Time  Nick            Message
00:06 swift110        hey all
00:22 domtron         hi swift110
00:31 swift110        hey domtron how are you?
00:37 domtron         @swift110: I'm doing ok. How about you?
00:45 swift110        im great domtron
00:47 domtron         been reading some of the "drama" on the server section and was wondering... Has anyone tried to implement some sort of quality assurance for new players? I was thinking something like a set of puzzles or something designed to drive away certain types of players (short attention span, people who can't follow instructions). Only if you solve them can you enter the real game and get interact ect. I don't know if that is unkind or what, but I
00:47 domtron         am curious if anyone had tried it.
00:50 TheReaperKing   Does anyone know of any good examples of lbm s
00:54 Glorfindel      domtron: in the Xanadu thread?
00:57 domtron         @Glorfindel ya I was reading that one in particular but also remembering some of the "I'm leaving" threads that complained about servers with lots bad players.
00:58 domtron         I frankly haven't played on servers myself. My internet connection is too bad (generally <20ish kbi/s)
01:10 Volkj           is the Xanadu server population that "bad"? Not the first time that server got talked here
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01:19 domtron         I had always hear that it was good. I think I even heard a couple people say it was the best server. this is the first time I've heard about it being bad though I haven't been following servers. I keep to the mods section usually. It's just the past couple of days I have been skiming all the sections and contributing a bit.
01:20 domtron         @ Volkj
01:21 Glorfindel      Volkj: it's a very popular server, with lots of new people all the time. As such it attracts bad players along with the good
01:34 Volkj           domtron: it seems that has many mods, and mainly mobs. FWIV on servers people complain that X server isn't like minecraft because this or that, mainly mobs. Are mobs the added value in a minetest server? Seems so
01:35 H-H-H           the answer to that is simple
01:36 H-H-H           minetest != minecraft
01:36 Volkj           the type of player that wants a minecraft experience tends to be the less calm usually. results may vary
01:37 Volkj           that from a pov of server attractiveness
01:50 domtron         @ Volkj , H-H-H : I frankly wouldn't mind more of a minecraft experience. That is have a good amount of polish in the UI and in other places (I think we are getting there though). I think people go a bit overboard about the "we are not <distain>minecraft</distain>" because of the, paraphrasing what you said, loud majority. I think there is lots to barrow from MC especially from the mods which I frankly don't see as being "minecraft" per-sa
01:50 domtron         y. Just good ideas and a lot of hard work by passionate voxel game players.
01:51 Volkj           in order to make minetest more like minecraft, you need... a company behind
01:51 domtron         that's not to say I don't get annoyed by the regular post of "can you add this thing that is exactly like vanilla MC"
01:53 domtron         @ Volkj: meh I don't totally agree with that. I mean that would defiantly help but there are examples of FOSS that is very polished and has no company related to it. On the top of my mind is Battle for wesnoth.
01:54 H-H-H           i am only echoing what other devs have said including celeron
01:55 Volkj           domtron: more like few projects in a sea of many. BoW seems to fit a niche with low competition, where minetest is against minecraft, the "giant"
01:55 domtron         I would say Libre office and appache but I think both have companies behind them (or at least foundations, not sure how those work exactly).
01:57 domtron         @ H-H-H , yep I've heard them say it. And I'm not totally disagreeing with that either. I'm just saying there is a middle ground that could be taken.
01:57 Volkj           libreoffice started from sun's staroffice opened in openoffice then modified in go-openoffice by suse, now has a foundation but mainly collabora and other sponsors, as they can take openoffice code easily. IBM may be behind too, see lotus symphony, even if it's more linked to openoffice
01:57 Volkj           btw, what end did openoffice? lookin
01:58 domtron         sorry don't understand the question...
01:59 Volkj           beside the company behind, minecraft kinda started the genre and more, the trend
02:00 Volkj           minetest was viewed as "not-pay-minecraft-clone" for not so long ago, the difference in perception plays a good role
02:05 domtron         well to be exact the guy who built infiniminer, Zachary, started the genre, which is what Notch based MC on, to my understanding. (BTW have you seen the other experimental games by Zachary? Some are pretty interesting especially infini-factory which I think is based on MC, ironically XD)
02:06 Volkj           thinking another way, it's the same difference between Windows and Linux. As Windows is largely spread, why a person should go to Linux if he can get Windows for few money (preinstalled) or free of money as Linux (other ways, largely illegal)? This argument keeps going on and on on on the web
02:06 domtron         but yes Mojang totally got the trend rolling.
