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00:43 hisforever Thanks Rubenwardy that is helpful
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00:50 ElectronLibre Oh no, our Skyblock server is unreachable..
00:51 ElectronLibre Do you remember the SadieXXX thing? It's happening right now on one of the servers stormed by those accounts.. I can't tell if there is a link, but minetest is somehow misbehaving.
00:58 nm0i ElectronLibre: if it is your problem, http://me0w.net/pit/1470185641
00:59 ElectronLibre nm0i: Well, since I have no power over the server, I'll just wait until it dies and then commit that change to our repo
00:59 ElectronLibre Then I'll probably have to wait another two weeks for the admin to show up and merge
00:59 nm0i Nice emergency responce system you have there.
01:00 ElectronLibre For now it seems all players are stuck in an endless loop of level reset, at least the logs tell me so
01:00 ElectronLibre Yeah
01:00 ElectronLibre MFF is not keen on sharing privileges
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01:02 ElectronLibre For now I guess I'll just set up the logs to automatically scroll and count the `reset_level` calls like sheep jumping over a fence
01:02 nm0i That's good. But he could have been keen on having IM.
01:04 ElectronLibre IM?
01:05 ElectronLibre Either it's too late.. too early for my brain to figure it out or I don't know what IM is. Maybe the web logs will tell me..
01:05 nm0i Intsant Messenger.
01:06 ElectronLibre Well, I think his whole problem is also that he apparently hasn't much time these days to be on the computer
01:06 nm0i Like, icq, skype, stomp, gtalk, whatever people use these days.
01:06 ElectronLibre And I doubt he's got those
01:07 ElectronLibre Or anything that people use these days
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01:49 Shiftus Oh
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03:01 XtremeHacker Hello
03:04 swift110-phone how r u
03:04 XtremeHacker Good, how about you?
03:05 XtremeHacker I'm new here, and just thought I'd check it out.
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03:07 XtremeHacker What are you doing?
03:07 Shiftus Me?
03:07 nm0i You!
03:07 XtremeHacker I was talking to swift110, but sure, what are you up to Shiftus?
03:08 Shiftus I'm putting together a decorations mod.
03:08 Shiftus Mostly inactive blocks right now. But some will light up, some will play sounds.
03:09 XtremeHacker Ahh, I'm hoping to try to learn to mod, perhaps make something like Mo Creatures, and the Aether for Minetest.
03:09 Shiftus Some, you place it and the other block that goes with it, and right click either of them, it will play a sound.
03:09 XtremeHacker Sounds cool @Shift
03:09 nm0i I'm still dreaming to make metal blocks that play metal.
03:09 nm0i But may be later.
03:10 XtremeHacker A friend of mine told me that animating blocks is a bit hacky, is that still true?
03:10 Shiftus Well....make the sounds playable by a LUA call
03:10 Shiftus Not quite
03:10 Shiftus We have mods that add animated nodes
03:10 Shiftus scifi_nodes, is one example
03:11 nm0i XtremeHacker: just look at default fire mod
03:12 XtremeHacker He told me that you would make them "animated" by quickly switching between 2 (or more) diffrent models, instead of, say, switching the texture(s).
03:12 Shiftus My mod will have over 50 blocks....
03:12 Shiftus And that would be diificult to change models like that...but not impossible.
03:12 Shiftus As far as I know
03:13 XtremeHacker IDK, maybe I mis-understood him.
03:13 nm0i XtremeHacker: it changes texture coordinates these days
03:13 Shiftus Back to coding blocks
03:13 nm0i Shiftus: what theme your mod is in?
03:13 XtremeHacker OK, I'll let my friend know.
03:14 Shiftus Mostly inspiration from Star Trek, but will be different enough to avoid breaking copyrights.
03:14 Shiftus But wouldn't a minetest mod fall under Fair Use?
03:14 XtremeHacker @Shiftus I know that people get quite "funny" about these things.
03:15 nm0i May be. But each country has its own fair use.
03:15 XtremeHacker What nm0i said.
03:15 XtremeHacker Some laws are funny.
03:15 Shiftus I've seen all kinds of stuff get added to Minetest, that hasn't been sued for infringement
03:16 swift110-phone im good
03:16 Shiftus I mean there is a replica of the Enterprise in Minetest
03:16 swift110-phone lost connection
03:17 nm0i There is mod based on Riven, it hasn't been removed.
03:17 XtremeHacker It depends on if the copyright holders see it or not I guess @Shiftus
03:17 nm0i !mod riventest
03:17 MinetestBot nm0i: Riventest [riventest] [staircase] by mauvebic - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=2399
03:17 XtremeHacker Hi swift110
03:17 swift110-phone i wanna create something like sim ant on minetest
03:17 swift110-phone hey xtremehacker
03:18 XtremeHacker What are your guys' primary mod dev enviroment (OS + IDE/Code editor, etc)?
