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00:01 Xello Hello
00:01 Xello Is this a good place to ask questions about moding?
00:01 Xello or would the developer channel be better
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00:07 DonBatman Xello you can ask here
00:08 Xello does print() work in register_on_player_receive_fields. I am having a hard time verifying that execution gets there
00:09 DonBatman print() will print to the terminal window or to debug text
00:09 DonBatman It should work anywhere
00:12 Xello hmm that means that it's not getting called
00:13 Xello show_formspec should work right?
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00:13 DonBatman Can you pastebin what you have and I can look?
00:13 DonBatman show_formspec works yes
00:17 Xello yes
00:17 Xello http://pastebin.com/qMYT2jZc
00:17 Xello sorry about the delay
00:18 Xello the form is showing
00:19 Xello when I press the button nothing happens
00:19 Xello server log thinks the button was pressed
00:19 Xello but it never makes it to the handler
00:20 DonBatman What happens if you remove the return nil on line 14 of  pastebin
00:21 Xello no diffrence
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00:25 DonBatman Might be the : in the form name
00:25 Xello Ill give it a test
00:26 Xello I removed the :
00:26 Xello no dic3e
00:27 Xello dice*
00:27 Xello still will not call the receive function
00:27 DonBatman here is an example from one of my mods
00:27 DonBatman https://github.com/DonBatman/myboardg​ames/blob/master/myuno/init.lua#L156
00:27 DonBatman Maybe you can see the difference
00:27 DonBatman I am not seeing it but will keep looking
00:27 Xello ohhh
00:27 Xello you register it in the function
00:28 Xello Ill try that
00:31 Xello That was it
00:31 Xello I don't belive it
00:31 Xello I would expect it to work outside the function as well
00:32 Xello Thanks ssoo much DonBatman
00:32 DonBatman Awesome!
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01:56 Volkj hi, not sure what i'm getting, but seem
01:57 Volkj seems that furnace keeps burning when it's dst inventory is full
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02:57 Volkj opened a issue on minetest_game
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04:08 nolsen https://nolsen.xyz/paste/?941fe053b7d76cf1#Z​ypY7kGLEevtF3YJR2ybkrvvASuop0ovZtqmDiD2AVk=
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04:14 swift110-phone hey weedy
04:14 swift110-phone hey smugleaf i mean
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08:46 yusf Is there a mod for "serverside" screenshot snapping?
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08:57 yusf Probably not…
09:04 JamesTait Good morning all!  Happy Wednesday, and happy Take Your Houseplant For A Walk Day! 😃  🌷 🌹
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09:38 Calinou how you should write code: https://github.com/Droogans/unmaintainable-code
09:39 Calinou https://github.com/Droogans/unmainta​inable-code#obscure-film-references
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11:28 nm0i Pff. Films. I met obscure russian classic reference with OblomovEyes instead of blue and SnowColor instead of red.
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11:40 lordawe hello
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11:42 Krock hi
11:44 nm0i hi
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11:59 lordawe can somebody help me? I would like to play on VanessaE's creative-builder server daconcepts.com:30008 but I have troubles with client
12:00 lordawe I have Latest sfan's dirty build for win64 but it gives me some serialization errors
12:00 lordawe so I tried your's 32 bit build, Krock, and it works well, but there are some unknown blocks, and I do not know what I am doing wrong.
12:01 lordawe Please.
12:01 Krock if you get unknown blocks on a multiplayer server then it's not your fault
12:02 Krock and for errors: Put them on pastebin so the error can be analyzed well
12:02 lordawe I've couldn't get any recent info about rhis server
12:03 Krock What information? I'm sure there's a topic on the forums for it
12:03 lordawe not for this one
12:04 lordawe it is just mentioned in one post
12:04 lordawe http://pastebin.com/zRcm4NAn
12:06 lordawe it is your minetest_160727_c8b4bed_3.7z build
12:08 Krock lordawe, could you check if you get the same error on other servers?
12:08 lordawe okay
12:08 Krock also, are there more textures missing than just the ones from pine?
12:09 lordawe I think no
12:13 lordawe On another server it just says:
12:13 lordawe 2016-07-27 14:11:55: ERROR[Main]: Subgame specified in default_game [minetest] is invalid.
