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00:07 greeter hmm, the game isn't in creative mode yet it still just gives me the items, not too survival like lol
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00:20 whitephoenix So whats a good place to learn lua better? I made some cool mods but I probably made some mistakes with scope and stuff
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00:38 whitephoenix So are chat colors a thing?
00:39 sfan5 ye
00:39 sfan5 in the dev release
00:39 sfan5 oh wait you know that already
00:40 whitephoenix so no documentation yet?
00:40 sfan5 https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1788
00:41 whitephoenix somehow I missed that, thanks
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00:52 strayko Hi, someone knows how to fix this problem http://prntscr.com/ct5osh ?
00:53 sfan5 the android is probably not updated yet
00:53 sfan5 try building 0.4.14 instead of latest
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01:33 strayko took a 0.4.14 make stopped at this http://prntscr.com/ct60ty
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04:29 whitephoenix Can I change a nodebox's texture on right click somehow?
04:39 agaran you can make nodebox swap for other one on right click, that has same properties but different texture
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13:03 blerttt i see corals have been added to the minetest game https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/com​mit/3d26b33e5bad60ebb4fe459e011abefe130dbc3b where can i find them?
13:06 FreeFull blerttt: I'd be looking somewhere in deep water, assuming they are actually being generated
13:07 FreeFull Looking at that commit, it doesn't seem to make them generate
13:08 FreeFull blerttt: For now you'll probably just have to give yourself some
13:08 blerttt they will probably make them generate later
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13:09 FreeFull Yeah, probably
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14:24 Krock hi swift110
14:28 swift110 hey Krock
14:29 Krock how are you, swift110 ?
14:29 swift110 anyone on telegram?
14:29 swift110 good
14:29 Krock I don't have telegram
14:29 Krock Tox for the win
14:34 swift110 o
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14:44 twoelk mh, we have Tux and Tox and Tax and even Tex  means something - but has Tix a meaning?
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14:47 swift110 ok
14:50 nm0i dev-tcltk/tix
14:50 nm0i A widget library for Tcl/Tk
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15:34 MinetestBot [git] raymoo -> minetest/minetest: Attached particle spawners c9e7a27 https://git.io/vPVhp (2016-10-13T17:33:16+02:00)
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15:46 whitephoenix probably a noob question but how can I store a variable on a per-player basis?
15:46 T4im save it in a table with the player name as key
15:47 T4im something like local favorite_building_materials = {} with favorite_building_materials["whitephonix"] = "cobble"
15:48 T4im :)
15:50 whitephoenix T4im, but wouldn't that get deleted on reboot?
15:50 whitephoenix on server restart I should say
15:50 T4im yes; if you need it restored, you can serialize/deserialize the table
15:50 T4im minetest.serialize() or something like that
15:51 T4im depending on the variable, the place to do that, might vary
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15:51 T4im player join/leave, actual actual like building a node, or server init/shutdown etc. etc.
15:52 T4im that was way too actual
15:53 whitephoenix I'm not sure I understand, serialize stores a table in a string, and deserialize loads it, so I'd have to make a text file that deserializes the players thing when they join right?
15:53 red-001 if it's something thats updated a lot you might want to only save it every 5 minutes and a shutdown
15:53 red-001 at*
15:53 T4im yes that string can then be written or read later from a file
15:54 T4im via common io
15:54 whitephoenix alright thanks
15:54 whitephoenix its for a 'mana' type system
15:54 red-001 would that get updated a lot?
15:54 MinetestBot [git] sfan5 -> Uberi/Minetest-WorldEdit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'tmp/hollowpyramid' 6e2e238 https://git.io/vPwfc (2016-10-13T17:51:01+02:00)
15:55 whitephoenix red-001, I'm thinking just when they use an item/node to gain mana or use it
15:56 red-001 you might want to use something like minetest.after() to only save it once a minute or something like that
15:56 T4im loosing mana due to a power failure, doesn't seem too big of an issue, is it?
15:57 red-001 well server failures can be caused bu other things
15:57 whitephoenix not really
15:57 whitephoenix I should also proabably save it on shutdown
15:57 red-001 segfaults, lua errors, etc
15:58 T4im player leave/join perhaps
15:58 T4im red-001: yes, but the problem caused by it seems recoverable
15:58 T4im it's not like its item loss or world corruption
15:58 red-001 ?
15:58 red-001 how is it diffrent from item lose?
