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00:04 whitephoenix I don't suppose there is an easy way to replicate the raillike drawtype's connection feature in a nodebox?
00:04 rubenwardy whitephoenix, connected drawtype?
00:04 whitephoenix I guess when its placed I could just swap the model to one premade that is curved
00:04 rubenwardy Never used it htough
00:06 whitephoenix I don't see a connected node draw type
00:07 whitephoenix http://i.imgur.com/eY25Ohd.png This is what I'm trying for, I guess when its placed I can just check for nearby pipes
00:08 T4im he meant connected nodeboxes
00:08 T4im https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L696
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00:09 T4im pipeworks just swaps the node for example, as did technic, but i think the latter now also uses connected nodeboxes
00:10 whitephoenix oh awesome, thanks
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00:55 whitephoenix I just tried my rms mod on a server, dear god lol
00:55 whitephoenix everyone could hear it, then everyone did the command
00:55 whitephoenix so it was just a million copies of the same rms song
00:58 T4im iirc homedecor toilett flushing had a similar problem once
00:58 Hijiri is it the free software song
00:58 whitephoenix I kind of assumed minetest.sound_play("rms", {  to_player = player, } would only play it to who did the command
00:59 whitephoenix Hijiri, no its gnu/stallman quest
01:00 whitephoenix does anyone see the issue with this? https://github.com/whitephoenix0/​minetest-rms/blob/master/init.lua
01:00 whitephoenix it should just play to the person who did the command
01:01 Hijiri whitephoenix: is player a string?
01:01 Hijiri wait, I'll look at the code
01:01 T4im no
01:01 T4im player-ref
01:01 T4im PlayerRef*
01:01 T4im and yea, that's the problem :)
01:01 Hijiri whitephoenix: yeah, the to_player value needs to be their name
01:01 Hijiri a string
01:02 T4im also name of chatcommands can theoretically be nil
01:02 T4im you should check for that
01:02 Hijiri tfw no static types
01:03 Hijiri I would try using purescript or something that has potential to compile to lua, but a naive compilation would probably have lots of table allocations
01:03 Hijiri maybe just the performance-sensitive parts could be done in lua
01:03 T4im tfw no __tostring metamethods being used
01:04 Hijiri what is the intent of tostring again? debug printing? pretty printing?
01:04 T4im it's what tostring() is using to turn a table or object into a string :)
01:04 Hijiri yes, but which string?
01:05 Hijiri __tostring = function() return "42" end
01:05 T4im defined by the developer?
01:05 Hijiri there's my valid __tostring
01:05 T4im if you're having a class "The answer to everything", that seems reasonable
01:06 Hijiri it's reasonable for any table
01:06 Hijiri unless maybe there are certain expectations on what tostring gives?
01:06 T4im just use what ever describes the object best
01:06 T4im it's up to you
01:07 T4im for a player I'd use the name; that seems most reasonable
01:07 Hijiri something like <table0xDEADBEEF>?
01:07 T4im if you're not having one defined yourself
01:08 Hijiri I guess the purpose of tostring then is to describe an object
01:08 Hijiri well, assuming the lua devs intended that
01:09 Hijiri probably they intended to at least vary with different values
01:09 T4im just look what they did with asserts; I'd not expect a formal standardization behind their tostring method
01:09 Hijiri well, it could have some general purpose described
01:09 Hijiri it doesn't have to be formally specified
01:10 Hijiri Though if the purpose is "the best description", it should at least be injective
01:10 Hijiri under some notion of equality
01:11 T4im for tostring, "Receives an argument of any type and converts it to a string in a reasonable format." x)
01:11 Hijiri I guess they haven't really specified then
01:11 Hijiri since reasonability depends on the purpose
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01:12 T4im I'd go with the abstract "string representation of an object"
01:12 T4im which still leaves a lot open to interpreation
01:13 Hijiri that would at least require injectivity over some kind of semantic equality
01:13 Hijiri s/over/under
01:13 T4im i don't think there are any uniqueness requirements to tostring; table identity should do that already, or not?
