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01:57 agrecascinoW2K would minetest run on windows 2000?
01:58 agrecascinoW2K answer, yes it does
02:04 DonBatman That was 16 years ago agrecascinoW2W
02:04 DonBatman That is amazing
02:06 agrecascinoW2K http://puu.sh/qHyax/04292ab2bf.png
02:06 agrecascinoW2K proof
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02:06 DatJohnDoe Anyone on? i need some help
02:07 agrecascinoW2K DatJohnDoe, yes?
02:07 DonBatman Not sure I can help but ask your question anyway
02:07 DatJohnDoe how can i allocate more ram to minetest? i have 6gb's
02:08 DonBatman Why do you need more allocated to minetest?
02:08 DatJohnDoe just for better fps
02:09 DatJohnDoe and so i can run with good settings
02:09 agrecascinoW2K 30 fps on a pentium4 with a geforce 4 ti
02:09 DatJohnDoe i have a very crappy graphics card
02:10 DonBatman Allocating more ram won't make a difference I don't think
02:10 agrecascinoW2K DatJohnDoe, becaue of how c++ works, you can't just allocate more ram to minetest
02:10 agrecascinoW2K it'll allocate as much as it needs
02:11 DatJohnDoe so how can i speed it up? other than changing settings all the way down?
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02:11 DonBatman As far as I know you can't do much besides changing settings
02:12 agrecascinoW2K drop the render distance
02:12 DatJohnDoe ah ok
02:12 DonBatman but there are a number of things being worked on that will improve speed
02:13 DatJohnDoe Ok, thanks for the info
02:14 DonBatman Did you change your maximum fps?
02:15 agrecascinoW2K w2k is definitely my favorite version of windows
02:15 * Chinchou facepalms
02:15 DonBatman agrecascinoW2W you ran win 2000 in a vm?
02:15 agrecascinoW2K nope
02:15 agrecascinoW2K actual machine
02:15 agrecascinoW2K a dell precision 520
02:15 Chinchou I wonder where the "MOAR RAM gib MOAR FPS" idea came from...
02:16 * agrecascinoW2K hears java noises
02:16 Chinchou Pffft
02:16 DonBatman Ya
02:16 Chinchou OK, point.
02:16 DonBatman Wonder if win 95 would run MT
02:17 agrecascinoW2K if i could have windows 2000 with non-broken acpi support, my life would be complete
02:17 DonBatman I gave up on windows a long time ago
02:18 Chinchou ^
02:18 agrecascinoW2K I dual boot w2k and openSUSE
02:18 agrecascinoW2K i'm also insane
02:18 Chinchou I see.
02:18 DonBatman Linux is very stable now and easy to use and install
02:18 Chinchou ^
02:18 DonBatman I am just crazy. I haven't made it to insane yet
02:18 Chinchou I use straight Debian, personally.
02:19 Chinchou My sanity is questionable, but remains within radar range.
02:19 Chinchou That's because I don't use Arch yet.
02:19 DonBatman I got stuck on ubuntu and haven't changed in years
02:20 Chinchou Eww.
02:20 Chinchou I'm sorry to hear that.
02:20 Chinchou =w=;
02:20 DonBatman I use gnome ubuntu
02:20 Chinchou My...
02:20 DonBatman I like how it works
02:20 Chinchou Gnome 3 is a mess.
02:20 DonBatman I know but I am stuck
02:21 Chinchou Ouch.
02:21 DonBatman I am using LXDE on my other computer
02:21 Chinchou I use Enlightenment.
02:21 DonBatman How is it?
02:21 Chinchou It is quite possibly the only software to get praise from me.  D:
02:22 Chinchou I love E17.
02:22 Chinchou I haven't looked at 18 or 19.
02:22 agrecascinoW2K i hate enlightenment
02:22 Chinchou Heh
02:22 DonBatman Looks interesting
02:23 agrecascinoW2K mainly because it segfaults every 10 minutes
02:23 Chinchou 17, at least, is very easy to work with.
02:23 Volkj years to come to E17 then E18 and E19 in a couple of years, versioning's magic
02:23 Chinchou o_O
02:23 Chinchou agrecascinoW2K, I can honestly say that I see SEGVs from it very rarely.
02:24 Chinchou Even when it does, it recovers perfectly.
02:24 Chinchou At least from a user's point of view.
02:24 agrecascinoW2K Chinchou, i found a way to consistently crash it
02:24 agrecascinoW2K open vlc 3
02:24 agrecascinoW2K *CRASH*
02:24 Chinchou pft
02:25 Chinchou Well, I never use VLC.  I have too many problems with VLC itself to bother with it over SMPlayer.
02:25 agrecascinoW2K we need winewm
02:25 Chinchou Ehhhh...
02:25 agrecascinoW2K i'm sort of a fanboy of the w2k, w2k3 look
02:26 agrecascinoW2K basically i'm completely obsessed with w2k
02:26 agrecascinoW2K it's not healthy
02:26 Chinchou In any case, I do have VLC installed due to deps, and my flatmate has used it here...  Never saw a SEGV from E17 from that.
02:26 Chinchou It sounds like VLC is misbehaving.
02:27 Chinchou I like the boxy look wo w2k, myself, but the colour scheme is too bright for my tastes.
02:27 Hirato install gentoo
02:27 Chinchou s/wo/of
02:27 Chinchou How did I even do that.
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02:28 agrecascinoW2K Chinchou, i personally like the light grays and the blue fades
02:28 Chinchou agrecascinoW2K, did you use a self-built copy of Enlightenment?
02:28 agrecascinoW2K Chinchou, no
02:28 Chinchou The one I'm using is from the Jessie repo.
02:29 Chinchou I like dark colour schemes such as E17's default.
02:29 agrecascinoW2K http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/175914-in​tel-kabylake-driver-for-win2000-released/
02:29 agrecascinoW2K this fucker is crazy
02:29 Chinchou That's probably because my eyes are adjusted to nocturnal activity and are sensitive to light...
02:30 Chinchou What the blag.
02:30 agrecascinoW2K Chinchou, i like dark themes in thins like ides, but not in my wm
02:30 Chinchou I really should eat something, but I'm too lazy.
02:31 Darkside_ that's why i bought a microwave :D
02:31 agrecascinoW2K Chinchou, oh god i know that feeling
02:31 Chinchou agrecascinoW2K, the contrast between a dark-themed application and a bright-themed WM is ugly to me.