12:13 lordawe 2016-07-27 14:12:20: WARNING[Main]: Irrlicht: Could not open file of texture: character.png
12:13 Krock ah I see
12:14 Krock the first error is caused by the missing minetest_game, which is not included in my builds
12:14 lordawe okay
12:14 Krock and the 2nd one is the server's fault
12:14 Krock (actually only a warning, can be ignored)
12:15 lordawe I didn't know, I just tried your build because sfan's build gives me serialization errors
12:16 Krock please paste these errors too
12:16 lordawe okay
12:19 lordawe http://pastebin.com/LcePmG5N
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12:24 Krock kilbith found the same error a year ago: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2941
12:25 Krock and there seems to be no solution for it yet
12:25 lordawe I see
12:26 lordawe thank you Krock
12:26 Krock np
12:26 lordawe I have put minetest_game to your build already
12:27 lordawe but @ daconcepts.com:30008 I see unknown block named streets:asphalt_side_r
12:28 lordawe so this is not my fault, server is missing it?
12:29 lordawe there is cmd: /streets
12:29 lordawe it says: Runninf version: 1.4.4dev
12:29 Krock yes, you could fix it by using your own texture pack but that's not the target
12:29 lordawe digilines installed: false
12:29 lordawe mesecons installed: false
12:29 lordawe moreblock installed: false
12:30 lordawe wool installed: true
12:30 Krock ehm okay?
12:30 Krock That's again a server thing and not related to the client
12:30 lordawe k
12:30 lordawe thank you
12:30 Krock because the server handles all textures and mods
12:30 Krock np
12:36 lordawe Krock, will you release 64 builds too?
12:37 Krock lordawe, I haven't tried to compile them on my 32-bit OS yet.. I couldn't even test them, that's the thing :3
12:37 lordawe I thought it so
12:37 lordawe nevermind
12:38 lordawe you're dooing good job
12:38 lordawe thx
12:38 Krock nowadays everybody has like 20 GB RAM so using a 32-bit build doens't hurt :P
12:38 * agaran does not have 20GB ram ;)
12:38 Krock ^ 32 GB
12:39 agaran well no, in private machines far less.. in work things.. even 256G..
12:39 lordawe Just 16/8 GB
12:40 Krock yeah, there are server monsters around with a TiB of RAM.. that's crazy
12:40 agaran Krock: ones we have have 1.5T limit, but that reqire to populate both cpu slots..
12:40 agaran otherwise only 768G
12:40 Krock "only"
12:41 agaran yup.. though one memleak we had issues with was worth of >60G of mem so..
12:41 agaran no minetest there tho..
12:41 lordawe where are you playing, guys
12:41 Krock It's the pointers fault!
12:42 agaran Krock: even worse, :) but it is (should be) fixed now
12:42 Krock uh.. I'm not playing frequently
12:42 lordawe neither do I
12:42 agaran anyone can suggest me what I can do aside of logging off, on Megaf server if I am stuck in some hole, and now realized that I don't have 'interact' privilege even?
12:42 Krock agaran, what's worse than pointer? a pointer array?
12:43 Krock edit the client source code to grant you fly and noclip
12:43 agaran Krock: somebody forgot to add free() equivalent on small piece of data moved between threads.. but when they move hundreds of thousands of slices..
12:43 lordawe ask somebody to help you get out
12:43 agaran Krock: well not going to fiddle with source for that, rather look for other server :) and seek for help later
12:44 Krock agaran, uh yes.. even small pieces can cause a huge memory use by not deleting them :<
12:45 agaran yup..
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12:45 agaran and if it bleeds only few kb per minute it is hard to find
12:51 agaran lordawe: now I am just browsing servers etc, before I return to fixng own code
12:52 lordawe I like to play on linuxgaming2.com server, because it has some nice tweaks and is family safe
12:52 lordawe but it is laggy sometimes
12:53 lordawe I just browse other servers too
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13:06 agaran lordawe: now looking at Calinou's server, so far seems quite empty but otherwise lots of room for building (damage enabled etc)
13:08 lordawe let me see
13:10 Calinou beware, areas mod can't be used by players
13:10 Calinou so you can easily get griefed
13:11 Calinou maybe I'll add a player-usable protection mod like TenPlus1's protector mod
13:12 agaran Calinou: but that means, you can eventually protect something if it gets to point that it makes sense to do so..
