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04:41 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Default: Vary wood burn times according to wood density f844a4f https://git.io/viO0C (2016-09-04T05:39:24+01:00)
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06:32 agaran nice change, varying burnntimes depend on wood type
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06:48 agaran morning Krock
06:48 Krock morning agaran
06:49 agaran Building anything on IhrFussel's server?
06:51 Krock yeah, right after checking through the forums
06:52 Krock but I have no plan what exactly to build yet
06:52 agaran heh, I am still digging down and farming some food underground
06:52 agaran is there any limit of group count per node?
06:52 Krock the railway would be a very nice thing but the areas are dimension and not volume limited
06:53 Krock yeah but that limit is the server memory
06:53 Krock so you could put very, very, very damn many groups into a node
06:53 agaran well I mean more for my mod, if I should hardcode nodenames to some calls or better groups so it can be expanded later
06:54 Krock do you mean something like a node registering helper function?
06:55 Krock didn't understand your situation/question well
06:55 agaran not really, there are functions which can operate only on certain nodes, like wire-nodes, and I wonder if it is better to add group my_wires=1, and be able to select them this way, then my_double_wires for ones that have double wire arrangement etc.. or keep it simpler
06:56 agaran I am not sure if I understand myself well too
06:56 Krock yes, for that case it's better to use groups
06:57 agaran So some code might need a touch..
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07:42 agaran meh.. just discovered that table.insert does actually appending.. right?
07:46 Krock IhrFussel, please rename the command /infos to /info in the english context because there are no information>s<  :P
07:47 Krock agaran, it rather inserts, as the name says, because you can specify the position where it should insert the value
07:50 agaran hmm.. then I messed up code somehow
07:51 agaran Krock: any example as wiki has only function name?
07:51 agaran ok found in mods..:)
07:52 agaran or not
07:53 Krock so.. found or not?
07:53 agaran nope
07:53 agaran so far all uses have 2 arguments, table to insert to, and value to add..
07:54 Krock well, I don't really see what you're doing
07:54 agaran I want to make code that sometimes appends sometimes prepends result table with next row
07:54 agaran (depend if row should be favoured or not)
07:55 Krock with table.insert you can insert it in any place of the array
07:55 MinetestBot [git] Jeija -> Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Never postpone action_on or action_off 95fedc8 https://git.io/viOgy (2016-09-04T09:50:30+02:00)
07:55 MinetestBot [git] Jeija -> Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Add Hawk777 to contributor list, update developer documentation URL 433778c https://git.io/viOgS (2016-09-04T09:32:41+02:00)
07:55 MinetestBot [git] Jeija -> Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Duplicate unhash_blockpos code to legacy.lua 54efc64 https://git.io/viOg9 (2016-08-31T08:46:11+02:00)
07:55 MinetestBot [git] Jeija -> Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Remove some long unused legacy code dfeb070 https://git.io/viOgH (2016-08-30T20:54:20+02:00)
07:55 MinetestBot [git] Jeija -> Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Small cleanups in `internal.lua`, move forceloading reversal to legacy 6dacdae https://git.io/viOgQ (2016-08-30T19:37:43+02:00)
07:55 MinetestBot [git] Jeija -> Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Greatly improve performance by making use of VoxelManips in turnoff e561be7 https://git.io/viOg7 (2016-08-30T19:12:09+02:00)
07:55 Krock lel
07:55 Krock sfan5 !
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07:56 Krock <3 MinetestBot
07:56 MinetestBot <3 Krock
07:56 Jeija With all those commits to mesecons, bring up the bug reports!
07:56 Krock wohoo, fresh bugs :)
07:57 Jeija I just merged a development branch into master. Expect bugs, but also great performance and reliability improvements.
07:57 agaran fresh delicious bugs?
07:58 Krock you must report them before eating when you found one
07:58 agaran aww... I report bugs @ work.. ;)
07:58 Jeija You have 1-2 weeks time before a new release will be pushed out to debian ^^
07:59 * agaran works as QA..
07:59 Krock agaran, QA?
07:59 agaran Krock: if you get example how table.insert can be used to put data at any pos let me know
07:59 agaran quality assurance..
07:59 Krock well, I don't care about debian xD
08:00 agaran for software..
