44 Krock Minetest steals my HP! 18:44 Krock and kittens 18:44 Krock (for some reason) 18:44 T4im it's still available for all of those 18:44 T4im afaik 18:45 T4im they don't abuse it for illegal means, they just abuse it for legal ones 18:45 T4im allegedly 18:45 T4im the problem is, that users don't know about being abused like that 18:47 T4im it's like if you'd use facebook/google without knowing that your surf behavior is analyzed across all websites; or would use windows 10 without knowing that they reserve the right to look through all your files 18:47 T4im but of course at least there people know about that :) 18:48 TheMeowingTiger why everybody wants to host a freaking mt server? 18:48 * Krock quickly removes the free proxy client from his plugins 18:48 TheMeowingTiger people have to learn that hosting a server is not fun, it's just pain 18:48 TheMeowingTiger and responsability 18:48 Krock it's fun once it works 18:49 TheMeowingTiger and then you have to recruit staff 18:49 Krock except you make a chaos server 18:49 Krock an anarchy one 18:50 TheMeowingTiger garywhite: just find a server you like and play there 18:50 TheMeowingTiger if there's something you want to be different, just suggest it to the server owner 18:50 Krock "but.. but.. there's no nice server" 18:50 agaran hello 18:50 Krock hi agaran 18:50 T4im hello 18:50 garywhite Yeah, sfan5 is right 18:50 TheMeowingTiger Buttatoes is an amazing example of player. He found a lot of things on Megaf Server that needed fixing 18:51 TheMeowingTiger and we fixed almost all upstream, on minetest and minetest_game 18:51 TheMeowingTiger not to mention mod bugs 18:51 TheMeowingTiger agaran helped a lot too with suggestions 18:51 T4im if you want to find mod bugs, why not just run shakedown over all of them? 18:51 agaran did I? 18:51 TheMeowingTiger so garywhite, find a server you like an suggest changes 18:51 TheMeowingTiger agaran: you did :) 18:52 TheMeowingTiger your latest contribution is the deck mod 18:52 Krock TheMeowingTiger, please add technic 18:52 T4im :D 18:52 T4im +1 18:53 * Krock does not know which server is meant but knows that it needs more technic 18:53 T4im that's likely a good guess, yes 18:53 Krock ^^ 18:54 agaran lol 18:56 TheMeowingTiger lol 18:56 * TheMeowingTiger thinks people dont know who he is. 18:57 * Krock tells the tiger to do /nick _Megaf 18:57 agaran some do know 18:57 T4im ah right, megaf not here, let's talk about him! 18:57 T4im oh 18:57 T4im snap 18:57 Krock I don't know who you are but I know that you're in Dublin 18:57 T4im let's not do it now 18:57 _Megaf xP 18:57 T4im lets wait 18:58 _Megaf oh 18:58 * T4im laughs 18:58 * _Megaf runs away and hides 18:58 Krock LittleCuteKitten 18:58 LittleRoaryTiger nah, I'm a tiger, my ex said so 18:58 * LittleRoaryTiger hides 18:58 Krock or LittleFluffyCuteKitten 18:59 LittleRoaryTiger meh, I just took an awesme night photo of my backyard 19:00 LittleRoaryTiger that I can't share because of a ton of private EXIF data 19:00 LittleRoaryTiger including copyright stuff 19:00 PR4472 why not remove EXIF? 19:00 LittleRoaryTiger let me see if I can get rid off the EXIF 19:00 LittleRoaryTiger will make a tiff without exif 19:01 T4im "apt-get install mat" 19:01 T4im or what ever your linux uses 19:01 Krock sudo make me a sandwich 19:01 T4im mat = metadata anonymisation toolkit 19:01 Krock apt-get install floor mat 19:02 PR4472 sudo review pr 4472 19:02 LittleRoaryTiger T4im: just saving as PNG after correcting white balance 19:02 T4im png has metadata, too 19:02 PR4472 if you use windows it has an option to remove exif builtin 19:03 Krock T4im, MAT is also TLA 19:03 T4im correct 19:03 PR4472 TLA? 19:03 LittleRoaryTiger can I run mat on PNG? 19:03 T4im yes 19:03 T4im you can run it on all images and documents 19:04 T4im it's a good step doing before any media publishing 19:04 Krock PR4472, three letter acronym 19:04 PR4472 so it describes itself? 