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00:00 The_Pyrrhonist hello all
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02:10 hmmmm EVERYBODY
02:10 hmmmm https://mega.nz/#!zEAU1AQL!oWJ63n-D​6lCuCQ4AY0Cv_405hX8kn7MEsa1iLH5UjKU
02:10 hmmmm DL this file before they take it down again
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02:42 Vault what is it hmmmm
02:43 hmmmm the nsa's 0days for cisco firewall appliances
02:43 hmmmm and possibly way more
02:43 Vault XD
02:44 Vault DMackey-, lives near me XD
02:45 T4im so you told people to download malware?
02:47 hmmmm stuff used to inject malware
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02:58 kaen noob question: how do I "right click" stuff on a tablet (in minetest)?
02:58 kaen my friend is apparently playing on one but she can't open doors
03:03 sea` hard press?
03:03 sea` That is, press and hold down for a long time
03:03 sea` If that isn't it, then..I'm not sure.
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03:47 nolsen !server [TUSS]
03:47 MinetestBot nolsen: [TUSS] The Ultimate Survival Server | minetest.nolsen.xyz | Clients: 2/15, 0/2 | Version: 0.4.14-dev / minetest | Ping: 152ms
03:48 nolsen Updated my server since it was lacking updates.
03:51 nolsen lol
03:51 nolsen That moment when a user call you a "hacker"
03:51 nolsen When really, you are just a server owner.
03:53 The_Pyrrhonist ha
03:53 The_Pyrrhonist teh l337n355
04:17 wilkgr The_Pyrrhonist, lol
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04:45 swift110-phone hey
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05:27 The_Pyrrhonist hiya
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05:32 Nosrick Hello!
05:32 Nosrick Sorry, was just finishing my breakfast off.
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09:10 JamesTait Good morning all!  Happy Tuesday, and happy Wave At The Surveillance Cameras Day! 😃 📹
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09:27 Megaf !server Megaf
09:27 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/24, 0/2 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 7ms
09:28 Megaf Good morning everyone and happy $(echo $JamesTaitDayMessage) day!
09:28 Megaf JamesTait: ^
09:28 JamesTait 😁
09:29 JamesTait Happy Wave At The Surveillance Cameras Day, Megaf! 😃 📹
09:30 Megaf So yesterday I found a cool way of doing minimal Debian installs, starting with the ISO mini.iso, that don't even has the base system on it, everything is downloaded from the internet. Them you just proceed to the install base system part, and skip the install kernel and install boot loader part, then finish the instalation. And done! you have a Debian system without kernel and boot loader
09:32 Megaf Then later I started it in recovery mode from the mini.iso and chrooted into the system, then added the repositories for a third party kernel, and installed the other kernel, and some essential package like initramfs-tools, and then installed the boot loader. Rebooted and then I have a system that is very small and dedicated to this single task I wanted it to do
09:33 Megaf JamesTait: that could be dangerous
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09:36 JamesTait Megaf, I'm increasingly of the opinion that surveillance cameras in general are dangerous.
09:38 shamoanjac you would think people learned the lesson from totalitarian regimes
09:39 shamoanjac you would think people learned the lesson from dystopian literature
09:39 shamoanjac they didn't
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09:59 Digit awareness of this amidst a sea of ignorance, and even gleeful support, is a very distressing predicament.
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10:16 MinetestBot [git] Jeija -> Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Merge pull request #282 from Hawk777/luacontroller-comment a3042b4 https://git.io/v6aNd (2016-08-16T12:14:33+02:00)
10:16 MinetestBot [git] Hawk777 -> Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Remove an obsolete comment. 53eaf2a https://git.io/v6aNF (2016-08-16T00:16:24-07:00)
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11:30 hisforever Hi I need to know how to make a Deck Chair please?
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11:37 Birgit Hallo everbody ... is there a command to set the spawn point for new user. I have a local game, no server.
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11:51 Fixer /sethome
11:51 Fixer or use a bed
11:54 twoelk or in the minetest.conf set: static_spawnpoint = x,y,z
11:55 Digit hrmm.  cant make a bed in my local game.  no animals encountered at all.  so, no wool etc.  i suppose there's a command for that too?
11:55 twoelk or see if Multispawn still works https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=7639
11:56 twoelk you can make wool out of cotton
11:57 twoelk you will find random cotton seeds in junglegras
11:58 twoelk there was also spawn_command https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=11&t=10668
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11:58 Digit ah, cool, thnx
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11:59 twoelk more mods about all sorts of spawning :D   --> http://krock-works.16mb.com/MTstuff/mo​dSearch.php?st=0&at=0&q=spawn
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12:03 twoelk Digit: the default game includes no animals or monsters. You will have to install a mobs-mod or use a subgame that includes them to have them in singleplayer
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12:16 IhrFussel Is it safe to remove an item from an inventory via player file when the player is offline? And is the item really gone then?
