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sabino |
hi everyone. I'm trying to run mod streets but the minetest find errors |
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sabino |
link of streets mod: https://github.com/webdesigner97/streets |
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DigDub_SD |
Hello |
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DigDub_SD |
I need help |
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DigDub_SD |
Anyone good with chips? Not eating chips. |
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DigDub_SD |
Calinou |
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DigDub_SD |
cheapie? DI3HARD? AnotherBrick? Anyone? |
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DigDub_SD |
Huh |
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AnotherBrick |
Really |
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Hijiri |
wouldn't it be funny if a mod played surprise asmr sounds in someone's ears |
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agrecascino |
can you read text files in lua? |
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mdiehl1 |
Hello. I've got mesecons and mobs installed. What other mods would you recommend in order to compare Minetest w/ minecraft? |
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Hijiri |
agrecascino: yes |
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Hijiri |
check the io standard library |
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agrecascino |
Hijiri, you can read or write to any file? |
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Hijiri |
you can't read outside the mod and world directories if you're running with mod security enabled |
| 03:09 |
Hijiri |
otherwise you can, as long as you're running as a user who can access those files |
| 03:09 |
agrecascino |
alright |
| 03:09 |
Hijiri |
you can also whitelist a mod to allow dangerous things |
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agrecascino |
so, if i have a folder named resources |
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agrecascino |
i can iterate over the text files in there and parse them? |
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Hijiri |
yes |
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agrecascino |
alright |
| 03:13 |
Hijiri |
agrecascino: actually I don't see a function to list a directory's contents |
| 03:13 |
agrecascino |
oh |
| 03:13 |
Hijiri |
you can use an os call with ls |
| 03:14 |
Hijiri |
oh, but os calls require your mod to be trusted or have mod security off |
| 03:14 |
Hijiri |
here's a stackoverflow answer: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/5303174/how-to-get-list-of-directories-in-lua |
| 03:14 |
Hijiri |
agrecascino: actually minetest provides a function |
| 03:15 |
Hijiri |
minetest.get_dir_list |
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Hijiri |
(check in lua_api.txt) |
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agrecascino |
Hijiri, do you know if there is callback for when someone kills someone? |
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Hijiri |
there isn't |
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Hijiri |
if you want a good heuristic you can record the time when someone punches someone |
| 03:32 |
Hijiri |
and in a death callback check if it's still the same time (gametime) |
| 03:32 |
Hijiri |
if it is, the punch most likely killed them |
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agrecascino |
:\ |
| 03:32 |
Hijiri |
this won't cover things like projectiles though |
| 03:33 |
agrecascino |
yeah, no |
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agrecascino |
i need something consistent |
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Hijiri |
make an issue on github then |
| 03:33 |
Hijiri |
register_on_death callbacks don't carry the cause of death |
| 03:33 |
Hijiri |
punches don't even say who owns the punch, if it's a projectile or something |
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agrecascino |
wow |
| 03:38 |
Hijiri |
I was thinking of writing a framework for "owned punches", but since you mentioned it I think it should be something in the engine |
| 03:38 |
Hijiri |
agrecascino: are you planning on making an issue? If not, I'll open one |
| 03:39 |
Hijiri |
(for the punches, I'm not sure about the death stuff) |
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agrecascino |
Hijiri, please do for me |
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swift110-phone |
hmm |
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swift110-phone |
hey guys |
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Hijiri |
agrecascino: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4405 |
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agrecascino |
thanks. |
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agrecascino |
Hijiri, is there like an on_tick callback |
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agrecascino |
or something close? |
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Hijiri |
agrecascino: yes, check register_on_globalstep |
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agrecascino |
Hijiri, thanks |
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Hijiri |
oh, it's register_globalstep |
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agrecascino |
the lua error output i'm getting makes no sense |
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agrecascino |
Hijiri, i hooked that callback, and now i'm getting an error that makes no sense whatsoever |
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agrecascino |
no actually what is going on |
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agrecascino |
i think i broke minetest's lua interpreter |
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agrecascino |
help |
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Hijiri |
agrecascino: paste your error on a paste site |
| 05:17 |
Hijiri |
and your code |
| 05:19 |
agrecascino |
pastebin.com/AAZ8273A |
| 05:20 |
Hijiri |
agrecascino: is that all your code? |
| 05:20 |
agrecascino |
that's the code that's causing it |
| 05:21 |
Hijiri |
how am I supposed to know what factionsmod, factionsmod.data, fanctionsmod.data.factionsmod, etc. are? |
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agrecascino |
oh |