02:31 Hirato i like dark themes too, the problem is that they just cause too much trouble with certain developers... like Mozilla
02:31 Chinchou Eww, microwaves.
02:32 Chinchou I'll probably go cook a soyburger once hunger takes over.
02:32 Darkside_ put the cat in it, meeow! bleep! Splat!!
02:32 Chinchou Nuuu kitty!
02:33 Chinchou Reason I'm not owned by a cat:  Many keyboards, many wires.
02:33 Chinchou I count four ethernet cables in this room alone.
02:35 agrecascinoW2K i have a 5 port switch
02:35 agrecascinoW2K http://puu.sh/qHzDU/64d20e7bae.jpg
02:35 agrecascinoW2K art
02:37 Chinchou I have two switches.
02:37 Chinchou 8-port and 4-port, and all but two ports are in use.
02:37 sea` Themes? In my opinion, if you can see enough pixels to say it's 'dark' or 'light', you're wasting screen space. My WM doesn't draw any pixels onto the display at all, and is entirely keyboard driven (because there's nothing to click on!)
02:38 Chinchou Ah, you use one of those WMs.  Well, that's a fair point, though I personally don't need that much of my 1600x900 display.
02:39 Chinchou Also, I like being able to easily resize my windows.  I'm very picky about the size and shape of my windows.
02:40 Hirato so your desktop is ascii based?
02:40 Chinchou Pft
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02:40 Hirato Chinchou: he said it doesn't draw any pixels :P
02:41 sea` No it's graphical, it's just that the WM doesn't draw anything. Windows are literally drawn directly onto the background or fullscreen. No border, no 'X' to close or minimize or whatever. None of that.
02:41 Chinchou The WM doesn't.  There are WMs that don't draw borders and the like.
02:41 Chinchou How do you determine what's focused?
02:41 Chinchou Does it even /have/ a focus system?
02:42 sea` No, this particular one just does every window fullscreen. The window right in front of me is the one with focus
02:42 sea` It can do the usual floating window stuff, but there's no focus indicator
02:42 Hirato Chinchou: the WMs still have to draw the window's contents itself, unless it's not a compositing WM
02:42 sea` You just have to type a bit to figure it out
02:42 DonBatman What wm is it?
02:43 sea` SEA-WM :)
02:43 Hirato are you the developer?
02:43 sea` I copy pasted some of the code from some other stuff and compiled it once it started to work
02:43 sea` er, compiled it* and left it once it started to work.
02:43 sea` It has no features coz I can't be bothered
02:44 Hirato You should try Wolfenstein WM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FjuPn7MXMs :3
02:45 DonBatman I prefer having things to click
02:45 Chinchou ^
02:46 sea` oh wow, wolfenstein WM is cool
02:46 Chinchou I like my floating windows and focus indicators.
02:46 * Chinchou tends to have at least eight terminals open at any given time
02:46 Hirato it was pretty cool, don't think it went anywhere though
02:46 Hirato was just a fun demo for wayland by the looks of it
02:47 sea` Ah, but I think that using the mouse causes carpal tunnel, so I avoid it at all costs. I even got the mouseless browsing plugin for firefox. I only use the mouse in games, and I'm happy to report no carpal tunnel so far
02:47 sea` So the plan is WORKING
02:47 sea` :)
02:47 Chinchou I get strain from typing even when not using the mouse at all.
02:47 Hirato I use super sensitive mice, so they move about 4000 pixels in an inch
02:48 Hirato and that is with a flat acceleration profile
02:48 Chinchou I move the mouse with my elbow and shoulder, not my wrist, except when I need very accurate moves.
02:49 Chinchou ... It is time for a soyburger with baby spring greens and vegenaise.
02:49 Chinchou Excuse me.
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02:50 DonBatman ewww
02:50 DonBatman :P
02:58 sea` Are there mods to make minetest more colourful?
02:59 DonBatman rgb
03:01 DonBatman I can't seem to find the mod but rgb has all the colors
03:02 DonBatman Are you looking for something like rgb that is for creative or are you looking for  a gen type mod
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03:29 agrecascinoW2K does anyone understand the internal coordinate system in minetest
03:33 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Fire: Use 'enable fire' setting instead of 'disable fire' cabf80b https://git.io/v6Me1 (2016-08-20T04:29:32+01:00)
03:33 MinetestBot [git] daniel@danielimac.local -> minetest/minetest_game: Default: Improve fences inventory/wield images 0883854 https://git.io/v6MeM (2016-08-20T04:27:48+01:00)
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09:01 segfault22 Is 160GB enough hard drive space for a minetest server for 9 months, until larger drives can be acquired?
09:02 Krock redcrab's map isn't more than 100 GB and that one existed for a looong time
09:02 segfault22 It's going to be set-up with RAID-1, so if one disk fails the data doesn't get lost forever
09:03 segfault22 cool
09:03 segfault22 Redcrab's server is like huge
09:04 segfault22 I can't fit the 2 additional drives in the computer case, and there are not enough SATA power connectors on the PSU, so I'm using an external disk-cage and an additional PSU hotwired to run just the disks
09:07 Krock I've only lost one HDD in the last 6 years. An IC on the control board got roasted somehow
09:08 Krock not sure if the fail rate is a high risk
09:08 segfault22 you have good luck, then
09:10 segfault22 It's probably far more likely that the computer's motherboard will die before the hard drives, because I've already had to replace the RAM capacitors and there's some problem with the built-in graphics chip
09:11 segfault22 I am going to use a command-line-only installation of Ubuntu so that it doesn't have to use the failed graphics chip and so there is not any other "crap" consuming resources (X window system, widgets, dialogs, etc.)
09:12 Krock my board modification: http://imgur.com/RLjpVXA
09:13 Krock that was 2 years ago when I revived this mainboard :D
09:14 Krock it kept overheating.. mounted a cooler and later a fan on it.. no problems \o/
09:15 segfault22 cool
09:17 segfault22 have you ever had to replace bad capacitors, like some of those from the counterfeit capacitor "plague" that reached the board manufacturers
09:18 Krock sorry, which caps do you mean exactly?
