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00:04 DNK_ I don't want the executable, I want the minetest folder so I can access /minetest/bin/ so I can start editing the server files, that does not help me.
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00:16 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/dNlQGZw.jpg \o
00:43 Sokomine fixer: yes, i've seen that bug in another context as well but am not sure as to how to fix it
00:52 Volkj DNK_: minetest shared files are on /usr/share/minetes
00:53 Volkj however it's better to get a separate config per-server in /home/user/.minetest
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01:06 TheReaperKing Is there a way to write a loop in minetest
01:06 TheReaperKing I'm searching the wiki for syntax guides
01:07 Sokomine not in minetest as such. it's not a language. you can write loops in c (if you're changing the engine) or lua
01:07 TheReaperKing is there any kind of wait command?
01:08 Sokomine depends on the situation. waiting would not be helpful in most cases as it'd block execution of the rest. better tell us what you want to do
01:09 TheReaperKing basically I want it to fire spawning at a predefined time, so a spawner set at 30 "delay" delays 30s seconds from the server creation
01:09 TheReaperKing I did post it on the forums too
01:09 TheReaperKing https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=47&t=14979
01:09 Sokomine ah. there used to be a method called "abm" (active block modifier) for that. now it's probably lbm? just take a look at the api
01:09 TheReaperKing like 2 seconds ago haha but figured I'd ask in here too
01:09 TheReaperKing okay I will thanks!
01:10 Sokomine register_abm
01:10 Sokomine at least for nodes
01:10 TheReaperKing You just reminded me of something else to check too, thank you
01:11 Sokomine hmm. i could use an and(..) function for joining a list of strings right now...but i think we only have concat (or self-written functions)
01:12 TheReaperKing so I have an idea, the delay could set the "interval" and then the spawn is fired and then interval could be set to 0 directly after it
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01:24 MinetestBot [git] yyt16384 -> minetest/minetest_game: Flowers: Fix misaligned waterlily texture e0bec50 https://git.io/vorFb (2016-06-21T02:21:00+01:00)
01:24 MinetestBot [git] sofar -> minetest/minetest_game: Doors: Clean up nodedef usage 3e9afe0 https://git.io/vorFN (2016-06-21T02:20:47+01:00)
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01:50 Sokomine you could remove the node. anyway...there are mob spawners around somewhere where you can take a look :_)
01:57 DNK_ I got stuck between rocks without any pickaxe or wood, what do?
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02:34 TheReaperKing you can do a loop, a for loop!
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03:39 swift110-phone hey
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03:50 sloanonlinux Hi
04:02 swift110-phone how are you sloanonlinux
04:03 sloanonlinux Fine,  you?
04:07 Hijiri TheReaperKing: You should take a look at node timers
04:13 swift110-phone im g4eat
04:13 swift110-phone im great
04:18 swift110-phone what ya up to sloanonlinux
04:27 sloanonlinux I'm just working on math
04:31 swift110-phone ok cool
04:34 TheReaperKing Thanks Hijiri
04:34 TheReaperKing Looks like I actually might have it working with minetest.after
04:34 TheReaperKing I will check out node timers too
04:35 TheReaperKing Wow looks like they would have made life a lot easier
05:02 Hijiri If you stand on a moving entity, do you get carried along with it?
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05:03 everamzah no, i don't believe you do
05:03 Hijiri okay, thanks
05:03 everamzah only if you're attached?
05:04 everamzah like on a horse with a saddle lol, when it works
05:04 everamzah or a cart
05:04 NeueMann How long does it take for a server to start looking like people actually play it?
05:04 VanessaE a couple of weeks if people recognize your name
05:05 everamzah depends on the server, how much ppl like it, how long they stay
05:05 everamzah if ppl stay for a while, it attracts more players
05:06 TheReaperKing why are some "end"s "end,"
05:06 TheReaperKing what does the comma do?
05:06 everamzah because they're table elements
05:06 NeueMann Also, I can only have about three players at once because I have a single thread on my VPS. Are there some server processes I can kill?
05:06 VanessaE because they're part of a table
05:06 TheReaperKing like an array?
05:06 everamzah anything that's not minetestserver, i imagine
05:06 VanessaE you can embed a code segment into a table, for example.