13:12 lordawe well, I should learn the third protection mod...
13:13 Krock or the landrush mod? Works nicely
13:14 Krock also I miss a crafting guide there.. the basic stuff is missing
13:15 agaran like? I found already some iron etc
13:15 lordawe Landrush was quite good, I used it loong time ago at LibertyLand server...
13:15 lordawe I amnot in yet
13:21 Calinou I should develop a simple mobs mod and add it on my server
13:21 Calinou but don't really have the skills right now :(
13:23 Glorfindel Use tens mod?
13:25 Krock 11's mod was started as a simple mod but now there are so many mobs in it...
13:26 Glorfindel Yeah, but they are all nice mobs :D
13:27 VanessaE just FYI, lordawe's problem with the missing textures was due to a mod bug on my server.  I've forked and fixed it (I hope).
13:28 lordawe yeah, thank you VanessaE and Krock for big help
13:29 VanessaE yw
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13:36 Calinou Glorfindel: the models/sounds are very inconsistent :(
13:36 Glorfindel Ahhh
13:36 Calinou I don't need 20+ mobs anyway
13:36 Calinou I'd be happy with a rat/sheep/oerkki/dungeon master base
13:36 Glorfindel I never really noticed as I play with sound off :p
13:37 Glorfindel I see
13:41 nolsen #4365
14:03 nolsen ?
14:03 nolsen er
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14:18 Megaf Hi
14:18 Glorfindel Hello
14:19 agaran Hi Megaf
14:19 agaran what one has to do to get interact on your server?;)
14:20 Megaf agaran: just ask me for it
14:20 Megaf :)
14:20 Megaf agaran: just granted you
14:20 Megaf saw you online earlier on
14:20 agaran yep got stuck in some hole
14:21 Megaf agaran: need a lift? You could have done /spawn anyway :)
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14:22 agaran well, spawn reqires interract;)
14:23 Megaf does it? Even on my server?
14:23 agaran yep
14:23 Megaf lol, and I wrote the spawn thingy myself
14:24 agaran it nicelly said that you need interract.. and I stayed in that hole, let me see it
14:24 Megaf agaran: well, you have interact, feel free to explore our imense world :D Hamza568, Jessch8281, sin, daZs and Gniewomir are some of the best players there
14:25 agaran well modlist is impressive
14:26 Megaf I've just added a couple of mobs yesterday
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14:42 Megaf can anyone tell me a god website where I can see a website from around 2004?
14:43 agaran web.archive.org ?
14:43 Megaf internet archive is not working because the current version of it doesnt allow that
14:43 Megaf (the website doesnt exists anymore, now is just in parking)
14:43 Megaf This is the website I'm trying to open by the way http://www.casemodbr.com/forum
14:45 agaran then maybe google cached copies but they probably dont reach that far
14:46 Megaf they dont
14:47 Megaf well, I'm hungry, brb
14:48 agaran Megaf: have good meal
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15:19 nm0i Megaf: huhu
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16:19 nolsen https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4365
16:20 Krock that's a snappy error
16:20 Krock try to update your snappy repo
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16:20 nolsen Krock: Okay, I will contact the snappy devs /sarcasm
16:21 Krock also, ``` is your friend to put multiline console messages into github ```
16:21 nolsen Snappy is very latest
16:21 nolsen nothing I can do about it.
16:21 Krock and leveldb too?
16:21 nolsen And not my problem, either
16:21 nolsen It's their fault.
16:21 Krock I've the feeling that this is a leveldb issue
16:21 Krock so not related to Minetest
16:22 Krock sfan5, wouldn't it be more helpful to say that the issue should be moved to the leveldb repo instead?
16:23 nolsen Ubuntu 12.04?
16:23 nolsen Who uses 12.04?
16:23 Krock ^ sfan5 does?
16:23 sfan5 you don't?
16:23 nolsen somehow install better leveldb packages."
16:23 nolsen "
16:23 nolsen Install better?
16:23 nolsen sfan5: no lol
16:23 nolsen 12.04 lost support, anyways.
16:24 sfan5 what are you using
16:24 Krock nolsen, LOOL
16:24 nolsen 16.04
16:24 * Krock sits in front of a Win XP computer
16:25 Calinou 12.04 is still supported until 2017
16:25 Calinou so, 9 months from now
16:25 nolsen Calinou: I still consider that outdated.