01:14 whitephoenix ooh I see
01:14 whitephoenix thanks
01:14 T4im not sure about serialization perhaps
01:14 Hijiri well, two objects that are semantically different should have different representations
01:14 T4im yes
01:14 Hijiri table identity does that, but maybe also representations should be same if they're semantically the same
01:14 T4im yes, usually*
01:15 T4im a ConnectedPlayer and a ChestOwner, could very well have the same representation, or not? :)
01:15 Hijiri well, I was considering tostring : Blah -> strings, where Blah is whatever thing you are considering
01:16 Hijiri my __tostring is unlikely to work on numbers, if it expects a table
01:16 Hijiri though I guess I was talking about tostring
01:17 Hijiri I think introducing semantics implicitly assumed some limited type of object though
01:17 T4im yea, tostring will handle numbers and functions, extra and independent of any __tostrings
01:17 Hijiri right
01:17 Hijiri I meant tostring limited to my set of whatever I am considering, or my __tostring, sorry
01:17 Hijiri but now I have to go
01:17 T4im bye
01:17 Hijiri bye
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02:00 whitephoenix this connected nodebox stuff is confusing
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02:01 whitephoenix disreguarding texture issues this is a step closer thoug http://i.imgur.com/WLWCf9V.png
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02:20 whitephoenix Victory! http://i.imgur.com/JPsMaHS.png
02:21 whitephoenix that took way too long
02:38 whitephoenix are there any ways I could prevent this texture from showing through like this http://i.imgur.com/5dtXDk0.png ?
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02:43 T4im nodeboxes are very simplistic about textures
02:44 T4im if you want something more complicated, you'll need to use mesh's but that will require swapping nodes again
02:46 whitephoenix alright maybe I can pull it off somehow
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03:16 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Bucket: Add optional 'force-renew' bool to registration 7b30c26 https://git.io/vPzxw (2016-10-12T04:11:36+01:00)
03:18 garywhite Hello?
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09:23 JamesTait Good morning all!  Happy Wednesday, and happy Emergency Nurses Day! 😃
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10:51 yusf[m] whitephoenix: What is that pipe thing you're working on?
10:55 Krock JamesTait, any plans to get hurt today?
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11:13 Megaf Germans unite! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtMThVUpc-U
11:13 Megaf if that's even German
11:13 Megaf !title
11:13 MinetestBot Megaf: Trio - Da da da - YouTube
11:13 Megaf da da da
11:18 Krock yes, the guy in the front announces a "german love song"
11:27 Megaf Krock: does the "da da da" in the song means what I think it means?
11:28 Krock Megaf, dunno. But "da" is like "foobar" and the whole lyrics is about "I don't love you. You don't love me. Da da da.."
11:28 Megaf ok
11:28 Krock even the trololo song lyrics is better compared to that
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11:51 Guest52631 Hi! Is ok to show one man playing minetest on the background in a short film that my friend is making?
11:52 Guest52631 Or is there any right infrigment?
11:52 est31 I think this would fall under fair use
11:52 Megaf Guest52631: go ahead.
11:53 Megaf It could actually be quite nice
11:53 est31 youtube is full of minetest lets play videos, nobody who owns copyrights in minetest has complained about those
11:53 Guest52631 ok, thanks
11:53 est31 Guest52631, i personally would quite welcome it :)
11:54 Megaf est31: speaking of copyright. How we difine who owns copyright? Bits of code are mine for example. So do I own any copyright on Minetest? And everybody that sent PR? That's complicated.
11:54 Megaf Guest52631: We thank you very much for coming here and asking first. That means a lot.
11:55 est31 Megaf, generally, everyone who has sent a PR is a possible candidate for copyright, the question is though whether their contribution was trivial or not
11:55 Guest52631 I think it's the right thing. Thank you!
11:55 Megaf est31: and shouldn't've we highlight c55 for this?