05:06 everamzah yes, a table array
05:06 TheReaperKing Thanks so much
05:06 everamzah i guess everything in lua is a table?
05:07 TheReaperKing I've never been much of a coder but I've been learning so much tonight it feels amazing haha
05:07 TheReaperKing when coding stuff actually works it is such a great feeling haha
05:07 everamzah yes lua/minetest good platform for learning
05:07 TheReaperKing I'm trying to learn it fast so I can teach my students
05:08 TheReaperKing I'll start with the other areas first I think
05:08 everamzah do you read the PIL book?
05:08 TheReaperKing I don't think I have
05:08 Hijiri numbers aren't tables
05:08 everamzah i think everything in lua is a table
05:08 Hijiri that's not true
05:08 Hijiri you can't index a number
05:08 everamzah https://www.lua.org/pil/
05:09 everamzah free online 1st edition: https://www.lua.org/pil/contents.html
05:09 TheReaperKing ha that's actually what I was looking at tonight for loop syntax
05:09 Hijiri do you want me to read each section to see if it says that everything is tables
05:09 Hijiri oh
05:09 Hijiri that wasn't at me
05:09 Hijiri sorry
05:09 TheReaperKing I'll have to make sure to bookmark it now for sure
05:09 everamzah u can't have a number without a var?  the var is part of a global table?  (i'm making this up)
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05:10 Hijiri values and variables are distinct
05:10 Hijiri even if one has is assigned to another
05:10 everamzah how do u get a value without a variable?
05:10 Hijiri 1 + 1
05:10 everamzah how do u store it?
05:10 Hijiri why do I need to store it?
05:11 Hijiri I could do local x = 1 + 1 anyway
05:11 Hijiri and that wouldn't be part of any table
05:11 everamzah _G
05:11 Hijiri _G is for global variables
05:11 everamzah oh
05:11 Hijiri And it would not matter anyway
05:11 Hijiri being a value in a table is not the same thing as being the table
05:12 Hijiri Needing tables to use Lua is not the same as everything being a table
05:12 everamzah interesting
05:12 Hijiri this is like saying everything is a function in a functional language
05:13 everamzah in lisp everything is a list?
05:14 Hijiri primitive integers are not a list
05:14 Hijiri s/list/s-exp
05:15 everamzah i dunno me
05:15 everamzah lua/minetest is pretty fun anyway
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06:14 swift110-phone hm.
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06:16 burli good morning
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06:47 everamzah greetings
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07:23 Qwertie Does anyone know where I can get the mods required to run a sky block server?
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07:29 everamzah Qwertie: never done it, is it a subgame?  if so it would come with all.  if it's a mod, it should have a depends.txt listing which mods it needs
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07:34 Qwertie everamzah: Yeah its like subgame, I have seen it on a server before. I can find a mod that seems to work for single player but I cant tell if it would work with a server
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07:37 everamzah Qwertie: i see skyblock modpack from cornernote, with recent commits... https://github.com/cornernote/minetest-skyblock
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07:37 everamzah skyblock_levels mod depends.txt has standard stuff, except for protector - u need to grab that
07:37 everamzah and it has an opt-depend on unified_inventory
07:37 everamzah otherwise whatever server mods you feel you need
07:37 everamzah and i think that should be it
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07:57 NeueMann Just got broadband internet. I'm running the WAFE server. It's dauntingly slow because my VPS only allows one thread. I have an old acer aspire one in the closet with no hard drive. Would flash storage work for the server? I have a couple of those.
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08:53 Fritigern NeueMann: I don't see why that wouldn't work for a server
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09:04 JamesTait Good morning all!  Happy Tuesday, and happy Go Skateboarding Day! 😃
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09:38 Derr https://i.sli.mg/bO6g8a.png bulbasuar is the last pokemon I'm going to add now I'm going to focus on code
09:42 Derr I know how to bone but I'm not sure what kind of animations these guys should have
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09:56 BubblezRaging I need a admin for storms survival server i am having greifers
09:58 BubblezRaging stormchaser3000 i need help
09:59 BubblezRaging and there is a guy names Oscar cussing
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12:57 swift110-phone hey
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13:51 LNJ2GO How can I set the admin of a world? (/admin)
13:51 NeueMann minetest.conf setting "name"
13:52 LNJ2GO so name = LNJ
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13:53 LNJ2GO thanks
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15:54 Calinou http://www.pcgamer.com/were-running-a-q​uake-server-all-weekcome-play-with-us/
15:54 Calinou KaadmY: ^
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16:52 Guest123 Hello
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16:59 Builder1234 is this irc operational?