| 05:22 |
agrecascino |
http://github.com/agrecascino/factions |
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Hijiri |
thank you |
| 05:23 |
Hijiri |
agrecascino: is that code up to date? I get a different error on startup |
| 05:24 |
agrecascino |
? |
| 05:24 |
Hijiri |
also do you get your error when pipeworks mod is not installed? |
| 05:24 |
Hijiri |
agrecascino: the code on github |
| 05:24 |
agrecascino |
i just pushed the newest source to github |
| 05:24 |
Hijiri |
ok |
| 05:24 |
agrecascino |
what's the error? |
| 05:24 |
Hijiri |
attempt to concatenate global 'factionsmod_modpath' |
| 05:24 |
agrecascino |
wat |
| 05:24 |
Hijiri |
oh |
| 05:24 |
Hijiri |
it's because your repo name is factions |
| 05:24 |
Hijiri |
and not factionsmod |
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agrecascino |
oh |
| 05:25 |
Hijiri |
I'll try again |
| 05:25 |
agrecascino |
yeah, i had to change the baseclass name, and used find and replace to do it |
| 05:25 |
Hijiri |
I'm not getting the error |
| 05:25 |
Hijiri |
what triggers it? |
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swift110-phone |
hmm |
| 05:25 |
Hijiri |
oh |
| 05:25 |
Hijiri |
it's not turned on, let me try yet again |
| 05:26 |
Hijiri |
ok, I'm not getting the error |
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agrecascino |
what the actual fuck |
| 05:26 |
agrecascino |
did you uncomment that line? |
| 05:26 |
Hijiri |
I can't find the file it's in |
| 05:26 |
Hijiri |
with grep -r Uncomment . |
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agrecascino |
factionsmod.lia |
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agrecascino |
i added that for pastebin |
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agrecascino |
it's at line 926 |
| 05:27 |
Hijiri |
thanks |
| 05:27 |
Hijiri |
not getting the error |
| 05:28 |
Hijiri |
what is v? |
| 05:29 |
agrecascino |
v is the name of a faction |
| 05:29 |
Hijiri |
I'm not getting an error but there is no v in scope at that line |
| 05:29 |
agrecascino |
wait wut |
| 05:29 |
agrecascino |
yeah you're right |
| 05:29 |
agrecascino |
(wake me up) |
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Hijiri |
I don't know if that's what's causing the error |
| 05:29 |
Hijiri |
I'm not getting one |
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agrecascino |
(can't wake up) |
| 05:29 |
Hijiri |
maybe it will help though |
| 05:30 |
agrecascino |
nope |
| 05:30 |
Hijiri |
it's not printing anything, maybe it isn't running for some reason |
| 05:30 |
agrecascino |
fixed it and i still get it |
| 05:30 |
Hijiri |
it prints the loading message |
| 05:30 |
Hijiri |
is that the entire error? |
| 05:30 |
Hijiri |
I can't see how that line would cause a crash in pipeworks |
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agrecascino |
yes |
| 05:31 |
agrecascino |
that's the entire error |
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Hijiri |
I enabled (an old version of) pipeworks and I don't get the error |
| 05:32 |
agrecascino |
nice |
| 05:32 |
Hijiri |
agrecascino: Did you try without pipeworks yet? |
| 05:33 |
agrecascino |
alright |
| 05:33 |
agrecascino |
i did |
| 05:33 |
agrecascino |
and it sort of gave me a competent error |
| 05:33 |
Hijiri |
does it help? |
| 05:33 |
agrecascino |
sort of |
| 05:34 |
Hijiri |
you can paste it if you want me to look at it |
| 05:34 |
agrecascino |
alright |
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agrecascino |
so power is apparently nil |
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Hijiri |
oh, should I be uncommenting the joinplayer thing too? |
| 05:34 |
Hijiri |
because I didn't uncomment that one |
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agrecascino |
no |
| 05:34 |
agrecascino |
don't |
| 05:34 |
Hijiri |
ok |
| 05:35 |
agrecascino |
power is nil |
| 05:35 |
Hijiri |
ok |
| 05:35 |
Hijiri |
where does power usually get initialized? |
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agrecascino |
line 857 on startup |
| 05:37 |
Hijiri |
I think the reasons I am not getting prints and things is because I have no factions |
| 05:38 |
Hijiri |
how do I duplicate your setup? |
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agrecascino |
let me give you my factionsmod.conf |
| 05:38 |
Hijiri |
ok |
| 05:38 |
Hijiri |
does it have players that should exist |
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agrecascino |
a.pomf.cat/vevdat.conf |
| 05:40 |
Hijiri |
I'm getting an error at line 925, attempt to call a number value |
| 05:40 |
Hijiri |
apparently get_faction_list is a number |
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agrecascino |
oh |
| 05:40 |
agrecascino |
hang on |
| 05:40 |
agrecascino |
let me git push the latest version |
| 05:41 |
agrecascino |
there |
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Hijiri |
ok, got it |
| 05:42 |
Hijiri |
nice memes |
| 05:42 |
agrecascino |
? |
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Hijiri |
in the faction list |
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agrecascino |
oh, that's from players on my server ;) |
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Hijiri |
well the DuchyOfAbacab has no power set |
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agrecascino |
oh |
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agrecascino |
hmmm |
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agrecascino |
just add it to the conf? |
| 05:44 |
Hijiri |
you could |
| 05:44 |
Hijiri |
was there an older version of factions without power? |
| 05:44 |
agrecascino |
yeah |
| 05:44 |
Hijiri |
maybe that is the problem |
| 05:45 |
Hijiri |
you could tag your configurations with versions and run migrations if they're too old |
| 05:45 |
Hijiri |
or just run the migration one time manually |
| 05:45 |
Hijiri |
there might be other factions missing powers |
| 05:46 |
Hijiri |
or instead of migration you could simply set default fields in deserialization |
| 05:46 |
Hijiri |
or maybe a constructor for factions? |
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agrecascino |
it seems more than one faction may be missing power |
| 05:47 |
Hijiri |
you should probably refactor some of the things out of load() |
| 05:47 |
Hijiri |
like deserialization |
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agrecascino |
fixed |