19:05 Krock yes, self-describing 19:05 T4im tla is a tla, yes 19:05 Krock ^^ 19:05 LittleRoaryTiger T4im: well, often I do need to want all metadata I can get 19:05 PR4472 3LA is a TLA? 19:05 LittleRoaryTiger so I can get all rights on my own image 19:05 Krock PR4472, depends if it's an acronym 19:05 LittleRoaryTiger by the way, you gottal ove my terminal icon on my screenshots 19:05 Krock if so, then it's a TLA, otherwise trash 19:05 T4im in a sense we can let it slide as a tla, even though it's technically a odatla 19:06 LittleRoaryTiger s/ove/love 19:06 PR4472 3 Letter acronym 19:06 LittleRoaryTiger insomnia, epic song 19:06 LittleRoaryTiger old school 19:06 LittleRoaryTiger ww 19:06 LittleRoaryTiger wow 19:07 T4im LittleRoaryTiger: your copyright should be unaffected by the lack of geographical location or camera used 19:07 LittleRoaryTiger T4im: I right copyright info on exif with my camera, and my full name 19:07 Krock T4im, and what's ODA (-TLA)? 19:07 T4im well 3 is a digit, not a letter, is it? 19:08 Krock yes 19:08 Krock unless you're too 1337y 19:08 LittleRoaryTiger just checked with mat, gimp export to png got rid of all exif 19:08 LittleRoaryTiger and metadata 19:08 PR4472 we need more ETLA's 19:08 agaran I wish some servers would have 'no youtuber' policy.. 19:08 LittleRoaryTiger I asked it to not save anything 19:09 PR4472 agaran why? 19:09 LittleRoaryTiger agaran: no youtubers on our server 19:09 LittleRoaryTiger well, we had some in the past, long ago 19:09 LittleRoaryTiger but not recently 19:09 LittleRoaryTiger mostly because I don't give interact to them 19:09 agaran PR4472: because I don't like them flying with noclip to my place on some server? not even asking if I am ok with that? 19:09 Krock having youtubers is nice but kids pretending to be famous is not funny 19:09 T4im LittleRoaryTiger: full name in images? that's quite courageous :D 19:09 whitephoenix on a minetest server running in command-line can I somehow issue server commands from the command-line? 19:09 agaran if you ask me, I'd prefer sending them some tactical nuclear warhead.. just to be sure they get other fun to do.. 19:10 T4im unless you're a professional photographer, i guess 19:10 LittleRoaryTiger T4im: If I publish a professional image on my professional portipholio on my professional website I want my name on my photo 19:10 LittleRoaryTiger ;) 19:10 Krock whitephoenix, compile your binary with ncurses 19:10 T4im yea, ok 19:10 T4im so professional photographer, got it :D 19:10 whitephoenix Krock, oh, is it safe to close the server with ^C? 19:11 T4im that's seems a different situation, yea 19:11 LittleRoaryTiger Actually I never made a single cent with my photos, but still 19:11 LittleRoaryTiger xP 19:11 PR4472 agaran do many servers have noclip enabled? 19:11 Krock whitephoenix, yeah. always did that when I ran it on winblows and it worked fine 19:11 agaran PR4472: I don't know but on this particular person had noclip.. 19:11 PR4472 I though most had it disbled? 19:11 whitephoenix alright 19:11 Krock PR4472, all have noclip enabled since it's a builtin priv 19:11 agaran hence I'd prefer to reply with warhead, to be sure that my mesage got thru.. (and yes you can hack it) 19:12 Krock but not all players have that privilege granted 19:12 T4im LittleRoaryTiger: but you probably still put a wall between your professional life and your minetest hobby? 