17:00 Volkj people will answer, given time
17:03 Krock but he doesn't know that fact
17:04 asl97 craft prediction is done on the server side?
17:04 Krock only server knows the recipes, so yes.
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17:16 H-H-H you would have thought that builder1234 would try a different irc channel lol instead of the same one for days on end
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18:29 Devices I have a problem with a server, it doesn't seem to listen on the port
18:29 Devices when I nmap my server IP at port 30000 it says closed
18:31 Glorfindel Where are you nmap'ing from?
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18:32 Devices the server itself. if I do it from my own pc it just says 'filtered' like on all closed ports
18:32 sofar Devices: did you do an UDP or TCP scan?
18:32 Devices oh good question, I just used the default setting
18:32 sofar there are also better ways to see if minetest is listening on a port, or not
18:32 sofar lsof -n | grep LISTEN
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18:33 Devices that gives no results
18:33 sofar or `netstat -lpn`
18:33 sofar on the machine itself
18:33 Devices yeah
18:34 Devices the second command seems to imply it listens on 30000
18:34 Devices udp        0      0 0.0.0.0:30000           0.0.0.0:*                           -
18:34 sofar on UDP, yes
18:34 sofar that's where it listens by default
18:34 Glorfindel Couldn't you just fire up another minetest client and test?
18:35 Devices well I get a server connection timeout when I try to connect
18:35 Devices which is why I'm trying this shit
18:35 sofar try running a client from the same machine as the server?
18:35 Devices is there a command line client for minetest?
18:35 sofar nope
18:36 sofar headless server?
18:36 Devices then it'll be difficult, it doesn't run X
18:36 Devices yeah
18:36 asl97 sofar: there is that random input client
18:36 Devices debian jessie
18:36 sofar asl97: sure, but that's somewhat over complex :)
18:36 sofar Devices: firewall? port forwarding? actual IP address?
18:37 * sofar afk
18:37 Devices tried actual IP address and digitalocean should have all ports open by default
18:37 Devices my website required no firewall/forwardign and neither did ssh socks5 proxy
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18:38 Glorfindel Would DO have special rules for http/https ports?
18:40 Devices maybe
18:41 sfan5 if you really want to test you should do an UDP scan
18:41 sfan5 because minetest does not use tcp for game connections
18:41 sfan5 also take a look at your iptables to see whether anything is being filtered
18:42 sfan5 also you should probably run nmap on your pc for checking purposes
18:43 Devices the UDP scan says open/filtered
18:44 sfan5 well then it should work
18:45 Devices yeah it should, but it doesn't sadly
18:45 Devices let me check if I even have iptables installed
18:47 Devices nothing in the log files about blocking/dropping packages
18:48 Devices and I just tried a socks5 proxy from my server on a random port and that one works fine
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18:50 asl97 Devices: one of the bot can check if it is able to access your server if you tell it the ip/domain using the up command
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18:50 Devices so /msg bot up domain?
18:53 asl97 !up 31.14.135.5 30001
18:53 MinetestBot 31.14.135.5:30001 is up (39ms)
18:53 asl97 like that^
18:54 Devices ah
18:54 Devices !up izumi.tv 30000
18:54 MinetestBot izumi.tv:30000 seems to be down
18:54 KaadmY !server pixture
18:54 MinetestBot KaadmY: Pixture game server | pixture.quelcom.xyz | Clients: 3/10, 3/5 | Version: 0.4.14 / pixture | Ping: 22ms
18:54 asl97 (note: ip address selected 'randomly' from the server list)
18:54 Devices what could be the problem?
18:54 Devices minetest-server is running
18:55 asl97 ask your host?
18:56 Devices I don't think it's on their part, I can connect to my other services
18:56 asl97 does those other service use udp?
18:57 asl97 the host could be filtering udp traffic
18:58 Devices hm they are all tcp yeah
18:58 Devices I'll google around
18:59 sfan5 Devices: iptables is installed by default and dropped packets are usually not logged unless specially configured
19:00 air is it not possible to copy and paste in the change password fields?