16:26 Calinou but yeah, upgrading to 16.04 costs nothing, and even 14.04 doesn't have that LevelDB bug
16:26 Krock oh yes, 12.04 is somewhat outdated!!
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16:26 Calinou I heard OpenVZ finally had a new release
16:26 Calinou it supports Ubuntu 16.04 maybe?
16:26 nolsen I'm running ubuntu 16.10 on my laptop
16:26 nolsen my VPS has 16.04
16:26 Calinou my VPS is on OpenVZ, thus on 14.04
16:26 luizrpgluiz hi :)
16:26 nolsen I'm using digitalocean
16:26 Calinou I tried upgrading to 16.04 once and broke everything, had to reinstall
16:27 Calinou because 16.04 has a libc that requires kernel 3.2, and OpenVZ is still on 2.6.32 or something
16:27 Calinou a 2009 kernel :)
16:27 nolsen And thus, openvz sucks.
16:27 nolsen KVM forever.
16:27 sfan5 can you go to 4chan if you want to hate on random stuff for no reason?
16:28 nolsen sfan5: no.
16:28 Krock is there a 4chan channel on freenode?
16:28 Krock can't find any
16:29 Calinou nolsen: KVM is more expensive for the provider
16:29 Calinou (more performance overhead)
16:30 nolsen Yes but you don't have to use an ancient kernel?
16:30 nolsen More older than the pyraminds.
16:30 nolsen pyramids*
16:30 sfan5 it doesn't make a difference for the application
16:30 luizrpgluiz someone there made any mod built using vectors only?
16:30 Calinou yes, but that might change, OpenVZ recently saw a new major release
16:30 Calinou sfan5: yes, almost any software is recent enough to run on 14.04
16:30 Calinou except Docker... requires kernel 3.10 :(
16:30 nolsen sfan5: So there is no difference between 2.x and 4.x?
16:31 sfan5 no
16:31 Calinou https://lut.im/gallery#8z4mQicd3Y/oheUQ4gjXjziJgBy.png,7WXTEemTrQ/9SyuV796eH0DsH3I.png,DuTu2DVh4Q/MH​ShQzOdOoWJBymp.png,N7gtgKzizy/QoJEUnW1ubpFn7P0.png
16:31 sfan5 thats not what i said
16:31 Calinou preview of my 32x texture pack
16:31 Calinou made in like, 30-45 minutes
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16:33 nolsen Krock: libsnappy-dev is already the newest version (1.1.3-2).
16:33 nolsen 1.1.3-2 is the latest.
16:34 luizrpgluiz Calinou: beautiful images when you're ready I'll use this very texture pack
16:38 aix okay my server's really turning into shit
16:38 aix I think i'll just rollback
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16:46 aix basic_machinesdigiline-stuffdigilines  minetest-mod-mesecons  modpack.txt  pipeworks # will any of these cause lag anywhere as bad as technic does?
16:46 agaran technic afaik causes lag only when it generates caves, more ores etc.. but otherwise I did not had issues with technic.. when you have problems with i?
16:47 aix i haven't yet
16:47 aix it's just generated caves in my stonesquare field
16:49 sfan5 nolsen: works for me on 16.04
16:49 aix http://yaap.it/paste/cb0fb78ab19fcc6a#iQJ​O2ShcX7gOF6eBGyPuYzqewU5jRrisCte6PDFh0ms=
16:49 aix anything that'll cause huge lag?
16:50 luizrpgluiz sfan5: you know how to generate a fixed construction using only vector?
16:50 sfan5 no
16:50 Krock agaran, not only the mapgen causes lag - also the pipeworks that are usually used in combination with etchnic
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16:50 agaran Krock: yup, tubes are like that, found that hard time but it is not really technic problem..
16:51 Krock depends how many nodes you have that update after X seconds
16:51 Krock so.. talkinga bout ABMs
16:51 agaran in technic most abm's are switching stations..
16:51 luizrpgluiz sfan5: You know someone who knows how to make a mod like this?
16:52 sfan5 no
16:52 Krock luizrpgluiz, that sounds almost like the L-tree systeme
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16:54 aix thanks to some awesome people, i've had to revert my map and no longer grant interact by default
16:57 nolsen sfan5: How did you compile it?