19:13 LittleRoaryTiger T4im: Megaf is a totally isolated personality 19:13 T4im especially in minetest, where there is the potential of impossible kids 19:13 LittleRoaryTiger from my personal life 19:13 T4im smart :) 19:13 LittleRoaryTiger Megaf has it's own Skype, facebook, Google Plus, twitter, flickr, GIT repos and so on 19:14 LittleRoaryTiger fun fact, Megaf is much older on the internet than the real me 19:14 PR4472 well then It;s more of a problem of owners granting noclip to random players then youtubers 19:15 agaran PR4472: well I don't care if random person flies thru but I never permitted my place to be published, see point? 19:15 PR4472 I see 19:15 Krock LittleRoaryTiger, you need snapchat, whatsapp, IRC and Tox too 19:15 agaran besides that person was rude, going to my place uninvited etc.. but you are right, maybe time to change server 19:15 PR4472 I guess that makes sense 19:16 whitephoenix >the illustrated server creation guide 19:16 whitephoenix has no illustrations 10/10 19:16 PR4472 11/10 19:16 Krock it has, but they are throwing 404 19:17 LittleRoaryTiger Krock: Megaf has Tox and IRC 19:17 LittleRoaryTiger snapshat and whatsapp I dont use at all 19:17 whitephoenix wow I got a youtube comment on each of my mods, I think the only place I shared one was on reddit 19:17 Krock looks like a moderator edited that topic after Sept 11 19:17 LittleRoaryTiger my real me uses Signal tho 19:17 Krock whitephoenix, how about your one million chinese subscribers? 19:18 Krock did they not see the new video? 19:18 whitephoenix videos are unlisted 19:18 LittleRoaryTiger Ok, finally got the JPG with stripped metadata uploaded. This is my backyard. It is very dark on this photo. 30 seconds of exposure :) http://git.megaf.info/Megaf/GitPaste/src/master/photo_experiments/IMG_1148.JPG 19:18 whitephoenix so apparently some people have been finding my website somehow 19:18 Krock ah. 19:19 Krock too orange for me 19:19 LittleRoaryTiger let me fix that for you 19:19 Krock just turn it black & white 19:19 Krock with no greyish tones in between 19:20 whitephoenix still waiting to see some spooky halloween mods 19:20 LittleRoaryTiger note, is dark, technically there's no colour 19:20 LittleRoaryTiger whitephoenix: I started a project, waiting for people to contribute 19:20 LittleRoaryTiger Shara has been working on something 19:20 PR4472 whats the project? 19:21 Krock https://github.com/Megaf/halloween_mod 19:21 LittleRoaryTiger there's nothing there yet 19:21 LittleRoaryTiger will be adding this week ported from Shara stuff 19:22 Krock I like to do reviews but don't have the motivation to draw textures that will look in any case crappy 19:23 agaran well textures are my usual problem.. I can even do mesh in blender.. 19:23 Krock neat 19:24 PR4472 yeah pixel art is hard 19:24 Krock I'm this kind of graphics designer: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/minetest/minetest/master/games/minimal/mods/default/textures/default_mese.png 19:25 Krock best mese texture ever. Seriously. 19:26 saveSuperflShade old one 19:26 Krock hi Fixer 19:26 PR4472 +4472 19:26 agaran some people like that kind of stuff.. friends @work toy with 8bit computers.. not emulators, real hardware.. 19:26 saveSuperflShade hi Krock 19:27 LittleRoaryTiger Krock: with greenish tones here http://git.megaf.info/Megaf/GitPaste/raw/master/photo_experiments/IMG_1148_CORRECTED.JPG 19:27 LittleRoaryTiger and black and white http://git.megaf.info/Megaf/GitPaste/raw/master/photo_experiments/IMG_1148_BW.JPG 19:27 LittleRoaryTiger not happy with levels tho 19:27 LittleRoaryTiger and JPG is degrating quality a lot 19:27 Krock still, looks nice :) 19:27 LittleRoaryTiger the bright thing on the top right corner is the moon covered but a thick dark cloud 19:28 LittleRoaryTiger the corrected to green version I quite like actually 19:30 * LittleRoaryTiger listening to Sandstorm - Darude :) 19:32 Krock go for Darude Astley. SOmeone took the time to mix both songs 19:32 LittleRoaryTiger Oo 19:32 * LittleRoaryTiger searches 19:32 LittleRoaryTiger I was jus following this https://play.spotify.com/user/spotify_uk_/playlist/5UYhZCbxqlZ0CtWJDjW3e7 19:33 agaran cat5: why not cat6 or cat7? 