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02:14 nolsen Is there a way to fix the lightning bug from moretrees?
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02:31 paramat nolsen a partial fix is to use the moretrees option of placing saplings
02:31 paramat https://github.com/minetest/minetest​/issues/3421#issuecomment-202032200
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02:32 nolsen paramat: What about what I said in -dev?
02:32 nolsen oh, you didn't see it.
02:32 paramat mgv7 terrain is fairly stable yes
02:32 paramat i did
02:33 nolsen paramat: Strange.
02:33 nolsen I just see too much oceans, extreme hills, sometimes floating islands, and not even deserts, or plainlands.
02:33 paramat mgv7 has more smooth flatish land than mgv6
02:33 nolsen not enough deserts*
02:34 paramat deserts and grass plains are balanced with other biomes, but over a large scale, 1000s of nodes
02:34 paramat mgv7 has floaty stuff due to 3D noise
02:35 nolsen So, you just have to explore really far to find it..
02:35 nolsen That wouldn't be bad I guess, if mapgen wasn't slow.
02:35 paramat yes, mgv7 is on a larger scale than mgv6
02:35 nolsen But I am using fly + fast move.
02:37 paramat core mapgen isn't slow
02:38 nolsen Well, it either taking some time to generate, or the server is limiting me.
02:38 nolsen Because it seems to not generate unless I am very close.
02:38 nolsen or take a while.
02:39 paramat server may have slow mods such as moretrees
02:39 paramat any lua mapgen mod will slow down core mapgen too
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04:29 Hijiri on nolsens server I travelled several thousand nodes before finding my first rubber tree, in the middle of the ocean
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04:42 nimbius hi minetest
04:42 nimbius im interested in providing a soundtrack for the game.
04:42 nimbius how do?
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06:16 Fritz01 Hello
06:18 Fritz01 How can i customize the main menu in minetest (i'm on android)?
06:22 Calinou Fritz01: there's not a lot of room for customization possible
06:22 Calinou in fact, theming is not possible at all currently
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06:25 Fritz01 Thanks
06:27 Fritz01 But its weird that MT resets his files at every access (still talking about android), isn't it?
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06:28 Fritz01 I mean, its not good for the players
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06:35 Calinou Fritz01: official Android client?
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06:43 Fritz01 Yes
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07:38 aix https://sr.ht/lvAw.txt ...
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09:21 Megaf !server Megaf
09:21 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 1/24, 0/3 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 8ms
09:22 JamesTait Good morning all!  Happy Wednesday, and happy Black Cat Appreciation Day! 😁 🐈
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10:39 alkotob__ This is very impressive
10:39 alkotob__ http://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/mappin​g-and-modding/minecraft-mods/2578768-grappl​ing-hook-mod-v7-magnetic-grappling-hook-and
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11:12 Megaf man, it is amazing how well HHVM performance scales when you add ram to the system
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11:12 Megaf with 256 MB of RAM my HHVM can handle up to 17 request per second, with 512M of ram it can easily handle 838 request per second.
11:13 Megaf Calinou: ^
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11:14 Megaf I'm benchmarking with this ab -n 10000 -c 200
11:16 Calinou HHVM is pretty RAM-heavy
11:17 Calinou hhvm: error while loading shared libraries: libvpx.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
11:17 Calinou tried hhvm in Arch packages :/
11:18 Calinou I do have libvpx installed
11:18 Megaf I use HHVM from HHVM's repo
11:18 Megaf on Debian 7
11:19 Megaf Calinou: I like HHVM because I can use it as web server, so no nginx, lighttpd nor apache. I have HHVM alone
11:19 Megaf and it takes care of PHP itself
11:19 Megaf so less layers
11:20 Calinou I can try building from source
11:22 Calinou Megaf: results of my Fibonacci sequence (recursive function) benchmark: https://lut.im/9jT5Xcyjnr/UqnhvipuToiXmws9.png
11:22 Calinou HHVM isn't included yet :p
11:22 Megaf Calinou: Go is amazing indeed
11:23 Calinou Go 1.7 has substantial performance improvements, it just landed in Arch
11:23 Megaf Amazing that OpenJDK was so fast
11:23 Calinou both compile time and run time
11:23 Calinou also yes, typically OpenJDK is faster than Mono…
11:23 Calinou despite most people saying "Java is horrible" :)
11:23 Megaf depends if its well compiled or not
11:23 Megaf java virtual machine can be fast, very fast
11:24 Calinou however I'm quite sure Rust uses less RAM than OpenJDK does
11:25 Megaf the Go test was interpreted mode or compiled?