09:19 segfault22 like, the electrolytic "drum" capacitors that have all that nasty goo inside them, and the counterfeit ones work for a few years and then leak all over everything
09:20 Krock oh these. Yes. I also added two caps on my 5V and 12V rail. Sometimes the HDDs didn't start up well anymore
09:21 segfault22 cool
09:21 Krock well, it's kinda an old PSU
09:21 segfault22 hey, your board looks like it has both IDE and SATA connectors, am I mistaken
09:21 Krock yes but I have no SATA drives
09:22 Krock (none built-in but two in my shelf)
09:23 segfault22 cool
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09:35 Krock shamoanjac, don't take https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?p=230218#p230218 serious. Youe use SPACES to indent instead of TABS.
09:36 Krock * You
09:36 shamoanjac the superior method
09:36 shamoanjac :^)
09:36 Krock sadly
09:38 Krock spaces are horrible. You can customize the tab width - one character is one "depth" of code
09:38 Krock but spaces? They're fine to make similar lines match in length but aren't useful to indent
09:43 shamoanjac meh
09:43 shamoanjac I'm a PEP8 fanboy
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09:49 Krock "Spaces are the preferred indentation method. "
09:49 Krock I'd slap that guy if I could
09:50 Krock actually three people
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10:09 segfault22 spaces have only two places that I know of: acting as a separator between two actually existing code elements, and acting as part of a string so that it is readable. everything else is misuse.
10:10 segfault22 that is, within Lua and C/C++/C# and other programming languages that can be written with a basic notepad-style text editor
10:10 segfault22 tabs FTW
10:12 shamoanjac the code sould reflect the vision of the author
10:12 shamoanjac that's why spaces are preferred
10:12 shamoanjac looking at code with a different indentation than the original is like watching dubbed anime
10:13 segfault22 improper use of one's tools shows there's something missing in their vision, probably not for the better
10:13 segfault22 Is there such a mod that allows players to protect actual chunks, as in 16^3 cubes of nodes perfectly aligned with the actual chunk system?
10:13 segfault22 I couldn't find it on the forum,...
10:16 segfault22 I have to go try to sleep for a few hours,... it's too early already and I didn't get any coding done as I had planned :/
10:17 segfault22 goodbye y'all,... thank you for the feedback and for keeping me company
10:19 Chinchou Eww, tabs
10:19 Chinchou Lunch calls.
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13:02 * Chinchou headdesks repeatedly
13:04 meldrian hi there
13:04 Chinchou o/
13:06 Chinchou Time to see if current git still has a client that throws an "unsupported protocol version" without any network activity whatsoever.
13:08 Chinchou If this hasn't been reported at all by anyone else, I'm inclined to think that one of my libraries is buggy... somehow.
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13:08 agrecascino are nametags drawn at the player?
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13:16 xunto agrecascino: what do you mean?
13:17 xunto You mean "on client"?
13:30 agrecascino yes
13:31 agrecascino xunto, i modified the rendering code for nametags, and the parent node is wayyyyy off where the player is
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13:37 Chinchou Hmm...  Looks like the new build doesn't have that bug.
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13:39 Chinchou To clarify:  A git build from two days ago had a client that was semi-randomly throwing an "unsupported protocol version" error even when no server was up, and, indeed, without generating any network activity.
13:40 Chinchou A build from just now doesn't seem to be doing that.  So, no idea what's going on there.
13:41 Chinchou Generally, it was every second attempt to connect that would fail that way, but attempting to connect to a second server and then the first again rendered /all/ attempts "bad".  = o=
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13:50 xunto agrecascino: I can't say much without screenshot and code)
13:52 MinetestBot [git] t4im -> minetest/minetest: Tidy up generate_from_settingtypes.lua a bit. 6590140 https://git.io/v6MCa (2016-08-20T15:48:47+02:00)
13:52 MinetestBot [git] t4im -> minetest/minetest: Move generation from settingtypes out of dlg_settings_advanced ba50127 https://git.io/v6MCV (2016-08-20T15:48:47+02:00)
13:53 agrecascino http://paste.opensuse.org/91059096
13:53 agrecascino this player is within 10 nodes of me
13:58 agrecascino http://paste.opensuse.org/73738795
13:58 agrecascino that's the code
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14:08 xunto agrecascino: and your coordinates are the same with camera's ones?
14:08 agrecascino xunto, i'm drawing nametags with a certain level of opacity, depending on distance from camera
14:08 xunto I see it)
14:09 xunto I'm asking if camera coordinates is player coordinates
14:09 xunto *are
14:09 agrecascino I think?
14:09 agrecascino they seem correct
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14:11 agrecascino nevermind, they definitely aren't
14:11 xunto Heh
14:11 xunto I think that they are in different coordinate system or something
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14:17 xunto https://github.com/minetest/minet​est/blob/master/src/camera.h#L182
14:17 xunto agrecascino: I don't completly know but maybe this is what you should use
14:18 xunto Oh! No!
14:18 xunto agrecascino: https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/master/src/camera.h#L90-L95
14:18 xunto Here
14:18 xunto :)
14:19 sfan5 agrecascino: the camera does some interesting stuff to not glitch out with large coords
14:19 agrecascino i am using getPosition
14:20 sfan5 i dont know whether thats correct
14:20 xunto agrecascino: but you used m_cameranode->getPosition() instead of this->getPosition()
14:21 agrecascino oh
14:21 xunto They seems different
14:22 est31 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=ne​ws_item&px=Fedora-25-Wayland-Default
14:22 est31 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1763
14:22 est31 :(
14:22 est31 minetest will break on fedora 25, very bad
14:22 xunto >// Get the camera position (in absolute scene coordinates).
14:22 xunto agrecascino: I think that this is exactly what you need
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14:24 agrecascino 2016-08-20 10:23:42: WARNING[Main]: Player pos -13792.273438 -2648.886230 576.642883
14:24 agrecascino 2016-08-20 10:23:42: WARNING[Main]: Tag pos -1729.264648 -655.000244 573.410400
14:24 agrecascino that made it worse
14:24 xunto heh
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14:30 xunto agrecascino: do you still need my help or keep trying yourself?)
14:32 agrecascino xunto, i have no idea what's going on
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14:42 agrecascino these nametag positions make no sense
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14:44 xunto agrecascino: i think that it's not nametag positions
14:44 xunto It's your player position
14:44 agrecascino 2016-08-20 10:44:44: WARNING[Main]: Player pos -13783.429688 -2648.866211 591.403748
14:45 agrecascino this is correct, though
14:45 agrecascino except you divide by 10
14:46 xunto Hm. One second.
14:46 xunto const float BS = 10.0;
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14:47 xunto Coordintes are not in blocks. They are in coordinates. But block size is 10.