19:33 agaran 10GbE for the win 19:33 LittleRoaryTiger agaran: justb e happy is not a coaxial 19:33 LittleRoaryTiger or even token 19:34 Krock LittleRoaryTiger, it's on YT 19:34 agaran LittleRoaryTiger: well today we got 'complain' email that one of our interconnect is limited to 40GbE.. 19:34 agaran not scaling up as intended to 80GbE.. 19:34 agaran so.. /me gets quiet 19:34 LittleRoaryTiger Krock: is this is it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQoA_wjmE9w 19:34 LittleRoaryTiger !title 19:34 MinetestBot LittleRoaryTiger: Darude Astley - Sandroll - YouTube 19:35 Krock yes, LittleRoaryTiger 19:35 LittleRoaryTiger it sounds 19:35 LittleRoaryTiger interesting 19:35 LittleRoaryTiger but 19:35 * LittleRoaryTiger dont likes dat 19:35 * Krock accepts 19:36 agaran Krock: we did ack that too.. not our fault really, but sure I'd prefer having faster links.. drives are permanently connected via too slow interface.. 19:36 LittleRoaryTiger Krock: sounds epic at 2x speed tho 19:37 Krock agaran, 80 Gbit/s sounds damn fast 19:37 agaran it is.. but some stuff can saturate 20Gbps links.. so 40GbE interconnect is not enough (tm) 19:39 LittleRoaryTiger [17:12:19] --> LazyJ (~LazyJ@c-24-16-203-134.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #Megaf 19:39 LittleRoaryTiger How the heck did he found my secret place? 19:39 LittleRoaryTiger find* 19:39 LittleRoaryTiger oh now, no longer secret 19:39 agaran it is not -that- hard to guess.. 19:39 LittleRoaryTiger oh no* 19:40 LittleRoaryTiger That's why it's hard, because is evident 19:40 LittleRoaryTiger evident is hard 19:40 Krock LittleRoaryTiger, *she, AFAIK 19:41 whitephoenix trying to install mesecons on a server, got two errors 19:41 LittleRoaryTiger oh no! They are invading my secret place! 19:54 Megaf eh, #Megaf is one, full of people now, largest number of people there since 2009 19:54 Megaf s/one/done 20:00 whitephoenix Players want /home, I think its super overpowered, thoughts? 20:01 Megaf I think home priv is a valid default priv 20:01 Megaf I grant shout,fast,home, as default 20:01 Megaf interact n request 20:01 Megaf on* 20:01 Megaf my keyboard is too slow for my fingers 20:01 Megaf and my fingers too slow for brain 20:05 whitephoenix Megaf, how do you set default privs? 20:08 agaran whitephoenix: default_privs = shout 20:08 agaran in minetest.conf 20:09 whitephoenix I must be blind, I don't see minetest.conf 20:10 Megaf whitephoenix: oh no 20:10 Megaf whitephoenix: what OS are you using? 20:10 Megaf or windows? 20:10 Krock join the game and enter /set default_privs shout 20:10 whitephoenix this is a linux server 20:10 whitephoenix oh okay 20:11 whitephoenix then can I grant existing players a priv all at once? 20:11 DI3HARD139 assuming a debian based os is being used: /home//.minetest You may have to do ctrl + h to unhide it 20:12 Krock not sure. maybe you'll need a mod to do it manually 20:12 whitephoenix nope isn't there 20:12 DI3HARD139 You may also have to manually create it if the client hasn't been launched 20:13 whitephoenix :%s/shout/shout,home/g worked well 20:16 whitephoenix huh xdecor has an error too 20:18 T4im tell me more 20:19 whitephoenix xdecor attempt to call field copy 20:20 whitephoenix sorry log scrolled past it now 20:20 Krock too bad. restart 20:20 whitephoenix if I compiled minetest for the server would everyone else's slightly older clients work? 20:21 whitephoenix I'll open an issue when I can restart the server 20:22 Krock