03:18 Shiftus I'm using Notepad ++ to write my mod
03:18 Shiftus I've also used Python and C#
03:18 Shiftus LUA too
03:19 swift110-phone i need to learn how to mod
03:19 swift110-phone xtremehacker what ya up to
03:19 Shiftus I could help?
03:19 XtremeHacker @Swift welcome to the (my) club. :P
03:19 XtremeHacker @Swift I'm still setting up a dev envioent, I haven't coded anything yet.
03:20 XtremeHacker I'm hoping to start out with a mod like Mo Creatures for minetest.
03:21 Shiftus Learn Blender
03:21 Shiftus If you want to make animations, Blender is what you need
03:21 swift110-phone ok
03:21 swift110-phone i have blender on all my computers
03:22 swift110-phone lol even my pi 3
03:22 XtremeHacker Same here.
03:22 XtremeHacker I don't have any Pi's though. :(
03:22 Shiftus I don't have a good PC to do Blender
03:23 XtremeHacker @Shiftus, I used blender for modelling on a P4, with 2GB RAM, and a GeForce 6xxx video card.
03:23 XtremeHacker What are your main machines specs?
03:23 XtremeHacker P.S. I have a much better PC now.
03:23 swift110-phone you don't need much to use blender
03:24 swift110-phone months ago i used it on a ten year old core2duo laptop
03:24 swift110-phone xtremehacker when did you do that on the p4
03:25 swift110-phone I hope to use blender on my pi 3
03:25 Shiftus RAGE 128 graphics
03:25 swift110-phone crazy i know but im curious
03:25 Shiftus And very little RAM
03:25 XtremeHacker @Swift 2 yrs, or so.
03:25 XtremeHacker @Swift OK, I get it now.
03:26 XtremeHacker On the last message ?I said @Swift, I meant @Shift
03:27 Shiftus It's fine. Though I do need to log off soon
03:27 Shiftus I would like to talk to you again
03:28 XtremeHacker Same here.
03:28 XtremeHacker As in, I'd like to talk to you again.
03:28 Shiftus I know he won't see it for a while, but @XtremeHacker, I recommend that you to talk to OldCoder , about learning to mod and doing Blender. He is the one who is helping me.
03:29 Shiftus He is resting now, but tomorrow he will most likely be available
03:29 XtremeHacker OK, thanks.
03:29 Shiftus Anyways, I'm logging off, hmmm, in a minute or two. Nice talking to you all. Talk tomorrow
03:30 XtremeHacker Bye
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03:50 OldCoder Wat
03:50 OldCoder Hello
03:55 Out`Of`Control hi
03:55 OldCoder Lo
03:55 OldCoder Away we go
03:55 OldCoder Hi
03:55 OldCoder Lo
03:55 OldCoder On with the show
03:55 OldCoder Ahem
03:55 OldCoder Good evening
04:00 swift110-phone cool
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09:09 JamesTait Good morning all! ¬†Happy Wednesday, and happy Watermelon Day! ūüėÉ ūüćČ
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09:58 aix JamesTait: Happy Watermelon Day!
10:00 Megaf Heyall
10:00 aix hi Megaf
10:11 aix i'm kinda bored
10:11 aix anyone wanna make a castle
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10:19 aix my world has no trees...
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10:30 aix is it possible to enable tnt in multiplayer
10:31 aix also, what will happen if you were to place it next to a protected area?
10:33 everamzah tnt mod checks for protected nodes.  you'll need to set enable_tnt = true (false by default)
10:33 aix alright
10:34 aix i don't see why servers disable it
10:35 aix alright, it's enabled
10:35 aix i'm definitely going to regret this someday
10:40 aix are there any servers which don't have area protection?
10:41 Krock no rule servers, usually
10:41 aix ones that still rely on admins not granting interact to griefers or fools
10:41 aix no rule servers?
10:41 aix or private ones
10:41 aix i honestly might remove the whole protection thing from mine
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10:55 Passant hi there, one curious question: can the server tell the client which font it has to use?
10:56 Krock no, it can't
10:57 Passant ok, thanks
10:58 Krock !next
10:58 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next!
11:05 Fixer !back
11:05 Krock !previous
11:06 Fixer !notsatisfied
11:06 Fixer !toomuchbugs
11:06 DonBatman !Krock
11:06 DonBatman !Fixer
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12:28 swift110-phone hmm
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12:50 Calinou lol, I tried to write BBCode in a reddit comment :D
12:50 Calinou too used to Minetest forums
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12:53 StephenLynx hey, I was playing minetest yesterday and I got a couple questions:
12:53 StephenLynx 1- is it rare to find npcs?
12:53 StephenLynx 2- is it rare to find ores?
12:53 Calinou StephenLynx: there are no NPCs in Minetest by default
12:53 Calinou or mobs for that matter
12:53 Calinou also, ore rarity depends on depth
12:53 Calinou if you're at sea level, you won't find a lot of ores, just some coal and rarely iron
12:54 Calinou go at -256 or below to find all ores
12:54 StephenLynx got it.