11:55 Megaf well, he left
11:56 est31 so your interpretations may range between "everyone who has sent a PR" and "only c55"
11:56 Megaf It depends on what we are talking about, the idea behind the game or the actual code
11:57 Megaf In some countries in Europe you can't copyright software, because they fall into the idea, thinking area
11:57 est31 no
11:57 Megaf You can't copyright an idea
11:57 est31 software is copyrightable
11:57 est31 you mix it with patents
11:57 est31 software is not patentable in EU
11:57 JamesTait Krock, no - that was Friday night/Saturday morning (not planned, but it happened anyway)
11:57 Krock uh, not good
11:57 JamesTait No emergency nurses involved, funnily enough.
11:58 Megaf est31: oh, I see. I think I understand now
11:58 JamesTait Krock, you don't know the half of it. 🙁
11:58 Krock JamesTait, friday night: drunken. You walked home and fell downstairs
11:59 Megaf Is it halloween yet?
11:59 Megaf :P
11:59 JamesTait Krock, I only wish it were that simple!
11:59 Krock http://isithalloween.com/ <-- Megaf
11:59 Megaf !title
12:00 MinetestBot Megaf: Is it Halloween?
12:00 Megaf They could tell on the title, it would be nice
12:00 Krock there's also isitchristmas
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12:00 Megaf !server ping:least
12:00 MinetestBot Megaf: *** FantasyWorld *** by Telesight | fantasyworld.telesight.nl:30005 | Clients: 0/25, 0/2 | Version: 0.4.14 / minetest | Ping: 1ms
12:01 Megaf What the bloody in name of the Tux!?
12:01 Megaf !server Megaf
12:01 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/10, 0/2 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 7ms
12:01 Megaf !server ping:least
12:01 MinetestBot Megaf: *** SurvivalWorld *** by Telesight | survivalworld.telesight.nl:30004 | Clients: 0/20, 0/4 | Version: 0.4.14 / minetest | Ping: 6ms
12:01 Megaf This can't stay like that, no sir
12:02 Krock !server ping:most
12:02 MinetestBot Krock: FishNet - FishWorld | fishminer.mrbasic.com:3333 | Clients: 0/12, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.13-dev / minetest | Ping: 466ms
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12:14 Megaf !server ping:least
12:14 MinetestBot Megaf: *** Attack! *** by Telesight | attack.telesight.nl:30001 | Clients: 0/24, 0/3 | Version: 0.4.14 / minetest | Ping: 6ms
12:15 Megaf ok, 6ms to beat
12:17 red-001 !server ping:most
12:17 MinetestBot red-001: Magical World | magical-world.ddns.net:30735 | Clients: 4/10, 4/4 | Version: 0.4.14-dev / minetest | Ping: 1097ms
12:17 red-001 how?????????????????????????
12:17 red-001 thats 10 seconds
12:18 red-001 11*
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12:24 Megaf !server Megaf Server v5.0
12:24 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v5.0 TEST | 139.162.180.175 | Clients: 0/15, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.14-dev / minetest | Ping: 7ms
12:24 Megaf what!?
12:24 Megaf !server Megaf Server v5.0
12:24 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v5.0 TEST | 139.162.180.175 | Clients: 0/15, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.14-dev / minetest | Ping: 7ms
12:25 Megaf sfan5: where is the bot located?
12:25 Megaf Megaf Server V5.0 is in Frankfurt, I was expecting a lower ping
12:26 Megaf !up 139.162.180.175
12:26 MinetestBot 139.162.180.175:30000 is up (8ms)
12:26 Megaf how can my server located in Frankfurt have a higher ping than the one located in London?
12:26 Megaf !up mt.megaf.info 30003
12:26 MinetestBot mt.megaf.info:30003 is up (6ms)
12:27 Megaf That doesnt make any sense
12:28 Megaf !up mt.megaf.info 30003
12:28 MinetestBot mt.megaf.info:30003 is up (7ms)
12:28 Megaf !up 139.162.180.175
12:28 MinetestBot 139.162.180.175:30000 is up (7ms)
12:28 Megaf !server ping:least
12:28 MinetestBot Megaf: *** BuildersWorld *** by Telesight | buildersworld.telesight.nl:30003 | Clients: 0/20, 0/2 | Version: 0.4.13 / minetest | Ping: 6ms
12:29 red-001 globeminner servers finally went offline
12:30 Krock why finally? some servers are good kids-catchers
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12:34 Megaf Krock: can you ping 139.162.180.175 from your box and tell me the ping please?