16:57 nolsen and install it?
16:57 sfan5 install requied packages
16:57 Krock aix, my building is lost?!?
16:57 sfan5 download irrlicht
16:57 nolsen irrlicht?
16:57 aix um
16:57 nolsen Isn't that built in minetest?
16:57 sfan5 no
16:57 Krock no, it's a seperate library
16:58 sfan5 and then point cmake to irrlicht's files
16:58 sfan5 compile and ... done
16:58 nolsen I assume I already have it, because I wouldn't be able to run minetest
17:01 nolsen Already installed.
17:01 aix this is wierd.
17:02 aix it's collated all of my worlds
17:02 nolsen sfan5: did you git clone?
17:02 nolsen for leveldb
17:03 sfan5 apt-get install libleveldb-git
17:03 sfan5 uhh
17:03 sfan5 libleveldb-dev
17:03 nolsen aix: That exists?
17:03 nolsen er
17:03 nolsen sfan5:
17:03 nolsen You kidding me...
17:03 nolsen I could've saved time
17:04 nolsen Nobody had said anything about libleveldb
17:04 sfan5 how about you inform yourself before trying to do stuff
17:04 nolsen sfan5: Inform myself? Nobody told me.
17:04 nolsen No documentation
17:05 nolsen You can't get knowledge out of thin air.
17:06 sfan5 correct
17:07 sfan5 instead of downloading random stuff and just installing it you should inform yourself where to get that package for your distro
17:07 sfan5 do you know what https://google.co.uk/ is?
17:07 nolsen .co.k?
17:07 nolsen co.uk?
17:07 nolsen Who lives in the UK?
17:07 sfan5 i don't
17:07 nolsen Hm, now I get a different error.
17:08 nolsen sfan5: DuckDuckGo doesn't say anything
17:08 nolsen about a distro package.
17:08 nolsen Instead I get random, unhelpful info.
17:09 sfan5 then use google
17:09 Krock Oh god. Please stop this flamewar. It's way too hot in here
17:10 nolsen sfan5: Google sucks.
17:10 nolsen They spy on you.
17:10 nolsen They block tor, and my VPS>
17:10 nolsen VPS*
17:10 nolsen Also, https://nolsen.xyz/paste/?a2a0df3b3c5254a1#1​3zH/98GVszfG3twh/FIElRlmF1l6goRoLrxqtxX8jk=
17:10 sfan5 lmao
17:10 sfan5 you need to delete CMakeFiles and re-run cmake
17:10 nolsen I did
17:10 sfan5 no you didn't
17:10 nolsen well, rerun cmake
17:10 sfan5 nolsen: where is your vps that google blocks it?
17:11 nolsen sfan5: digitalocean?
17:11 nolsen I get a captcha every time I use my VPN on my VPS.
17:11 sfan5 then you must've done something terribly wrong
17:11 sfan5 google doesn't block IPs for no reason
17:11 nolsen Yes, I'm doing something wrong.
17:11 nolsen sfan5: What cmake files?
17:11 nolsen There's many files with C
17:12 sfan5 a directory named CMakeFiles
17:12 nolsen sfan5: Didn't work.
17:12 nolsen Same error.
17:13 sfan5 did you run cmake again after deleting?
17:13 nolsen of course.
17:13 sfan5 delete the whole minetest folder and start over
17:13 nolsen ...
17:13 nolsen Yes, I'm going to delete my worlds
17:13 nolsen and my conf
17:14 nolsen and my 50 mods
17:14 sfan5 well save those
17:18 nolsen sfan5: Is there a package for spatial?
17:18 nolsen Since I searched everywhere
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17:37 aix https://sr.ht/wnfd.png i think this is the way forward
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17:48 sfan5 nolsen: use http://packages.ubuntu.com/ next time, the name is libspatialindex-dev
17:49 sfan5 aix: what about people who arent good at english
17:49 aix sfan5: uh
17:49 aix it's an english server
17:49 aix so, politeness aside, i'd say tough shit
17:49 sfan5 in that case ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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17:49 aix :P
17:49 aix also
17:49 aix https://sr.ht/9nrN.png what do you think?
17:51 sfan5 what's that?