12:54 StephenLynx I wasn't expecting maps to be so deep :v
12:54 StephenLynx also
12:55 Calinou maps go from -31000 to 31000 in height
12:55 Calinou same for width
12:55 StephenLynx I generated a map that was snowy
12:55 Calinou so, maps aren't as wide as in Minecraft, but are much higher
12:55 StephenLynx biomes are just huge or the maps is entirely covered in snow if they are generated that way?
12:56 StephenLynx I walked and walked and walked and it was nothing but snow.
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12:56 Calinou no, there are several biomes
12:56 Calinou sometimes they're quite large
12:56 StephenLynx ok
12:56 Calinou try the other map generators
12:56 StephenLynx i was using v6
12:56 Calinou we have v5, v6, v7, v6 is the default
12:56 Calinou v7 has more biomes than v6, eg. dry grass biomes
13:01 StephenLynx any particular v7 isn't the default?
13:01 StephenLynx particular reason*
13:02 Calinou I don't remember why
13:03 Krock v6 is default because all others were added afterwards
13:03 Krock (well, singlenode isn't a real mapgen)
13:04 StephenLynx so what does the number means? if v5 was added after 6 I figure it isn't version.
13:04 Krock yes, v5 was there but removed and added back later again
13:05 StephenLynx ah
13:05 Krock the valleys mapgen and fractal are the newer ones
13:05 StephenLynx I really liked a couple of things in minetest
13:06 StephenLynx 1- how items go straight to your inventory
13:06 StephenLynx 2- how you don't automatically pick up stuff
13:06 StephenLynx 3- how snow falls from vanishing tree leaves
13:06 Krock there are mods to add that behaviour for MC nerds
13:07 Krock but I really like the automatical pick-up of dropped items. Less clicking
13:07 StephenLynx also, if mobs are not added by default, but bones are
13:07 StephenLynx where do you get bones from without mods?
13:07 Krock *without mobs
13:08 Krock these are player bones
13:08 StephenLynx ah.
13:08 Krock not mob bones
13:09 StephenLynx also, I notice it uses irrlicht :v
13:09 StephenLynx I too use irrlicht on a game im working at
13:09 StephenLynx https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmFSSybcaTc
13:10 StephenLynx coincidentally, its also a game in the "cube sandbox" family.
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13:16 Calinou Irrlicht isn't great but it does the job
13:16 Calinou when Minetest was created, other engines like Urho3D did not exist
13:16 Calinou (Urho3D was created in 2011)
13:17 StephenLynx yeah, its development is kind of stalled. the main reason I stick to it its because its intuitive and clean to build.
13:17 Calinou Irrlicht is not completely dead either
13:17 StephenLynx will take a look urho
13:17 StephenLynx at *
13:17 Calinou but its future is uncertain indeed, not sure if a lot of new features will be added
13:17 Krock I wish there sometimes would be more examples for the irrlicht functions :/
13:17 Calinou it seems to be mostly in maintenance mode
13:18 Calinou https://urho3d.github.io/
13:18 StephenLynx yeah, the guy is all "OMG I DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO DO ANYTHING"
13:18 Calinou this is the Urho3D website
13:18 Calinou it is more targeted at full games than Irrlicht
13:18 Calinou provides audio, networking, localization...
13:18 StephenLynx hm
13:18 StephenLynx yeah, ill stick to irrlicht
13:18 StephenLynx too bloated.
13:19 Calinou it's not really bloat
13:19 Calinou Urho3D tries to stay relatively lightweight, like Irrlicht
13:19 StephenLynx its bloated if I am after a graphical engine.
13:19 StephenLynx and not a whole game engine.
13:19 StephenLynx I am already using lua for scripting
13:19 Calinou true
13:19 StephenLynx and raw sockets for networking.
13:19 Calinou yeah for graphical engines, there's mostly OGRE and Irrlicht out there
13:20 Calinou not a lot of choices
13:20 Calinou but these days, people tend to go with full-blown game engines anyway
13:20 Calinou lots of "serious games" and even data visualization is done using Unity or UE4
13:22 Krock Here's more OGRE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogre_You_Asshole
13:22 StephenLynx jesus christ, urho includes sqlite
13:22 StephenLynx Krock, I know ogre, but its a nightmare to compile.
13:23 StephenLynx I tried it before going for irrlicht.
13:23 StephenLynx I also tried panda.
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13:24 Calinou if you want a ready-made game engine today, I'd recommend Godot
13:24 Calinou http://godotengine.org
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13:25 StephenLynx meh, I think ill stick to irrlicht.
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14:48 swift110 o/
14:52 Krock o/
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15:11 Out`Of`Control \o
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15:21 swift110 how are you Out`Of`Control
15:22 Out`Of`Control good you?