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agrecascino |
thanks! |
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agrecascino |
now just hope for no crashes while i'm gone. |
| 05:54 |
Hijiri |
good luck |
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Hijiri |
glad that the problem was resolved |
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MinetestBot |
JamesTait: Mar-22 10:34 UTC <sfan5> test |
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sfan5 |
uh yes |
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JamesTait |
Good morning all! Happy Thursday, and happy Chocolate Chip Cookie Day! 😠🪠|
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* JamesTait |
hugs MinetestBot |
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Krock |
everamzah, what do you mean with "for the love of Pete."? |
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aix |
is there a way to fake the user number on the serverlist? |
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Calinou |
aix: sure, some servers have done it in the past |
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aix |
kiddies tend not to join if it's zero |
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Calinou |
but we can also ban servers from the list :) |
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aix |
but then neither do normal users |
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aix |
Calinou: is it worse to "lie" with a higher or a lower value? |
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Volkj |
>kiddies tend not to join if it's zero |
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Volkj |
that's more a pro than a con |
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Calinou |
claiming to have a higher player count than the real one will surely get you in trouble |
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Calinou |
the inverse, I don't know |
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aix |
Volkj: i know |
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aix |
Volkj: but decent users like busy servers too, so that's a con also |
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aix |
Calinou: can I turn it off entirely? |
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aix |
hold up i'll just read the example |
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Calinou |
not sure if you're allowed to hide player count |
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Krock |
are there any rules for the server list? Haven't seen them yet |
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juhdanad |
I think some kiddies can become decent users (just they have to learn the game). |
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aix |
juhdanad: if they don't flame and leave first |
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Krock |
aix: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/serverlist.cpp#L217-L231 |
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Krock |
you can change that stuff but to make everything right you'd need to extend the client names list too |
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aix |
eh |
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aix |
too much effort |
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Krock |
lol |
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Krock |
that's just clients_names.push_back("player1234") |
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Krock |
nothing more ^^ |
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* Krock |
shuts up |
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aix |
what does full_block_send_enable_min_time_from_building do? |
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Krock |
the time to update a complete mapblock |
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Krock |
(used in clientiface.cpp) |
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Krock |
there's a good description in the .example file |
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aix |
what if i set it to 0 ? |
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Krock |
would increase the lag. Better set it to something higher |
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Krock |
(when you're already thinking to change it) |
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aix |
how's 2 |
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Out`Of`Control |
!server liberty |
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MinetestBot |
Out`Of`Control: Liberty Land | mt.rbose.org | Clients: 6/50, 3/6 | Version: 0.4.14-dev / ayntest | Ping: 15ms |
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aix |
what combination of shader options do you use? |
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aix |
tone mapping is the only one that does anything on its own, but the others mix together in wierd ways |
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Krock |
1600x818 - wow, that screen is huge |
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Out`Of`Control |
do i have to tweak config moving from 0.4.13 to 0.4.14-dev ? |
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Krock |
afaik no |
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Krock |
it's all backwards compatible |
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Out`Of`Control |
ok ty Krock |
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Krock |
!next |
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MinetestBot |
Another satisfied customer. Next! |
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Calinou |
aix: it decreases block sending speed while somebody is building |
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Calinou |
IMO it's really irrelevant, I suggest setting it to 0 |
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Calinou |
now that we have block placement prediction |
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Calinou |
!server calinou |
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MinetestBot |
Calinou: Calinou [Europe/Paris] (survival - minimal mods) | hugo.pro:30002 | Clients: 2/32, 4/7 | Version: 0.4.14-dev / minetest | Ping: 10ms |
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shamoanjac |
should get_wielded_item() be called with a colon or with a dot? |
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shamoanjac |