19:00 sfan5 depends on your os
19:01 sfan5 don't exec copy-paste to work on linux at all
19:01 sfan5 expect*
19:01 air why?
19:01 sfan5 irrlicht problems
19:07 Devices made a support ticket on my host
19:07 Devices friend of mine said they might indeed block UDP
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19:11 sfan5 a major cloud hoster blocking all UDP traffic seems unlikely to me
19:11 sfan5 but let's see what they say
19:12 Devices at least I'd know it's not that
19:15 air sfan5: thanks, found a patch by est31 to fix irrlicht
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20:12 Devices DO says UDP is not blocked
20:12 Devices what else could it be?
20:13 asl97 Devices: minetest not listening to requests from anyway?
20:14 Devices the bot says it's down as well, so yeah probably
20:14 Devices can't test on the server itself, it's headless
20:15 asl97 did you put anything in `bind_address =`?
20:15 Devices nope, it binds to 0.0.0.0
20:16 Devices I also tried 127.0.0.1, but doesn't work either
20:16 asl97 what about ipv6_server = false?
20:16 Devices it's set to false yeah
20:16 asl97 iirc, 127.0.0.1 would make it listen to request from itself only
20:16 Devices yeah I found online that 0.0.0.0 is normal
20:17 asl97 maybe firewall
20:20 Devices nothing in my firewall seems to block it
20:29 asl97 the server is running?
20:29 Devices yeah, talking to you from it now
20:29 Devices but it did appear to be a firewall issue
20:29 Devices thanks for the help m8
20:29 asl97 i mean the minetest server
20:29 asl97 that is pretty much the only thing i can think of.
20:29 Devices fixed it with "sudo iptables -A INPUT -p UDP --dport 30000 -j ACCEPT"
20:30 swift110 minetest is nice
20:30 Devices which is weird since the firewall should have allowed all protocols
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20:48 sloanonlinux_ Where's pilzadam?
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20:52 * sloanonlinux_ tripleboops OldCoder
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21:21 Fixer somewhere in pilzland
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23:37 heman_ hey, can anyone provide a quick answer
23:37 asl97 heman_: it depend on the question
23:37 heman_ I realize the answer will most likely be a no but still worth an ask
23:38 heman_ I'm helping at a children's summer club, and we are putting together a "minecraft" event, as our state is hlding a competition to replicate the capitol.
23:39 heman_ Are Minetest saves compatitable with Minetest and vise versa?
23:39 heman_ *Minecraft and vise versa
23:39 Volkj minetest is a different game from minecraft
23:39 heman_ I realize that.
23:39 Volkj however i don't know if there's a map database converter
23:40 heman_ I have a funny feeling they won't work together, but our director wants to use MInetest. Which looks fine, but won't meet the standards required.
23:40 asl97 heman_: the saves aren't compatible, there are converter for maps but there are plenty of nodes not available in minetest
23:41 Hirato there are mods, maybe just grab VanessaE's dreamworld thing
23:41 Volkj https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6007
23:42 heman_ Nice. But that converts Minecraft to Minetest.
23:42 heman_ Is their a tool to convert the other way?
23:43 asl97 heman_: you should ask the minecraft community
23:43 heman_ I'll see about that. Thanks for the help!
23:43 asl97 i highly doubt there is much people converting minetest map into minecraft map
23:44 asl97 in a minetest community
23:44 heman_ Appreciate the help either way.
23:44 heman_ Thanks!
23:44 Volkj but even in minecraft communities i doubt someone considers minetest
23:44 asl97 ^
23:45 heman_ OK.
23:45 Volkj seems there's a #minecraft channel
23:46 Hirato not to mention, minecraft has a much smaller worldspace
23:46 Hirato particularly around the vertica
23:46 asl97 Hirato: only around the vertical
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23:48 Mr_Narfh anyone know the link for 3d amor od?
23:48 KaadmY that's odd
23:48 KaadmY Hirato: horizontal is far, far larger than MT's
23:49 asl97 Mr_Narfh: you can always do a quick search on github https://github.com/search?utf8=%​E2%9C%93&q=3d+armor+minetest
23:49 asl97 there are two repo
23:49 Mr_Narfh ok thanks dude

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