c'mon, IRC-OPs 20:50 kaeza whitephoenix, you can probably connect 0.4.3 clients to 0.4.14 20:50 whitephoenix alright thanks 20:51 kaeza other than missing stuff on the client, I don't think there would be any problems 20:51 kaeza the client protocols are amazingly backwards-compatible 20:52 kaeza (FWIW, the game is (was?) also able to load pre-0.4 worlds) 21:29 MinetestBot 02[git] 04Nestorfish -> 03minetest/minetestmapper: TileGenerator: free database resources (#38) 1326b6293 https://git.io/vPrJB (152016-10-13T23:26:59+02:00) 21:31 MinetestBot 02[git] 04lhofhansl -> 03minetest/minetest: Use range-based fog instead of z-plane based. 130ad40fd https://git.io/vPrJM (152016-10-13T23:30:15+02:00) 21:31 sfan5 kaeza: some code for the flat-directory format remains in server.cpp IIRC 21:44 Calinou kaeza: the game still can load 0.3 worlds 21:44 Calinou but, 0.2 worlds prior to 0.2_20110922 need to be converted to SQLite 21:44 kaeza sfan5, Calinou, nice to know 21:45 Calinou [git] lhofhansl -> minetest/minetest: Use range-based fog instead of z-plane based. 0ad40fd https://git.io/vPrJM (2016-10-13T23:30:15+02:00) 21:45 Calinou only took Minetest 6 years to do it, compared to Minecraft :^) 21:45 sfan5 2017 will be the year of the linux desktop 21:45 sfan5 i mean 21:45 sfan5 minetest on the desktop 21:46 T4im i only saw earlier; there's finally copy paste for linux? :o 21:46 Calinou T4im: yeah... blame Irrlicht 21:46 T4im i know 21:46 T4im but.. didn't hear that it was fixed \o/ that's great 21:47 Calinou this is why general-purpose game engines are winning the battle: they come with unmatched desktop integration on all platforms 21:47 Calinou (or at least, they try to) 21:47 Calinou your random self-made engine doesn't 22:04 saveSuperflShade sfan5: 2017 will be the year of the Minetest desktop 22:05 saveSuperflShade Calinou: i'm not really sure someone even thinked about the fog 22:26 garywhite What is the minetest desktop? 22:26 whitephoenix would anyone happen to know what causes this error? http://i.imgur.com/WWDjI0I.png 22:27 whitephoenix 2 players on this server are complaining about it 22:29 Persi[m] garywhite: I think it's just meant to be a joke, like those posts that used to be on Slashdot all the time 22:33 garywhite oh ok 22:36 Persi[m] garywhite: you know the ones, like "2004 will be the year of the linux desktop" 22:36 garywhite Oh ok, or like "2015 will be the year of the worst Windows ever" 22:37 whitephoenix $current_year + 1 will be the year of the linux desktop 22:39 Persi[m] Funny thing, back then I actually believed it 22:41 T4im that there would be a hype? 22:41 T4im or a worse windows? 22:41 sfan5 whitephoenix: that error has nothing to do with unicode and might be caused by an incompatibility 22:41 sfan5 or a network error 22:42 whitephoenix huh alright 22:42 T4im hm, I've see a lot of serialization errors too lately, different ones though; is there any way finding out, what is being serialized wrongly? 22:42 whitephoenix server was just compiled from git, I think everyone is just running 0.4.14 so that could be it 22:42 T4im "Client::handleCommand_ActiveObjectMessages: caught SerializationError: deSerializeString: couldn't read all chars" 22:42 sfan5 well it already tells you 22:43 T4im hm.. can't it tell a bit more? like what object it is? 22:43 whitephoenix mods are deathsounds, sprint, travelnet, wield3d, xdecor, mobs, hudbars, and rms 22:43 whitephoenix anyways not real important, no one is having other issues 22:44 sfan5 mods should not be able to cause these kind of issues 22:44 whitephoenix I did see a closed issue about something similar in single player 22:44 whitephoenix but that caused an actual crash https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2541