i.e. player:get_wielded_item() vs. player.get_wielded_item() |
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shamoanjac |
both yield an exception because "get_wielded_item()" is a "nil value" |
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shamoanjac |
nvm turns out I was calling it on a string and not on an ObjectRef |
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Krock |
player:get_wielded_item() is identical with player.get_wielded_item(player) |
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shamoanjac |
what was the way to get a player's ObjectRef from its name? |
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shamoanjac |
can't find it anymore on the wiki |
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shamoanjac |
right, found it |
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Calinou |
!mod spectat |
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MinetestBot |
Calinou: Spectator Mode [spectator_mode] by jp - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=13718 |
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swift110 |
sup yall |
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Calinou |
spectator mode is great to catch griefers :] |
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Calinou |
already got one this way |
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swift110 |
hey Calinou |
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Calinou |
also installed travelnets to my server, pretty useful mod |
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Calinou |
just needs better default textures :P |
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Calinou |
hahaha, two players joined, went to public mine, and annoyed the miner out there |
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agrecascino |
shamoanjac, i'm already on |
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shamoanjac |
oh |
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shamoanjac |
did you see muh banners |
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shamoanjac |
now it's just a matter of fixing their look |
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shamoanjac |
everything else has been figured out |
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shamoanjac |
https://8ch.net/v/src/1470318205776.png |
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shamoanjac |
note that there is a banner_support node and a banner atm, but I think I'll just merge them in a single node |
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Krock |
shamoanjac, http://needsmorejpeg.com/i/eo15.jpeg |
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Krock |
reduced the file size to 11 kb |
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Krock |
(from 671 kb) |
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shamoanjac |
woah Krock |
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shamoanjac |
thanks for the optimization |
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Krock |
fancy, eh? no problem for that |
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shamoanjac |
3>needsmorejpeg.com |
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shamoanjac |
best page ever I guess |
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Krock |
you're wrong. this one is better: http://baconsizzling.com/ |
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shamoanjac |
I've just eaten but I'm hungry again :( |
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Krock |
uhm. baaacooon! |
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shamoanjac |
there are people who, right now, are paying a domain just to host that |
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Krock |
bust be a cheap domain |
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Krock |
*must |
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agaran |
Hello |
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Void7 |
hi |
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shamoanjac |
woah Irrlicht can load .bsp files |
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shamoanjac |
can't wait to import Wolfenstein maps |
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Calinou |
shamoanjac: yes but Minetest won't read them |
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Calinou |
but yes, Irrlicht accepts all Q3BSP maps |
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shamoanjac |
does Minetest read md3 files though? |
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shamoanjac |
I remember last time I imported a model it only read .x files |
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Calinou |
Irrlicht supports .md3, but Minetest doesn't |
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Calinou |
we support .obj, .x, .b3d, .md2 |
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Krock |
!wiki colored chat |
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MinetestBot |
No such page. |
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shangul |
can i play on a 0.4.14 server with a 0.4.13 client? |
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shangul |
how do i save the map while im walking in a server? |
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agrecascino |
shamoanjac, banner mod done yet? |
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shamoanjac |
almost |
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shamoanjac |
I'm having troubles with UV mapping |
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shamoanjac |
also some c*ck is defending proprietary software in #coolkids |
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shamoanjac |
gotta defend Stallman |
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shangul |
is there any minetest bot? |
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shamoanjac |
agrecascino, add a "reload" command to the factions mod |
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shamoanjac |
instead of rebooting the server and kicking everyone |
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agrecascino |
i |
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agrecascino |
'm offended by that |
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shamoanjac |
btw when does minetest get inotify support? |
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agrecascino |