08:00 agaran well I use debian, but I don't use any minetest packages for mods
08:00 Krock sounds interesting
08:00 Krock finding and roating bugs at work
08:00 agaran Krock: not overly.. if you report same bug third time.. as somebody failed to port 1.0 fixes to 2.0..
08:01 Krock but then you can find the bugs faster xP
08:01 agaran yes, though they don't get any less annoying
08:02 Krock then make an appeal to those who update the projects
08:02 agaran it sounds so easy ;)
08:03 Krock it can't be that a bug must be fixed two or three times
08:03 Krock git for the win!
08:03 agaran heh..
08:04 sfan5 Krock: MinetestBot recovers from that usually
08:04 sfan5 maybe i should just add a rate limit
08:04 Krock sfan5, yeah, usually. Thus I wanted to make sure and ping you additionally even when not neccessarly
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08:08 Krock wow nice. IhrFusse1's server already contains this interact lock feature
08:09 agaran Krock: good, hack code works, if you find example how to use table.insert with arbitrary pos I'll fix it again :)
08:09 Krock didn't expect that it would be added so fast
08:09 agaran Krock: yup, we were testing it yesterday..
08:09 agaran Krock: IhrFussel is quick to implement nice stuff..
08:10 agaran Krock: and my code goal was that path-walker for cable stuff favours straight way leaving stubs for second pass.. less retry-repeat situations
08:11 Krock google and duckduckgo are great ways to find examples :P
08:13 agaran lets see
08:14 agaran right, example (unexplained) from rubenwardy's book did work
08:14 agaran but table.insert(tab,row) does append imo..
08:14 Krock eww. unexplained
08:15 Krock you can pass another argument that specifies the position
08:17 agaran yep, and if you use 2 argument version it act as append..
08:17 Krock yes
08:18 agaran thx, that leads to some improvements in code
08:20 Krock nom nom. cheeze
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09:11 Megaf !server Megaf
09:11 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/20, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 6ms
09:11 IhrFussel Krock, chat command fixed...if a player types /infos it will automatically remove the s at the end too (backwards compatibility)
09:11 Megaf Good morning everyone
09:11 Krock ^^ nice
09:11 Krock moin Megaf
09:13 agaran IhrFussel: you could do abm that replaces all legacy fire blocks with air..
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09:27 IhrFussel agaran, I never worked with ABMs...
09:27 agaran I can write you example, and it is safe, it simply remove them when loaded then it won't fire as blocks won't exist anymore..
09:27 agaran I was using them to upgrade my cables in mod-in-progress
09:30 IhrFussel agaran, http://dev.minetest.net/minetest.register_abm am I right in assuming I just need to change "group:lava" in fire:basic_flame and inside set_node() I replace with air?
09:30 agaran you have an example in priv, yes something like that
09:30 agaran that was my upgrade routine when I changed naming of nodes
09:30 agaran to not need dig 100+ nodes then place again
09:31 IhrFussel agaran, can I remove the neighbor option?
09:31 agaran see my example.. you don't need neighbor..
09:32 IhrFussel Oh you sent a PM haha I didn't see
09:33 agaran yep
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09:36 IhrFussel Okay done, should work after restart
09:36 IhrFussel agaran, by the way did removing the shops increase server performance?
09:36 agaran IhrFussel: i did not find any problems yet, you may in spare time do copy of db, then do on copy that query checking how much blocks sizes decreased
09:37 agaran but seems better do on copy as it is quite slowing down server otherwise
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09:43 IhrFussel agaran, I will copy the DB file later, last year I corrupted an antire world by backing up while running
09:43 IhrFussel entire*
09:43 agaran IhrFussel: ouch, sure,
09:44 IhrFussel The people I asked told me it was safe to copy world files while running
09:44 agaran I would say same but..
09:45 agaran IhrFussel: someday I noticed that person logged out was still mentioned as 'afk'
09:50 IhrFussel agaran, that can happen when the engine disconnects the peer unexpectedly and the player is still online in /status as "unknown"
09:51 IhrFussel agaran, there was a time when it happened almost every hour to a player..later I found out the max objects per mapblock was the problem...it was too low
09:51 agaran ah I see
09:52 IhrFussel agaran, I'm already on a new "idle detection system" ... the chat should already mention now when a player is idle for 30 minutes
09:53 agaran heh.. I'd like to see elevators or such.. or travelnets but thats /me
09:54 IhrFussel agaran, I can look at those mods and probably implement them if they aren't too heavy
09:54 agaran travelnets are nice (by sokomine),
10:01 IhrFussel minetest.get_objects_inside_radius(pos, radius) <<< what does "radius" refer to?