14:47 xunto That's why coordintaes that big in cpp
14:48 agrecascino xunto, i know
14:48 xunto I forgot it)
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14:51 xunto agrecascino: can you try m_playernode.getPosition ?
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14:58 agrecascino player position is correct, nametag is far off
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15:21 shamoanjac where was the option to download a server's map again?
15:22 behalebabo shamoanjac: enable_local_map_saving = true
15:22 shamoanjac thanks
15:23 shamoanjac where is it saved? in .minetest/worlds?
15:24 behalebabo yes, I believe so
15:41 nolsen http://imgur.com/2yiL3h7 So true.
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16:00 agaran IhrFussel: i mean, all player dirs are one directory if it is not larger than some hundred mb, I'd try make shmfs, put them there.. and try.. shmfs is instant in compare to physical drive.. no ever lag caused by head reposition (faster than ssd even)
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16:02 IhrFussel agaran, do you mean another type of hard disk? My server is running on a v server so I have no physical access to it
16:02 agaran IhrFussel: not really hard disk
16:03 agaran if you look at mounted fs, there is something like tmpfs on /run/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,size=411100k)
16:03 agaran you can use same (setting noatime even) on it, and mount it where player data is stored.. it is volatile, when you reboot, but for testing if that is lag source should be fine
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16:04 agaran and it uses some of system ram for that..
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16:05 agaran and yes, I know it is workaround.. but first you need to find out what actually causes problem.. right?
16:05 IhrFussel Well we can ask the experts here first: Everyone, can too many player files ( 10,000+ ) cause constant server lag?
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16:08 agaran also you may use noatime (though it reduces traffic only a little)
16:09 agaran so access time changes without modification of file won't be saved to filesystem, it reduces load when files are just read
16:09 IhrFussel LazyJ, FYI: You protected a large area on my server which also affected other player's areas...we waited a total of 3 weeks for you to logon and fix it but you didn't join, so we had to remove your protection
16:11 IhrFussel agaran, If someone confirms that a huge amount of player files can indeed cause server lag then I will think about how to increase file access/read times
16:12 LazyJ IhrFussel, thanks. I had asked one of your admins to set the protection. I'm busy with tending to my own server, projects on other servers as well as tending to real-life's responsibilities. I'm spread-thin and can not always log in every day or even once a week.
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16:14 IhrFussel LazyJ, okay well I wasn't told that a moderator set the protection I figured it would be you since you know how to do it...but maybe the area was too large to protect without areas priv? I understand that you are busy in life I just wanted to clarify that we didn't remove the protection "for fun"
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16:58 nosrick I've got a question for y'all.
16:59 nosrick Anyone about I can bother?
17:00 KaadmY i'm afk, sorry
17:00 agaran nosrick: ask question, more chances for answer
17:00 KaadmY this is an automated response to prevent people from pinging me
17:00 nosrick HEY KAADMY
17:01 KaadmY this is an automated response to prevent people from pinging me
17:01 shamoanjac nosrick, magic mod when
17:01 nosrick SOON
17:01 shamoanjac Y E S
17:01 nosrick I've almost got my research selection woring.
17:01 nosrick working*
17:01 nosrick Alright, so in on_receive_fields is it possible to access dynamically named fields?
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17:04 KaadmY nosrick: fields.<x>
17:04 Hawk777 nosrick: on_receive_fields receives a table, so you should be able to use fields[fieldname], where fieldname is a variable, no?
17:04 KaadmY on on_recieve_fields
17:04 nosrick Well, let me describe what I'm doing; I'm naming the buttons (which are dynamically created) as "research0", "research1", etc.
17:05 nosrick So should I be able to go fields["research1"]?
17:05 Hawk777 Yeah.
17:05 nosrick Cool, I'll try that!
17:05 Hawk777 If t is a table, then t.foo is exactly the same as t["foo"] for all possible foo.
17:05 Hawk777 But the latter, as you see, takes a string in quotes, and can alternatively take a variable.
17:06 Hawk777 I mean, if it’s literally fields["research1"], then you could also say fields.research1. But if you had an index in a variable or so, you could do something like fields["research" .. tostring(research_number)]
17:07 nosrick That's exactly what I did, and it works!
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17:19 IhrFussel Can forceloading cause constant server lag?
17:19 agaran yes, to some degree because it has to keep a lot of things in mem thus having likely active ABMs too
17:20 IhrFussel Cause my force_loaded.txt file is not empty...I'm guessing mesecons is the troublemaker then
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17:20 agaran well depends how many mesecons stuff you have operating..
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17:22 IhrFussel Well but it's not caused by mobs mod, not by the chat bot, not by the exp and idle time calculator...mesecons is the only heavy mod left I think that could cause this
17:23 IhrFussel And it would make sense...more players online = more map blocks loaded = more mesecons actions processed
17:23 agaran yep, but in Megaf server there is -lot- of used mesecons.. and after removing mobs it is less problematic with lag
17:25 IhrFussel Well I will not remove mesecons..I just want to find out which part of my game server causes the lags...I can try to reduce the processing when I know what causes it
17:25 agaran hmm you can add logging when mesecons forceload block to see how many are actually loaded by them
17:25 agaran mesecons/mesecons/util.lua contains routine which does forceloading
17:26 IhrFussel Are you still connected?
17:27 agaran sure
17:27 agaran 3.4465
17:28 IhrFussel This is way too high...a few weeks ago it was MAX at 1.X maybe
17:28 nosrick Guess whose research system works now?
17:28 agaran nosrick: :) congrats
17:28 nosrick Thanks, guys. :)
17:28 agaran IhrFussel: well I get ya, I am still making glass it will take a while..;)
17:30 IhrFussel agaran, You know I actually hoped that it would be the idle/exp mod cause I just checked and it checks the idle time of each player EVERY server step
17:30 nosrick shamoanjac, you want to have a play about with my mod?
17:30 agaran IhrFussel: yep, but ouch, every server step is -very- often..
17:31 IhrFussel Yeah I can reduce that but it's not the source for the lags...
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17:32 agaran hmm profiler should be able to show how much time you spend in lua thread.. that would give hint for abm/lbm load
17:32 agaran not sure how to use profiler in mt tho, never tried yet
17:33 agaran I see that minetest here uses few threads so if one is lua then it can be tracked from outside
17:34 agaran nope, minimesh, map and send/receive threads..
