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00:06 nolsen Void7: Know anything?
00:06 Void7 no
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00:48 nolsen Damn, this channel is dead >.>
00:49 Hijiri I would say it is about average activity level
00:49 nolsen Hijiri: Average?
00:49 nolsen Nobody is talking
00:49 nolsen !mod cpu optimization
00:49 MinetestBot nolsen: Could not find anything.
00:49 Hijiri most irc channels are deader
00:50 nolsen Can't find anything on how to optimize my single-core server.
00:50 Hijiri to have constant activity you need to go on a programming language channel or other large project like #debian
00:50 Hijiri or a language channel
00:51 Hijiri I don't know anything about optimizing specifically for single cores
00:51 nolsen Hijiri: Well, it keeps timing out
00:51 Hijiri what does
00:51 nolsen Sometimes it's not even use 100% cpu
00:51 nolsen but it times out
00:51 Hijiri what times out
00:51 nolsen "What does"
00:51 nolsen What kind of question is that?
00:51 Hijiri sorry, should have been "what keeps timing out?"
00:51 nolsen m(
00:52 nolsen Hijiri: My server.
00:52 nolsen Jesus christ, isn't it obvious?
00:52 Hijiri is is a specific part?
00:52 nolsen i don't know
00:52 Hijiri your connection to a server can time out, or your ABMs can take too long to run, or other things like that
00:52 nolsen No
00:52 nolsen Nobody can connect
00:52 nolsen it times out
00:52 Hijiri I don't think that is an optimization issue
00:53 nolsen It is.
00:53 nolsen The server can't keep up for some reason
00:53 ElectronLibre (An ABM never times out though, it could loop forever)
00:53 Hijiri are you able to connect initially?
00:53 nolsen Of course.
00:53 nolsen But it lags for a few minutes.
00:53 nolsen And you can't do anything.
00:53 nolsen you can't even reconnect.
00:54 Hijiri Alright, sorry, I guess that is server-side lag
00:54 Hijiri Are you running with any mods? If not, it could have something to do with map gen, which usually runs in a nother thread
00:55 nolsen Of course I do.
00:55 nolsen Minetest sucks without mods.
00:55 Hijiri I mean, any mods other than minetest_game's
00:55 nolsen m(
00:55 Hijiri what's m(
00:55 nolsen Hijiri: You must be new to IRC.
00:55 nolsen It's called a facepalm.
00:55 Hijiri I've been on IRC for at least a couple years, but I've never seen m(
00:56 Hijiri that is new compared to the age of IRC I guess
00:56 nolsen I can't even keep players on my server.
00:56 nolsen they leave when it lags.
00:56 nolsen and my server becomes dead.
00:56 Hijiri Have you tried seeing if you get the same issues with vanilla minetest_game?
00:56 nolsen No.
00:56 nolsen Because I don't want to disable all my mods
00:57 nolsen for a useless test.
00:57 Hijiri It might be a mod that's being expensive
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00:58 Hijiri If you don't think any of your mods would take too much server time then I guess you can rule it out without testing
00:59 Hijiri have you already done the not-specific-to-single-core optimizations like lowering max_simultaneous_block_sends_* ?
01:01 Hijiri If the game processing is hanging for minutes at a time, it might not solve it, but it could help
01:02 nolsen no
01:03 Hijiri this forum post has some common configuration options for improving performance https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=10&t=1825
01:03 nolsen !server such survival server
01:03 MinetestBot nolsen: Such Survival Server | minetest.nolsen.xyz | Clients: 1/15, 1/4 | Version: 0.4.14-dev / minetest | Ping: 1ms
01:04 nolsen I have 300Mbps connection on my VPS, so bandwidth speed doesn't matter.
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01:04 Hijiri you can still reduce CPU usage by sending less blocks
01:05 Hijiri then less map has to be generated while people explore
01:11 nolsen !mod heads
01:11 MinetestBot nolsen: Bring Me The Head [heads] by thefamilygrog66 - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=7020
01:11 nolsen !mod moving heads
01:11 MinetestBot nolsen: Could not find anything.
01:11 nolsen !mod sprint
01:11 MinetestBot nolsen: Sprint [sprint] by GunshipPenguin - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=9650
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01:15 nolsen Performance might improve if there was a way to preload all the terrian
01:15 nolsen or generate all the chunks
01:15 nolsen er, nodes.
01:16 nolsen And just load/unload
01:18 Hijiri I don't think you can keep the game from loading on its own, but it's possible to cause map generation from lua
01:18 Hijiri It's a bit of a hack, but reading the map into a VoxelManip will load the blocks covered
01:18 Hijiri technic uses it here: https://github.com/minetest-technic/te​chnic/blob/3db3a9cc32a453a58a18321f99e​531725749e681/technic/helpers.lua#L49
01:19 Hijiri it still won't keep players from causing generation by walking far/digging deep though
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01:31 nolsen !server such survival server
01:31 MinetestBot nolsen: Such Survival Server | minetest.nolsen.xyz | Clients: 5/15, 1/5 | Version: 0.4.14-dev / minetest | Ping: 2ms
01:31 nolsen hm, 2ms lag
01:31 nolsen So far, so good.