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12:25 Birgit but I can't use /sethome for others!? I tried it but it does not work
12:25 Birgit so, I will use the minetest.conf
12:27 Birgit hmmm ... do I need to create a minetest.conf for the game?
12:27 Birgit because I don't want to change the spawnpoints for other worls
12:27 Birgit worlds
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13:03 Fixer Birgit: i think you can specify settings in each world file I guess
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13:07 Fritz01 Hello
13:08 Fritz01 Is known when MT 0.4.15 will be relased?
13:09 sfan5 no
13:10 Fritz01 Ok thanks
13:10 Fixer no
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14:03 Fritz01 Hello
14:04 Fritz01 How can i make an APK archive?
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14:15 STHGOM Fritz01, idk, is there anything on Google?
14:18 Fixer Calinou: https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/662
14:21 Fritz01 STHGOM: Yes but they're all PC solutions, while i was looking for an Android solution
14:21 STHGOM ok, hmm..
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14:39 Calinou Fixer: don't have time to check, this can be closed…
14:40 Fixer Calinou: so close it :}
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15:53 The_Pyrrhonist hi all
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16:44 nolsen 2 people are actually playing on my wonderful server and not on android or ping timeouting? This is madness.
16:47 shamoanjac indeed
16:47 shamoanjac a sign from the Gods
16:47 shamoanjac the Armageddon is close
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16:55 T4im nolsen: Hijiri's fault
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18:14 Nosrick Anyone about?
18:16 The_Pyrrhonist all about that paper
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19:10 agaran Good evening
19:11 The_Pyrrhonist hiya
19:12 agaran if foo:bar() is equivalent to bar(foo), then if module foo has functions is it good to call it foo:foo.create_data() to get foo.create_data(foo) ? or thats too spaghetti?
19:13 rubenwardy that looks invalid
19:13 rubenwardy do you mean foo.bar:create_data()
19:13 agaran well, I wanted to avoid to put too much functions in global namespace, but maybe I misunderstood something..
19:14 rubenwardy so you have foo = { bar = { create_data = function() end } }  and want foo.bar.create_data(foo)?
19:14 agaran well I have foo module, that has foo.create_data = function (datastore) ... ; then I want use foo as its datastore as it operates on on datastore.net = {} anyway
19:14 rubenwardy if so, you can't use :
19:14 agaran ok, got it
19:16 agaran so for that I can make local foo_create_data = foo.create_data, and then use foo:foo_create_data(), right?
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19:17 rubenwardy what?
19:17 rubenwardy no
19:17 rubenwardy foo_create_data must be in the foo table
19:18 rubenwardy foo:bar() is the same as foo.bar(foo). foo must be a table, and bar must be the key of a function in foo
19:18 agaran good, so it partially solves my issue
19:18 agaran lets try to not break all stuff.. :)
19:23 agaran rubenwardy: worry not, if my minetest explodes leaving only voxel dust, it will be your fault ;)
19:25 Megaf !server Megaf
19:25 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/24, 0/2 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 8ms
19:25 nm0i !server Megaf
19:25 MinetestBot nm0i: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/24, 0/2 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 8ms
19:26 agaran hi Megaf
19:26 Megaf Hello
19:26 nm0i Hi
19:26 Megaf I'm thinking again if it worth it keeping the server running. When I could be using the resources it uses for other things.
19:27 nm0i Megaf: I reached today desert i found year ago.
19:27 nm0i There was house there.
19:28 agaran Megaf: yours choice, I recently have less time for anything..
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19:29 Megaf I will check my servers Patreon page, if there is any contribution on the last two months or the next month I will keep it running
19:29 Megaf otherwise is dead
19:30 agaran well don't remove it, just shut down.. lots of nice things are there..
19:30 nm0i Yeah, Its nice sightseeing
19:30 nm0i I'm kind of thinking about killing mine too, though.
19:30 Megaf Server will stay alive, we have one active contributor
19:31 Megaf 1 USD/month,
19:32 Megaf I don't mind expending resurces in my server, as long as someone care about it
19:32 agaran also lot of deeep holes to fall into
19:32 Megaf The thing is, I will not keep something that no one cares about
19:33 agaran well, that depends on no_one_cares() definition, I still did not finish stairs in mine..
19:33 nm0i !server Light
19:33 MinetestBot nm0i: Light creative | 178.79.185.175:30005 | Clients: 15/28, 15/25 | Version: 0.4.14 / stabilizer | Ping: 8ms
19:33 agaran though looking how deep it is.. i may never finish it..
19:34 agaran anyone knows if nodes that are just plain stone are somehow compressed so they take less space in datablocks in map? or anything ever visited always will take space?
19:34 Megaf chaging topics now, anyone here who stoped using chrome and begun using chromium?