reload is my trigger word |
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shamoanjac |
lel |
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sofar |
inotify support? what would that be for? |
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sofar |
shamoanjac: ? |
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galex|713 |
what is the most used minetest server (of whatever subgame)? |
| 17:10 |
galex|713 |
Also what are the most used subgames/mods? |
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Krock |
minetest_game is the most used one |
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Krock |
galex|713, also: http://i.imgur.com/FPvAuHi.png |
| 17:12 |
Krock |
(or overall used mods: http://i.imgur.com/2cQxozY.png without regard of player count) |
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Krock |
or do you need a full list? (could create a pastebin with the current values) |
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galex|713 |
wow |
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galex|713 |
What is wordedit? is there a list of mods and their description somewhere? |
| 17:16 |
galex|713 |
Yet what is the most used server? |
| 17:17 |
Krock |
you can find those mods on the forum |
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galex|713 |
oh… ok, you mean nothing sorted/listed |
| 17:17 |
Krock |
or try http://krock-works.16mb.com/MTstuff/modSearch.php for fast results |
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galex|713 |
oh cool |
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galex|713 |
Yet, what is the most used server? |
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Krock |
over all time? No idea. Maybe it's the one from Redcrab, it already existed in Minetest 0.3.x versions |
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Krock |
*existed back when Minetest 0.3.x was actual |
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shamoanjac |
sofar, real time config updating |
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shamoanjac |
useful for mod testing |
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shamoanjac |
though it's true that I also hold the opinion that node/entity/items definitions should be separated from the lua files |
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agrecascino |
how to have an entirely secure vnc server |
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agrecascino |
have no authentication |
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sofar |
tunnel it entirely |
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agrecascino |
put login screen after vnc login |
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sofar |
screen locker? |
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agrecascino |
yeah |
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agrecascino |
lightdm |
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agaran |
agrecascino: not a best idea |
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agaran |
because other one may highjack session once one logged in.. |
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agrecascino |
well |
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galex|713 |
oh gosh I forgot minetest was so slow >< |
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agrecascino |
i have it setup so many connections on one port are disparate sessions |
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shamoanjac |
I present to the Minetest community |
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shamoanjac |
with a special mention to agrecascino |
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shamoanjac |
https://a.cocaine.ninja/gkehed.png |
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shamoanjac |
banners |
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shamoanjac |
(yes, I'd like to add vertical ones too) |
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agrecascino |
holy shit! |
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agrecascino |
that looks really good! |
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shamoanjac |
I'll fix some minor visual bugs and upload to Github/post on the forum |
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agrecascino |
shamoanjac, get on the server and scream at everybody |
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shamoanjac |
lel |
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KaadmY |
shamoanjac: that pic doesn't work |
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KaadmY |
"SSL connection error" |
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Krock |
works here |
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shamoanjac |
https://8ch.net/v/src/1470331827002.png 6<-- alternate URL |
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Krock |
,04+ |
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shamoanjac |
I've drawn national flags but they're not preset, you can create them at will with several basic chapes |
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shamoanjac |
s/chapes/shapes |
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KaadmY |
do the flags wave? |
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Krock |
they can't move. Weather was removed from Minetest |
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sofar |
should be easily doable |
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shamoanjac |
no :( |
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shamoanjac |
yes, I guess, with armature |
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sofar |
make a flagpole node, entity flag |
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shamoanjac |
I'll upload the .blend to if someone wants to try |
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galex-713 |
Hi |
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galex-713 |
How do you go down in minetest? |
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Krock |
hi |
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Krock |
Shift. |
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galex-713 |
The “sneak†key doesn’t work there :/ |
| 18:27 |
galex-713 |
Shift doesn’t work neither (redefined sneak to H here, but H doesn’t work) |
| 18:27 |
Krock |
maybe you're colliding with a node below |