01:31 nolsen with the changes
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02:26 Hijiri !mod ufos
02:26 MinetestBot Hijiri: UFOs [ufos] by Zeg9 - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=4086
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03:23 Hijiri nolsen: have to go for a abit
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03:52 nolsen !server such survival server
03:52 MinetestBot nolsen: Such Survival Server | minetest.nolsen.xyz | Clients: 0/15, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.14-dev / minetest | Ping: 1ms
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08:09 MinetestBot [git] Jeija -> Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Fix #276: Fix bugs in block forceloading in turnon / turnoff 7c7595f https://git.io/vK9Og (2016-07-25T10:01:43+02:00)
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09:37 hisforever I want to change the code for time which file do I do that in?
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09:58 Calinou souvenirs, souvenirs...
09:58 Calinou http://c55.me/minetest2/index.php
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11:26 agaran can anyone confirm that ^[colorize:#000000:130 makes texture darker in amount that node gets brigther when it is light source? (well perhaps it depends on light amount too..)
11:27 Calinou screenshot?
11:28 agaran well I'll explain maybe, I have node that is lamp, when it is off textures on it match cabling etc.. when it is on they get brighter.. I found with gimp how brigther they get, then got idea to instead make separate textures for both cases, use just ^colorize transform to use same set
11:28 agaran for me it is doing work but I wonder if for other gpu/display stack it will work same
11:29 agaran as gamma etc may be different for other graphic card
11:29 agaran and mod itself is not yet ready enough to be shown, even as pre-alpha
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12:06 everamzah https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goDd02TTxBA
12:06 IhrFussel Best way to determine something is a player or not inside register_on_punchplayer() ?
12:07 everamzah player:is_player() i think
12:08 IhrFussel everamzah, yes that's what I need. Thanks :)
12:08 everamzah no problemo
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13:48 IhrFussel I coded a mod for my server which is supposed to ignore any damage by players if they are NOT inside a specified area...now the problem is that it also ignores any damage caused by monsters. I already tried to wrap the whole function inside a player:is_player() condition but it doesn't work: http://pastebin.com/TbEAYqCW
13:49 behalebabo IhrFussel: You should check if the hitter is a player, not if the player is
13:50 IhrFussel Oh you're right I think i mixed that up...
13:53 ElectronLibre IhrFussel: I coded that a while ago, maybe you can use it as a model
13:54 ElectronLibre https://github.com/MinetestForFun/server-minete​stforfun-skyblock/tree/master/mods/peace_areas
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14:33 agaran facedir can take values between 0 and 3 inclusive, right?
14:40 thefamilygrog66 agaran: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=73195​&sid=882d486d646219804468baca844187d2#p73195
14:40 agaran binary answer was enough ;)
14:41 Krock agaran, the binary answer would be 0
14:41 agaran Krock: yup
14:41 agaran thefamilygrog66: thanks :) so I need more clever approach
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15:48 nolsen !server such survival server
15:48 MinetestBot nolsen: Such Survival Server | minetest.nolsen.xyz | Clients: 1/15, 0/2 | Version: 0.4.14-dev / minetest | Ping: 2ms
15:48 nm0i !server Megaf
15:49 MinetestBot nm0i: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 1/24, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 7ms
15:54 agaran thefamilygrog66: thanks that hint lead me to find something else buggy in my code
15:54 agaran Krock: want to see what I meant with less bulky wiring?
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15:56 aix hi
15:56 agaran hello
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16:01 aix My server doesn't actually listen -.-
16:02 aix says Server for gameid="lightning" listening on 0.0.0.0:30000. but netstat says otherwise
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16:07 agaran what netstat says?
16:07 aix uh
16:07 agaran maybe you have some other means that force app to bind to certain ip (you can do that for example with vservers, with lxc, perhaps also few other ways)
16:07 aix what the
16:08 aix okay it works if i su to the mt user but not when i ssh into it
16:08 aix great
16:08 agaran see? so you inherit root permissions with su mt, but when you ssh to mt you get only mt privileges
16:08 aix anyway it's back up
16:08 aix actually
16:08 aix sshing into mt gives you a huge stack size
16:08 aix i should probably undo that
16:09 aix mt hard stack 1000000000 this was dumb
16:10 agaran ulimit -a to inspect
16:13 aix https://sr.ht/8Dg7.png
16:13 aix well they did say please
16:13 aix aw hell why not
16:19 nolsen Why does technic have no documentation on how to use it?