15:59 red-001 the player still loses something that took time to gain
15:59 T4im never played one of those magic mods; just assumed it's about as rare to come by like stamina
15:59 red-001 <whitephoenix> red-001, I'm thinking just when they use an item/node to gain mana
15:59 whitephoenix yeah its not gonna regenerate automatically like some mana in games
15:59 T4im ah, ok
16:00 red-001 then you should save it automactly
16:00 * red-001 thinks that someone should just merge the player atributes PR
16:05 whitephoenix some syntax highlighting on the PIL would go a long way
16:10 sfan5 hm
16:10 sfan5 why can't you attach metadata to players yet?
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16:25 Krock detached inventories are a kind of metadata IIRC
16:25 Krock err.. they're not attached to players
16:25 red-001 see https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/4155
16:27 whitephoenix seems like 20% of my time spent modding is search then noticing that there is an open PR for a feature I want
16:29 Krock spent a bit more than a hour to rework this awful styled mod: https://github.com/Tmanyo/serv​er_helper/blob/master/init.lua
16:30 red-001 whitephoenix well minetest is understaffed
16:30 whitephoenix I know, I understand
16:31 whitephoenix I want to start contributing soon
16:31 whitephoenix just most of the stuff I see going on is above my head
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16:44 garywhite Hi
16:47 Krock meow, Mewgaf
16:48 Mewgaf Mew because meow is too mainstream
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16:52 whitephoenix I keep crashing the game
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17:14 swift110 hey
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17:42 whitephoenix I'm so confused right now, are minetest mods not allowed to create files?
17:42 T4im with security enabled they are limited to where
17:42 T4im world and mod directory only
17:42 T4im i think
17:43 whitephoenix this should be putting it in my mod folder
17:43 whitephoenix I must just have a problem with my lua that I can't see
17:43 T4im not entirely sure about mod directory actually
17:43 T4im but that file belongs to the world path anyway
17:43 T4im it's world specific, isn't it?
17:43 whitephoenix yeah it should be, I've just been trying to test in the mods dir though
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17:45 whitephoenix wow yep
17:45 whitephoenix worlds folder only
17:45 whitephoenix that was driving me insane, seems like there should be an error saying it tried to write to somewhere it can't
17:46 * T4im nods
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17:50 garywhite How do I get the latest build from GitHub?
17:50 whitephoenix compile it or download releases from https://github.com/minetest/minetest/releases
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17:51 garywhite I want to download the nightly build, that link is the official 4.14
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17:52 twoelk if you are on linux you could use Calinoue's one line command
17:52 garywhite No, Windows 7
17:53 twoelk then you are out of luck
17:54 twoelk https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.ph​p?f=42&amp;t=6745&amp;p=235897#p235897 <- the latest build for windows
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17:55 whitephoenix oh come on
17:55 Krock I could make you a nightly one if you find a 2nd person who wants it
17:55 whitephoenix now I keep seeing my file popup in the world dir then get deleted immediately
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17:55 garywhite This is fine, thanks
17:57 red-001 krock do you know how to build an x64 version of minetest in msvc15?
17:57 red-001 I only got 32-bit version working
17:57 T4im great, now you shooshed away the linux4Ever guy with all that msvc talk :o
17:57 Krock red-001, 1.5 times "no". I don't know how to x64 but MSVC works the same way on all versions
17:58 Krock T4im, hehe
17:58 Krock You'll need to get the x64 libraries and then let MSVC15 compile it with the target x64
17:59 Krock well, you'd need two cmake build dirs. Once for x86, and the 2nd for x64
18:00 twoelk how long does compiling take on your current setup Krock?
18:00 Krock twoelk, 3 mins for incremental, otherwise up to 6 mins
18:00 Krock with my old setup I would have 6 mins and 15 mins
18:00 Krock :3
18:00 twoelk hehe and when you started?
18:01 twoelk ninja'd
18:01 Krock huh?
18:01 twoelk I thought it took longer though
18:01 Krock no, when I started it was ~10 mins and 20 mins
18:01 Krock then I had a mainboard switch, and now again
18:02 Krock well, now it's a different HDD but with the same files (mirror)
18:03 twoelk I gave up on trying to make a portable setup for compiling Minetest
18:03 Krock stupid mainboard does not have IDE connectors anymore
18:03 whitephoenix msvc must be way slower than gcc
18:03 Krock whitephoenix, depends on CPU
18:03 Krock and optimizations
18:03 whitephoenix FX 6300 I compiled minetest in about 40 seconds
18:03 Krock twoelk, portable and setup are the opposites IMO
18:04 Krock whitephoenix, that's a newer CPU than mine
18:04 twoelk not really
18:04 Krock and mingw/gcc also does incremental linking which speeds it up a lot
18:04 TheMeowingTiger [19:03:56] <whitephoenix> FX 6300 I compiled minetest in about 40 seconds
18:04 Krock for some reasons it's disabled for MSVC
18:04 twoelk on a portable setup you have to tweak the toolchain to work together even more
18:04 * MSVC has a pentuim d
18:04 TheMeowingTiger I think my Phenom II x4 955 BE beats that
18:05 TheMeowingTiger at 3,2 GHz
18:05 Krock MSVC, better as if you had a celeron D
18:05 whitephoenix maybe
18:05 * garywhite has an i5 vPro
18:05 whitephoenix I don't think I was using -j5 or whatever though
18:05 * Krock has Core 2 Quad
18:05 TheMeowingTiger but I don't have access to my Phenom anymore
18:05 whitephoenix I should try it on my i7 laptop to test it
18:05 MSVC krock do you run generate version?