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galex-713 |
nope |
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galex-713 |
That's on a ladder I climbed |
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Krock |
so you have two commands that listen on the key H? |
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Krock |
or did you re-define the other keys too? |
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galex-713 |
no, redefined everything |
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galex-713 |
To fit on my BÉPO keyboard (it’s like Dvorak but for french) |
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Krock |
and it doesn't work when you restore the Shift as default? |
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galex-713 |
There's no Shift, only Right Shift and Left Shift |
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galex-713 |
ANd neither do work |
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Krock |
that's very strange |
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galex-713 |
Also here “3†and “(†(the first being AltGr+4 in qwerty, the second being 4 in qwerty) equals Return here |
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galex-713 |
And it seems to be common to anything using Irrlicht, including Freeminer, voxelands, etc. |
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galex-713 |
Krock: also sneaking *do* work |
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Krock |
*does |
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galex-713 |
ah yeah |
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galex-713 |
thx |
| 18:35 |
Krock |
I've seen that some keyboards are not (completely) supported by Irrlicht.. we can't do much against this |
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Krock |
*keyboard layouts |
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galex-713 |
how can a keyboard layout not being supported? O.o |
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galex-713 |
Normally it's not up to the game engine to care about keyboard layout |
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agaran |
simply, X sends numbers in keyboard event that are representation of keypress/keyrelease, Irrlicht may not know some of them.. |
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galex-713 |
you mean keycodes? |
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agaran |
yup |
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galex-713 |
Keycodes are limited and not related to keyboard layouts |
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galex-713 |
unlike keysyms |
| 18:43 |
galex-713 |
which are not numbers but strings |
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agaran |
so if you now all details, why you are surprised? technically keyboard sends numbers that are translated to keysyms, there is whole evdev layer on way too.. for me it works but I have pretty standard layout |
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galex-713 |
yeah but between bépo and qwerty, most keysyms (like Shift, H, etc.) are common, so using either qwerty or bépo shouldn’t change, that’s why I’m surprised |
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galex-713 |
I’m not suprised when it gives strange names to the “é†letter, but I am when it catch correctly H as “sneak†except for going down |
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agaran |
I don't know Irrlicht internals, but I am quite sure you can dump events and make sure they as they should be. Also you can peek at events received by x application too, though filtering out junk may be more difficult |
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agaran |
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xmodmap maybe there, modifier keys section, can help, define both shift keys to be 'shift' as well ? |
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galex-713 |
X works well, I noticed that Irrlicht understand 3 as 3 |
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galex-713 |
Because I can select an item with it |
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galex-713 |
So it’s quite strange |
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galex-713 |
agaran: how do you *learn* how to craft stuff? |
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agaran |
galex-713: hmm, you don't need to learn that I guess, you put things in crafting box and get things out.. or you have mod improving inventory that adds crafting recipes display/selection |
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Krock |
there are too many mods and recipes - you can't learn them all |
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Krock |
recently I had to learn the new fence craft recipe.. haven't used MTG for a long time |
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agaran |
oh, there is new recipe ? in one after 0.4.14? |
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Krock |
no idea when it was added |
| 19:11 |
Krock |
*changed |
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Krock |
maybe somewhen around 0.4.12 |
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agaran |
wood|stick|wood, wood|stick|wood, this one you mean? |
| 19:12 |
Krock |
yes, I remeber this one: stick|stick|stick stick|stick|stick |
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agaran |
so I only know latter one |
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agaran |
Krock: do you remember which module was adding some industrial looking steel scaffold? |
| 19:20 |
Krock |
perhaps the scaffolding mod? |
| 19:21 |
Krock |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=11290 |
| 19:21 |
Krock |
"This mod adds Wooden scaffolding and Iron scaffolding to minetest" |
| 19:23 |
agaran |
Krock: hmmm that was one of things I wanted to find too.. :) other I saw on VE server, well I need to dig there too |
| 19:23 |
Krock |
F5 shows you the node name |
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Krock |
(when pointing at it) |
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agrecascino |
shamoanjac, you there? |
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shamoanjac |
yes |
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shamoanjac |
tell me |
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agrecascino |