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17:35 IhrFussel The profiler in my version is not very helpful...mine is 0.4.13-dev compiled in May...unfortunately they improved the profiler only just now (Jul or Aug)
17:36 agaran I have 0.4.14 stable
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17:36 agaran but I was looking at threads in 'top' simply..
17:36 agaran hoping that lua is thread so you can see peak of usage for one of threads..
17:41 Hawk777 IhrFussel: Mesecons stores a list of forceloaded chunks in worldname/mesecon_forceloaded, so you could just compare that list to force_loaded.txt to see which are its fault and which are due to other mods.
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17:43 IhrFussel Hawk777, well it doesn't contain many entries but I'm guessing even one entry could cause heavy lag if the block needs to load many different mechanics
17:43 Darkside_ slither.io that game is fun, made it to top 10 as #10 yesterday :0 killing huge snakes as tinybigone :p so much fun gonna play again today :)
17:44 Hawk777 Well, yes. Forceloading is unfortunately a bit hammer; the fault might not strictly lie with mesecons nor with some other mod, but the combination—mesecons might be responsible for forceloading some blocks but not doing all that much with them, while the other mod is responsible for making those blocks expensive.
17:44 Hawk777 s/bit/big
17:45 IhrFussel Hawk777, does forceload mean the blocks are always loaded in memory? Or only when players are near them?
17:45 Hawk777 Always. A forceloaded blocks is roughly equivalent to one that is near a player.
17:45 Darkside_ yeah that whole mapblock
17:46 IhrFussel Well my lag gets worse when more players connect...not sure if that could really be caused by forceloaded blocks
17:46 Hawk777 How Minetest works is that blocks near a player *or* that are forceloaded are always in memory and all ABMs, entities, etc. in them are active. Beyond that, a lot of other blocks might also be in memory as a cache (to avoid rereading them from disk), but they are not active, so ABMs/entities/etc. do not do anything in those blocks; thus they should not have much impact on CPU.
17:47 Hawk777 I would guess that’s one of two things, either the blocks near those players are using up CPU, or else having more players means more network bandwidth used.
17:47 Hawk777 Depending on which resource you’re running out of.
17:48 IhrFussel Hawk777, the average load is almost always below 1,00 even when the server lags every few seconds, RAM usage is less than 50% and network speed is 1gbit/s
17:48 Hawk777 Single-CPU or multiple?
17:48 Hawk777 (core, hyperthreading, etc.)
17:48 Hawk777 Load average equal to # CPUs means fully loaded.
17:49 IhrFussel Hawk777, AMD dualcore
17:49 Hawk777 But honestly, I don’t really know anything about diagnosing Minetest lag. I just play it and occasionally submit pull requests to mods.
17:49 Hawk777 Hm.
17:50 Hawk777 Do the lag spikes correlate to disk accesses? Could it be getting stuck waiting to read stuff from disk?
17:51 IhrFussel 1 MB is the maximum it writes to the disk at trhe same time iotop says
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17:54 IhrFussel I can only repeat that the problem suddenly appeared...my server worked without lags for months and then they started
17:54 Hawk777 Well, sorry, can’t really help then :/
17:55 IhrFussel Maybe it lagged when 30+ players connected but now it does with 5 online
17:55 Hawk777 What about general maintenance? Disk defragment? Database full vacuum if you’re using sqlite?
17:56 IhrFussel I will disable mesecons next restart and see..thanks for the help =)
17:56 Darkside_ oh buggy game engine,there must be a way to flush loads of data clear cache or something to kill lag, maybe it's just the size of data for the game stored already causing problems after a while :/
17:56 IhrFussel Linux has no fragmentation AFAIK...and I don't know if there is a way to clean up the sqlite DB without destroying data
17:57 Darkside_ i stopped building worlds for myself just got sick of the meltdowns lol
17:57 Krock fragmentation depends on the filesystem
17:57 Hawk777 VACUUM FULL would be the command you’re looking for to clean and reorganize an sqlite database.
17:58 Hawk777 Fragmentation can be a thing on Linux; IIRC there’s a command to show you how fragmented a file is which is named something like filefrag.
17:58 agaran for postgresql i'd use vacuum verbose analyze..
17:58 agaran depends on filesystem, on some it is different.. like xfs
17:58 Hawk777 Ah, sorry, it’s just VACUUM, not VACUUM FULL, for sqlite.
17:58 Krock IhrFussel, I thought the clue about cleaning up IS destroying data
17:58 Hawk777 No parameters accepted.
17:59 Hawk777 VACUUM doesn’t modify any data, it just repacks the database file, shrinks it to remove unused space, that sort of thing.
17:59 Hawk777 (space as in disk space, not geographic space in the Minetest world)
18:01 IhrFussel So the FS is reiserFS
18:01 IhrFussel Seems like it does have fragmentation issues
18:03 Krock oh my god. Format everything with Fat32
18:04 Darkside_ that old lol
18:04 IhrFussel I can't choose the FS my server is "Strato Linux V Server Level 1" you can look it up if you want
18:05 Krock Darkside_, yeah. Like your USB flash drive
18:05 Krock I bet it's formatted with Fat32
18:08 Darkside_ i need some more coffee ;3
18:09 Krock sudo make coffee
18:09 Krock Error: Don't know how to make coffee
18:09 Krock (or similar)
18:09 Darkside_ ;0
18:10 Krock related: https://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/unix.errors.html
18:11 IhrFussel My output of that is weird "make: *** No rule to make target `coffee'.  Stop."
18:13 Krock how boring
18:13 Krock try $ cat "can of food"
18:14 IhrFussel cat: can of food: No such file or directory
18:14 Krock please slap the developers for me
18:15 nosrick Anyone want to dick about with MAGIC?
18:16 Krock it's magic you know never believe it's not so - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzlK0OGpIRs
18:16 Krock not going to "dick" about it. good song.
18:17 nosrick Oh Krock, you scamp.
18:17 Krock ack.
18:17 IhrFussel LOL I found a funny command telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl
18:18 Krock The hard work was done by Simon and Mike,
18:18 Krock I just placed it online in a different format.
18:18 Krock lol
18:18 nm0i I got k-lined for keeping irc-gateway to minetest on ircnet i used.
18:18 Krock and 20 century text
18:18 nm0i Is there any goog place to host irc-gateway to minetest server?
18:18 nm0i *good
18:19 Krock IhrFussel, thanks for that great site :D
18:24 IhrFussel Krock, no problem :D And I just now learned about "fork bomb"
18:24 agaran IhrFussel: want to see what I made for stress loading mesestuff?