11:25 Calinou compiled
11:25 Calinou you can run Go interpreted? :o
11:25 Calinou I did "go run fibo.go", that is
11:25 Megaf I think so, can't you?
11:25 Calinou pretty sure that compiles it
11:30 * Megaf will download Go from GIT and build it
11:33 Calinou started building HHVM :p
11:33 Megaf error: pathspec 'go1.7' did not match any file(s) known to git.
11:34 Megaf lol
11:34 Megaf oops
11:34 Megaf go$ git checkout go1.7
11:34 Megaf error: pathspec 'go1.7' did not match any file(s) known to git.
11:34 Megaf there
11:34 Megaf what now?
11:34 Calinou follow the README? :P
11:35 Megaf Precisely
11:35 Megaf https://golang.org/doc/install/source
11:35 Megaf Calinou: &
11:35 Megaf ^
11:35 Calinou :/ HHVM doesn't build here, "erreur : ‘MEMBARRIER_CMD_QUERY’ was not declared in this scope"
11:36 Calinou Megaf: Go is written in Go, thus you need a compiler installed already, 1.4 series is suggested
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11:43 Megaf $ apt show golang-1.7
11:43 Megaf Package: golang-1.7
11:43 Megaf Version: 1.7~rc4-1
11:43 Megaf Dat moment when Debian is more up to date than Arch Linux
11:43 Megaf Calinou: ^
11:43 Megaf Now Debian is faster, easier and more recent than Arch
11:43 Megaf Arch and RIP
11:45 Calinou Megaf: uh, I have 1.7 already
11:45 Fixer for some strange reason I lost my videosignal after reboot
11:46 Fixer reconnected DVI and it works again
11:49 Megaf I installed Go 1.7 here and have no idea how the binaries are called
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12:50 IhrFussel I'm not sure but I'm kinda assuming less objects per block means more server load? I mean..that's what I'm seeing...I had it at 35 before and the load was max 1.0 now with 25 objects allowed it's at 1.5
12:53 IhrFussel If you wonder why I would even reduce the objects limit: I have a serious lag problem and have no clue what causes it, so I tried the objects limit but that didn't help at all
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13:16 Darkside_ i think some mod(s) are responsible for the lag due to constant processing of information overloading the game engine :/
13:16 Darkside_ with no mods installed at all the game runs totally smooth with barely if any lag at all :0
13:21 IhrFussel Darkside_, so the game engine has an internal limit how much it can process? Cause the rest of the machine doesn't lag it must be the game itself
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13:22 Darkside_ yeah might as wel be, im not an expert on it, just putting up some info that might help pinpoint the problem ;)
13:25 IhrFussel Well I can try to increase the objects limit maybe that helps..maybe with too few allowed the engine is constantly busy with removing
13:27 IhrFussel Darkside_, thanks for helping me anyways =)
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13:39 Megaf Calinou: I think I will have to drop HHVM for Lighttpd with PHP-FPM
13:39 Megaf it uses all the systems memory
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14:59 Darkside_ Microsoft Windows is like air conditioning, Stops working when you open a window.
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15:00 Megaf lol
15:01 Megaf Calinou: Why you no at #HHVM ?
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15:07 swift110 setting up minetest on my sony vaio I will be installing it from source this time and I hope it goes well
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15:34 cheapie Well, this is a rather amusing programming fail...
15:34 cheapie I tried to make a Lua script that would output all areas (for the areas mod) owned by a specific user.
15:34 cheapie The actual output? "lightgreylightgreylightgreyli​ghtgreylightgreylightgrey..."
15:35 agaran interesting.. are you sure it wasnt just while true; do print lightgrey; end?
15:35 cheapie (the issue, by the way was that I had put name instead of v.name, and apparently there's a global variable created by something there holding "lightgrey")
15:36 agaran but why not v.name then?
15:38 cheapie Huh?
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15:40 agaran maybe I don't understand..