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15:25 twoelk (Out`Of`Control is obviously waving out of control to the other side)
15:26 Krock /o /
15:26 Krock |
15:26 Krock / \
15:26 Krock Out`Of`Control, don't do that. It means heil Hitler
15:27 Out`Of`Control Krock:  what?
15:28 Krock Out`Of`Control, a greeting to the F√ľhrer: https://osnabruecker.files.wordpr‚Äčess.com/2012/08/adolf_hitler1.jpg
15:28 Out`Of`Control Krock:  i don't care abut hitler hes dead anyway
15:29 Krock no, he came back and tried to revive the nazis with the internet
15:29 Out`Of`Control Krock:  is there a hitler fart too
15:29 Out`Of`Control ;-D
15:29 twoelk nothing dies on the internet - it just fades away
15:29 aix ^
15:29 Out`Of`Control infinit loop
15:30 aix what
15:30 swift110 im great Out`Of`Control
15:30 swift110 I plan on doing a blog post talking about minetest soon
15:30 Out`Of`Control what is next hitler nyancat
15:31 aix got a link for the blog?
15:31 swift110 I will submit it so others can cooperate via etherpad
15:31 swift110 swift110.wordpress.com but I haven't done it yet.
15:31 swift110 What I want to do is get some folks to play the game and give me their thoughts and add that to it
15:31 aix swift110: how long have you been playing?
15:32 * twoelk has many plans too - since - years - never done anything though
15:32 swift110 aix, I have only played it a few times because I have a hard time concentrating
15:33 swift110 But I really like the concept
15:33 aix alright
15:33 swift110 I have it on all of my computers
15:33 aix tried the mods?
15:33 swift110 even my pi 3
15:33 aix pi 3?
15:33 swift110 I havent tried any mods
15:33 swift110 I am too easily distracted
15:33 aix i thought the 2 was the latest version
15:33 aix me too
15:33 Out`Of`Control aix: what is your server?
15:34 aix i went from setting up a new server to playing vr games for a few hours
15:34 Out`Of`Control its public
15:34 aix ya
15:34 aix it is now
15:34 * twoelk plays since years and never concentrates on anything long - just pooping out a hut on here and a castle there on any server I fancy - forgetting most and moving on
15:36 Out`Of`Control aix: it has a name?
15:36 aix yup
15:37 aix It's named after a strong electrostatic discharge occuring in thunderstorms
15:37 Out`Of`Control its called yup?
15:38 Out`Of`Control its on BSD?
15:39 twoelk aix keeps reminding me of Aix-en-Provence when I read his name ;  letsgoplayboule
15:39 aix i'm sorry what
15:39 aix i get called a lot of things, usually IBM products but that's a first
15:39 aix Out`Of`Control: it's called Lightning
15:45 swift110 thats cool twoelk
15:46 juhdanad Mobs can be invisible. Can players be invisible too?
15:46 twoelk swift110: hmm-you from there?
15:47 swift110 no
15:47 twoelk so not killbith in disguise
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15:48 Krock lol. killbith :3
15:48 Calinou players can be invisible too now, in latest Minetest 0.4.14-dev
15:48 aix juhdanad: yup
15:48 Calinou their name tag can be hidden, so can their skin
15:48 Calinou their selection box should also be made infinitely small, not sure
15:48 juhdanad Thanks!
15:48 Krock but 0.4.13 clients will still see the players
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16:04 * twoelk is sitting in office and tries to make sence of the mess the LAN-installation has become since he was last here a year ago
16:06 twoelk *sense
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16:07 twoelk maybe I should rather use the fast office internet connection to play some minetest
16:09 Krock the boss will trout slap you when he sees you playing
16:09 twoelk boss trout?
16:10 Krock yes, a fat golden one. An expensive big trout
16:10 * twoelk hides while the slapping comes closer
16:10 Krock but it's no problem when you're the boss :3
16:11 twoelk actually my boss loves fish and always brings something tasty for us to try
16:12 twoelk working for a Hamburg based company can be tasty (ofthesaveforworkkind)
16:12 Krock twoelk, print this one and stick it on his door: https://xkcd.com/1694/ (if he understads the joke)
16:12 swift110 lol
16:13 aix how hard would it be to tweak the bookmarks_gui mod to set bookmarks for each user, instead of being global?
16:14 twoelk actually he sees the problems of this sort and blunders straight in
16:15 twoelk once I fixed the system and he then showed me what caused the problem by clicking on the same button on the offending web page again
16:15 Krock aix, if you have some Lua experience it shouldn't be too difficult
16:16 Krock twoelk, and the system broke again? :/
16:16 twoelk ofcourse
16:16 Krock \o/ profit!
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16:17 twoelk note - that's not really my job, I'm supposed to draw CAD plans
16:17 twoelk aix: iirc such a mod is allready made
16:17 aix really?