10:01 IhrFussel Mapblocks or nodes?
10:02 agaran not sure
10:08 IhrFussel agaran, lua_api.txt says "    * `radius`: using an euclidean metric"
10:08 agaran I'd assume it is nodes.. but I would check it in singlemode..
10:08 IhrFussel Euclidean metric??? I never heard of that
10:09 agaran metric spaces are quite much math concept..
10:09 agaran you can define metric space where unity cube is same shape as unity sphere..
10:09 IhrFussel agaran, euclidean is straight-line wikipedia says
10:09 agaran yep
10:09 agaran not sure how that will be rounded as it will return non integer distances too
10:09 IhrFussel Then it must refer to nodes
10:10 agaran you are implementing new features?
10:11 IhrFussel agaran, no I'm checking the smartshop code and saw a radius of 2 inside the update function
10:11 agaran it checks for those spawned entieties which are display..
10:12 agaran I saw different shops that don't spawn such..
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10:13 IhrFussel Well I could simply comment the register_entity() function or not?
10:13 agaran I doubt.. I tried reading that code but I don't understand it
10:14 Krock IhrFussel, the radius is in meter
10:14 IhrFussel Krock, there are no meters in Minetest AFAIK..so nodes?
10:14 Krock 1 node = 1x1x1 m
10:15 Krock your player is 1.8 nodes big, so you can assume that the node is metric
10:16 IhrFussel Krock, yes so from start of a node to its end = 1m
10:16 Krock the distance to the entities is calculated with pythagoras (AFAIK), so you can use decimals too
10:16 Krock yes
10:18 IhrFussel Krock, I barely know anything about maths so...lol
10:19 Krock maths is important
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10:20 IhrFussel Krock, I'd say + - * and / are important..maybe % too and fractions
10:21 Krock x % y  =  (x / y - floor(x / y)) * y
10:21 IhrFussel But most jobs don't require any higher math skill
10:23 Krock I need it quite often which makes it easier to understand how the stuff works
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12:10 agaran IhrFussel: 145 lag..
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12:33 IhrFussel agaran, so either the meta data is still being loaded or it is something else that causes the lags
12:33 agaran IhrFussel: it happened only once tho.. otherwwise is nice
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12:34 IhrFussel agaran, but there definitely seems to be a connection between lags and teleporting to cities..they mostly happen a bit after a player goes to a city
12:35 agaran can be it was just after some person logging in
12:35 IhrFussel But the player didn't teleport to a city?
12:35 agaran dunno.. don't remember
12:36 agaran no but might be starting at city too..
12:36 IhrFussel agaran, was it khoa?
12:36 agaran no,
12:36 IhrFussel Log says someone sent "modcity" 9 minutes ago
12:36 agaran it was before that
12:37 IhrFussel Hours before?
12:37 agaran nope
12:37 agaran IhrFussel: uptime was 8915.4
12:38 agaran log does not hold date/time..
12:40 IhrFussel Was the lag ~ 25 minutes ago?
12:41 agaran could be like that
12:41 IhrFussel 2016-09-04 14:14:49: ACTION[Server]: HiGuy took smartshop:shop from the creative inventory.
12:41 agaran btw farming stuff has silly bug, you can make grapevine grating out of stick but not junglewood sticks
12:41 agaran before HiGuy joined
12:43 Megaf !server Megaf
12:43 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/20, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 7ms
12:43 IhrFussel agaran, Valenia only joined and left a few minutes later again...so it must be about movement
12:43 Megaf sfan5: can you add server uptime to that please?