18:24 Darkside_ you hackers you ;p
18:24 Krock start "Forkbomb" /high %0
18:25 IhrFussel You mean what you built on my server?
18:25 agaran IhrFussel: yep
18:25 IhrFussel Sure one sec
18:25 agaran 7.1 and going up..
18:27 Darkside_ fasten your seatbelts!
18:27 agaran not -that- good to cause load but it is tiny thing in fact
18:29 Krock Darkside_, seatbelts? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT6u0bE6vTw
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18:29 Krock (a song of them)
18:30 IhrFussel I'll join as testuser___3 to prevent players from spamming me with requests
18:30 agaran sure
18:30 Krock Nosrick, you missed another music reference
18:31 Darkside_ i created massive lag on Pizza server with lots of mesecons and glowlights and some blinky plants, if your trying to achieve that, i replaced blinky plant with powerplant ofcource to help keep server running smooth ;)
18:31 Nosrick Oh, poop.
18:32 Darkside_ framerate drop was insane ;) was testing and playing a bit with it ;)
18:32 Krock found a new abbreviation to remember: PEBCAK (= You are the problem)
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18:34 Darkside_ its looking awesome though imaging a skybase with a mesecons grid over whole the build glowing in the darkness :)
18:39 IhrFussel Krock, does the max_lag value update in realtime?
18:39 Krock no, it decreases by factor 0.99 per step (or similar) until it gets pushed upwards again
18:40 IhrFussel But the increasing happens in realtime?
18:40 Krock I think so
18:41 Krock two weeks ago my network lag wasn't shown up there. Check the F5 graphs for "rudp_rtt", it's the time that a packet took to you
18:42 Krock the peak value there was sometimes up to 50s but the max_lag didn't increase
18:43 IhrFussel WAIT...max_lag doesn't display the SERVER lag? Or does it show server+client lag?
18:44 Krock afaik it should display the lag of the laggiest user on the server
18:44 Krock heck, is there no wiki entry for that?
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18:45 IhrFussel Krock, but laggy players shouldn't cause delay of server actions right?
18:45 Krock no, the server doesn't care about them
18:46 Darkside_ i go work on my home at megaf server ;) bbl
18:50 IhrFussel I will restart the server with disabled mesecons
18:51 Krock players will be happy about the unknown nodes
18:51 agaran IhrFussel: now, or I finish next row of thing?
18:51 IhrFussel Krock, just trying to find the troublemaker...right now I have no idea
18:51 nm0i alias evrything with cobble \o/
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18:52 Nosrick mn0i are you an anarchist? You must be MAD!
18:52 IhrFussel agaran, you may finish the row first
18:52 Krock IhrFussel, slow internet connection? Too high active block range?
18:53 IhrFussel active_block_range is 1 and network speed is 1gbit/s
18:53 Krock too high and too slow
18:53 * nm0i makes note in plan to make "Cobble only" game with no other blocks.
18:54 Krock get a better connection
18:54 Krock just kidding. That's really strange
18:54 Krock nm0i, you'll fail. You need air and ignore
18:54 IhrFussel Well I will see if the lag problem is gone after removing mesecons...I have a strong feeling it will
18:55 Krock maybe a placebo affect
18:55 Krock *effect
18:55 nm0i Krock: air is overrated. Real builders can live without it.
18:57 Krock they can fly anyway. no matter if air or not
19:01 agaran nm0i: they breath mese crystals?
19:03 nm0i Real builders can breathe cobble.
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19:22 IhrFussel This is driving me crazy!!! I disabled now all mods except for the default ones and the lag REMAINS...
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19:22 agaran IhrFussel: that would mean lag somewhere not related to mods, they only make it worse but aren't sole source?
19:25 Krock build from scratch?
19:26 IhrFussel You mean get new version, compile and move the old world to it?
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19:30 IhrFussel Krock, 0.4.14 stable or 0.4.14 dev which is better for servers?
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19:30 Krock dunno. Both are about the same crashy
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19:30 IhrFussel So I shouldn't use 0.4.14 at all?
19:31 agaran IhrFussel: Megaf has 4.14 and still lag happened there, 0.4.14 release works for me but..
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19:33 Krock MTB broken or force push without a commit change?
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19:39 Krock push push
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19:42 agrecascino i feel bad for people that don't have military surplus stores
19:42 agaran heh, i feel bad form myself that I can't buy stuff from some of them I found on 'nets
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19:43 agrecascino they fucking surplused a lga 2011 machine
19:43 agrecascino why
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19:46 agaran agrecascino: because sometimes they list nice stuff like scopes..
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19:49 IhrFussel Is the one-liner script by Calinou still up to date?
19:49 Krock yes
19:49 IhrFussel And what was the option for disabling client build and only having server side?
19:50 Krock -DENABLE_SERVER=1
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19:50 Krock est, it's enough. thanks.
19:51 agaran not that cmake . -DBUILD_CLIENT=0
19:51 agaran and somebody mentioned that you need irrlicht dev stuff available when building server
19:51 Krock ^ IhrFussel
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19:53 IhrFussel The one-line script should download all necessary packages
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19:57 agaran IhrFussel: let me know when you finish so I can reconnect
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20:01 Krock sfan5, MTB has a broken record. She keeps repeating the same text. Bug?
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20:04 IhrFussel agaran, it's compiling now
20:04 DonBatman I think est31 is spamming. Did you make him upset Krock?
20:04 Krock DonBatman, no this rather seems to be a bug with MTB
20:05 DonBatman happened a couple days ago too
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20:06 Krock let's sue sfan5 for this
20:06 DonBatman MT-bot is not as advanced as Krock-bot
20:06 DonBatman Does sfan have money?
20:06 DonBatman Millions?
20:07 Krock billions IIRC
20:07 DonBatman Cool. On the phone with lawyer now
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20:09 DonBatman Krock. My lawyer said "Don't be a baby. Shit happens"
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20:14 agaran is it safe to rely on gc in luajit, doing copies of anything when possibly needed, or better to not stress it too much?
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20:16 IhrFussel agaran, should be online
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20:21 IhrFussel Krock, it still says 0.4.13-dev...bug or did I do something wrong?
20:21 Krock 0.4.13-dev??
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20:21 IhrFussel Yes I installed from the one-liner
20:21 Krock are you sure that you fetched all commits?