18:06 Krock whitephoenix, better don't https://xkcd.com/303/
18:06 Krock MSVC, err what?
18:06 Krock whitephoenix, get a coffee while it's compiling. that's much better
18:06 whitephoenix yeah I suppose so
18:07 MSVC do you do Built all when doing a incremental  build or do you just build minetest?
18:07 whitephoenix lua seems kinda hard to me, I'm too used to python
18:08 Krock I build it with the defaults. Incremental - everything but the linker is incremental
18:09 MSVC It can be a lot faster to build without generate version when you are doing an incremental  build
18:09 Krock I only run CMake when I update a library path. When the Cmakelists.txt file updated, it runs automatically anyway
18:09 Krock *file got updated
18:10 MSVC It has to recomplie more files if the generat version project is run
18:10 Krock yes, because it empties the progress of the incremental build and starts from scratch
18:10 whitephoenix http://i.imgur.com/LBZprao.png anyone see what I'm doing wrong? this has been bugging me
18:11 Krock whitephoenix, minetest.deserialize obviously failed
18:11 Krock lol
18:11 Krock interesting code btw
18:12 Krock whitephoenix, add print(dump(spark_count)) at line 8
18:13 Krock ping, whitephoenix
18:13 whitephoenix alright just a sec
18:13 T4im and localize your globals
18:13 whitephoenix alright
18:14 whitephoenix I'm sure theres lots of problems, I've used nothing but python for a long time
18:14 Krock it would be nice if we could compress the output of minetest.serialize
18:14 Krock data files would get a lot smaller
18:15 Krock *there are lots
18:15 T4im well; avoid globals when possible; they are shared among mods and can create bugs, like the technic drill and the replacer won't work if a mod is loaded which assigns above globally for some reason
18:15 T4im "above"
18:16 Krock what a luck that locals have priority over globals
18:16 T4im also lua is quite slow with globals; while local variables are limite to the stack and won't ever be a performance problem
18:16 T4im Krock: yea :D
18:16 T4im that would mess up even more
18:17 T4im the performance thing is usually not a problem; but best practices can save you from accidentally creating one
18:17 Krock nice window style. I wonder if it's avalable for Raspian too
18:18 T4im Krock: install linux; it has lots of nice styles like that
18:19 T4im whitephoenix: good you read the while in-total though
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18:20 T4im but, doesn't io.read need the file handle too?
18:20 Krock oh right, yes
18:20 kaeza Greetings.
18:20 Krock o/ kaeza
18:20 whitephoenix T4im, I think using : passes self
18:21 T4im yes
18:21 whitephoenix oh wait nevermind idk
18:21 Krock either io.read(fs, "*all") or fs:read("*all")
18:21 T4im ^^
18:21 Krock T4im, Raspian is Linux
18:21 Krock just a very crappy distribution
18:22 T4im "io.read" without file descriptor should read from STDIn
18:22 T4im stdin*
18:23 kaeza <Krock> it would be nice if we could compress the output of minetest.serialize
18:23 kaeza https://gist.github.com/kaeza/6​11b22c81835894887643c06684e2cac
18:23 Krock you're doing something that I never do. Reading the logs
18:23 kaeza :D
18:24 kaeza but you said that like 5 minutes ago
18:24 kaeza Krock, oh, and just for fun: https://github.com/mathiasbynens/luamin
18:25 Krock I thought more about a C++ zlib implementation
18:25 T4im lol
18:25 T4im written in javascript
18:25 kaeza ^ :( sadly
18:25 whitephoenix Krock, window style is flatabulous_arc
18:26 whitephoenix I'd imagine it works on lxde
18:26 Krock thanks :D
18:26 whitephoenix though you might have to build it
18:32 garywhite to run a minetest server, do I use a VPN or a VPS?
18:32 TheMeowingTiger eh
18:32 TheMeowingTiger VPN = Virtual Private Network
18:32 TheMeowingTiger you connect several computers in a closed network over the internet
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18:33 TheMeowingTiger VPS = Virtual Private Server
18:33 TheMeowingTiger it's a "partition" of a real server
18:34 garywhite So do I use VPN or VPS to run a MT server?