12:43 agaran IhrFussel: yes.. but then I observed 70s then 150s lag
12:44 IhrFussel Yes it must be certain parts of the map that contain too much meta data...maybe the homedecor stuff is causing it
12:44 Megaf !server Calinou
12:44 MinetestBot Megaf: Calinou [Europe/Paris] (survival - minimal mods) | hugo.pro:30002 | Clients: 16/32, 14/20 | Version: 0.4.14-dev / minetest | Ping: 12ms
12:45 agaran IhrFussel: no clue
12:46 IhrFussel agaran, there are lots of homedecor items that contain meta data...fridges, cabinets, ovens, microwaves...and more
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12:48 agaran IhrFussel: I never used much homedecor only few base things
12:50 IhrFussel agaran, but can meta data overload really cause 150s lag? I'm not sure
12:51 agaran I doubt, hmm..
12:51 agaran using that sql you can find which block has most data.. then write code that inspect every node metadata..
12:53 aix ugh
12:53 IhrFussel agaran, I have no clue how to translate the BLOB data into readable format..I already tried quote(data) and cast(data as TEXT) but I can't translate the values
12:53 agaran noo..
12:53 aix how would i do a grep for something that sets the gravity lower as you go higher?
12:53 aix should i grep for "gravity" ?
12:53 agaran to translate <pos> to coordinates then write module which let you do in game /findmeta <pos>
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13:02 agaran IhrFussel: again lagged.... but it might be worldEdit too
13:03 Krock aix, player_set_physics or similar
13:04 IhrFussel agaran, yes HiGuy is using WE right now... so after I translated the position from DB I just do local meta = minetest.get_meta({x=x, y=y, z=z}) meta:get_string() ?
13:05 IhrFussel But then how do I get the string name for the value? Should be somewhere in the smartshop code right?
13:05 agaran IhrFussel: yep, thats how I would do it
13:05 agaran IhrFussel: i would try to dump whole meta..
13:05 agaran meta is table.. so you can iterate over too.. or dump
13:05 agaran or I maybe don't get it
13:07 IhrFussel agaran, meta is a table then but meta:get_string() should be just a value of the table... so you mean dump whole get_meta() function?
13:10 agaran I would local meta = minetest.get_meta(pos); dump(meta)
13:10 agaran IhrFussel: 341s lag..
13:10 Krock that would return userdata IIRC
13:10 IhrFussel But where does dump() put the results?
13:10 Krock into the terminal/debug.txt
13:11 agaran minetest.debug(dump(meta))
13:11 Krock if you do print()
13:11 agaran and dump makes it nicelly formated even if lenghty
13:11 Krock unless it can't be dumped :P
13:11 Krock better use dump on  :to_table()
13:12 IhrFussel Krock, get_meta(pos) returns a table or not?
13:12 Krock IhrFussel, no because you can call get_meta(pos):get_string(...) and so on
13:12 Krock it's an object
13:13 IhrFussel So I put get_meta() into a variable and do variable:to_table() ?
13:14 Krock no, you can call to_table() directly
13:14 IhrFussel So to_table(metavar)
13:14 Krock thing:get_stuff():convert_to():abs(), that's all possible
13:15 Krock ading function call after another function call
13:15 Krock so it would be print(dump(minetest.get_meta(pos):to_table()))
13:15 IhrFussel Krock, i just want to dump the entire meta data of one node/position...is there an easier way?
13:15 IhrFussel Oh that sounds simpler
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13:20 Hi_to_all_ Hello
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13:25 XeonSquared Horror show question: is there anything like bungeecord for Minetest?
13:25 IhrFussel Krock, this should work right? http://pastebin.com/he0NdDva
13:26 Krock not sure about the regex expression but the other looks good
13:26 aix i need a good name for a new "lightning" game
13:27 IhrFussel Krock, I took the regex from chatcommands.lua /teleport command
13:27 Krock aix, nodesbuster
13:28 Krock IhrFussel, then it should work
13:29 Hi_to_all_ Aix What happened to your Old Name
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13:29 Krock but it also will dump the inventory data
13:29 aix My Old Name?
13:29 aix What Do You Mean?
13:29 Hi_to_all_ Lightning Geeks or something
13:29 Krock *What do you Mean
13:30 aix Oh That One
13:30 aix this is a gameid
13:30 aix not a server name
13:30 aix ya tart
13:30 Hi_to_all_ LOL my Bad
13:30 aix LOL Okay
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13:33 Hi_to_all_ I'm joining  DTAMedia
13:33 aix That's Awesome
13:33 Hi_to_all_ Bye for now :P
13:35 aix so nodesbusters
13:35 aix sounds awful
13:36 IhrFussel Krock, Ghostbusters fan much? xP
13:36 Krock mylittleponygame
13:36 Krock IhrFussel, no. blockbuster
13:36 FabulousGlory Guys, is there some kind of way to hook keyboard keys?