02:07 Fritigern       What illegal ways are there to obtain Linux?
02:08 Volkj           seems by samsung https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11914533
02:08 domtron         @ Fritigern he means illegal ways to obtain windows for free like linux is free.
02:08 Volkj           got that, @ domtron.
02:08 domtron         at least that is what I understood it to mean.
02:09 Volkj           there's one way to get windows legally free now, insider program. You'll be a tester, but free Windows! something i can live without
02:13 swift110-phone  back
02:18 domtron         And the OS debate is a bit different. Windows has major and obvious flaws all the way down to it's kernel(if it's called that... that might just be a linux/unix term). The way windows persists is simply that people are familiar with them so those people insist on their employees to use it and they introduce their families to it and they make their software for it ect adnausium. Essentially a "I use it because most people I know use it" men
02:18 domtron         tality. Windows used to be more polished which is how it got so much more popular(that and Bill Gates amazing marketing skills+little competition, or so I have read) then Linux, but now days linux, especially the ubuntu flavors, is very user friendly. And we are seeing more consumer software working on linux as well as windows.
02:18 domtron         and I am so far off topic x.x
02:18 domtron         also too slow at typing >.<
02:19 swift110-phone  lol
02:20 Volkj           windows success came from preinstalled, see the Linux that made it, Android. But the argument can be adapted well in the minetest vs minecraft debate
02:21 swift110-phone  ok how so
02:22 swift110-phone  i like minetest but i don't understand why tutorial isnt installed by default
02:22 Volkj           imho minetest tends to be an engine with a minimal game over it
02:23 swift110-phone  I don't understand that terminology
02:23 domtron         @ swift110-phone which terminology?
02:24 Volkj           engine = what runs the game, minimal game = the game you can play on vanilla minetest
02:24 Volkj           minecraft tends to expand the vanilla game including more contents
02:26 swift110-phone  ok
02:27 swift110-phone  i still feel that tutorial should be installed by default
02:27 Volkj           got a typo, wrote minetext (so if someone wants to make a curses version has a name XD)
02:28 domtron         hehe :P
02:28 swift110-phone  I want to see more people enjoy the game i see that its very flexible and i love that
02:29 Volkj           given that most people i saw on servers get on android, the first thing they'll do will be skipping the tutorial and get straight on online game
02:30 domtron         hmm, I have totally lost what we were talking about. o.O I guess Minecraft vs Minetest is 3 camps: "I don't care i just want to play", "we don't want to look anything like MC", and "we want it to look exactly like MC". Each has various reasons for their "position." I guess I'm just saying I wish people would not shoot down an idea just because "MC does it. we are not MC. therefore we cannot do it." but especially when it comes to modded mi
02:30 domtron         necraft.
02:31 swift110-phone  ok
02:31 swift110-phone  well whenever i show people minetest they just feel like its a rip off of mc
02:32 Volkj           i think some people first play minecraft and get accustomed, then feels tired and try minetest thinking it's better, but they find another game. Right, minetest best word from minecraft is "different"
02:33 swift110-phone  hmm
02:34 swift110-phone  how do i show the differences between mc and minetest
02:34 Volkj           ask them if they bought minecraft first :P
02:36 swift110-phone  well chances are they did
02:36 swift110-phone  but most people have never heard of minecraft
02:36 swift110-phone  i mean minetest
02:37 Volkj           when all the sites and media makes the digital LEGO = minecraft equality it's hard to be noted
02:39 swift110-phone  true
02:39 swift110-phone  it does re
02:39 swift110-phone  remind me of legos
02:40 Volkj           i'd take the chance to say that Minecraft substituted LEGO for new generations of people
02:41 Volkj           and for that, even paying is a problem
02:42 Volkj           how much time a kid will play with a $20 LEGO kit? he'll surely wants more, but in Minecraft mods are free, and the game main selling point is the gratification in seeing your creations and the work you've done for them in making and collecting the materials
02:42 domtron         heh there is a thread on the forum about Roblox, which is basically electronic legos. so it is interesting you bring that up.