12:44 Megaf Krock: ? =/
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12:52 Krock Megaf, 100% success with 33ms
12:53 Megaf Krock: weird
12:53 Megaf you got higher ping than me
12:53 Megaf and I'm in Dublin, using wifi
12:54 Krock and here are NSA agents sitting on the connection
12:54 Krock it takes a while to process all the data I guess
12:54 Megaf Krock: you are the second one who says that on the same context in less than 10 minutes
12:55 Megaf [13:49:16] <pronto> and the NSA taps
12:55 Megaf [13:54:41] <Krock> and here are NSA agents sitting on the connection
12:55 Krock ok
12:55 Megaf Maybe someone wants to give me a message
12:55 Megaf maybe I should go off grid
12:57 Megaf Krock:
12:57 Megaf rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 28.438/31.692/48.438/3.076 ms
12:57 Megaf 100 pings
12:57 Megaf from Dublin
12:57 Megaf to Frankfurt :S
12:58 Krock ok
12:58 Megaf I think is pretty bad
12:58 Megaf xO
12:58 Megaf xP
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13:02 Megaf well, Thank you Krock. It proves that it's not worth moving my server from London to Frankfurt
13:02 Megaf Krock: would you please ping -c 10 178.79.130.6 ?
13:02 Megaf that's my server in London
13:03 Krock Invalid Option -c.
13:03 est31 !ping 127.0.0.1
13:03 Krock 110ms
13:03 est31 ~ping 127.0.0.1
13:03 ShadowBot pong
13:03 Krock lol
13:04 Krock Megaf, now it's 33ms
13:05 Megaf Thanks
13:15 Jordach Pinging 178.79.130.6 with 32 bytes of data:
13:15 Jordach Reply from 178.79.130.6: bytes=32 time=20ms TTL=54
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13:17 Megaf my frankfurt server was removed already by the way
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13:39 * Megaf listening to https://play.spotify.com/al​bum/3zBmExKhhB4FvrrQRVFyf2
13:39 Megaf !title
13:39 MinetestBot Megaf: Spotify
13:39 Megaf oh
13:40 Megaf that's Duke Nuken 3d Soundtrack Rebuild
13:43 Megaf How do I convert MC texture pack to MT? Or, can anyone convert one for me/
13:43 Megaf ?
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13:50 Krock Megaf, there's a converter script in the forums
13:56 FirePowi luacontroller : "Prohibited command : for" Wait… no ! :'(.
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14:37 Krock What's wrong with this code? http://pastebin.com/iZSd9SkX Lua throws:   2016-10-12 16:35:12: ERROR[Main]: E:\Programme\minetest\bin\..\​mods\boost_cart\init.lua:339: ambiguous syntax (function call x new statement) near '('
14:48 red-001 could you post a larger snippet?
14:48 DonBatman Krock are you missing one ) at the end?
14:49 red-001 It looks really confusing
14:49 Krock the problem was solved. Lua didn't know if it was a function call or regular paretheses
14:49 Krock had to make variables
14:50 DonBatman Glad it's fixed!
14:50 red-001 I'm still not sure what that code was suppose to do
14:50 red-001 was it suppose to use a new functions if aviable?
14:50 Krock it either calls player:set_look_horizontal if it exists
14:51 Krock else, it takes the old plyaer:set_look_yaw
14:51 Krock same for the get functions
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15:50 whitephoenix when the server shuts down why aren't players kicked?
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15:52 whitephoenix if the server comes back fast enough does the client try to reconnect automatically without leaving the world or something?
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16:42 MinetestBot [git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Don't use unordered maps for ProfilerGraph (fixes flickering) 0b27a70 https://git.io/vP2uz (2016-10-12T18:42:18+02:00)
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16:44 sfan5 whitephoenix: IIRC players should be kicked when the server shuts down
16:44 sfan5 and no, the client doesn't automatically reconnect
16:46 whitephoenix huh
16:46 whitephoenix on the linuxmasterrace server that got started everyone just times out
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16:52 sfan5 is it running 0.4.14?