13:36 Krock and the mythbusters aren't bad either
13:37 Krock you can only read the WASD, USE and SPACE keys
13:37 Krock oh, and shift too
13:37 Krock if you want more in Lua, you'd have to modify the source
13:37 FabulousGlory bah.
13:38 FabulousGlory so keys are sent over the network if im right?
13:38 IhrFussel But that would just be client-side I think
13:50 Krock people don't know patience
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13:51 Hi_to_all_ Aix just Roasted Krock
13:52 Krock http://baconsizzling.com/
13:52 aix ...
13:52 Hi_to_all_ BACON
13:52 bulldozer hello
13:53 Hi_to_all_ https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-cbuwcRBtVFE/AAA...
13:53 Hi_to_all_ FOOTBALLS
13:53 bulldozer AAA...
13:54 Hi_to_all_ Oops wrong 1
13:54 Hi_to_all_ This is it
13:54 Hi_to_all_ https://www.google.tt/search?q=barcelona&amp;​oq=Bar&amp;aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0j46l2.4215j0j4​&amp;client=tablet-android-samsung&amp;source​id=chrome-mobile&amp;ie=UTF-8#scso=uid_6:566
13:54 Krock This is it (R) by Michael Jackson
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13:55 Hi_to_all_ http://www.baconsizzling.com
13:55 Hi_to_all_ Lol ITS Cool
13:55 Krock you're using a samsung tablet with andriod and the chrome browser. You're coming from "Republic of Trinidad and Tobago"
13:55 Krock *android
13:56 bulldozer ^
13:56 Krock google links provide quite much information
13:56 bulldozer and you searched for "Bar" before you searched for "barcelona"
13:57 Hi_to_all_ javascript:;
13:57 Krock lol right
13:57 Hi_to_all_ https://www.google.tt/search?client=tablet-andr​oid-samsung&amp;ei=GijMV6nqGsu_eOewo6gP&amp;q=j​umpscare&amp;oq=Jump&amp;gs_l=mobile-gws-serp.1​.1.0i67k1l3j0i46i67k1j46i67k1l2j0i67k1.1719.747​6.0.8845.18.12.0.1.1.0.269.2080.0j2j7.9.0....0.​..1c.1j4.64.mobile-gws-serp..12.6.1210.3..0j46j​0i13k1j35i39k1j0i131k1j0i46k1.uNBuZljDjgU
13:58 Hi_to_all_ WHO LIKES JUMPSCARES
13:58 Krock do you mean something like http://heeeeeeeey.com/ ?
13:59 Krock or rather http://shafou.com/ ?
13:59 Hi_to_all_ My God
14:00 Hi_to_all_ Shafou Dammit
14:02 IhrFussel There is a better one..one sec
14:02 IhrFussel https://akk.li/pics/anne/jpg
14:02 IhrFussel But won't work on tablets I think
14:03 Krock wasn't it anne.jpg ?
14:03 IhrFussel Krock, I think both works, Google says anne/jpg
14:03 Krock maybe it redirects to the same
14:03 bulldozer "doesn't contains"
14:03 Krock I bet you haven't seen this one yet: http://partridgegetslucky.com/
14:04 Krock (better music and animations)
14:09 * Megaf thinking about the next distro to test seriously for possible default desktop OS
14:09 Megaf considering Mint, Mageia and OpenMandriva
14:10 Megaf I want something that just works, and it's stable
14:11 IhrFussel Well I'm using Xubuntu (Ubuntu + Xfce4) for 2 years now and I can't complain
14:13 IhrFussel I tried Mint before but it seems like Mint doesn't support very old machines
14:14 IhrFussel Okay "very old" is stretching it maybe... 2005
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14:29 Megaf I think I will just stick to Debian
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14:29 Megaf my largest complain about Debian is that it takes ages to get a kernel update and I can't seem to compiled the kernel myself in current versions of Debian
14:30 Megaf I was used to get the kernel source from kernel.org and configure it and build myself on Mandriva and Debian 6 and 7. But since Debian 8 I can no longer do that
14:30 jomat and it uses systemd :(
14:31 Calinou Megaf: how 'bout Fedora :P
14:31 Megaf lol, not desktop friendly, tiny selection of packages on its repos
14:32 agaran jomat: you can have debian8 without systemd, just need some work
14:32 Megaf maybe I will just make my own OS and my own API...