shamoanjac, you want to work on integrating banners with the factions mod? |
| 19:29 |
shamoanjac |
yes |
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shamoanjac |
I'm going to merge the banner craftitem with a pole node |
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shamoanjac |
there could be several pole types |
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shamoanjac |
one could be a claiming pole |
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twoelk |
like a marker? |
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shamoanjac |
sorry agrecascino, interwebz connection went down |
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agrecascino |
f |
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agrecascino |
shamoanjac, how about having flags of your faction being placed increase your factions power |
| 19:50 |
shamoanjac |
so u wuz sayin |
| 19:50 |
shamoanjac |
maybe |
| 19:51 |
shamoanjac |
I was thinking of using flags as claiming beacons |
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agrecascino |
shamoanjac, if flags are expensive enough, it could solve problems |
| 19:51 |
shamoanjac |
yes |
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shamoanjac |
have several tiers of flag poles |
| 19:51 |
shamoanjac |
like |
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shamoanjac |
wooden pole = merely decorative |
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shamoanjac |
silver pole = small claim |
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shamoanjac |
golden pole = large claim |
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agrecascino |
the issue with flags as claiming beacons is that hide it enough, and no one can get to it |
| 19:52 |
shamoanjac |
diamond pole = increase power |
| 19:52 |
shamoanjac |
did you remember my post about war mechanisms? |
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agrecascino |
no? |
| 19:53 |
shamoanjac |
basically, the attacking team can just place a beacon/banner/block in your territory, and nothing else |
| 19:53 |
shamoanjac |
the defending team has to destroy the beacon in a certain amount of time, otherwise the chunk in which the beacon was placed is lost |
| 19:54 |
shamoanjac |
the beacon is unrelated to the claiming flag |
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agrecascino |
im thinking more minecraft factions, where you kill the players on a warring factions borders, and then claim the land on the edge, until done |
| 19:55 |
shamoanjac |
yeah we tried that one on /intcraft/, but in the end people (we) just hid in the castle |
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shamoanjac |
http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/int-craft/images/8/80/Pleasent_pastures.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20150816221857 |
| 19:56 |
shamoanjac |
that was our castle |
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shamoanjac |
(I made the walls + gates) |
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shamoanjac |
of course, getting in to kill us was impossible |
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agrecascino |
how many members in the faction? |
| 19:56 |
shamoanjac |
some12 |
| 19:57 |
agrecascino |
hmm |
| 19:57 |
shamoanjac |
then /int/craft switched to the mode I've described |
| 19:57 |
shamoanjac |
and wars worked |
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agrecascino |
i'm not a fan of the whole beacon thing, but yeah, that's an issue |
| 19:57 |
shamoanjac |
because people couldn't just hide |
| 19:58 |
shamoanjac |
a thing I'd like to see in Minetest is construction blocks being actually hard af to destroy |
| 19:58 |
agrecascino |
how about just making it so warring factions can destroy each others shit |
| 19:58 |
shamoanjac |
9>declare war on everybody |
| 19:58 |
agrecascino |
and make going to way have a costy |
| 19:58 |
shamoanjac |
9>free griefing |
| 19:58 |
agrecascino |
like, a big one |
| 19:58 |
shamoanjac |
uhm |
| 19:59 |
agrecascino |
wait |
| 19:59 |
shamoanjac |
maybe every enemy destroyed block costs X to the attacking faction |
| 19:59 |
agrecascino |
yeah |
| 19:59 |
agrecascino |
or |
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shamoanjac |
but then the defending faction could just place tons of dirt |
| 19:59 |
Krock |
>fancy colors ,04eyecancer |
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agrecascino |
or maybe a combination of your idea and mine, placing a flag in enemy territory making that chunk open to damage |
| 20:00 |
shamoanjac |
9,4don't you 2,13like it, Krock? |
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agrecascino |
and then, if you kill enough people in the faction, you can take the land |
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shamoanjac |
yes if the flag is expensive enough |
| 20:01 |
Krock |
,09I ,04love ,09it, ,04shamoanjac. |
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agrecascino |
shamoanjac, make the war flag the most expensive flag |
| 20:01 |
shamoanjac |
yeah |
| 20:01 |
shamoanjac |
mandatory black pirate flag |
| 20:01 |
agaran |
Krock: one I was looking for was steel support from streets, used your suggestion :) |
| 20:01 |
shamoanjac |
or have factions design their own war flag |
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agrecascino |
>everyone makes a confederate battle flag |
| 20:02 |
shamoanjac |
lel |
| 20:02 |
Krock |
agaran, using them for singleplayer worlds now? ^^ |
| 20:02 |
shamoanjac |
confederate battle flag is almost possible, but I don't want to add that one star pattern just for one flag |
| 20:03 |
shamoanjac |
though I guess it'd cost nothing anyway |
| 20:03 |
shamoanjac |
also knowing the userbase of /v/ half the warflags would be German Kriegsflagge from 1935-1945 |
| 20:04 |
Krock |
the nazi cross? |
| 20:05 |
shamoanjac |
no, the one which is a black Nordic Cross |
| 20:05 |
shamoanjac |
outlined with a white stripe, and then a black stripe |
| 20:05 |
shamoanjac |
black w/ white outlining iron cross in the top left corner |
| 20:06 |
shamoanjac |
black on white swastika in a black outlined circle at the cross intersection |
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Krock |
Krock->InitializeImagination(); |
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Krock |
Fatal error in line 1 |
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shamoanjac |