16:18 twoelk last seen on wildes-land server
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16:18 twoelk may have been the gpx mod
16:19 luizrpgluiz hi
16:20 twoelk nope; rather compassgps
16:20 Krock hi rpgluizrpg
16:21 aix yeah
16:21 aix i think it's global
16:22 aix hm
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16:25 aix twoelk: yeah it only points to the position
16:26 twoelk and you can make private or public bookmarks
16:29 luizrpgluiz it is possible to program blocks it only appear to the administrators in the creative mode minetest?
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16:33 luizrpgluiz because that would be very good administrators such as leaving blocks invisible to players without administrative privileges
16:40 * twoelk watches the boss drive away - and gets itchy fingers hovering in the wasd corner
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16:53 * Krock noticed that twoelk's fingers hovered over the complete keyboard before he moved his fingers to the wasd corner
16:54 Hijiri luizrpgluiz: do you mean it doesn't appear in the menu for non-admins?
16:54 Hijiri It's possible but you would have to modify creative mod
16:55 twoelk actually the fingers waited a sec and then moved on to the brötchen, then the boss came back, now they navigate through the underground of wildesland
16:56 twoelk my hunger saved me :-D
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16:57 luizrpgluiz Hijiri: let's say I'm still mods development apprentice to Minetest :)
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17:20 swift110 thats cool luizrpgluiz
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17:22 luizrpgluiz swift110: :)
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17:26 Zedicius Hey guys, anyone familiar with this one?
17:26 Zedicius https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUfSUpvTveE
17:28 aix are there any mods that provide a way to ban a user if he enters an area?
17:28 aix or touches something
17:31 xunto Zedicius: lol
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17:36 twoelk landrush used to ban for picking protected flowers ;-P
17:37 Krock oh yes. no sense for nature
17:37 Krock I was banned for some minutes for digging a dry shrub
17:39 Zedicius Krock you're a dev, right?
17:39 Krock a mod developer
17:40 Zedicius Ah, I'll ask in the dev channel then!
17:40 Krock depends what you mean exactly with "dev". For me it's an expression for being in the Minetest core team
17:40 Krock which I'm not
17:40 Zedicius That's what I meant, yes.
17:41 Krock !seen BrandonReese
17:41 MinetestBot Krock: brandonreese was last seen at 2016-07-23 21:24:45 UTC on #minetest
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17:42 Krock !tell BrandonReese Would you please be so nice and keep a look at your landrush mod? There are some pulls pending and unanswered issues
17:42 MinetestBot Krock: I'll pass that on when BrandonReese is around
17:42 Krock <3 MinetestBot
17:42 MinetestBot <3 Krock
17:43 swift110 lol
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17:48 aix which mod sets the initial position of the player?
17:50 VanessaE you need a spawn mod for that
17:50 VanessaE or you can set static_spawnpoint in your config
17:51 VanessaE (spawn mods usually allow players to do /spawn or similar to get back to that spot)
17:52 aix yeah, i have one of those
17:52 aix is it possible for players to spawn at one point if they do not have interact?
17:52 VanessaE sure
17:52 VanessaE there are a few mods that do that
17:53 Krock aix, it's the builtin mod that does it for you
17:53 Krock (pre-installed with every minetest build)
17:53 aix VanessaE: i take it tps_keyword_interact doesn't
17:53 nm0i Default mod spawns at statis_spawnpoint if player has no interract
17:53 VanessaE I don't know if it does, aix.
17:53 VanessaE I use cheapie's newplayer mod, which can
17:53 Krock nm0i, it always spawns new players there
17:53 Krock no matter what privs
17:54 VanessaE Krock: that's assuming the player ends up there and not at 0,0,0 :P
17:54 aix ah, that was it, thanks
17:54 Krock VanessaE, yes, right.
17:54 VanessaE (every so often, that happens on one or another of my servers, so every one of them has a building located there with instructions to get the player back to a sane location)
17:57 aix VanessaE: is this a drop-in replacement for the keyword mod?
17:57 VanessaE aix: the one I use is, more or less.
17:58 VanessaE (the minetest.conf settings are slightly different though)
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17:59 XtremeHacker Hey swift110.
18:00 twoelk maybe spawning should be delayed with an info display while the correct spawn position is applied to the avatar - assuming it's builtin getting executed before the mod sets the desired pos
18:01 lumidify Hi, i saw this: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7711. Has there been any thought about getting a feature like that into the engine?
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18:48 Nosrick I've got another (potentially stupid) question.
18:48 Krock shout it out loud :)
18:49 Nosrick I'm trying to check if meta data for a node has been set.
18:49 Nosrick But when I call get_string(), it crashes, telling me I'm trying to call it using a nil value.
18:49 Krock can you show the relevant code in that file on pastebin please?
18:49 Krock or github, if it's there
18:49 Nosrick Or rather, it's saying exactly this: "attempt to call 'get_string'(a nil value)
18:50 Nosrick It'll be pastebin; I've not committed these changes yet.