18:34 Krock subserver
18:34 whitephoenix I really need to read up on lua, I still have almost no idea how to fix this
18:34 Krock garywhite, VPN if you plan to infect other computers with the Minetest server virus
18:34 T4im you're already on a good way whitephoenix, don't give up
18:34 Krock garywhite, VPS if you want to host it legally
18:35 garywhite ok
18:35 T4im there is worse working code around, than that
18:35 * garywhite looks up some simple VPS services that offer a basic system for free
18:35 T4im the free VPS's are all already used to mine bitcoin
18:35 Krock just get your own RPI and host the stuff self (TM)
18:36 garywhite What's an RPI?
18:36 Krock Raspberry PI
18:36 T4im it's also a TLA
18:36 sfan5 *sigh*
18:36 T4im a three letter acronym
18:36 Krock lol
18:36 Krock like SAM
18:36 garywhite Oh
18:36 sfan5 garywhite: don't use free vps services, it's hard to find anything good for < 5 $ / month
18:37 sfan5 even if you do find a free vps service, they will be bad i guarantee you
18:37 T4im due to being used to mine bitcoin x)
18:37 T4im among other things
18:37 garywhite Well, It's not intended to be a major server, just one that I can run a few mods on and see how they'll work under a little stress
18:37 T4im not sure there are still free vps
18:38 Krock sure there are free ones but they're all buys with mining bitcoins
18:38 T4im probably only very limited on a limited trial basis
18:38 Krock *busy
18:38 BrandonReese buyvm.net cheap VPS allows game servers, good uptime. meh performance but if it's a small server you should be ok
18:38 sfan5 no you didn't understand
18:38 sfan5 DO NOT use free vps services
18:38 Krock !
18:38 T4im ^^
18:38 whitephoenix or vpn services
18:38 whitephoenix especailly vpn services
18:38 sfan5 there aren't any good ones because it's obviously a business of loss
18:39 Krock Host yourself (TM) if you want quality (TM)
18:40 Krock unless your upstream speed isn't fast enough
18:40 T4im whitephoenix: ah you mean like that hola botnet? yea
18:40 Krock a spanish botnet?
18:41 T4im "become part of our botneaaa.... eh i mean our free P2P VPN"
18:41 garywhite I kinda have to use a VPS cause my Xfinity internet put me on a cap, and running a server from my home would probably eat it up pretty quick
18:42 Krock or another minetest server hoster would be so kind and host one for you but that's most likely not free too
18:42 T4im Krock: nah, some "service" offering free p2p vpn by having their users install a browser plugin or something like that; some sorts of botnetclient anyway
18:43 T4im they then sell their users computer for things like cheap crawling of websites to paying customers
18:43 T4im just another "if something is free, you're the product"
18:43 Krock T4im, sound awful. But I bet the official Chrome/FF plugin pages already sorted a few of them out
18:44 Krock or even - most
18:44 Krock Minetest steals my HP!
18:44 Krock and kittens
18:44 Krock (for some reason)
18:44 T4im it's still available for all of those
18:44 T4im afaik
18:45 T4im they don't abuse it for illegal means, they just abuse it for legal ones
18:45 T4im allegedly
18:45 T4im the problem is, that users don't know about being abused like that
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18:47 T4im it's like if you'd use facebook/google without knowing that your surf behavior is analyzed across all websites; or would use windows 10 without knowing that they reserve the right to look through all your files
18:47 T4im but of course at least there people know about that :)
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18:48 TheMeowingTiger why everybody wants to host a freaking mt server?
18:48 * Krock quickly removes the free proxy client from his plugins
18:48 TheMeowingTiger people have to learn that hosting a server is not fun, it's just pain
18:48 TheMeowingTiger and responsability
18:48 Krock it's fun once it works
18:49 TheMeowingTiger and then you have to recruit staff
18:49 Krock except you make a chaos server
18:49 Krock an anarchy one
18:50 TheMeowingTiger garywhite: just find a server you like and play there
18:50 TheMeowingTiger if there's something you want to be different, just suggest it to the server owner
18:50 Krock "but.. but.. there's no nice server"
18:50 agaran hello
18:50 Krock hi agaran
18:50 T4im hello
18:50 garywhite Yeah, sfan5 is right
18:50 TheMeowingTiger Buttatoes is an amazing example of player. He found a lot of things on Megaf Server that needed fixing
18:51 TheMeowingTiger and we fixed almost all upstream, on minetest and minetest_game
18:51 TheMeowingTiger not to mention mod bugs
18:51 TheMeowingTiger agaran helped a lot too with suggestions
18:51 T4im if you want to find mod bugs, why not just run shakedown over all of them?