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14:32 Megaf no more wayland or X11 worries, or Qt vs GTK vs anything. Just use my API and everything will just work
14:33 Megaf no worries about pulse, jack, oss or alsa, just use my API
14:35 Calinou heard of RPMFusion? :P
14:36 bulldozer fedora user here
14:36 bulldozer (dual-booting with winblow$ 10)
14:37 * Megaf doenst have Windows
14:38 Megaf Linux is the only OS on my hardware for more than 10 years
14:40 aix which way so players spawn facing?
14:41 Calinou aix: I don't think it's enforced
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14:42 Megaf aix: if its the first time on the server, north
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14:42 aix thanks
14:43 Megaf if they are teleported to spawn somehow, then usually the same way they were facing before being teleported
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14:51 aix so i just reset my server's map
14:52 Fixer winsuck$ 10 to be correct
14:53 bulldozer ^
14:55 Hi_to_all_ Hello
14:55 Hi_to_all_ Megan am I muted on your server
14:56 Hi_to_all_ Megaf*
14:56 Megaf Hi Hi_to_all_
14:56 Megaf Hi_to_all_: what's you nick there?
14:57 Hi_to_all_ Hi_to_all
14:57 HonoredGlory this must be my friend, hi buddy
14:57 Hi_to_all_ Joining in a minute
14:58 Megaf Hi_to_all_: you just din't have interact, granted you now
14:59 Hi_to_all_ Ok
14:59 Hi_to_all_ Looking For Mods
15:01 * Hi_to_all_
15:03 Megaf curl http://ftp.ie.debian.org/debian-cd-weekly/a​md64/iso-dvd/debian-testing-amd64-DVD-1.iso > /dev/sdc
15:03 Megaf Debian it is
15:05 Megaf Hi_to_all_: I saw you...
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15:09 Hi_to_all_ HI
15:09 Megaf Hi
15:09 Megaf I saw you there
15:09 Megaf for seconds
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15:24 Hi_to_all_ Yes I couldn't talk
15:25 Hi_to_all_ I have nothing to do so I'll be joining back
15:27 Megaf "Privileges of Hi_to_all: fast home shout interact"
15:27 Megaf you can speak
15:31 IhrFussel Hi_to_all_, on my server it's just spawn no / in front ... or /goto spawn
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16:00 IhrFussel agaran, now it lags almost every minute again
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16:01 agaran IhrFussel: for past 20 minutes Uni was using worldedit..
16:02 IhrFussel agaran, I saw that I just can't always see when he uses it cause he can do it via UI not only commands xP
16:02 agaran ;)
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16:26 aix anyone seen Zeg9?
16:27 Krock !seen Zeg9
16:27 MinetestBot Krock: zeg9 was last seen at 2014-06-11 18:45:28 UTC on #minetest
16:27 Krock MTB did, yes
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17:40 agaran IhrFussel: can I get creative temporaly?
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18:01 IhrFussel agaran, works?
18:02 agaran IhrFussel: yep thanks
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18:39 Hi_to_all Hey
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19:43 Megaf Hi all, finally back
19:44 Megaf installed Debian Stretch with XFCE, good and bad
19:44 Megaf if I stay away from minutes and XFCE locks itself it will be impossible to unlock, I have to kill the display manager and start it again
19:47 agaran turn off xscreensaver?
19:47 agaran I use xfce daily.. on debian8..
19:47 Megaf yep, it works fine on Debian 8, and it used to work fine on Debian 9 months ago, but that's what you get for using testing
19:48 agaran oh well
19:48 Elench What's the good?