02:43 Volkj           thanks for the name domtron, i've got the reason that minetest started
02:44 Volkj           minetest is a clone to make money  - https://forum.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=93233592
02:44 Volkj           5th post
02:44 Volkj           we've been fooled, the whole opensource, free, yaddayadda, all for money! :-D
02:46 domtron         @ Volkj of course you could just buy a 3d printer and make your own legos. :P I've actually read some interesting articals about that. This one guy designed 3D printable adapters between every kind of block building type toy. There were like 40 parts he designed. Another one ran tests with a little DIY mechine that tested how many times you could put together and pull apart official legos vs 3D printed ones.
02:47 domtron         wait really they mentioned Minetest. o.o
02:48 domtron         "Minecraft is written in some irrevelent language called Java and is closed-source." hehe, my sentiments exactly. :3
02:49 Volkj           chance are some are trolling
02:50 DonBatman       if you are asking what the difference between minetest and minecraft is then that is easy. Minecraft is a game where as minetest is a game engine that supports many games
02:51 DonBatman       You get a basic game to begin with and you can make it how ever you want with mods or sub games
02:51 DonBatman       minetest is very flexable aand allows for many different types of games to be made
02:53 Volkj           imho there isn't an effort to make minetest as minecraft, more to keep it as it is
02:54 Volkj           right or wrong? personal choices, but please don't go to servers talking about minecraft is better yaddayadda
02:54 swift110-phone  hm
02:55 Volkj           generally talking.
02:55 DonBatman       The effort is in making it a great engine. The thing that is lacking right now is subgame developers that have great unique ideas
02:56 DonBatman       minetest will never be like minecraft. It will always be focused on being an engine for many types of games
02:57 Volkj           let's ask notch to help as game designer in minetest_game :D
02:58 DonBatman       Why Notch? There are many better game devs in the world
02:58 swift110-phone  h..
02:58 swift110-phone  hmm
02:59 Volkj           just the first that came in mind related to voxel games
02:59 DonBatman       besides I imagine he has a contract with MS that states he can not dev any competitive games
02:59 domtron         I actually think the whole "Minetest is an engine" is a bit off. Unity 3D is an engine. Irrlich is an engine. Alephone is an engine(shameless plug for a FPS engine I like :3). You don't run an engine directly, you run a game which incorporates an engine. I feel it would be better to call minetest a platform or framework (or something... idk. This idea/peeve of mine needs more research) or to seperate it out so you have a game library clien
02:59 domtron         t that launches games and connects to servers and the library that can be included into your application. But this idea is weak which is why I haven't tried to push for discussion in the forum or anything. x.x (and again I'm typing too slow and the conversation has moved on :P)
03:00 Volkj           carmack is taken by facebook, maybe american mcgee, but then every block you dig will bleed
03:02 Volkj           keep going domtron. Are you on a phone for that slow typing or you just are not accustomed to fast typing?
03:02 Volkj           not that it means
03:03 domtron         From what I've read Notch probebly wouldn't mind helping out. Then again maybe he would. Main reason he sold the company was because of all the drama. He just wants to make fun and unique ideas into games. This is a thing we should NOT barrow from MC. That is the attitude of the community. x.x
03:05 domtron         Volkj, nope I'm on my PC. I just hunt and peck. Which is ok for programming but not good for conversations. Also I'm kindof anti-social so it takes a minute to parse what people say and form a semi-coherent thought.
03:05 DonBatman       Notch is more than welcome to develop games for minetest
03:05 Volkj           domtron: take your time. Fast typing without errors (or even without watching the keyboard) isn't a skill one learns fast
03:06 Volkj           and given my not-so-good english, many people will sure think multiple stuff about my words :D
03:06 domtron         I got to scoot. Or at least AFK. Got some choirs to take care of. been fun talking instead of lurking for once. :P
03:07 DonBatman       As for minetest not being an engine... you can not play minetest without a game installed. Whether it is in single player or on a server a game is required
03:26 swift110-phone  back
03:26 swift110-phone  so what do you think is nwwded2
03:27 swift110-phone  what do you think is needed to improve minetest?