20:22 IhrFussel I deleted the entire minetest folder before i executed the git command
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20:23 Krock that's impossible.. it gets the master branch
20:25 agaran and you did do make install? or ran binary from /usr/(whatever), where newly compiled still waits?
20:25 IhrFussel Wait...maybe I'm using the wrong executable? I did minetest --server ... do I need to run minetestserver as command?
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20:25 Krock minetest --server is the same
20:26 agaran you can try 'hash' to show where it found binary
20:26 agaran in shell, shows where bash found binary i $PATH
20:27 Krock IhrFussel, you could check the modification date of that binary
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20:29 Markow Is the MinetestBot broken, posting the same git commit over and over again? ;)
20:29 Krock yes
20:30 Krock DonBatman called his lawyer to sue sfan
20:30 Markow lol
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20:30 Markow Grrrrrr...one more time, and I'm going to swing my wooden sword at MinetestBot ! :P
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20:30 IhrFussel WHAT THE.../usr/local/share/minetest is still the old one
20:31 IhrFussel Doesn't it overwrite it when it exists??
20:31 Krock Markow, use an unobtanium sword
20:31 Markow ;)
20:31 Krock IhrFussel, maybe it was saved somewhere else
20:32 MinetestBot [git] est31 -> minetest/minetest: Also support X11 icon for minetest copies installed via make install … f092dac https://git.io/v6Mwb (2016-08-20T21:26:44+02:00)
20:33 IhrFussel Krock, so just to m ake sure: Before i start the one-liner I remove /usr/local/share/minetest and the minetest folder in my home directory?
20:33 DonBatman Markow where is the sword?
20:33 Krock IhrFussel, but you already ran the script
20:34 Krock no need to delete the binary. it must be overwritten if it's the correct location
20:34 MinetestBot [git] est31 -> minetest/minetest: Also support X11 icon for minetest copies installed via make install … f092dac https://git.io/v6Mwb (2016-08-20T21:26:44+02:00)
20:35 IhrFussel I see what the script did...it didn't touch the folders it only replaced the files...ok I'll look where the binary is
20:35 * Markow strikes MinetestBot  with ⚔
20:36 MinetestBot [git] est31 -> minetest/minetest: Also support X11 icon for minetest copies installed via make install … f092dac https://git.io/v6Mwb (2016-08-20T21:26:44+02:00)
20:37 est31 sfan5, minetestbot is acting strange ^
20:37 est31 OldCoder, maybe mute minetestbot?
20:37 est31 (until sfan5 fixes it)
20:38 OldCoder Hi
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20:38 OldCoder Reading up
20:38 OldCoder What is mute command?
20:38 MinetestBot [git] est31 -> minetest/minetest: Also support X11 icon for minetest copies installed via make install … f092dac https://git.io/v6Mwb (2016-08-20T21:26:44+02:00)
20:38 OldCoder /mute?
20:39 * OldCoder Googles
20:39 OldCoder est31, ^
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20:39 est31 no idea :)
20:39 OldCoder Googling
20:39 Krock there's /ignore
20:39 Krock (for me at least)
20:40 OldCoder Ah
20:40 OldCoder Quiet
20:40 IhrFussel Krock, I have minetest and minetestserver as executables in bin folder...minetest was modified in May minetestserver today
20:40 OldCoder Done
20:40 OldCoder Tell sfan5 about the issue
20:40 Krock uh okay. then you know what to do. run the server over minetestserver
20:40 est31 thanks OldCoder
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20:41 MinetestBot [git] est31 -> minetest/minetest: Also support X11 icon for minetest copies installed via make install … f092dac https://git.io/v6Mwb (2016-08-20T21:26:44+02:00)
20:41 Krock OldCoder, pinged him some times in this channel but let's flood him with messages just to make sure :P
20:41 est31 :/ didnt work
20:41 est31 maybe ban it then?
20:41 est31 I don't know, but somehow I always manage to break MTB :)
20:43 OldCoder Huh
20:43 agaran thats the skill
20:43 MinetestBot [git] est31 -> minetest/minetest: Also support X11 icon for minetest copies installed via make install … f092dac https://git.io/v6Mwb (2016-08-20T21:26:44+02:00)
20:43 OldCoder Wait
20:43 OldCoder I quieted it
20:43 OldCoder *google*
20:43 agaran maybe op flag is overriding +q ?
20:43 OldCoder Hmm
20:43 agaran try on me if you want
20:43 OldCoder Sorry, bot...
20:43 OldCoder No, will ban bot temporarily
20:43 OldCoder agaran, OK actually
20:44 OldCoder agaran, you cannot speak now
20:44 OldCoder Correct?
20:44 agaran t
20:44 OldCoder agaran, you can speak now
20:44 OldCoder Correct?
20:44 MinetestBot was kicked by OldCoder: MinetestBot
20:44 OldCoder c'est la vie
20:45 Nosrick RIP Minebot
20:45 xunto :(
20:45 OldCoder agaran, t y
20:45 OldCoder Bot is not deceased
20:45 agaran rest in pieces?
20:45 OldCoder Bot will be back to pleased
20:45 agaran ;)
20:45 OldCoder Bot is friend to the end
20:45 OldCoder So message to sfan5 we send
20:45 agaran true
20:45 agaran wow, poetry
20:45 OldCoder Bot pieces return from tea with nieces
20:45 OldCoder sfan5, fix your bot
20:45 OldCoder
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21:11 OldCoder
21:11 OldCoder http://minetest.org/mods/name_restrictions.zip
21:11 OldCoder Install or update this to block Sadies/Exploration ^
21:11 OldCoder
21:12 OldCoder Need latest version
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21:21 Megaf !server Megaf
21:21 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/24, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 8ms
21:24 Nosrick It's hard to find testers for your mod when you have no friends.
21:24 OldCoder Nosrick, enemies will test
21:25 OldCoder Hoping to find flaws
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21:25 OldCoder http://minetest.org/mods/name_restrictions.zip
21:25 Nosrick I don't have any of those, either.
21:25 Nosrick They're all dead.
21:25 OldCoder GunshipPenguin, install or update that ^
21:25 OldCoder Nosrick, I know the feeling
21:25 OldCoder http://minetest.org/mods/name_restrictions.zip
21:25 agaran Nosrick: magic mod?
21:25 OldCoder No More Sadies Send Them to Hades :P
21:25 OldCoder Nosrick did you make the wands?
21:25 Nosrick MAGIC MOD!