16:20 nolsen oh, nevermind.
16:20 Krock aix, it's sad that good players never ask for being admin
16:20 agaran nolsen: I was reading code a lot when I started to toy with it, what you need?
16:21 aix Krock: ah, haven't come across any of those yet
16:21 nolsen agaran: How do I use the switching station?
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16:22 aix maybe i should add mesecons & co to my server
16:22 agaran just connect to its bottom to make your network work
16:22 nolsen Too complex.
16:22 agaran nothing is to be done with it, but every separate net needs it in it
16:22 agaran nolsen: well in technic switching station is piece that actually does all computing of power..
16:23 nolsen Doesn't work
16:23 nolsen I put a wire near it
16:23 nolsen does nothing
16:23 agaran under
16:24 agaran most of technic stuff connect ONLY under
16:24 aix guys should i do it
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16:29 aix oh what the hell let's do it
16:30 nolsen agaran: Tried that
16:30 nolsen It won't even fit the HV cables
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16:31 agaran nolsen: it works for me, your server is reachable from public?
16:31 nolsen No, it's reachable from space.
16:32 agaran outern space at least?
16:33 agaran I have something like that fuel fired generator, under it LV cable, next to it, another cable and over it switching station.. next to it, cable and lv furnace
16:33 agaran (optionally iwth battery also connected same way)
16:35 agaran nolsen: but if you like to go to some server where technic is enabled like VE creative, I can show you too..
16:39 agaran nolsen: got it?
16:40 aix https://sr.ht/ndts.txt how i'm getting this error
16:40 aix now*
16:42 Krock requires mesecons' mvps mod
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16:55 nolsen agaran: Suppy: 0, demand 0
16:55 nolsen The solar panels have no network
16:55 agaran nolsen: wire from bottom of solar panel to wire under switching station ?
16:55 nolsen agaran: Doesn't work
16:56 nolsen Technic must be broken.
16:56 nolsen or a shitty mod
16:56 agaran I am using it.. maybe it is not smooth in all places, it works
16:56 agaran you have release, or snapshot?
16:56 nolsen I don't know
16:56 agaran you are on your own server right?
16:57 nolsen Oh, I used the wrong wire
16:57 agaran /giveme technic:lv_generator then place it next to your station with wire under..
16:57 agaran for lv you use white, for medium you have black,
16:57 nolsen I'm pretty sure I can see the names
16:58 agaran oh, but from distance you better see color of it.. in some tries I had 60 nodes height between lowest and highest point in one power grid..
16:58 agaran sometimes there were issues..
17:00 nolsen Supply 11,000 now
17:00 agaran thats quite a lot of panels..
17:01 agaran 55 for max power for solar panel..
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17:02 nolsen 200 EU
17:02 nolsen per panel
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17:03 agaran yup,
17:03 agaran thats why I said a lot..
17:07 nolsen There's no instructions for the nuclear reactor rod
17:08 agaran oh, I never got to nuclear stuff there yet, not enough uranium found so far..
17:09 nolsen I can just use the inventory to get more
17:09 agaran then you will be grinding and centrifuging for days until you get enriched..
17:09 agaran this way yo can get just rector core, and there was some readme in technic that had basic stuff explained
17:09 nolsen I filled it with uranium fuel
17:09 nolsen did nothing
17:09 nolsen Obviously broken
17:10 agaran in mine is manual.md, well, I can't say I haven't tested it yet
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17:14 agaran from quick glance in manual you need turn uranium into fuel rods first..
17:14 agaran and core needs proper cooling and radiaton shield too
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17:59 nolsen agaran: The manual is too complex
17:59 nolsen I need a simple version
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18:04 nolsen agaran: I set up pipeworks to provide the reactor cooling.
18:04 nolsen Put uranium rods inside
18:04 nolsen the thing is surrounded in water.
18:05 nolsen But the thing is on "Idle"
18:05 agaran you need water nodes I think..
18:05 agaran not flowing water.. but I may be wrong
18:05 agaran never tried to do it actually
18:05 nolsen Yes, there are water nodes.
18:05 nolsen coming from spigots.
18:09 Void7 quote from the manual: "water blocks may be either source blocks or flowing blocks"
18:10 Void7 layers are: flowing/source water, stainless steel, blast-resistant concrete blocks
18:11 nolsen agaran: What do I need to do now?
18:14 agaran building my reactor, moment
18:15 agaran you put six rods of course?
18:17 nolsen yes.
18:20 agaran mine works..
18:20 agaran Power station says 100000 supply..
18:21 nolsen Mine is on diel
18:21 nolsen idel
18:21 nolsen idle
18:21 agaran I build core, around cube of water nodes, around that bigger cube of stainless steel blocks, around that cube of blast proof concrete
18:21 agaran 2 holes, one up, to fill rector core with fuel, second down, for hv cable to station
18:24 nolsen I didn't use any concrete
18:25 agaran stainless steel blocks at least?