18:51 agaran did I?
18:51 TheMeowingTiger so garywhite, find a server you like an suggest changes
18:51 TheMeowingTiger agaran: you did :)
18:52 TheMeowingTiger your latest contribution is the deck mod
18:52 Krock TheMeowingTiger, please add technic
18:52 T4im :D
18:52 T4im +1
18:53 * Krock does not know which server is meant but knows that it needs more technic
18:53 T4im that's likely a good guess, yes
18:53 Krock ^^
18:54 agaran lol
18:56 TheMeowingTiger lol
18:56 * TheMeowingTiger thinks people dont know who he is.
18:57 * Krock tells the tiger to do /nick _Megaf
18:57 agaran some do know
18:57 T4im ah right, megaf not here, let's talk about him!
18:57 T4im oh
18:57 T4im snap
18:57 Krock I don't know who you are but I know that you're in Dublin
18:57 T4im let's not do it now
18:57 _Megaf xP
18:57 T4im lets wait
18:58 _Megaf oh
18:58 * T4im laughs
18:58 * _Megaf runs away and hides
18:58 Krock LittleCuteKitten
18:58 LittleRoaryTiger nah, I'm a tiger, my ex said so
18:58 * LittleRoaryTiger hides
18:58 Krock or LittleFluffyCuteKitten
18:59 LittleRoaryTiger meh, I just took an awesme night photo of my backyard
19:00 LittleRoaryTiger that I can't share because of a ton of private EXIF data
19:00 LittleRoaryTiger including copyright stuff
19:00 PR4472 why not remove EXIF?
19:00 LittleRoaryTiger let me see if I can get rid off the EXIF
19:00 LittleRoaryTiger will make a tiff without exif
19:01 T4im "apt-get install mat"
19:01 T4im or what ever your linux uses
19:01 Krock sudo make me a sandwich
19:01 T4im mat = metadata anonymisation toolkit
19:01 Krock apt-get install floor mat
19:02 PR4472 sudo review pr 4472
19:02 LittleRoaryTiger T4im: just saving as PNG after correcting white balance
19:02 T4im png has metadata, too
19:02 PR4472 if you use windows it has an option to remove exif builtin
19:03 Krock T4im, MAT is also TLA
19:03 T4im correct
19:03 PR4472 TLA?
19:03 LittleRoaryTiger can I run mat on PNG?
19:03 T4im yes
19:03 T4im you can run it on all images and documents
19:04 T4im it's a good step doing before any media publishing
19:04 Krock PR4472, three letter acronym
19:04 PR4472 so it describes itself?
19:05 Krock yes, self-describing
19:05 T4im tla is a tla, yes
19:05 Krock ^^
19:05 LittleRoaryTiger T4im: well, often I do need to want all metadata I can get
19:05 PR4472 3LA is a TLA?
19:05 LittleRoaryTiger so I can get all rights on my own image
19:05 Krock PR4472, depends if it's an acronym
19:05 LittleRoaryTiger by the way, you gottal ove my terminal icon on my screenshots
19:05 Krock if so, then it's a TLA, otherwise trash
19:05 T4im in a sense we can let it slide as a tla, even though it's technically a odatla
19:06 LittleRoaryTiger s/ove/love
19:06 PR4472 3 Letter acronym
19:06 LittleRoaryTiger insomnia, epic song
19:06 LittleRoaryTiger old school
19:06 LittleRoaryTiger ww
19:06 LittleRoaryTiger wow
19:07 T4im LittleRoaryTiger: your copyright should be unaffected by the lack of geographical location or camera used
19:07 LittleRoaryTiger T4im: I right copyright info on exif with my camera, and my full name
19:07 Krock T4im, and what's ODA (-TLA)?
19:07 T4im well 3 is a digit, not a letter, is it?
19:08 Krock yes
19:08 Krock unless you're too 1337y
19:08 LittleRoaryTiger just checked with mat, gimp export to png got rid of all exif
19:08 LittleRoaryTiger and metadata
19:08 PR4472 we need more ETLA's
19:08 agaran I wish some servers would have 'no youtuber' policy..
19:08 LittleRoaryTiger I asked it to not save anything
19:09 PR4472 agaran why?
19:09 LittleRoaryTiger agaran: no youtubers on our server
19:09 LittleRoaryTiger well, we had some in the past, long ago
19:09 LittleRoaryTiger but not recently
19:09 LittleRoaryTiger mostly because I don't give interact to them
19:09 agaran PR4472: because I don't like them flying with noclip to my place on some server? not even asking if I am ok with that?