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19:53 Darkside_ changing topic again, has anyone spotted a Bigfoot while on vacation?
19:55 Nosrick I am a bigfoot
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19:55 Nosrick A very small one
20:08 agaran I still have quantum bigfoot hdd.. does that count?
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20:17 Megaf nm0i: so, homedecor on a server makes the client uses lots of ram?
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20:24 hisforever Where do I find brass or whats the recipe for it?
20:24 shamoanjac brass from technic is made by alloying some metal + zinc
20:25 shamoanjac iirc
20:25 hisforever ty thats a big help
20:27 nolsen !server [TUSS]
20:27 MinetestBot nolsen: [TUSS] The Ultimate Survival Server | minetest.nolsen.xyz | Clients: 4/15, 0/4 | Version: 0.4.14-dev / minetest | Ping: 154ms
20:28 nolsen Damn, 4 users.
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20:30 nolsen !mod starterpack
20:30 MinetestBot nolsen: Could not find anything.
20:30 nolsen !mod startergear
20:30 MinetestBot nolsen: Could not find anything.
20:30 nolsen !mod Starter gear
20:30 MinetestBot nolsen: Could not find anything.
20:30 nolsen hm
20:31 nolsen Is there a mod that gives new users a set of items?
20:31 Nosrick !mod give start
20:31 MinetestBot Nosrick: Could not find anything.
20:31 Nosrick Huh, was sure that was it
20:31 Nosrick Yes, there is.
20:31 Nosrick I think it's actually built into Minetest.
20:31 nolsen How to use it?
20:32 Nosrick Or rather, part of minetest_game
20:32 Nosrick I have no idea, never touched it.
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20:55 nm0i Megaf: not lots.
20:55 nm0i Megaf: just more that without homedicor :P
20:56 Megaf agaran: maybe you could open an issue on github
20:56 Megaf <ACTION> 2016-08-16 17:54:03: [Server] CHAT: <agaran> Hello, heh, I again did not saw mesage, chat scrolls too fast
20:56 Megaf <ACTION> 2016-08-16 17:54:19: [Server] CHAT: <agaran> and I again got tported to -inf, floating in void..
20:56 nm0i And when you're compiling firefox that more is crutial.
20:56 agaran I could, though it perhaps would be better if I can provide way to reproduce.. and I can't
20:57 nm0i Tbh hasan's creative server has homedecor, yet mobile users able to play there.
20:57 nm0i Thought, It's probably only non-default mod it has.
20:57 * nm0i hides
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21:15 Megaf agaran: lots of players have been experiencing that for years
21:15 Megaf in my server at least
21:15 Megaf but I never managed to track down if it's a server or client issue
21:18 agaran I had that on other server few times too but never on local server in my home lan..
21:19 agaran anyway, sleep time for me, night
21:25 Megaf cya agaran, sleep well
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21:33 nolsen Shit.
21:33 nolsen There was shit going on my server, and I was afk.
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21:33 nolsen Then the server crashed for some reason >.>
21:35 nolsen u slow to generate index.mth.
21:35 nolsen generate,*
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21:43 nolsen T4im: beep
21:43 T4im yea, no idea why it crashed
21:43 nolsen Now everyone left D:
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21:44 nolsen Oh well, atleast more mods were added.
21:44 zeonicore Hello. Does anyone know how to revoke the various admin privileges in a singleplayer game?
21:44 T4im some of them will come back, once there's someone on the server again
21:45 T4im doubt you'll see that dad with its kid again though
21:45 T4im :/
21:45 T4im zeonicore: some are unrevocable, there is a issue open though, that wants to address that
21:46 T4im if you wanted to dig into the code you could change that manually in builtin/game/privileges.lua though
21:46 zeonicore I'll take a look at that
21:46 T4im just have them not be granted to singleplayer by default, it's quite straight forward
21:47 zeonicore It's only an annoyance when I accidentally give myself an item by clicking it in the inventory while trying to play survival
21:47 T4im oh, creative should be revocable
21:47 T4im try /revoke singleplayer creative
21:48 zeonicore Yeah but I think it's the give command that's invoked in the inventory.
21:48 T4im nah, you can also start the server in creative mode though
21:48 T4im then the priv is ignored
21:48 zeonicore The one included in mods I mean
21:48 T4im unified inventory honors the creative setting though
21:49 T4im as does the creative inventory
21:49 T4im uncheck the checkbox next to your world "creative" that should do it
21:49 T4im or if it's the give priv, then revoke that too :D
21:49 zeonicore I had it off and I double checked the setting in game. I'll keep looking around to see what I might have done wrong.
21:49 T4im it should be revokable as well
21:50 T4im if in doubt /revoke singleplayer all
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21:50 T4im that will definitely work
21:50 zeonicore When I run /revoke singleplayer all, nothing changes
21:50 T4im ok, then it's strange
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21:51 zeonicore And creative isn't one of my privs, but clicking one of the "give me:" buttons in the unified inventory will give me whatever selected number of items.