03:28 Volkj           mainly some cleanups, as there are many papercuts. But before that, searching, knowing and separating the problems between minetest and minetest_game to not make wrong choices
03:29 swift110-phone  what do you mean paper cuta
03:29 swift110-phone  paper cuts
03:30 Volkj           it's a term used by canonical https://wiki.ubuntu.com/One%20Hundred%20Papercuts (%20 in a url? crazy)
03:31 Volkj           it means a problem that can annoy but usually isn't that bad to feel it, so you forget about it after some time. But it remains annoying the time you get it
03:32 swift110-phone  oh i see
03:32 swift110-phone  volkk
03:33 swift110-phone  volkj how long u been playing minetest?
03:33 Volkj           circa 6 months on the server i'm at moment
03:34 Volkj           counting singleplayer and past server experiences, 5 years
03:35 swift110-phone  wow
03:35 swift110-phone  thats a ling time
03:35 swift110-phone  did you play mc before?
03:36 Volkj           having a low end pc helps in the choice. never player minecraft, except the browser (classic?) version, practically a digging simulator
03:36 Volkj           got recently into modding, but i'm still a newbie
03:37 swift110-phone  og
03:37 swift110-phone  oh
03:37 swift110-phone  ok
03:37 Volkj           i still have something against tables in lua, they're... different from what i was accustomed
03:37 swift110-phone  what ya mean
03:38 Volkj           i just need time to know lua better
03:38 swift110-phone  i see
03:38 Hijiri          it would be nice if lua came with an immutable table type
03:38 swift110-phone  i would lice
03:38 swift110-phone  i wof
03:39 Hijiri          maybe in addition to the mutable one it has now
03:39 swift110-phone  i would love to play minetest on a huge screen
03:39 Volkj           well, as conv gone into modding... i used code from default mod in a mod of mine, but i used GPL3 for it. Have i made it wrong?
03:39 swift110-phone  and with a joystick
03:39 Hijiri          default mod is GPLv2+ right? You can relicense under GPLv3
03:39 Volkj           for the joystick part, testing version of minetest has gamepad support
03:41 Volkj           swift110-phone: even if i could, i can't play minetest on a touchscreen device. Mice are addictive
03:42 swift110-phone  lol
03:42 swift110-phone  i would love to play minetest with like a virtual glove
03:43 Volkj           i think minecraft is more supported on that side, with VR
03:46 swift110-phone  oh ok
03:49 swift110-phone  i figured that
03:50 Volkj           however, if you don't mind duct tape, you can make something with a wiimote and glovepie scripts
03:52 swift110-phone  lol
04:47 domtron         back just for a bit.
04:58 domtron         huh this site is nice: http://minetest.tv/ . Nice looking design and clear presentation.
05:05 Volkj           tv domain -> suspicious -> looks really a television channel
05:07 domtron         suspicious? it's basically a youtube channel with a website, blog, and a bit of a community.
05:08 Volkj           shady sites usually have these kind of domains, but even google didn't report virus so i did watched
05:08 domtron         I mean I didn't dig around that much but content wise it didn't look suspicious. Maybe they have a link to a hacked client, but I didn't go so far as to look. /me shrugs
05:09 domtron         but ya I know what you mean.
05:11 domtron         kindof interesting that I was just talking about roblox/legos on the forum, then talked to you about legos, and now I run into this site which runs a lego textured minetest server. XD
05:17 domtron         huh. apparently the blogger knows DonBatman. http://blog.minetest.tv/xtreme-server-map-progress-2/
05:18 Volkj           who knows if with clientside mods you can make a cat with nodes and have it running on the server
05:20 Volkj           err, a car not a cat
05:20 Volkj           great idea
05:26 domtron         good night. Sleep well all.
05:26 Volkj           bye
08:20 Calinou         Hijiri: most default mods are LGPLv2+
08:21 BubblezRaging   I need a admimn for stormchaser3000's survival server i have a greifer
08:38 Hijiri          Calinou: Sorry, my mistake
08:39 Calinou         LGPLv2.1+ to be more accurate
08:39 Calinou         so, it's recommended to use the same license for your modifications
08:39 everamzah       where's the fun in that?