19:48 Megaf very fast, wifi, fn keys, brighness, OpenCL, VDPAU, everything works
19:49 Megaf but bluetooth due to missing firmware, that I already got it
19:51 Megaf Actually I'm suprized how fast it is, specially because I'm running it from a slow usb flash drive
19:51 Elench Fast especially is good
19:53 Megaf I don't know if it's becasue some trickery on Ext4 or what
19:53 Megaf Maybe just caching a lot
19:57 Megaf !server Megaf
19:57 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/20, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 6ms
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20:18 Megaf And now I'm going to Debian Unstable/Experimental
20:18 Megaf that will be fun
20:18 Calinou have fun being looked at like a 12 year old by Debian Developers
20:18 Calinou :|
20:19 Megaf lol
20:19 agaran Calinou: you say that I am 12 years old? yay.. finally young
20:21 Megaf if you want to live dangerously in Debian here is a sources.list for you http://paste.debian.net/plain/808182
20:21 Megaf Calinou: I have 3 Debian installs in this latop, one stable, one testing and this one that will be unstable/experimental ;)
20:21 Megaf the stable is for serious stuff
20:22 Megaf the testing is mostly for gaming and multimedia, and this experimental for testing
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20:22 Megaf btw, my server is on Debian Wheezy, 7
20:23 Calinou >Debian oldstable
20:23 Calinou how can you...
20:23 Calinou my Godot builds don't support Debian oldstable :)
20:23 Megaf they should!
20:23 Megaf oldstable FTW!
20:23 Calinou Godot can build on Ubuntu 12.04 (so it can support Debian 7), but it's not worth it considering that it'll be EOL in 7 months
20:24 Calinou so I build on 14.04
20:24 Megaf oh, squeeze is no longer supported
20:24 Megaf Squeeze had benefited from Long Term Support (LTS) until the end of February 2016. The LTS was limited to i386 and amd64. For more information, please refer to the LTS section of Debian Wiki.
20:25 Calinou good thing
20:25 Megaf https://wiki.debian.org/LTS
20:25 Calinou supporting software for an overly long time is a recipe for failure
20:25 Calinou I'm pretty critical of Canoncial supporting Ubuntu LTS for 5 years already
20:25 Calinou (3 years was fine, really)
20:26 Megaf Windows XP from 2001 still kinda suported by MS, bia Windows Embeded thing, for ATMs and stuff
20:27 Calinou yeah and that's BS
20:27 Calinou it's broken beyond repair
20:27 Megaf funny how they are creating new words for old stuff and making people buy. Like IoT that is just embedded stuff
20:28 * Calinou doesn't believe in "if it ain't broken, don't fix it", software deserves innovation
20:28 * Megaf partially agrees
20:28 agaran not 'just' embeded.. they push internet to every damned thing..
20:28 Megaf decades ago there was a guy who ran NetBSD on a toast
20:28 Megaf toaster*
20:29 Megaf several years later with much more powerful microcontrollers a guy ran Linux on a toaster
20:29 Megaf IoT before it was cool
20:30 Fixer_ Megaf: you sure? I thought it was a joke
20:31 agaran Fixer_: today some keyboards have 70MHz arm inside. not enough for linux but way more thanneeded for keyboard..
20:32 Megaf Fixer_: it was a joke,  as lots of things on BSD and Linux world, but it was a functional joke
20:32 Megaf here is the NetBSD toaster https://www.embeddedarm.com/so​ftware/arm-netbsd-toaster.php
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20:41 Jordach Megaf, http://i.imgur.com/j4neSDA.png :( I think this issue is cause by Cycles not supporting >4GB cards
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20:48 Megaf Jordach: oh
20:48 Megaf is that your favourite render?
20:48 Jordach or Polaris needing a different version of OpenCL
20:49 Megaf OpenCL, hm
20:49 Jordach nothing mentioned in the blender 2.78 builds either
20:50 Megaf almost finishing the first stage of the upgrade to experimental here :)
20:51 Megaf I will install blender and see how it works later, I have OpenCL
20:51 Megaf support by GPU
20:52 Megaf OpenCL info for this laptop http://paste.debian.net/plain/808215
20:52 Jordach mfw i can run RX12, Vulkan games, but not blender
20:52 Jordach DX12*
20:54 Megaf !server Megaf
20:54 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/20, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 6ms
20:54 Megaf that was a quick repply from the bot
20:54 Jordach considering she's in London, no dobut
20:55 Megaf Ok, will reboot to Unstable now, that's my first stage of upgrade, if everything goes well, I will join again here and then "upgrade" to experimental
20:55 Megaf cya
20:57 Megaf back
20:57 Megaf than went well
21:01 Megaf Jordach: what's the version of blender you have there? And where did that Render come from?