21:25 OldCoder What magic?
21:25 Nosrick No, I'm making a Master of Magic homage mod.
21:25 * OldCoder has been testing magic mods
21:25 OldCoder Ahh
21:25 OldCoder Will it work in a Harry Potter world?
21:26 Nosrick You know, it probably would.
21:26 Nosrick Though you cast from books, rather than wands.
21:27 agaran not that much to change wand to book or otherwise if you have all code done
21:27 Nosrick That's true.
21:27 Nosrick I've been thinking about getting the wands to cast magic, rather than books, but I'm not sure how to do it.
21:29 Nosrick A menu would be most obvious, but it'd also be really clunky.
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21:33 agaran or wand for some part of spells to have short menu, and bigger in book where are like utility spells and then slowness of finding needed one is not issue?
21:33 Nosrick Hm, that could work.
21:34 Nosrick Maybe using an IJKL setup for the wand casting?
21:34 agaran I did notknow you could bind keys for custom stuf..
21:34 Nosrick Ah, I'm not sure you can... I'm positive it's possible, though.
21:35 Nosrick I'm sure I've seen a mod with it.
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21:46 Nosrick Two people are testing my mod. I am super duper nervous.
21:49 DonBatman Don't be nervous. Be greatful that people are going to give feedback so you can improve your mod :)
21:50 Nosrick So far, no feedback...
21:50 Nosrick I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing.
21:51 DonBatman oooooo that is bad. Be nervous now
21:51 DonBatman :P
21:51 Nosrick D:
21:51 DonBatman Just kidding
21:51 DonBatman They are most likely enoying your mod and trying everything they can
21:51 Nosrick There's not a huge amount to it, yet. An hour, maybe.
21:51 nm0i hi
21:52 Nosrick Hey!
21:52 DonBatman hi
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22:01 Nosrick_ Anyone feel like doing some testing? :P
22:02 betterthanyou710 sure
22:02 betterthanyou710 im bored
22:02 betterthanyou710 need somethin?
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22:02 Nosrick_ Yeah, I'd love it if you could give me a bit of feedback on my mod.
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22:04 Nosrick_ https://github.com/Nosrick/MoMTest
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22:07 shamoanjac id like to test ur mom :^)
22:08 Nosrick_ I walked right into that one.
22:11 Megaf !server Megaf
22:11 Megaf bot?
22:11 Megaf !up mt.megaf.info 30003
22:12 shamoanjac rip
22:12 Megaf 2016-08-20 19:07:05: ERROR[CurlFetch]: servers.minetest.net/announce not found (Failed binding local connection end) (response code 0)
22:12 Megaf and I got that in my server
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22:26 nm0i !help
22:26 MinetestBot https://github.com/sfan5/minetestb​ot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
22:27 Nosrick_ Oh, for anyone trying my mod; you need to type /wizard to get set up, and then build a Font of Magic.
22:27 Megaf !server Megaf
22:27 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/24, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 7ms
22:27 nm0i !seen Megaf
22:27 MinetestBot nm0i: megaf was last seen at 2016-08-20 22:27:46 UTC on #minetest
22:28 sfan5 whats this magic
22:28 sfan5 why did minetestbot time out
22:28 sfan5 but my bouncer did not
22:33 Megaf how do I use ccache?
22:33 nm0i CC=ccache ?
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22:34 Megaf that's the first thing I tried...
22:35 Megaf but it fails
22:35 Megaf I have several compilers installed, maybe ccache is using the wrong one
22:36 nm0i Try to symlink right ones to ccache
22:37 DonBatman sfan5 your bot was kicked for spamming chat
22:37 nm0i like `ln -s /usr/bin/ccache ~/bin/gcc` or something
22:37 sfan5 DonBatman: i'm not talking about that
22:38 DonBatman Ok
22:38 nm0i Megaf: also check if `ccache -s` says everything you expect
22:39 Megaf /usr/bin/cc and /usr/bin/c++
22:39 Megaf these are the compielr I want ccache to use
22:40 Fixer_ "Microsoft Has Broken Millions Of Webcams With Windows 10 Anniversary Update"
22:41 Fixer_ aw yeas
22:41 Fixer_ soo good
22:42 nm0i that'd be something like `lns -s /usr/bin/ccache ~/bin/cc;ln -s /usr/bin/ccache ~/bin/cxx;PATH="~/bin:$PATH" make CC=cc CXX=cxx`
22:44 Megaf I give up of this thing
22:44 nm0i Sorry
22:44 nm0i It might fail for no obvious reasons because of your compiller versions, too.
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22:55 betterthanyou711 #minetest-edutech
22:55 betterthanyou711 Oops
22:56 betterthanyou711 OldCoder does it matter if i said it here by accident
22:56 Megaf nm0i: echo 'export PATH="/usr/lib/ccache:$PATH"' | tee -a ~/.bashrc &&source ~/.bashrc && echo $PATH
22:56 Megaf that worked
22:56 Megaf no links needed
22:56 Megaf $ which g++ gcc
22:56 Megaf /usr/lib/ccache/g++
22:56 Megaf /usr/lib/ccache/gcc
22:56 nm0i because your distro have them set up in /urs/lib/ccache :P
22:57 nm0i oh
22:58 nm0i May be it dislikes cxx btw, I forgot
22:58 Megaf because Debian is good :)
22:58 Megaf not very good, just good
22:58 nm0i Nah
22:59 nm0i http://harmful.cat-v.org/softw​are/operating-systems/os-suck
22:59 Megaf agaran: I updated the engine and subgame on my server, didnt update the mods yet, can you check later if things look ok please?
23:00 Megaf nm0i: I don't have any RAM left now to open a browser xP
23:00 Megaf make -j 16 using all ram
23:00 nm0i Now you have to learn how to pipe ccache into distcc
23:00 * nm0i hides
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23:01 Megaf you do the opposite
23:01 Megaf nm0i: any compiler machine will make distcc use ccache
23:01 Megaf instead of using ccache on the "master"
23:01 nm0i I ment that
23:07 Megaf Windows 95 doesn't suck, it blows.
23:07 Megaf lol
23:07 Megaf LMAO
23:07 Megaf Eunice sucks so bad Larry Wall made special mention of it.
23:12 Megaf nm0i: failed to build, some weird errors
23:13 Megaf will just use clang 3.8...
23:16 nm0i Megaf: linking may fail separately from building
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23:19 Megaf it fail building
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