08:39 JamesTait       Good morning all!  Happy Wednesday, and happy Chocolate Eclair Day! 😃
08:39 Calinou         everamzah: you can use a more permissive license too
08:39 Calinou         like CC0/WTFPL/Unlicense
08:40 everamzah       not if it's lgpl
08:40 Calinou         everamzah: for your modifcations, you can license them under anything
08:40 Calinou         (this has little practical effect though)
08:40 everamzah       right, so then u wouldn't be able to relicense the entire mod
08:41 everamzah       just license ur own modifications separatly... sounds complicated
08:41 Calinou         yes
08:41 everamzah       but u can take the whole lgpl 2.1+ mod and make it all gpl3
08:41 everamzah       or all gpl2
08:41 everamzah       yes?
08:42 everamzah       i think that's right
08:43 Calinou         yes
08:43 Calinou         since it has "or later" clause
12:23 * nm0i          is tired of running /rollback and /ban every morning
12:23 nm0i            Has anyone tried to feed logs to neural net?
12:27 Fixer           why?
12:28 nm0i            Most griefers aren't that smart. There must be pattern to their behavior.
12:32 Calinou         that would be very CPU-consuming
12:32 Calinou         nm0i: get more moderators :P
12:32 Calinou         ideally there should be always 1 moderator online on your server
12:32 Calinou         if not 2
12:33 nm0i            I don't trust humans :(
12:33 Calinou         then have pony moderators
12:36 nm0i            Hm. Ponies are good, yes...
12:36 Devices         make a rule that allows griefing
12:36 Devices         then there's nothing to moderate
12:37 Devices         problem solved
12:43 everamzah       !server Fun Caves
12:43 MinetestBot     everamzah: [FCS] Fun Caves | lumaria.duckdns.org | Clients: 2/15, 1/2 | Version: 0.4.14-dev / minetest | Ping: 120ms
13:32 modo            110.247.115.137:30000 my server, please come and play
13:34 Volkj           i'd suggest a domain
13:36 modo            i'm planning a ddns
13:36 Volkj           ic. saw you got another game on 30001 port, from server list
13:38 modo            yes,but this one disappeared,i dont know why
13:39 domtron         good morning Volkj, modo
13:40 Volkj           welcome back domtron
13:40 modo            good morning domtron (in fact it`s night for me)
13:51 Eater4          I installed Minetest from the PPA. Why is it trying to continuously run on adress 0.0.0.0 which fails for binding ports?
13:51 Out`Of`Control  Eater4:  compile one from source, its not that hard
13:51 Devices         the source one will bind to 0.0.0.0 as well
13:52 Devices         that's the defautl behaviour
13:52 Eater4          I've done that to, the PPA doesn't seem to find the config
13:52 Volkj           Eater4: run minetest --help from terminal to see more runtime parameters
14:00 modo            please come and play...
14:01 Volkj           already playing stable on another server, thanks for the invite anyways
14:02 sfan5           modo: give it time
14:02 modo            okay..
14:02 est31           Eater4, binding address 0.0.0.0 is expected
14:02 est31           it means that you listen everywhere
14:03 est31           so everybody may connect
14:03 est31           because most times your machine has multiple ip addresses
14:03 est31           127.0.0.1 is usually one
14:03 est31           and then there is usually a second one in your local network
14:04 est31           Eater4, are you sure that there is no other minetest server running on that port?
14:04 est31           and if you are, then maybe your OS forbids you to bind the port
14:04 Eater4          Nope, I'm gonna double check my firewall, even though it's disabled
14:05 est31           then you either have to run minetest as root (which I dont recommend its a bad idea), or you have to configure your os
14:05 est31           to not block listening on that port
14:06 Devices         which distro are you using Eater4?
14:06 Eater4          Ubuntu
14:06 est31           which ubuntu version
14:06 Devices         run 'sudo iptables -L' and see if it allows UDP on 30000
14:07 Devices         or does ubuntu not have iptables?