18:51 Nosrick http://pastebin.com/kUpUpbJr
18:51 Nosrick Crashes on line 6.
18:51 Krock is "node" a variable that was initialized with minetest.get_meta(pos) ?
18:53 Nosrick No, node is a node, passed in to the function.
18:53 Nosrick Is that where I'm going wrong?
18:53 Krock a node is not metadata, these are two different things
18:53 Krock the node (called by minetest.get_node) contains the name and the rotation parameters etc
18:53 Nosrick Ah ha! I thought I could call the metadata functions directly on a node.
18:54 Nosrick Told you it'd be a stupid question. :)
18:54 Krock the metadata is a seperate "object"
18:54 Krock don't worry. everybody starts somewhere
18:54 Nosrick Worst part is, I'm a professional programmer. Someone pays me to type code for them!
18:55 Krock heh, Lua and the Minetest API is something different that must be learnt
18:55 Nosrick Yeah, I'm not used to non-OOP languages these days.
18:56 Krock no matter what a crazy assembler hacker you are, it takes time to get into the materia
18:58 Nosrick How do I get the position of a node?
18:59 Krock in what case? punching?
18:59 Krock or an automatical callback?
19:00 Nosrick Neither, I need to be able to get the position of a node from just the node object, so I can get the metadata.
19:00 Nosrick (Presumably)
19:01 Nosrick Actually nevermind, I realised I'm able to pass the position in from the punching function.
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19:28 ElectronLibre I think I found the culprit
19:29 ElectronLibre https://itunes.apple.com/us/ap‚Äčp/exploration/id472963415?mt=8
19:29 ElectronLibre Apparently a Sadie told one player of our server that this was the application they use.
19:29 Calinou $4 for this, wow
19:30 Calinou lol'd at reviews
19:30 ElectronLibre Well, there's a lite edition
19:30 ElectronLibre And a pocket edition
19:30 Calinou "Updated: Jan 29, 2015"
19:30 Calinou seems very old
19:30 ElectronLibre Yep, that's why I think it's MT, the reviews (and the graphics/gameplay)
19:31 ElectronLibre Isn't there a way of getting a client's version string? I could collect data and see what client is used
19:32 ElectronLibre And also warn older clients about dangerously outdated versions
19:33 ElectronLibre "Available in debug builds only" Fan-effing-tastic
19:33 aix okay so i made a huge maze on my server
19:35 aix for new players to get interact
19:39 Calinou it was not made available in release versions due to privacy concerns
19:39 Calinou ._.
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19:41 ElectronLibre I get how you would be concerned, but it's just the fricking game version
19:41 ElectronLibre Even the master server collects it
19:48 Nosrick Is it possible to define a custom group for nodes?
19:48 ElectronLibre It is
19:48 Eater4 That's not the only one on the App Store
19:48 ElectronLibre Just add my_group = 1 to all of your nodes' definitions
19:49 Eater4 Look up PlayStarz and check out the apps that they have
19:49 Nosrick Thanks!
19:51 ElectronLibre I see the text "minetest" nowhere in the page, so, I think we could legally shut it down. If we had the code to prove it.
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19:52 aix do we have the code to prove it?
19:52 agaran Nosrick: then many places permit to define something for whole group (like abm) using group:my_group
19:53 Nosrick Yeah, I'm trying to make a block that's only collectable using a certain tool type.
19:53 Nosrick (In this case, "wandable"
19:53 Nosrick )
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19:56 Eater4 ElectronLibre: I doubt we can do anything. First, minetest is usually written in C++, not Objective C (apple's programming language)
19:57 ElectronLibre Well then
19:57 ElectronLibre We should let them be
19:57 T4im how do you know it's not a custom development?
19:57 ElectronLibre T4im: No idea
19:57 T4im besides, the name "minetest" isn't what's required, but those illegal forks would have to distribute the sourcecode instead
19:58 T4im or a link to it
19:58 ElectronLibre Or point to the source, in which case their would be "minetest" somewhere in the page (or a link to a page with minetest in its URL at least, you get it)
19:58 T4im yea, after you bought and downloaded it
19:59 T4im before that it's not distributed
19:59 T4im :)
19:59 ElectronLibre I hate licensing stuff
19:59 ElectronLibre So complicated
19:59 T4im not really
19:59 T4im not all of it anyway
19:59 ElectronLibre That's why even my biggest projects are either CC0 or WTFPL
20:00 T4im yea, that's ofc easiest and the most libre
20:00 ElectronLibre s/are /are under /
20:00 * T4im does so too
20:01 Eater4 If you link it to open source, apple would deny the app
20:01 ElectronLibre Well, also, it's code. Nobody is gonna use my code. It's barely commented, and I'm usually the only person who fully knows how to use it (even when it's modular)
20:01 est31 Minetest not being in objectivec is not a problem
20:01 est31 you can write apps in c++ for apple as well
20:02 est31 just all the apis are for objectivec/swift
20:02 est31 similar as in android world
20:02 est31 there java is the main language, but you have ndk which is what minetest uses
20:02 est31 the main reason minetest is not on the app store is the licencing thing
20:02 T4im they really don't allow open source? O_o
20:02 est31 no, they do
20:03 est31 they dont allow GPL however
20:03 T4im ah
20:03 est31 nor do they allow lgpl
20:04 T4im I guess they want its use generally discouraged
20:04 T4im google did similar things on google code iirc
20:04 ElectronLibre Gotta love those apples, growing from the golden tree growing at the center of the golden cage of Apple Inc.
