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IRC log for #minetest, 2016-09-17

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02:19 Hi_to_all Hey
02:22 worldcraftllplay so, ive really only ever played worldcraft two before, but now ive got a pc running again i found out about this game and am very interested, but i need to grab some mods cause vanilla seems empty
02:24 worldcraftllplay ive been looking around, but with so many years of mods i dont know where to even start
02:26 * Hi_to_all rolls his eyes need more mods
02:27 worldcraftllplay its not that i need more, i just dont know where to begin, id like some animals and to be able to farm, but i dont know what is dependant on what and i just feel overwhelmed
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08:37 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Register.lua: Throw error if node 'light_source' > core.LIGHT_MAX 3aefa5d https://git.io/viPgC (2016-09-17T09:33:25+01:00)
08:44 Lord_Vlad Hey, guys, I'm new here and I don't really know... like, what does minetest have that makes it worth it ?
08:46 sfan5 mods
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08:48 paramat a large world height (62000 nodes)
08:49 paramat very easy to mod
08:50 Lord_Vlad There are also mods in minecraft. I don't code, so the latter doesn't affect me... not yet at least.
08:50 XeonSquared Lord_Vlad: Minetest is very easy to mod, it runs better on older hardware, and is free as in freedom
08:50 XeonSquared off the top of my head
08:51 Lord_Vlad Oh, old hardware, that's neat
08:52 XeonSquared I can get 30FPS on an ancient Atom laptop
08:52 Lord_Vlad Free as freedom, also means I may one day think of a great use for it, and actually do.
08:52 Lord_Vlad OMG, that's light software there !
08:53 paramat even if you don't code you can still code MT mods, very easy once you study existing mods
08:54 Lord_Vlad wow, ok, at this point, it's really something to take in line, you are right.
08:54 Lord_Vlad Oh, are there updates of the main project ? Do mods get obselete ?
08:55 XeonSquared Usually changes don't break stuff, and most mods work for the most part on older versions
08:55 Lord_Vlad Wow, that's neat too
08:55 paramat we don't break everything per version like MC
08:55 paramat old worlds are supported
08:56 * Lord_Vlad likes modding a lot, so... looks great actually
08:56 paramat the biome API allows very easy creation of custom biome systems
08:56 Lord_Vlad Are there great mods you can tell me of ?
08:57 paramat too many to list
08:57 paramat browse the forum
08:57 XeonSquared I rather like the Digilines/Mesecons combo
08:57 XeonSquared The docs on Digilines are notably scarce though
08:58 Lord_Vlad Just give me an exemple, please, something great
08:58 paramat warning, because MT is very 'modular' the basic game is very basic, no mobs. usually you need to add some mods
08:59 XeonSquared https://github.com/minetest-mods/nix​ie_tubes/blob/master/screenshot.png here's the nixie tube mod
08:59 XeonSquared I think it's pretty cool
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09:00 Lord_Vlad Looks like stein's ; gate stuff *^*
09:01 XeonSquared Oh and if you like Minecraft modding
09:01 XeonSquared get this
09:01 XeonSquared so if you connect to a server with mods
09:01 XeonSquared it downloads them and enables them
09:01 XeonSquared without needing to restart your client
09:01 paramat this is unfinished but has moon gravity, footprints etc https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=11&t=6329
09:02 XeonSquared paramat: oh that looks nice
09:03 Lord_Vlad XeonSquared : ok, that is awesome
09:04 XeonSquared updating mods: ls | xargs -P10 -I{} git -C {} pull
09:06 Krock apt-get install sl
09:06 Krock (not sure if the package is "sl" but meant to be the steam locomotive)
09:07 paramat yeah mods are serverside
09:08 XeonSquared Technical mod related question: Does it download the whole mod or just the textures/models and UIs?
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09:09 Krock git pull updates everything
09:10 XeonSquared No like, when you connect to a server
09:11 Lord_Vlad Ok, Minetest is amazing, I'll try it out thouroughly when I'll have the time.
09:11 XeonSquared It's not perfect of course
09:17 paramat media (textures, sounds) are downloaded to client, mod code runs in the server
09:18 XeonSquared oh okay
09:18 XeonSquared interesting, guess that means nobody gets the mod I'm working on, even if they do connect to my server
09:18 XeonSquared all the digilines abuse :D
09:20 Krock you could serialize the mod into bytecode and send it as an "image"
09:21 Krock but the clients could still not use it at all :P
09:22 agaran Hello
09:22 Krock hi agaran
09:24 agaran how goes?