21:56 zeonicore I'll just go ahead and edit builtin/game/privileges.lua and see if that fixes it or not
21:57 alkotob_ Hello!
21:58 alkotob_ I couldn't find it on Google so I was wondering if there's a mod that add inter-server teleport
21:58 alkotob_ Nothing fancy, no transfer of items ofc
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21:58 alkotob_ Just to string servers together a la mmo
21:59 nolsen T4im: Oh boy.
21:59 nolsen jelly will not drop the language.
21:59 * nolsen grabs the banhamma
21:59 nolsen Nevermind.
22:00 nolsen !mod quiet
22:00 MinetestBot nolsen: Could not find anything.
22:00 nolsen !mod mute
22:00 MinetestBot nolsen: Could not find anything.
22:00 nolsen !mod muteban
22:00 nolsen !mod muteban
22:00 MinetestBot ...
22:01 nolsen lol
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22:08 T4im nolsen: revoke shout?
22:11 nolsen T4im: Oh.
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22:25 nolsen This is when "realistic" texture packs draw the line: https://www.dropbox.com/s/d0fu4gnq642dz4c/Screen​shot%20from%202016-03-22%2016%3A36%3A22.png?dl=1
22:25 nolsen I am going to have nightmares now.
22:26 nolsen s/draw the line/go too far
22:26 nolsen We have now traveled far from the light.
22:26 sfan5 i dont want to download your screenshot to view it
22:26 sfan5 use a decent image hosting service
22:26 nolsen sfan5: Since the image isn't mine, but okay.
22:26 nolsen er, strange.
22:27 Calinou +1 for Arc theme
22:27 Calinou this is the image
22:27 nolsen sfan5: https://i.imgur.com/3DNfMAJ.jpg
22:27 nolsen Better?
22:27 sfan5 yes
22:28 nolsen The face...my god.
22:28 nolsen There should be a fine line when it comes to "realistic"
22:28 nolsen That face doesn't belong in minetest.
22:29 Calinou it's very easy to get into "photos pasted on blocks" syndome with realistic texture packs; not to mention many Minecraft texture packs have shady sources for images sometimes
22:29 Calinou one I know literally had most of its item textures be from Google Images or something
22:29 Calinou to the point I saw "their" gold ingot texture in a… advertisement for gold selling
22:29 Calinou you know, those companies you can sell your gold to
22:30 nolsen Calinou: Sounds like people don't know how to draw their own.
22:30 nolsen Yet they are creating on a texture pack...
22:32 zeonicore Ok now that I set all the unnecessary privileges' "give_to_singleplayer" to "false", I can actually control whether or not I get privs like "give" in singleplayer
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22:54 arecascino is 3d armour supposed to make you completely invinciblle
23:01 nolsen arecascino: No.
23:01 arecascino nolsen: alright
23:01 arecascino so i run a crappy server
23:01 arecascino and two people were raiding everyone else, and came to me, and seem to be completely invincible in diamond armor
23:02 arecascino not in the OMG HE DIDN'T TAKE DAMAGE WAY
23:02 arecascino like in the the
23:02 arecascino no damage whatsoever way
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23:03 arecascino it seems that 3d armor is making people invincible to anything
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23:05 arecascino tnt hurts and lava hurts, but that's it
23:14 Fixer "Many of our clients have called in, unable to print more than one page at a time, any more and they get blank page or corrupt printjob with an error. Problem is solved after uninstalling KB3176493 on Windows 10 and KB3177725 on Windows 7… What on earth is the connection between these updates and printing? "
23:14 Fixer ^____________^
23:16 Fixer no wait
23:16 Fixer so they fixed long update scans & breaked printing
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23:20 T4im arecascino: evil swords and probably a few other special swords will, too
23:20 T4im and that's since a while that way
23:21 T4im for a while*
23:22 nolsen arecascino: They might be using weak weapons?
23:23 kaen am I reading this wrong? server does not apply acceleration calculations in content_sao collision? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/​blob/master/src/content_sao.cpp#L274
23:24 kaen pos and vel are passed by reference, accel is passed by value (and so can't be modified in the function call)
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23:25 kaen yeah looks like the caller's copy of accel is completely immutable to the function as defined: https://github.com/minetest/minetest​/blob/master/src/collision.cpp#L199
23:27 kaen tangentially, copy operations on the way into a hotpath function like the collision tester probably doesn't help physics perf :P
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23:34 kaen ah, accel isn't written to in the collision tester... which is weird but at least means the code functions as intended
23:39 kaen dope! I just found that I can set physical = false in the entity def and completely take over the physics myself :D
23:39 kaen such a good find
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