20:04 T4im at least to agpl
20:04 Fixer why the hell it is not allowed?
20:04 ElectronLibre As soon as the slightest line is accessible, they refuse, I guess
20:05 ElectronLibre Fixer: Apple Inc. That's why.
20:06 agaran because they can't close it once it is gpl/lgpl..
20:06 agaran and because there are too many lawyers in usa;)
20:07 T4im with google it's properly rather using than closing; they do open a lot themselves, but always in licenses that allow them to reuse any changes, which I think is rather fair
20:07 ElectronLibre I feel that it must be in their way of conceiving systems
20:07 ElectronLibre See iOS for example. (almost) Completely locked.
20:07 agaran T4im: yup thats fair
20:09 ElectronLibre It's reminding me of something funny I saw on TV the other day
20:09 ElectronLibre Apparently there's an app on iOS' store to check whether you're getting sunburnt or not, with some kind of probe you buy in the market and put on your skin
20:10 ElectronLibre And the app collects that data. People are putting their health information in black boxes which code has never been published.
20:10 agaran oh.. people are doing that a lot..
20:10 ElectronLibre But hey at least they're not getting sun burns \o_
20:10 agaran social networks.. and whatever else..
20:10 agaran but it is offtopic here I guess..
20:11 ElectronLibre Yeah, but that's primarily social information, not specifically health stuff, health stuff on a device tied to your phone number, SIM card, etc
20:11 ElectronLibre Yeah, well, we digress
20:11 agaran ElectronLibre: oh.. social networks have -alot- more than most thinks..
20:12 agaran was kicked by ShadowBot: Paste flood detected. Use a pastebin like pastebin.ubuntu.com or gist.github.com.
20:13 ElectronLibre The heck
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20:13 agaran well that was nice..
20:13 ElectronLibre ShadowBot freaked out
20:14 ElectronLibre And yes social networks gather enough information to basically know everything about someone
20:14 ElectronLibre But specifically health-related data (numeric values, etc), that's the first time I see that (in France at least)
20:15 agaran sure... but today you have social network in phone too..
20:15 ElectronLibre And promoted during the TV news on the first TV channel of France, which is not nothing
20:15 agaran anyway, it os offtopic here..
20:15 ElectronLibre Yep
20:17 sfan5 !deop ShadowBot
20:17 Krock :o
20:18 sfan5 since ShadowNinja won't get his ass here to fix this shit
20:18 sfan5 i'll just remove the op status from shadowbot
20:18 Krock MTB is going to take the ownershit!
20:18 ElectronLibre ShadowNinja hasn't even renewed inchra's domain name as far as I know
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20:19 sfan5 agaran: there's no problem with having offtopic discussions here :)
20:19 Krock 1 contribution within 7 weeks! The world is near the end! :(
20:20 agaran sfan5: well, I spend enough years on irc to try discipline myself most of time..:)
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20:21 Krock sfan5, is the tell function still broken?
20:21 Krock (In ShadowBot, I mean)
20:22 sfan5 in MinetestBot pretty much
20:22 sfan5 i don't know about ShadowBot
20:22 Krock oh noes :<
20:22 sfan5 !py dir(tell)
20:22 MinetestBot ['__class__', '__delattr__', '__dict__', '__dir__', '__doc__', '__eq__', '__format__', '__ge__', '__getattribute__', '__gt__', '__hash__', '__init__', '__le__', '__lt__', '__module__', '__ne__', '__new__', '__reduce__', '__reduce_ex__', '__repr__', '__setattr__', '__sizeof__', '__str__', '__subclasshook__', '__weakref__', 'list', 'remove', 'tell']
20:23 sfan5 !py tell.list()[0]
20:23 MinetestBot (7, 'aerth', 'Viper', 'cool', 1438826801)
20:23 sfan5 !py ','.join(e[2] for e in tell.list())
20:23 MinetestBot 'Viper,wilkgr76,amadin,segfault22,kilbith,Naj,Gael‚Äč-de-Sailly,Ingar,Emperor_Genshin,paramat,jordan4ib‚Äčanez,bashterm,greeter,JamesTait,paramat,turd,Doyle‚ÄčChris,Krock,nanovad,garywhite,Krock,BrandonReese'
20:23 Calinou nice way to mass highlight people :P
20:23 sfan5 there's a tell for you Krock
20:23 Krock e[2] is the message writer?