14:07 est31           I do
14:07 est31           and I have ubuntu
14:08 est31           yeah its dependency of the ubuntu-core package
14:08 Out`Of`Control  Player*** RemoteClient 11: m_blocks_sent.size()=370, m_blocks_sending.size()=1, m_nearest_unsent_d=0, m_excess_gotblocks=3
14:08 est31           so its installed by default, at least on 16.04 which i have
14:08 Out`Of`Control  Anyone could explain what just happen ?
14:08 est31           thats debug information
14:08 est31           and usually its accompanied by more stuff
14:09 est31           what you pasted here is mostly useless
14:09 Out`Of`Control  that player got many times most are 0 some with number
14:09 Out`Of`Control  est31:  and then once he got 90 gold blocks
14:09 Out`Of`Control  out of nothing
14:09 est31           oh.
14:09 est31           interesting...
14:10 Out`Of`Control  he was using crossbow too
14:10 est31           Out`Of`Control, PM
14:38 XeonSquared     Geniuses, is there any way to make Minetest run in stereo 3D?
14:38 Volkj           alcohol /s
14:39 est31           I think it should already run in stereo 3d
14:39 est31           err
14:39 est31           you mean with VR stuff XeonSquared?
14:40 XeonSquared     Well, I was thinking more just stereo 3D on a screen
14:40 XeonSquared     I'm the cheapo that uses a phone and a VNC server as 'VR'
14:40 est31           aha
14:40 est31           well yeah it works
14:40 est31           which minetest version do you have
14:40 XeonSquared     0.4.13
14:41 est31           okay no settings tab then
14:41 XeonSquared     Do I want to update it?
14:41 Volkj           there was something for anaglyphic https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1010
14:41 Eater4          Ah a fixed it
14:41 Eater4          I*
14:41 est31           XeonSquared, see the 3d_mode setting
14:42 Calinou         it's the 2000s-style anaglyph
14:42 Calinou         not anything to close to NVIDIA's 3D vision
14:42 Calinou         and we have no VR support, too
14:42 Eater4          There was a stray Minetestserver running after I built it....? I killed it and it works now
14:43 XeonSquared     Do I want to uninstall the old Minetest before I instal the new one?
14:43 XeonSquared     I'm guessing yes.
14:43 XeonSquared     >.> Windows.
14:44 Calinou         XeonSquared: yes, always
14:44 Calinou         (especially if you used the installer)
14:44 Calinou         the good update procedure is as follows: uninstall -> reinstall
14:44 Calinou         this is Windows :)
14:45 XeonSquared     huh
14:45 XeonSquared     side-by-side 3D mode
14:45 XeonSquared     nice
14:45 XeonSquared     >:D
14:45 XeonSquared     now I just need to get some lenses
14:46 XeonSquared     and turn down some settings, damn apparently being able to run maxed with one display isn't the same as two.
14:50 Calinou         XeonSquared: two viewports are basically twice as expensive as one
14:51 est31           are they
14:51 est31           you have half of the resolution
14:51 est31           and you can re-use at least the vertex shader
14:51 est31           can't you
14:52 est31           (maybe i am wrong)
14:52 Calinou         I'm sure there's room for optimization :p
14:57 XeonSquared     I'm going to need something more powerful than a 750Ti for the next set of games that come out, I think
14:57 XeonSquared     here's what gets me about minetest: No matter how hilariously underpowered the machine, it manages to run at ~25FPS
14:58 XeonSquared     and yet no matter the overpoweredness of the box it never seems to get to a solid 60FPS
14:58 Volkj           my pentium4 is dissenting
14:59 XeonSquared     Like I've run this on a Pentium D, a really bad Atom...
14:59 XeonSquared     I tried a PowerPC G4 but that got all of 5FPS because it was doing software rendering
15:00 Calinou         XeonSquared: my next PC wil have a GTX 1080
15:00 Calinou         XeonSquared: performance on Windows is low, on Minetest
15:00 Calinou         on Linux it's much better
15:00 XeonSquared     I normally run Linux
15:00 Volkj           given that when i played on atom i got less than 20 fps with drawdistance = 20
15:00 XeonSquared     but even with a 750Ti on max settings some views will give me 40FPS
15:02 Calinou         XeonSquared: what view range do you use?