18:25 agaran added fourteen hv bateries, and they charge properly so I guess it is working fine..
18:26 agaran single bat got charged in 10 seconds so..
18:26 nolsen no, carbon steel
18:26 agaran try stainless then? maybe it is sensitive to kind of enclosure?
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18:28 agaran and now I got chernobylite bucket
18:30 nolsen "Invalid search node name"
18:30 nolsen Can't use world  edit
18:30 nolsen It says carbon is invalid
18:30 nolsen but it sees it
18:30 agaran technic:stainless_steel_block
18:30 agaran you need this
18:31 nolsen Nuclear reactor core idle
18:32 nolsen I ven tried concrete
18:32 nolsen even*
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18:34 agaran and I rebuild my reactor again after blowing it up.. well, for me it works, cube of water, cube of stainless steel, cube of blast proof concrete (helps for explosion of core)
18:38 Fixer "Quake 1 Ported To Run On Vulkan" but why....
18:41 agaran Fixer: I guess one said 'Because I can'
18:42 nolsen agaran: You use uranium fuel right?
18:42 nolsen 6 of them?
18:42 agaran nolsen: yes
18:43 nolsen !server such survival server
18:43 MinetestBot nolsen: Such Survival Server | minetest.nolsen.xyz | Clients: 2/15, 1/2 | Version: 0.4.14-dev / minetest | Ping: 2ms
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18:49 agaran lol, palm leaves got into building through solid wall..
18:50 est31 thats one of the problems of the waving leaves
18:50 agaran but it looked funny inside..
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19:03 agaran nolsen: I meant, you don't need regenerate world.. just use inventory to get what you need.. or giveme command.. try, if you like then you redo
19:04 aix what does a digilines memory chip do?
19:07 Hijiri guessing you can send requests to store and get data from the chip
19:08 babylon where would i go to find a small, unmoderated (preferably technic) server? it seems like most of the publicly listed ones have enormous cities built with 20+ players
19:09 agaran babylon: well, there are some servers that aim at creative building but space available there is rather big enough to find own part of field..
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19:23 agaran nolsen: got it?
19:26 * nm0i introduced DPS into toxic rain...
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19:28 babylon do you need a specific type of alloy furnace to make stainless steel? chromium+iron ingots in the fuel-fired alloy furnace doesn't seem to smelt at all
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19:33 agaran babylon: chromium + carboon steel
19:37 babylon is there a wiki that lists the recipes? cause the one listed on the technic mod page has misleading information (http://technic.kosyak.info/)
19:40 agaran well I looked at that site, then started to read mod source..
19:47 babylon oh lol, sorry... i found it on github
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19:57 Hijiri how common is savannah-swamp biome?
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20:00 agaran never encountered, what mod is providing it?
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20:13 Hijiri agaran: default
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20:20 agaran never saw it, I am jealous..
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20:23 Hijiri I haven't seen it either
20:23 Hijiri apparently it is the only biome that spawns papyrus too
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20:32 agaran Hijiri: hmm, then I saw it not knowing, as I use papyrus for some stuff (though sometimes it is loooooooooong walk till I find it)
20:33 Hijiri alright
20:33 agaran I usually try to search edges of water areas.. if I am lucky I find lone 2-3 papyrus plants then cultivate them close to my 'settlement'
20:36 agaran that reminds me about almost empty papyrus stash..:)
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20:44 nolsen !server such survival server
20:44 MinetestBot nolsen: Such Survival Server | minetest.nolsen.xyz | Clients: 2/15, 2/3 | Version: 0.4.14-dev / minetest | Ping: 49ms
20:44 nolsen 49ms
20:44 nolsen dam
20:45 nolsen damn*
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21:44 rubenwardy can anyone recommend a server which has very nice medieval towns and castles?
21:44 Sand_Minetest I don't remember any server like that, I'll help look though
21:44 Sand_Minetest was it on the public list?
21:45 rubenwardy I want a suggestion of one to visit
21:45 rubenwardy It's not one I've lost
21:45 Sand_Minetest oh, sorry
21:45 Sand_Minetest I read "remembered" instead of "recommend"
21:45 Sand_Minetest my mistake
21:45 Fixer Liberty Land has a few iirc
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22:35 IhrFussel Players ask me what the command is to reconnect? Not sure if it's a server command or client one
22:35 agaran I think you just need click as usual in client.. or I did not found any other way
22:35 sfan5 there's no command for reconnecting
22:36 IhrFussel sfan5, but i saw some talk about such a "reconnect to server without logout" talk
22:36 IhrFussel command*
22:41 IhrFussel Anyways thanks for the help =)
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