17:52 aix a zen garden
17:53 aix http://www.slideshare.net/J​apzen/what-is-a-zen-garden
17:54 sfan5 ah
17:56 aix https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_rock_garden
17:56 aix explains why i couldn't find a wiki page for it before
18:00 Krock looks like a sandbox with gravel
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18:10 aix it is
18:10 aix essentially
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18:23 Krock Have you guys ever heard about this game? http://jawapa.everybodyedits.com/ ?
18:23 Krock (sorry, offtopic)
18:24 sfan5 oh that's new
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18:34 Megaf lol Krock
18:34 Megaf you got me
18:35 specing sup
18:35 specing Where did the Sky server go?
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18:39 aix i forgot how fucking good minetest was
18:40 specing same
18:40 aix I think i'll make an "elite" server
18:40 aix like
18:40 aix not the "elite" that's polluted with internet memes
18:40 aix an exclusive private server
18:42 aix not because i want one, because granting interact by default just causes problems for everyone
18:43 rubenwardy Would be nice to have an invite only server, where to join you need to be vouched for or well known
18:43 rubenwardy but meh
18:43 rubenwardy has draw backs too
18:43 Krock the idea is good but are there enough players who want to register to join it?
18:44 Krock some might never see the server's building because they don't know how to get in
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18:44 rubenwardy I don't like playing only due to annoying children, and griefers
18:44 specing then /protect your stuff?
18:44 specing it worked 2 years ago ;p
18:44 agaran well I was visiting some servers and childs 'wanna be friends' are somewhat.. meh
18:45 rubenwardy there's always bugs with that, and it ends up being annoying
18:45 specing lava in bucket? :D
18:45 rubenwardy I'm currently on my own private server with my brother, much more peaceful - although less impressive
18:45 rubenwardy +building
18:46 agaran rubenwardy: I totally can understand, I have 127.0.0.1 when I want to be left alone
18:47 rubenwardy I wish I could go back to the redcrab days. So many hours of fun then
18:47 Krock specing, that and no interact privilege because there are always people who build dirt or cobble houses
18:48 Krock (or grief the landscape in any other way)
18:48 rubenwardy one of the reasons I quit redcrab (apart from the instability and bugs) was that someone build literally 10m away from me
18:49 rubenwardy com'on, I was in the middle of no where
18:49 rubenwardy get your own land
18:49 rubenwardy to make things worse
18:49 rubenwardy they didn't build a house
18:50 rubenwardy they built a massive 30m high wall
18:50 specing was Trump your neighbour?
18:50 Krock heh.. mexico isn't nowhere
18:50 specing well he paid for it ;p
18:56 nolsen !server such survival server
18:56 MinetestBot nolsen: Such Survival Server | minetest.nolsen.xyz | Clients: 3/15, 1/3 | Version: 0.4.14-dev / minetest | Ping: 1ms
18:56 nolsen 1ms
18:56 nolsen \o/
18:57 nolsen Yet it's eating 50% of my RAM
18:57 nolsen and I only have 993MB on the server.
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19:01 Krock (a sign for many textures or audio files)
19:01 Krock also meshes eat some RAM
19:01 rubenwardy why would meshes eat server side RAM?
19:01 Krock oh nvm. Haven't seen "on the server"
19:02 rubenwardy Really, if you use the http media server, resources should use 0 ram
19:02 Glorfindel nolsen: how much ram to begin with?
19:02 Krock but almost a GiB is much for only 3 clients
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19:24 Fixer https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopi​c.php?f=9&amp;t=13972&amp;p=206195 ._.
19:25 Fixer rubenwardy: minetest is not minecraft it seems, people want to build closer to each other, remember that pic of two guys in empty toilet? %)
19:26 rubenwardy huh
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19:26 Fixer collectgarbage(count)
19:26 Fixer this is useful
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20:21 twoelk hrmpf - I don't mind time outs when connecting to a server but clients shouldn't crash if they can't connect
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20:25 Krock twoelk, it doesn't crash. Only throws an error
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20:25 twoelk thats how it should be
20:26 twoelk just tried to connect to TTech-Creative and crashed every time
20:27 nolsen Glorfindel: 1GB
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20:28 nolsen How much RAM do I need to 15 people?
20:28 nolsen 8GB?