19:09 Krock having youtubers is nice but kids pretending to be famous is not funny
19:09 T4im LittleRoaryTiger: full name in images? that's quite courageous :D
19:09 whitephoenix on a minetest server running in command-line can I somehow issue server commands from the command-line?
19:09 agaran if you ask me, I'd prefer sending them some tactical nuclear warhead.. just to be sure they get other fun to do..
19:10 T4im unless you're a professional photographer, i guess
19:10 LittleRoaryTiger T4im: If I publish a professional image on my professional portipholio on my professional website I want my name on my photo
19:10 LittleRoaryTiger ;)
19:10 Krock whitephoenix, compile your binary with ncurses
19:10 T4im yea, ok
19:10 T4im so professional photographer, got it :D
19:10 whitephoenix Krock, oh, is it safe to close the server with ^C?
19:11 T4im that's seems a different situation, yea
19:11 LittleRoaryTiger Actually I never made a single cent with my photos, but still
19:11 LittleRoaryTiger xP
19:11 PR4472 agaran do many servers have noclip enabled?
19:11 Krock whitephoenix, yeah. always did that when I ran it on winblows and it worked fine
19:11 agaran PR4472: I don't know but on this particular person had noclip..
19:11 PR4472 I though most had it disbled?
19:11 whitephoenix alright
19:11 Krock PR4472, all have noclip enabled since it's a builtin priv
19:11 agaran hence I'd prefer to reply with warhead, to be sure that my mesage got thru.. (and yes you can hack it)
19:12 Krock but not all players have that privilege granted
19:12 T4im LittleRoaryTiger: but you probably still put a wall between your professional life and your minetest hobby?
19:13 LittleRoaryTiger T4im: Megaf is a totally isolated personality
19:13 T4im especially in minetest, where there is the potential of impossible kids
19:13 LittleRoaryTiger from my personal life
19:13 T4im smart :)
19:13 LittleRoaryTiger Megaf has it's own Skype, facebook, Google Plus, twitter, flickr, GIT repos and so on
19:14 LittleRoaryTiger fun fact, Megaf is much older on the internet than the real me
19:14 PR4472 well then It;s more of a problem of owners granting noclip to random players then youtubers
19:15 agaran PR4472: well I don't care if random person flies thru but I never permitted my place to be published, see point?
19:15 PR4472 I see
19:15 Krock LittleRoaryTiger, you need snapchat, whatsapp, IRC and Tox too
19:15 agaran besides that person was rude, going to my place uninvited etc.. but you are right, maybe time to change server
19:15 PR4472 I guess that makes sense
19:16 whitephoenix >the illustrated server creation guide
19:16 whitephoenix has no illustrations 10/10
19:16 PR4472 11/10
19:16 Krock it has, but they are throwing 404
19:17 LittleRoaryTiger Krock: Megaf has Tox and IRC
19:17 LittleRoaryTiger snapshat and whatsapp I dont use at all
19:17 whitephoenix wow I got a youtube comment on each of my mods, I think the only place I shared one was on reddit
19:17 Krock looks like a moderator edited that topic after Sept 11
19:17 LittleRoaryTiger my real me uses Signal tho
19:17 Krock whitephoenix, how about your one million chinese subscribers?
19:18 Krock did they not see the new video?
19:18 whitephoenix videos are unlisted
19:18 LittleRoaryTiger Ok, finally got the JPG with stripped metadata uploaded. This is my backyard. It is very dark on this photo. 30 seconds of exposure :) http://git.megaf.info/Megaf/GitPaste/sr​c/master/photo_experiments/IMG_1148.JPG
19:18 whitephoenix so apparently some people have been finding my website somehow
19:18 Krock ah.
19:19 Krock too orange for me
19:19 LittleRoaryTiger let me fix that for you
19:19 Krock just turn it black & white
19:19 Krock with no greyish tones in between
19:20 whitephoenix still waiting to see some spooky halloween mods
19:20 LittleRoaryTiger note, is dark, technically there's no colour
19:20 LittleRoaryTiger whitephoenix: I started a project, waiting for people to contribute
19:20 LittleRoaryTiger Shara has been working on something
19:20 PR4472 whats the project?
19:21 Krock https://github.com/Megaf/halloween_mod
19:21 LittleRoaryTiger there's nothing there yet
19:21 LittleRoaryTiger will be adding this week ported from Shara stuff
19:22 Krock I like to do reviews but don't have the motivation to draw textures that will look in any case crappy
19:23 agaran well textures are my usual problem.. I can even do mesh in blender..
19:23 Krock neat
19:24 PR4472 yeah pixel art is hard
19:24 Krock I'm this kind of graphics designer: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/min​etest/minetest/master/games/minimal/m​ods/default/textures/default_mese.png
19:25 Krock best mese texture ever. Seriously.