20:23 Krock nvm
20:23 sfan5 recipeient
20:23 sfan5 (however you spell that)
20:23 Krock even two of them
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20:24 Krock also two for paramat :3
20:24 sfan5 !py "".join(("%r" % e  if e[2] == "Krock" else "") for e inb tell.list())
20:24 MinetestBot SyntaxError: invalid syntax (file "/home/sfan5/mtbot/modules/admin.py", line 78, in py)
20:25 Krock err what? modulo 'e'?
20:25 sfan5 !py "".join((repr(e) if e[2] == "Krock" else "") for e in tell.list())
20:25 MinetestBot '(59, \'Fixer\', \'Krock\', \'critical "die on login" was fixed just now I encourage you to update your builds :)\', 1459898389)(62, \'Fixer_\', \'Krock\', \'https://github.com/SmallJoker/boost_cart/issues/7\', 1467297470)'
20:25 Fixer holy shit, what was that
20:25 Krock old stuff I guess
20:25 sfan5 !py tell.remove(59)
20:26 MinetestBot None
20:26 sfan5 !py tell.remove(62)
20:26 MinetestBot None
20:28 Krock !py "Wohoo! I'm an admin for unexpected reasons \o/"
20:28 Krock apparently not.
20:28 Krock !py "Wohoo! I'm an admin for unexpected reasons \\o/"
20:28 sfan5 try !c
20:28 Krock !py "I have calc powers"
20:28 Krock !c "I have calc powers"
20:28 MinetestBot 'I have calc powers'
20:28 T4im nah, you'll need to get a Krock-in-the-middle first
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20:29 T4im to become*
20:29 Krock T4im, text-align: center; ?
20:29 Krock !c "I have ' issues"
20:29 MinetestBot "I have ' issues"
20:29 T4im to intercept his python commands that are send to freenode and back to the bot and change it?
20:30 Krock I'm not a supahakka :(
20:31 T4im aw :(
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20:38 T4im !c 10^2
20:38 MinetestBot 8
20:38 T4im O_o
20:38 agaran xor operator?
20:38 T4im ioh
20:38 T4im oh*
20:38 agaran !c 10**2
20:38 MinetestBot 100
20:38 * T4im is not a python person as you might tell
20:38 * agaran too
20:39 agaran i'd rather pick perl.. awk, shell, C, :)
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20:48 agaran night
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21:05 Nosrick Can anyone tell me the particulars of what ItemStack:get_tool_capabilities() returns?
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21:16 Krock Nosrick, https://github.com/minetest/minetest_gam‚Äče/blob/master/mods/default/tools.lua#L8
21:17 Nosrick Thank you!
21:18 Nosrick Now, would there be any reason why can_dig isn't being called?
21:18 Krock maybe it's not a regular tool
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21:19 Nosrick Ah, it isn't.
21:20 nuzzle is there a client command or a config option to light everything up?
21:20 Krock put lava near treees
21:24 nuzzle there must be something
21:24 nuzzle to disable shadows
21:24 nuzzle can't find it
21:26 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/3npHPLi.jpg aw yeas
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21:27 nuzzle i mean shadowing as a whole
21:27 sfan5 .
21:27 MinetestBot sfan5: Aug-03 21:27 UTC <sfan5_> this shit has been broken for years, it works now
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21:32 MinetestBot [git] est31 -> minetest/minetest: Porting: Fix endless loop if image format is not recognized e0204c5 https://git.io/v6LWa (2016-08-03T23:21:30+02:00)
21:32 MinetestBot [git] bendeutsch -> minetest/minetest: Zooming the camera requires the 'zoom' privilege 2d3f08d https://git.io/v6LWV (2016-08-02T22:21:38+02:00)
21:32 MinetestBot [git] EXio4 -> minetest/minetest: Add zoom, tweakable with zoom_fov, default key: Z (like optifine) e285edb https://git.io/v6LWw (2016-08-02T22:21:38+02:00)
21:32 est31 err what did I do
21:32 est31 man, i am stupid
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21:37 Nosrick Okay, so can_dig is never being called, even when using a vanilla tool.
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22:01 Fixer in minecraft it is C, not Z key, or maybe i misunderstood
22:04 Fixer anyone knows efficient lava cast design?
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22:17 Fixer fosshub was hacked?
22:19 Fixer "Hacker Compromises Fosshub to Distribute MBR-Hijacking Malware"
22:20 est31 seems so
22:21 est31 its one of the old style hackers
22:21 est31 uncommercialized
22:21 est31 just doing it for the lulz not the money
22:21 est31 suits a website for foss content :)
22:25 Fixer i don't see any "win suck" message, not cool
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23:36 exio4 wow, a commit of mine, actually, just my nick appeared :P
23:36 exio4 I am pretty sure it's just because I stole the idea first
23:41 Fixer not merged yet, good night
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