15:42 Calinou Megaf: I don't actively use it :P
15:42 swift110 hey cheapie
15:42 cheapie Hi.
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15:55 swift110 how are you cheapie
15:55 cheapie Okay, I guess. Sort of bored.
15:57 swift110 cool i am about to fix lunch
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16:42 Megaf Dr Evil and Austin Powers are the same guy!!!
16:42 Megaf OM
16:42 Megaf Oh My
16:42 Megaf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Evil https://en.wikipedia.org/wik​i/Austin_Powers_(character)
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16:50 sfan5 !c 4096*4
16:50 MinetestBot 16384
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17:04 Krock !c (99**99**99) + ' <3 Krock.'
17:04 MinetestBot Krock: Took to long to calculate
17:11 Megaf !c (99**99**99)
17:11 MinetestBot Megaf: Took to long to calculate
17:11 Megaf !c 99^99
17:11 MinetestBot 0
17:11 Megaf !c 2^2
17:11 MinetestBot 0
17:11 Megaf !c 2**2
17:11 MinetestBot 4
17:11 Krock ^ is toggle
17:11 Megaf !c 2**4
17:11 MinetestBot 16
17:12 Megaf so ** is ^
17:12 Krock (only Lua and myane some other languages use it as pow)
17:12 Krock *maybe
17:12 Krock no, ** is **
17:12 Krock and ^ is ^ but not **
17:13 Krock so ('^' == '^') == ("**" != "^")
17:13 Krock !c ('^' == '^') == ("**" != "^")
17:13 MinetestBot True
17:14 sfan5 toggle?
17:14 sfan5 you mean xor
17:15 Krock in school we call it toggle
17:15 Krock identical to xor
17:15 swift110 lol
17:16 Krock it's callde "caret symbol" btw
17:16 Krock *called
17:16 lisac Who's MT bot?
17:16 Megaf !c 1^0
17:16 MinetestBot 1
17:16 lisac !help
17:16 MinetestBot https://github.com/sfan5/minetestb​ot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
17:16 Megaf !c 1^0^0
17:16 MinetestBot 1
17:16 Megaf !c 0^1^0
17:16 MinetestBot 1
17:16 Krock lisac, not who. what. it's a bot
17:16 Megaf !c 1^1^1
17:16 MinetestBot 1
17:16 lisac I see. :P
17:17 lisac lol
17:17 Krock !c 1 << 99
17:17 MinetestBot 633825300114114700748351602688
17:17 lisac !op lisac
17:17 Krock oh nice
17:17 lisac :(
17:17 lisac Hi MinetestBot
17:17 MinetestBot Hi lisac!
17:17 Megaf !b64e This will be encoded!
17:17 MinetestBot VGhpcyB3aWxsIGJlIGVuY29kZWQh
17:17 Megaf !b64d VGhpcyB3aWxsIGJlIGVuY29kZWQh
17:17 MinetestBot This will be encoded!
17:18 sfan5 please use ##minetestbot to play with the bot
17:18 sfan5 thanks
17:18 Megaf !rand 1 1231238124230525325238412794127932459723084​2373217923746867832578327479247923479247923​4792374973456877877654467123456123456123456
17:18 MinetestBot 2354035546456306244157632428734401348259964​0913901427552321095104390574988388785892083​841216457959711072170264554357824085143998
17:18 Krock pls
17:18 lisac Okay :D
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18:11 swift110_ ok
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18:32 swift110_ ok so I installed asll of the dependencies for minetest what is nect
18:32 swift110_ next
18:40 swift110_ building now
18:46 swift110_ ok finished
18:47 swift110_ i built the target minetest
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18:48 swift110_ got the game to load but how do I get it to show up in my games menu? I am on linux btw
18:50 aix the games menu?
18:50 aix you did make right
18:50 aix now to install it you can do make install
18:50 aix or you can shove a .desktop file somewhere
18:50 aix i forget where the "menu thingy" is
18:50 swift110_ i did make already
18:50 aix okay
18:51 aix `make install` ?
18:53 swift110_ built target minetest what is next
18:55 aix run make install
18:55 aix "make install"
18:55 aix run that
18:55 aix have you done that
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18:55 BrunoMine hi
18:55 aix helllo BrunoMine
18:56 BrunoMine how i verify if a mod is active
18:56 BrunoMine ???