09:24 Krock it goes well :)
09:25 Krock kinda annoyed that I can't find a good and cheap (/used) computer as replacement for this one
09:25 agaran well depends what kind of one you look for and where..
09:27 Krock the problem is that I got 2 SATA HDDs and roughly 25 ATA ones. None of the newer computers has these older slots anymore and buying adapters would be a pain
09:27 agaran sata to ata adapter here costs like 3 euro..
09:27 agaran on alibaba you probably can get it for 1/3 of that..
09:28 Krock yeah but you get even more speed loss
09:28 agaran nope
09:28 agaran sata is faster than ata
09:28 agaran and drive slowness is mechanics not interface
09:28 Krock but doens't it take time to convert the parallel signal into serial?
09:28 agaran if you convert to usb 2.0 then yes you can get slower
09:28 agaran it does.. nanoseconds..
09:28 Krock oh lol
09:28 agaran drive seek is in miliseconds..
09:29 Krock looks like I'm going to buy a bunch of them
09:29 agaran and delay applies to first byte only actually..
09:29 Krock omg! what a loss! :P
09:29 agaran you get whole stream some ns later.. but transfer is same..
09:29 agaran see point?
09:29 Krock yeah. thanks. I thought it would make a bigger difference
09:29 agaran for usb/ata it may
09:30 agaran but usb is way different stuff really
09:30 agaran my sata/ata is funny as it can let me connect sata drive to ata host, or ata drive to sata host..
09:31 agaran so 2 in 1
09:31 Krock uh nice
09:31 Krock so also an adapter?
09:31 agaran yup in either way
09:31 agaran it is small pcb with idc40 connector and 2 sata connectors, one sata for host mode one for device mode
09:32 agaran pata side is shared for both modes.. no jumpres change needed just use right sata port
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09:37 Krock okay, this might need some tinkering. Almost no space in the case - they're using angled SATA connectors here :<
09:37 Krock LIFE, why are you so evil to me?
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09:40 Krock oh well, could just mount the mobo into an older case
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10:01 agaran Krock: and get adapters and non-angled sata cables (or angled to match angled ones in mobo)
10:01 buttatoes how do I turn on interlace from the config file?
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10:25 sfan5 buttatoes: what do you mean by interlacing?
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11:19 buttatoes sfan5: I'm. trying to solve this error WARNING[Main]: Irrlicht: PNG warning: Interlace handling should be turned on when using png_read_image
11:20 sfan5 you can (and should) ignore that warnings
11:20 buttatoes and this error
11:20 buttatoes WARNING[Main]: Irrlicht: PNG warning: iCCP: Not recognizing known sRGB profile that has been edited
11:20 sfan5 you can ignore that too
11:20 buttatoes something is crashing the game
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15:36 agaran rubenwardy: Hello, mind if I toss 2 things about awards in here or pm?
15:37 rubenwardy sure
15:37 agaran prefer here or pm?
15:37 rubenwardy If it's here then I can direct Wuzzy to read it as well, as he's a coauthor
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15:38 agaran ok, first is minor incompatibility, one of gloop mods for ores or blocks, not sure which, changes obsidian rendering obsidian archievements unreachable
15:39 agaran second, sorting awards by amount of thing to dig or other similar criteria in list would be nice, so big-count awards appear lower in list than first 100 blocks dug.. etc
15:39 agaran or at least displaying in registering order..
15:43 rubenwardy Ok, thank you. Will investigate both at some point
15:43 rubenwardy https://github.com/minetest-mods/awa​rds/issues/28#issuecomment-247782888
15:43 agaran interestingly, if you place obsidian after digging it with gloop stuff enabled then dig it, you get archievement..
15:44 agaran I'll redo test
15:44 rubenwardy ah, it may change mapgen so it places a different item then drops obsidian
15:45 agaran for sorting, showing archieved and -few-closest-to-get ones would be imo best.. (if there are chains of such like miner*)
15:49 agaran on cooling with water it gets gloopblocks:obsidian_cooled, then digged, and placed again makes default:obsidian
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16:50 NakedFury hello
16:51 Krock shouldn't there be two 'r's in your name?
16:51 Krock hello
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18:50 aix <GhassanIsBad> aix can I admin on this server I was admin on server tyz and mod on server Android I miss sever tyz and I banned on server Android
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19:25 Krock hello BrandonReese :)
19:25 BrandonReese Hello Krock
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23:52 Periwinkle1 Hello
23:53 Periwinkle1 Does anyone please know how to get on a certain servers irc

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