19:26 saveSuperflShade old one
19:26 Krock hi Fixer
19:26 PR4472 +4472
19:26 agaran some people like that kind of stuff.. friends @work toy with 8bit computers.. not emulators, real hardware..
19:26 saveSuperflShade hi Krock
19:27 LittleRoaryTiger Krock: with greenish tones here http://git.megaf.info/Megaf/GitPaste/raw/mas​ter/photo_experiments/IMG_1148_CORRECTED.JPG
19:27 LittleRoaryTiger and black and white http://git.megaf.info/Megaf/GitPaste/raw/​master/photo_experiments/IMG_1148_BW.JPG
19:27 LittleRoaryTiger not happy with levels tho
19:27 LittleRoaryTiger and JPG is degrating quality a lot
19:27 Krock still, looks nice :)
19:27 LittleRoaryTiger the bright thing on the top right corner is the moon covered but a thick dark cloud
19:28 LittleRoaryTiger the corrected to green version I quite like actually
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19:30 * LittleRoaryTiger listening to Sandstorm - Darude :)
19:32 Krock go for Darude Astley. SOmeone took the time to mix both songs
19:32 LittleRoaryTiger Oo
19:32 * LittleRoaryTiger searches
19:32 LittleRoaryTiger I was jus following this https://play.spotify.com/user/spotify​_uk_/playlist/5UYhZCbxqlZ0CtWJDjW3e7
19:33 agaran cat5: why not cat6 or cat7?
19:33 agaran 10GbE for the win
19:33 LittleRoaryTiger agaran: justb e happy is not a coaxial
19:33 LittleRoaryTiger or even token
19:34 Krock LittleRoaryTiger, it's on YT
19:34 agaran LittleRoaryTiger: well today we got 'complain' email that one of our interconnect is limited to 40GbE..
19:34 agaran not scaling up as intended to 80GbE..
19:34 agaran so.. /me gets quiet
19:34 LittleRoaryTiger Krock: is this is it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQoA_wjmE9w
19:34 LittleRoaryTiger !title
19:34 MinetestBot LittleRoaryTiger: Darude Astley - Sandroll - YouTube
19:35 Krock yes, LittleRoaryTiger
19:35 LittleRoaryTiger it sounds
19:35 LittleRoaryTiger interesting
19:35 LittleRoaryTiger but
19:35 * LittleRoaryTiger dont likes dat
19:35 * Krock accepts
19:36 agaran Krock: we did ack that too.. not our fault really, but sure I'd prefer having faster links.. drives are permanently connected via too slow interface..
19:36 LittleRoaryTiger Krock: sounds epic at 2x speed tho
19:37 Krock agaran, 80 Gbit/s sounds damn fast
19:37 agaran it is.. but some stuff can saturate 20Gbps links.. so 40GbE interconnect is not enough (tm)
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19:39 LittleRoaryTiger How the heck did he found my secret place?
19:39 LittleRoaryTiger find*
19:39 LittleRoaryTiger oh now, no longer secret
19:39 agaran it is not -that- hard to guess..
19:39 LittleRoaryTiger oh no*
19:40 LittleRoaryTiger That's why it's hard, because is evident
19:40 LittleRoaryTiger evident is hard
19:40 Krock LittleRoaryTiger, *she, AFAIK
19:41 whitephoenix trying to install mesecons on a server, got two errors
19:41 LittleRoaryTiger oh no! They are invading my secret place!
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19:54 Megaf eh, #Megaf is one, full of people now, largest number of people there since 2009
19:54 Megaf s/one/done
20:00 whitephoenix Players want /home, I think its super overpowered, thoughts?
20:01 Megaf I think home priv is a valid default priv
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20:01 Megaf I grant shout,fast,home, as default
20:01 Megaf interact n request
20:01 Megaf on*
20:01 Megaf my keyboard is too slow for my fingers
20:01 Megaf and my fingers too slow for brain
20:05 whitephoenix Megaf, how do you set default privs?
20:08 agaran whitephoenix: default_privs = shout
20:08 agaran in minetest.conf
20:09 whitephoenix I must be blind, I don't see minetest.conf
20:10 Megaf whitephoenix: oh no
20:10 Megaf whitephoenix: what OS are you using?
20:10 Megaf or windows?
20:10 Krock join the game and enter /set default_privs shout
20:10 whitephoenix this is a linux server
20:10 whitephoenix oh okay
20:11 whitephoenix then can I grant existing players a priv all at once?