really similar to the German warflag from 1870-1919 |
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shamoanjac |
https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse4.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.Mbb1071b5ac65d63756cf56e7dcdc50b9o0%26pid%3D15.1&f=1 |
| 20:07 |
Krock |
Ah I see |
| 20:07 |
Krock |
found the same image over ddg about 30s ago :3 |
| 20:07 |
shamoanjac |
welp it's even more complex than what I recorded |
| 20:07 |
shamoanjac |
lel |
| 20:08 |
Krock |
too funny. duckduckgo loads an image from bing, which is surely hosted somewhere else |
| 20:08 |
Krock |
3rd party content \o/ |
| 20:08 |
shamoanjac |
yep |
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agrecascino |
searching a search engine |
| 20:08 |
agrecascino |
now that's meta |
| 20:08 |
agaran |
Krock: yep only, but thats because I wanted to find something that fits not to make it. Still working on that cables.. |
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agaran |
local vm = VoxelManip() |
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agaran |
local MinEdge, MaxEdge = vm:read_from_map(pos, pos) |
| 20:09 |
agaran |
anyone knows if I load node this way, it will get normally flushed off memory when not used/near player, or I need manually free it somehow? |
| 20:10 |
shamoanjac |
https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Ft11.deviantart.net%2FFSUsRBQ8RQY82XyalYCQ-r1eCpM%3D%2F300x200%2Ffilters%3Afixed_height%28100%2C100%29%3Aorigin%28%29%2Fpre15%2Fceb4%2Fth%2Fpre%2Ff%2F2015%2F176%2Fe%2Ff%2Falternate_colonial_american_flag_by_andrewtodaro-d8wj6du.jpg&f=1 |
| 20:10 |
shamoanjac |
toplel |
| 20:10 |
Krock |
agaran, it reads the data into a new array, so there's nothing to free |
| 20:11 |
Krock |
well, that data variable should be deleted after a while to prevent memory overflow, yes. |
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agaran |
Krock: yep, but I mean, if that (voxel manip) causes node to get loaded, if it is some enforced load, thus I need somehow free it later, or not.. but I'll check probably, need reliable way to reload structure after server restart.. |
| 20:11 |
XtremeHacker |
Hi swift110 |
| 20:12 |
XtremeHacker |
I decided to dev on (K)ubuntu 16.04, I have atom, and git, no I just need Blender 3D, and code. :D |
| 20:12 |
Krock |
the vmanip causes whole mapblocks to be loaded. They also will be unloaded after a time that I don't know how long it is |
| 20:12 |
XtremeHacker |
now* |
| 20:13 |
agaran |
Krock: perfect, so I can safelly use it during rescan of topology not worrying about manual releasing any force-loaded blocks |
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agrecascino |
shamoanjac,gtg |
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Krock |
agaran, doing that with boost_cart as fallback when the node wasn't loaded yet and no server owner complained about a memory overflow due to this yet :P |
| 20:14 |
agaran |
Krock: want to see (very)old screenshot? |
| 20:14 |
agaran |
Krock: great |
| 20:14 |
Krock |
nothing after 0.2.xxx is old |
| 20:14 |
agaran |
Krock: my mod old screenshot.. didn't make new as there are some missing pieces I want to fix first.. |
| 20:14 |
agaran |
Krock: http://wstaw.org/h/74f53e1099a/ |
| 20:15 |
shamoanjac |
k agrecascino |
| 20:15 |
agrecascino |
shamoanjac, also, i'm uploading the latest version http://github.com/agrecascino/factions |
| 20:15 |
shamoanjac |
alright, I'll have uploaded factions by tomorrow |
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shamoanjac |
s/factions/banners |
| 20:16 |
Krock |
agaran, and the mod connected the wires automatically? |
| 20:16 |
agaran |
Krock: nope, all manual (and thats goal) so you can have not-connected segments on adjacent blocks etc |
| 20:16 |
agaran |
also >1 wire per node as you see.. |
| 20:16 |
Krock |
yeah, looks nice |
| 20:17 |
agaran |
so lighting will survive even if there is power outage for factory side.. |
| 20:17 |
agaran |
and yes, light will go out when there is no power.. |
| 20:17 |
agaran |
thats one of goals, but now I am fixing/(re)writing internal stuff and it goes SLOOOOW |
| 20:18 |
agaran |
well then maybe over weekend some stuff will get forward, good night :) |
| 20:18 |
swift110 |
hey XtremeHacker |
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shamoanjac |
I can't use custom meshes as nodes, can I? |
| 21:20 |
Krock |
you can |
| 21:20 |
Krock |
drawtype = "mesh" |
| 21:20 |
Krock |
http://i.imgur.com/jUQBqkG.png |
| 21:21 |
shamoanjac |
lel |
| 21:21 |
shamoanjac |
which property do I set then for the model? |
| 21:21 |
shamoanjac |
it's in register_node(), right? |
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Krock |
oh right it's visual = "mesh" |
| 21:22 |
Krock |
and then mesh = "my_mesh_file_in_the_models_directory.x" |
| 21:23 |
Krock |
don't forget to set the textures too |
| 21:23 |
shamoanjac |
welp, there is no mesh field in the wiki |
| 21:23 |
shamoanjac |
but yeah, I've got the UV mapping done ;) |
| 21:23 |
shamoanjac |
becoming a pro of Blender |
| 21:23 |
Krock |
uuh nice |
| 21:23 |
shamoanjac |
all your flags are belong to me |
| 21:24 |
Krock |
write it in caps |
| 21:24 |
shamoanjac |
ALL YOUR FLAGS ARE BELONG TO ME |
| 21:24 |
Krock |
better :) |
| 21:24 |
Krock |
!mod mesh |
| 21:24 |
MinetestBot |
Krock: Meshnodes [meshnode] by stu - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=8059 |
| 21:25 |
Krock |
or maybe check out this one: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=10428 |
| 21:25 |
shamoanjac |
ah yeah we saw that one mod |
| 21:25 |
Krock |
Looking into the code of other mods is a good way to learn something :) |
| 21:26 |
shamoanjac |
yeah, that's how I did for the banners |
| 21:26 |
shamoanjac |
copypast... getting inspirations from signs_lib |
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exio4 |
PilzAdam: I have to thank you! |
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PilzAdam |
ok? |
| 23:11 |
exio4 |
you made it easier to learn that Pilz means mushroom, I just relate it to minetest :p |
| 23:11 |
PilzAdam |
you are learning german? |
| 23:11 |
exio4 |
yeah |
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PilzAdam |
#minetest-de |
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exio4 |
nice! |
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XtremeHacker |
Hi |