16:52 sfan5 maybe it was also added after the release, not sure
16:52 garywhite Question: What is the best size to make a door texture?
16:53 sfan5 16x32?
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16:54 garywhite Cause I know you should usually do a single door and then most of the time if you put two next to each other they will flip so they open properly
17:01 garywhite and BTW I think I'll stick with M$ Paint cause I don't like the way that GIMP works it's too confusing. At least I've used Paint on 3 different versions of Windows
17:03 sfan5 use paint.net
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17:10 garywhite Take a look at this https://snag.gy/kV9GvL.jpg
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17:16 Krock nice URL
17:16 Krock door's not so nice to be honest
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17:24 whitephoenix garywhite, yeah paint.net is by far the best for textures on windows
17:24 whitephoenix thats like the one thing I miss on linux
17:24 whitephoenix gimps ui is just meh
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17:39 MinetestBot [git] sfan5 -> Uberi/Minetest-WorldEdit: Fix blowing up TNT near worldedit markers df6b54d https://git.io/vP2Kt (2016-10-12T19:38:41+02:00)
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17:45 sofar curl: (35) Unknown SSL protocol error in connection to snag.gy:443
17:46 garywhite Probably gone
17:46 sofar garywhite: I can't even visit that URL due to the SSL errors
17:46 sofar try imgur?
17:46 sfan5 works fine with curl for me
17:46 sofar I'm on a proxy
17:47 MinetestBot [git] sfan5 -> Uberi/Minetest-WorldEdit: Fix //spiral requiring a selected region despite using only pos1 d040d32 https://git.io/vP26o (2016-10-12T19:45:38+02:00)
17:48 sofar haha, that image hosting site is basically blocked entirely by my work
17:48 sofar probably for a very good reason :)
17:50 agaran Good evening
17:51 garywhite Hi agaran
17:52 agaran sofar:  or to improve productivity
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18:00 sofar agaran: it's obviously failing at that :)
18:00 agaran ;) yea.. irc can be even more impacting productivity
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18:02 Hijiri whitephoenix: there are paint-like image editors for GNU/Linux
18:02 Hijiri pinta is one, I think
18:02 Hijiri mypaint also
18:02 agaran I prefer gimp but..
18:02 Hijiri maybe not mypaint
18:03 Persi[m] Krita used to suck but the later versions are quite cool
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18:13 MinetestBot [git] sfan5 -> Uberi/Minetest-WorldEdit: Fix 'Run Lua' button in WorldEdit GUI (fixes #121) 152707a https://git.io/vP21y (2016-10-12T20:10:36+02:00)
18:13 garywhite Why do these git fixes keep appearing
18:13 sfan5 why not
18:14 garywhite Are these like new fixes that were posted to the Minetest-associated repository?
18:15 sfan5 if you read the green text then you'll notice that these are commits to the WorldEdit repo
18:15 sfan5 more specifically https://github.com/Uberi/Minetest-WorldEdit this one
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18:16 sofar be happy it's not set to monitor minetest-mods ;)
18:17 agaran sofar: if that would be case, we couldn't talk here at all..
18:17 Krock we could talk because MTB was kicked for flood
18:17 Krock *excess flood
18:17 agaran lol
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18:39 Fixer sfan5: ty
19:02 Megaf [15:37:22] <Krock> What's wrong with this code? http://pastebin.com/iZSd9SkX Lua throws:   2016-10-12 16:35:12: ERROR[Main]: E:\Programme\minetest\bin\..\​mods\boost_cart\init.lua:339: ambiguous syntax (function call x new statement) near '('
19:02 Megaf The OS
19:02 Megaf xP
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19:22 Block Hi, i am looking for a hosting (about 120 euro a year) to host a server? any advice?
19:23 Block to run a minetest server :)
19:23 garywhite 120 euro a year equals about 123 dollars
19:23 Block yep
19:23 Block too little you think?