20:11 DI3HARD139 assuming a debian based os is being used: /home/<username>/.minetest You may have to do ctrl + h to unhide it
20:12 Krock not sure. maybe you'll need a mod to do it manually
20:12 whitephoenix nope isn't there
20:12 DI3HARD139 You may also have to manually create it if the client hasn't been launched
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20:13 whitephoenix :%s/shout/shout,home/g worked well
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20:16 whitephoenix huh xdecor has an error too
20:18 T4im tell me more
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20:19 whitephoenix xdecor attempt to call field copy
20:20 whitephoenix sorry log scrolled past it now
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20:20 Krock too bad. restart
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20:20 whitephoenix if I compiled minetest for the server would everyone else's slightly older clients work?
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20:21 whitephoenix I'll open an issue when I can restart the server
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20:22 Krock c'mon, IRC-OPs
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20:50 kaeza whitephoenix, you can probably connect 0.4.3 clients to 0.4.14
20:50 whitephoenix alright thanks
20:51 kaeza other than missing stuff on the client, I don't think there would be any problems
20:51 kaeza the client protocols are amazingly backwards-compatible
20:52 kaeza (FWIW, the game is (was?) also able to load pre-0.4 worlds)
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21:29 MinetestBot [git] Nestorfish -> minetest/minetestmapper: TileGenerator: free database resources (#38) 26b6293 https://git.io/vPrJB (2016-10-13T23:26:59+02:00)
21:31 MinetestBot [git] lhofhansl -> minetest/minetest: Use range-based fog instead of z-plane based. 0ad40fd https://git.io/vPrJM (2016-10-13T23:30:15+02:00)
21:31 sfan5 kaeza: some code for the flat-directory format remains in server.cpp IIRC
21:44 Calinou kaeza: the game still can load 0.3 worlds
21:44 Calinou but, 0.2 worlds prior to 0.2_20110922 need to be converted to SQLite
21:44 kaeza sfan5, Calinou, nice to know
21:45 Calinou <MinetestBot> [git] lhofhansl -> minetest/minetest: Use range-based fog instead of z-plane based. 0ad40fd https://git.io/vPrJM (2016-10-13T23:30:15+02:00)
21:45 Calinou only took Minetest 6 years to do it, compared to Minecraft :^)
21:45 sfan5 2017 will be the year of the linux desktop
21:45 sfan5 i mean
21:45 sfan5 minetest on the desktop
21:46 T4im i only saw earlier; there's finally copy paste for linux? :o
21:46 Calinou T4im: yeah... blame Irrlicht
21:46 T4im i know
21:46 T4im but.. didn't hear that it was fixed \o/ that's great
21:47 Calinou this is why general-purpose game engines are winning the battle: they come with unmatched desktop integration on all platforms
21:47 Calinou (or at least, they try to)
21:47 Calinou your random self-made engine doesn't
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22:04 saveSuperflShade sfan5: 2017 will be the year of the Minetest desktop
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22:05 saveSuperflShade Calinou: i'm not really sure someone even thinked about the fog
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22:26 garywhite What is the minetest desktop?
22:26 whitephoenix would anyone happen to know what causes this error? http://i.imgur.com/WWDjI0I.png
22:27 whitephoenix 2 players on this server are complaining about it
22:29 Persi[m] garywhite: I think it's just meant to be a joke, like those posts that used to be on Slashdot all the time
22:33 garywhite oh ok
22:36 Persi[m] garywhite: you know the ones, like "2004 will be the year of the linux desktop"
22:36 garywhite Oh ok, or like "2015 will be the year of the worst Windows ever"
22:37 whitephoenix $current_year + 1 will be the year of the linux desktop
22:39 Persi[m] Funny thing, back then I actually believed it
22:41 T4im that there would be a hype?
22:41 T4im or a worse windows?
22:41 sfan5 whitephoenix: that error has nothing to do with unicode and might be caused by an incompatibility
22:41 sfan5 or a network error
22:42 whitephoenix huh alright
22:42 T4im hm, I've see a lot of serialization errors too lately, different ones though; is there any way finding out, what is being serialized wrongly?
22:42 whitephoenix server was just compiled from git, I think everyone is just running 0.4.14 so that could be it
22:42 T4im "Client::handleCommand_ActiveObjectMessages: caught SerializationError: deSerializeString: couldn't read all chars"
22:42 sfan5 well it already tells you
22:43 T4im hm.. can't it tell a bit more? like what object it is?
22:43 whitephoenix mods are deathsounds, sprint, travelnet, wield3d, xdecor, mobs, hudbars, and rms
22:43 whitephoenix anyways not real important, no one is having other issues
22:44 sfan5 mods should not be able to cause these kind of issues
22:44 whitephoenix I did see a closed issue about something similar in single player
22:44 whitephoenix but that caused an actual crash https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2541
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