21:01 Jordach Megaf, standard scene with a sky texture added
21:17 Megaf I wish there was a way to set a giant disk buffer and to make writes to disk as not often as possible
21:17 Megaf my USB flash is very slow to write...
21:17 Megaf IO Wait is huge
21:19 Fixer_ after updating my ff to 47 now i got random freezes
21:19 * Megaf broke Debian by going to experimental (that was kinda expected)
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21:23 Megaf Jordach: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOSa_09i9oM
21:23 Megaf !title
21:23 MinetestBot Megaf: Real Face of Jesus from the Shroud of Turin - new DVD available - YouTube
21:23 Jordach ufuckinwotm7
21:24 Megaf Jordach: they say there was 3D info there
21:24 Megaf hold on
21:25 Megaf Jordach: here, https://youtu.be/nOSa_09i9oM?t=156
21:25 Megaf that part is interesting
21:26 Megaf just watch for 30 seconds...
21:26 Jordach just did
21:26 Jordach reminds me
21:27 luke4378 .,.
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21:28 luke4378 ,-,
21:30 Megaf I wonder, assumind Jesus was real, and Mary was virgin, it if it was a miracle, and not a genetic accident. Where the genetic information that made Jesus came from?
21:31 * Jordach is suspicious that higher powers exist
21:31 luke4378 :P
21:31 Jordach there are times where my heart was at failure point and didn't kill me, nor the times i should have been hit by high speed vehicles
21:32 * Megaf was supposed to have died lots of times too
21:32 Megaf from birth until now,
21:32 Jordach meanwhile, trump got blessed by a goddamn bishop - something's going on
21:33 Megaf I actually badly damaged a car when I crashed with my body into it at 60+ Km/h when I was going downhill with my bike
21:33 luke4378 .,.
21:33 luke4378 dang
21:33 Megaf broke the windshield with my head
21:33 Megaf not s single fractured bone
21:33 Megaf not a *
21:33 Megaf just small cuts
21:34 luke4378 ,-,
21:34 Megaf was wearing helmet, but still, 60 Km/h is 60 Km/h
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21:39 Hi_to_all Hi
21:39 luke4378 hello ,-,
21:39 Hi_to_all Hello luke
21:40 luke4378 .,.
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21:55 Hi_to_all GUNSHIP
21:59 YvesLevier About pipeworks deployer.  The item i push in it stays in Deplyer first rank.  So then even a try to deploy a sequence of objets, ony the first it receive will be deployed.  As if i didnt understand how to stack diff objects to get realised.  Have a clue about what i didnt catch?
22:01 YvesLevier Bref i dont figure why a deployed cube stays in deployer inventory
22:45 YvesLevier I dot it using a delayed filtor injector.
22:45 YvesLevier node detect dont seem to work with carts.  Is there a detector rail?
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23:18 Volkj hi, using /give singleplayer cobble 10000 i get 10k cobble, however trying 70k gave me about 4k cobble, is that overflowing?
23:20 Volkj got it, over 65536 using /give it gives  number - 65536
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23:46 Megaf Hey Someguy123
23:46 YvesLevier Carts : Look as impossible to detect.  I also tried with solar panels and carts are transparent as glass.
23:46 Megaf ^^
23:47 Megaf Someguy123: I join some channels you do too, #android ##hardware #git #bitcoin #minetest
23:47 Megaf and we both play Minetest
23:47 YvesLevier Then : Carts are not considered as nodes, transparent and there is no detector rail...
23:48 Someguy123 hi Megaf
23:48 Someguy123 well okay
23:49 Megaf YvesLevier: hm, I'm sure there is a way
23:53 YvesLevier Megaf: Thx to reply.  I would expect so, but how?
23:55 YvesLevier Im thinking about a sheep generator then if cart hit a sheep i suck wool with pipeworks then i know a cart passed there
23:55 YvesLevier means im stuck
23:56 YvesLevier brb 10 mins

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