15:03 XeonSquared     is the drawtime in ms?
15:03 Calinou         yes
15:09 swift110        wow
15:09 swift110        whats wrong with the 750 ti?
15:09 Volkj           that i don't have it
15:10 XeonSquared     because the powermac gets a drawtime of >1500
15:10 XeonSquared     more like 1700
15:10 XeonSquared     It was turned up pretty high in that instance
15:10 XeonSquared     I didn't really have any issue with it
15:12 XeonSquared     uh
15:12 XeonSquared     righto
15:16 sfan5           ah yes
15:16 sfan5           !deop ShadowBot
15:28 Calinou         swift110: it is not that powerful
15:28 Calinou         in 3 years it'll be unusable for AAA games :P
15:28 Calinou         it is 20% less powerful than a GTX 570 already
16:11 Calinou         wow, this is great: https://github.com/junegunn/fzf
17:43 Calinou         https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2016/06/22/mozilla-awards-385000-to-open-source-projects-as-part-of-moss-mission-partners-program/
17:53 Glorfindel      Calinou: do you support users of your one line update script?
17:53 Calinou         Glorfindel: yes
17:53 Calinou         rate: 0.05 Minetestbucks a second
17:53 Calinou         :)
17:53 Glorfindel      Lol
17:54 swift110        hey all
17:54 Calinou         I don't use a Debian-based distro anymore so I don't know if it works
17:54 Calinou         but I have a Xubuntu 14.04 VM that I use for testing stuff
17:54 Calinou         so I can test it there
17:54 Glorfindel      I've not been able to update to 14 using it
17:54 Calinou         delete your ~/minetest folder
17:54 Calinou         (note the lack of the .)
17:54 Calinou         then run the script again
17:54 Glorfindel      Ahhh, ok
17:55 Glorfindel      Thanks :)
17:55 Calinou         note: if you chose a portable build, this will erase all your user data!
17:55 Calinou         (worlds, minetest.conf…)
17:56 Glorfindel      Na this was system wide
17:57 Glorfindel      How much do I owe you? :p
17:57 swift110        hmm
17:58 Glorfindel      Hi swift110
18:00 swift110        how are you Glorfindel
18:00 Glorfindel      Doing good :)
18:00 Glorfindel      You?
18:07 Fixer           Calinou: using arch?
18:07 Calinou         Antergos
18:19 swift110        Glorfindel, I am fantastic
20:05 fullmetaljacket afternoon guys
20:06 fullmetaljacket anyone around and able to help with a question about minetest on linux ?
20:06 asl97           fullmetaljacket: just ask the question
20:07 asl97           if someone is around, know the answer and want to answer, they will answer.
20:07 fullmetaljacket ok..if i play minetest on Arch linux... all is good, clear screen etc.. but as soon as I play on Ubuntu or anything....i get the fps etc on top showing...2 lines of numbers going crazy etc... is there anyway of turning it off on ubuntu ..so it's like it is on Arch
20:08 asl97           i am gonna take a guess and say what you saw is the debug menu,  press f5 to toggle it
20:09 fullmetaljacket ok, i'll give that a shot...i tried hitting every key..but i'll try right now again..thanks..
20:12 fullmetaljacket well god damn...look at that...i couldn't find answer anywhere... on mine i have to hit Alt F5.... very much appreciated...Thank You
20:24 swift110        another satisfied user
20:31 mmmm            #amhi
20:32 mmmm            whois
20:34 swift110        lol
21:03 KaadmY          !server pixture
21:03 MinetestBot     KaadmY: Pixture game server | pixture.quelcom.xyz | Clients: 5/10, 1/10 | Version: 0.4.14 / pixture | Ping: 18ms
21:03 KaadmY          5 players? nice
22:09 nm0i            !server megaf
22:09 MinetestBot     nm0i: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/5, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 7ms
22:12 Mr_Narfh        VanessaE?????
22:29 atomhell        Question: Is there such a mod called "computer", because I cannot find it.
22:46 Volkj           atomhell: seems to be https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3830
23:20 domtron         hi all y'all. :)
23:45 nm0i            hi mortal