20:28 nolsen We need certain mods to be client-sided, so it stop eating the server's RAM.
20:28 nolsen and CPU.
20:28 nolsen Like rain.
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20:28 nolsen (I wish I have the rain mod, but it eats too much CPU)
20:28 twoelk Krock: it usually ends with: ERROR[Main]: Some exception: "std::bad_alloc"
20:29 Krock twoelk, this means you don't have enough free memory
20:30 twoelk I knew I shouldn't have left all them other stuff running in the background :-D
20:30 Krock ^^
20:30 Krock apt-get install RAM
20:30 nolsen I have plenty of bandwidth (Gigabit internet speeds, up and down), one CPU, and 1GB of RAM + Swap, 30GB SSD.
20:30 Krock (not to be used in real)
20:31 Krock nolsen, largely depends on the mods and configuration you use
20:31 twoelk still, I visited severall servers in a row before and after and this happened only on this one
20:31 Krock Like, how many mapblocks are loaded around players
20:31 nolsen Krock: How much RAM would default use?
20:31 nolsen I'm not using defaults.
20:31 nolsen But if I were, how much would it require?
20:32 ElectronLibre Krock: I'm gonna try your command
20:32 ElectronLibre I wonder what will happen
20:32 Krock nolsen, I don't know much about it. When I ran a server on Windows it took maximal 200 MB of RAM
20:32 Krock ElectronLibre, uh.. package not found?
20:32 nolsen Krock: How many users?
20:32 Krock nolsen, about 8 of them
20:32 ElectronLibre Krock: Yep
20:32 nolsen Krock: How many mods?
20:32 nolsen Was it pure vanilla?
20:32 nolsen Pure boring vanilla?
20:33 Krock nolsen, no, had unifide inventory with skins and some low-ressource mods
20:33 ElectronLibre Pleonasm.
20:33 Krock that was everything
20:33 ElectronLibre (boring vanilla; at least here)
20:33 nolsen Krock: I have about 30 mods installed.
20:33 Krock that's plenty of them
20:33 nolsen I only have one user, and it's using 53.2% of RAM
20:33 nolsen out of 993MB of RAM
20:34 ElectronLibre What mods do you have in there?
20:34 nolsen and 278/1024MB of Swap.
20:34 nolsen I can't get a list
20:34 Krock upload world.mt?
20:34 ElectronLibre "cat $(ls mods/) > modlist"?
20:35 nolsen There might be mods inside those directories?
20:35 Krock "dog $(dunno linux/) > modlist"
20:35 ElectronLibre Or rather echo, maybe cat will work
20:35 ElectronLibre Krock: You should install and try the "lolcat" command
20:35 Krock kthxbai
20:35 ElectronLibre It's completely useless but entirely necessary
20:36 twoelk I guess my main RAM eating culprit is Firefox. Cant leave that creature unattended in the background
20:36 Krock that's a paradoxon
20:36 nolsen servers.minetest.net reports 137 mods.
20:36 ElectronLibre I know. That's the point.
20:37 ElectronLibre It serves to highlight how useless it is, by mentionning how great it is. In some way.
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20:38 * twoelk wonders how much longer he can cling to his 2GB of Ram machine
20:39 ElectronLibre twoelk: Do you need to use a graphical interface?
20:39 agaran anyone knows how to make use out of beehouse in farming_plus?
20:39 Krock twoelk, try a 16px texture pack
20:39 twoelk saddly yes - actually I do 3D CAD with it
20:39 ElectronLibre Holly crepe
20:40 Krock crepes are tasty
20:40 ElectronLibre Can you upgrade the RAM?
20:40 twoelk nope - end of line
20:40 ElectronLibre Compiling.. The answer is : not very long
20:40 Krock The answer must be 42
20:41 * Krock gives twoelk x03 (end of text)
20:43 twoelk a looong time ago I actually lernt CAD by using the terminal and only checking the graphical output once in a while
20:43 agaran but that was like '80?
20:43 twoelk 86
20:43 * twoelk runs and hides
20:44 * Krock feels like a kid again and hides too
20:44 agaran I was using autocad12 but it was wysiwyg already
20:44 twoelk yeah but faster using the terminal commands
20:44 twoelk way faster
20:44 agaran of course
20:45 aix https://sr.ht/2wVw.png not too bad for a day's work
20:45 aix well, more like an hour
20:45 aix i spent most of today fixing the map
20:46 Krock you need more cobble
20:46 aix https://sr.ht/iDt5.png
20:46 twoelk hmm cobbleRam?