18:56 BrunoMine in code
18:56 swift110_ goodness I am so confused now
18:56 aix swift110: which commands have you run so far/
18:57 BrunoMine i am speak about modding LUA
18:57 BrunoMine exist any method (if default == "true" ?)
18:58 BrunoMine Sorry I do not speak English properly
18:58 swift110_ i did download and installed git as well
18:58 aix means nothing to me as far as commands go
18:58 aix have you done cmake, make, etc?
18:58 swift110_ so far I ran all of the dependencies from the readme.txt
18:59 aix alright
18:59 aix and the cmake . command?
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18:59 swift110_ yes cmake
18:59 aix cool
18:59 aix and the make command?
19:00 swift110_ did make -j
19:00 aix make can have more than one target, so `make` and `make install` or `make clean` or `make sandwich` do different things
19:00 aix uhm
19:00 aix i assume you put a number after -j, right?
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19:01 BrunoMine the method minetest.get_modnames() is necessary used for verify a active mod?
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19:02 swift110_ ok let me check
19:03 swift110_ i did make -j2
19:04 swift110_ that got me to built target minetest
19:04 aix alright
19:04 aix now
19:04 aix make install
19:04 aix you may have to run it as root
19:04 aix well, you will, do "sudo make install"
19:05 swift110_ ok its complete
19:05 aix coolio
19:06 aix check da menu
19:06 swift110_ not there
19:06 aix uhm
19:07 sea` Whoah
19:07 aix woah
19:07 sea` woooOAH
19:08 aix wah ;~;
19:08 sea` woh.
19:08 aix !rainbow woh...
19:08 MinetestBot 4wo7h.8..
19:09 swift110_ now i was in the minetest directory when i did the sudo make install command
19:09 sea` Okay, time to reboot.
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19:11 aix swift110_: try rummaging in /usr/share/applications
19:11 aix or something like that
19:11 swift110_ k
19:13 swift110_ hmm dont see it in there
19:14 aix well uh
19:14 aix check one of the other applications and see if you can modify it to run minetest
19:14 aix https://sr.ht/2SD7.txt fuck it use mine
19:15 aix minetest.desktop
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19:19 aix welcome back sea`
19:20 swift110_ not sure what else to do here
19:22 sea` aix, whoah, I'm back.
19:22 swift110_ i did this from git
19:22 aix <aix> https://sr.ht/2SD7.txt fuck it use mine
19:22 sea` swift110_: Let me do it as well, so I can see if there's anything you missed
19:22 aix put it in /usr/share/applications
19:22 swift110_ ok
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19:24 swift110_ put the text file into my usr/share/applications folder?
19:24 sea` Maybe there should be an automated installer.
19:24 swift110_ yes I agree with that
19:25 Hijiri for sources/.
19:25 swift110_ this should not be so hard
19:25 Hijiri s/\/./?
19:26 swift110_ ok well I need to restart this laptop ill be right back
19:26 Hijiri for menu thingsyou probably only need to relog
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19:50 swift110_ ok I am back
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20:09 nolsen Hijiri: Haven't seen you on the server in a while.
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20:28 swift110_ I was able to get the game to play but I need to have it show up in my games menu
20:28 swift110_ I have done cmake and make
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22:54 Hijiri nolsen: I was on a little yesterday (or was it the day before?)
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23:45 nolsen My server is now generates the strangest terrain: http://imgur.com/70CJtPx
23:47 nolsen Now lua mapgen is very slow.
23:47 nolsen Because etheral, moretrees, etc.
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23:53 Fixer_ nolsen: etherial is not exactly slow
23:54 Fixer_ nolsen: etherial is not lua mapgen, it just adds more biomes to any mapgen (except classic v6)
23:54 Fixer_ nolsen: it is very nice mod
23:54 Fixer_ nolsen: and is not slow at all
23:58 nolsen Fixer_: Well, something is slowing down lua mapgen, then
23:58 Fixer_ nolsen: it is not lua mapgen, lua mapgen is valleys
23:58 Fixer_ valleys mod
23:59 Fixer_ in lua
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23:59 Fixer_ C++ version is included in game
23:59 Fixer_ nolsen: try mod profiler

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