19:24 garywhite No, for a smaller server it's probably good
19:25 garywhite Try http://www.minetesthosting.com/plans-pricing/
19:25 Block nice, just saw your post on the forum about this
19:25 Block thx
19:25 garywhite It's not my post
19:26 Block 19 may garywhite
19:27 Block gonna check this out looks promising
19:27 Block thank you garywhite
19:29 Block does anyone know i can manually backup the database in the small hosting packet?
19:33 garywhite no, all the data is stored in their system
19:33 Block ok thx
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19:34 garywhite np
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19:41 sfan5 !c 120/12
19:41 MinetestBot 10.0
19:41 sfan5 oh right
19:41 sfan5 Block: for 10€/mo you can just host your own VPS and do everything as you desire
19:41 sfan5 no waiting for some hoster to allow features
19:42 sfan5 no waiting for backups
19:42 Block do you have a server sfan5?
19:42 sfan5 a minetest server? no
19:42 sfan5 the only drawback of hosting yourself is that you need to care about the system that goes beyond minetest
19:43 sfan5 updates, securing your server, etc.
19:43 Block i don't know if minetest is stable enough to run 24/7
19:43 sfan5 it is
19:44 Block true i have already a vps server but not allowed for games
19:44 Block okay
19:44 sfan5 not allowed for games? what kind of lame provider is that
19:44 sfan5 mind telling me where you have your vps?
19:45 Block belgium
19:47 sfan5 no the company
19:47 Block maybe if i can find a good vps for about 120euro a year, i could consider this
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19:47 sfan5 finding a good one for 10€/mo shouldn't be that hard
19:47 Block fusa.be
19:47 sfan5 perhaps take a look at http://lowendbox.com/
19:50 Block ok i am looking
19:51 Block thx sfan5
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20:19 red-001 why would a VPS provider not want games to be run on it?
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20:19 red-001 why would It matter to them?
20:19 twoelk usage patterns?
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20:22 sfan5 cpu usage
20:25 twoelk any chances of fixing the respecting node rotation problem in Worldedit soon?
20:27 sfan5 no
20:28 twoelk :-(
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20:56 iqualfragile octrees are cool, discuss
20:57 Hijiri one of my friends is an octree
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22:49 sfan5 another overview map of floatlands: http://i.imgur.com/OytSkqr.png
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23:00 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Default: Add coral nodes and death ABM 3d26b33 https://git.io/vPaBL (2016-10-12T23:55:46+01:00)
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23:19 greeter greetings. i have a weird problem. whenever i start a minetest game, my character moves and spins around in circles even when there's no mouse/keyboard input. any ideas on how to fix that?
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23:25 greeter i seem to have fixed it by installing the latest unstable release
23:27 sfan5 then you'll just have to wait a few months until it's really fixed
23:27 sfan5 because 0.4.15 will be released soon(tm)
23:29 greeter i can wait a few months for that :-) thanks for the heads up about the release
23:34 whitephoenix until then maybe unplug any other input devices?
23:35 sfan5 oh yes i think it might be caused by joystick code
23:35 sfan5 but did that exist in 0.4.14?
23:35 sfan5 hm
23:37 greeter well, it doesn't matter, i installed a nightly release and that seems to have fixed it so i'm a little happier
23:37 sfan5 !next
23:37 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next!
23:38 greeter lol. well i'm still unhappy that i think my favorite server shutdown. it looks like i might be going into the server administration business
23:38 sfan5 make sure to offer your map for download then
23:38 greeter hmm, once i find out how to generate the map that should be easy enough to do
23:39 sfan5 you don't
23:39 sfan5 it generates by itself
23:39 greeter oh, right, i should have known this lol
23:40 greeter hmm, i just downloaded unified inventory but instead of getting crafting instructions it just gives me a stack of the items. is that because i'm the server admin? (experimenting locally with mods before i go live with anything)
23:41 sfan5 maybe
23:41 greeter hmm. i need an unprivileged account to see i guess
23:42 greeter hmm, nope, even with no privs it gives me stacks. maybe i need to edit the mod somehow
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