20:46 aix these are just the ones i haven't simply trashed to make room for ores while mining
20:47 agaran twoelk: almost like core memory ;)
20:47 aix you need to download more cobble
20:47 twoelk it's all silicon aint it?
20:47 agaran core memory? nah
20:47 agaran it was copper wire and ferrite rings.. back in '50/'60
20:48 agaran you had array of wires, permitting to select row/column etc, and each crossing had also r/w wires and ring over that
20:48 MinetestBot [git] SmallJoker -> minetest/minetest_game: Beds, boats: Replace deprecated get_look_yaw/set_look_yaw ea49eb3 https://git.io/vKba5 (2016-07-27T21:39:22+01:00)
20:48 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Default: Prevent placing sapling if grown tree intersects protection 0ac0969 https://git.io/vKbad (2016-07-27T21:39:22+01:00)
20:48 MinetestBot [git] tenplus1 -> minetest/minetest_game: Bones: Ability to change bones mode. Tidy up code 2df7ce2 https://git.io/vKbaF (2016-07-27T21:37:49+01:00)
20:48 agaran ring was from ferromagnetic that could get magnetized 2 ways, so when you read aplying weak current you know which way it was magnetized..
20:49 agaran that was main memory of computers before silicon memories..
20:49 agaran with bigger current you could change magnetization thus write
20:49 agaran sorry for computer rant.
20:49 twoelk I saw old automatic weaving machines a while ago, programmed with punch cards - or rather wood sheets with holes sewn together -fascinating stuff
20:50 agaran some stuff still operates in same way as it was with punch cards.. and I still have some blanks I got as gift..
20:50 agaran 80 char limit was punch card lenght..
20:50 * twoelk still has some as well
20:51 aix https://sr.ht/oyi0.png
20:51 twoelk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacquard_loom
20:52 twoelk cool to watch them working
20:52 agaran saw knitting machine that was using very similar programming (metal strips but principle same)
20:54 twoelk a loop was a real loop in those days
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20:56 twoelk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3a9wWRxYSko <- another cool looping of strips with holes ;-P
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21:34 nolsen Is there a mod to ban android users?
21:34 MinetestBot [git] SmallJoker -> minetest/minetest: Upright sprite objects: Horizontally flip the front image 8a98cbd https://git.io/vKbPc (2016-07-27T22:21:41+01:00)
21:34 MinetestBot [git] Wuzzy2 -> minetest/minetest: Main menu, lua_api.txt: Fix mod/texture pack screenshot size issues 2cb0f64 https://git.io/vKbPC (2016-07-27T22:20:31+01:00)
21:34 nolsen Because all they do is timeout
21:35 nolsen They are useless players.
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22:01 twoelk most android users don't use the official version from minetest.net - it seems difficult to find a way to ban those other ported versions. noguests and protocol version checks seem the only possibilities at the moment but they are not flawless if they work at all
22:05 nm0i most of android users timout because of oom killer
22:05 nm0i There are plenti of them playing on lightweight servers
22:06 nm0i *Plenty =\
22:07 nolsen twoelk: You can have it check if the client is the offical version.
22:07 nolsen And let the servers decide to ban or not.
22:08 twoelk they will adjust
22:09 nolsen twoelk: They can't.
22:10 nolsen The server will kick them out if they don't reply.
22:10 twoelk steering and writing is difficult for noobs on mobile devices - put up a parcour to leave spawn, add a codeword they need to type and things that need shiftjump and other difficult stuff
22:10 nm0i Last time I asked this question here there was no way to check client version, what changed?
22:12 twoelk no you can check protocol versions wich excludes old clients - a lot of the old android hacks didn't update but that has flaws as you can probably guess
22:13 twoelk it still is the policy of minetest to not exclude by version check iirc
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22:37 rubenwardy How do I get the current stack index of the selected item of the hotbar? I want to get the item stack to the right
22:37 rubenwardy ah, get_wield_index()
22:44 rubenwardy will `stack and stack:get_name()` return get_name if stack exists, and nil otherwise?
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