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00:00 Fixer cool && I go sleep && gn
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00:40 AlyssaVahlberg where do i find digital concepts server thingy
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00:50 AlyssaVahlberg what is #minetest-general and how do i join?
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01:15 botch Hello, I'm needing help if possible downloading the new Minetest 0.4.14
01:18 electrodude512 what OS?
01:22 botch Windows 10
01:24 botch My question is the "portable" and "installer" options, both being 64 bit and my system also being a 64 bit.
01:24 botch Does it matter which one to use?
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01:29 botch Hi DMac-Garage
01:31 KaadmY botch: installer puts all the data/executables in global folders, while portable never touchs files outside the unzip folder
01:32 botch For a layman like myself, on a laptop *cough* PC, I just use Minetest here, would I be best off using the portable version?
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01:33 electrodude512 it doesn't really matter
01:33 KaadmY they both should be identical by performance etc
01:34 botch Gotcha.  I'll pick which ever is first on the list  ;)  I appreciate the info, thank you
01:35 electrodude512 I prefer the portable one, because it's all in one non-system directory
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01:51 botch I just downloaded it, and extracted it to a seperate games folder I have.  Norton Security Suite shortly there-after deleted a bunch of the .dll files as well as the .exe file directly.
01:52 botch Round two to attempt download.....
01:52 botch ....freakin Windows....
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04:06 paramat hi sofar https://github.com/PilzAdam/nether/pull/17
04:07 FreeFull Anti-virus false positives are fun
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04:41 JohnWD Hm. anyone Know how I can get a vHost on Freenode?
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10:38 IhrFussel VERY IMPORTANT: My server has a plague: Many players earlier logged on and used the "send message as 2nd line and type it like another player said it" in VERY BAD WAYS... i really need a Lua regex that matches those chars they use... i'm guessing they use either a lot of spaces or somehow can enter a new line
10:40 sfan5 can't you figure that out yourself?
10:42 IhrFussel sfan5, i have no idea how Lua regex works... also i don't know whether i can tell Lua to only match when there are X spaces or new line
10:42 IhrFussel I only see the + modifier..it means 1 or more
10:43 sfan5 don't you have an example chat line?
10:43 sfan5 or are those not in the log?
10:45 IhrFussel I see it...
10:46 IhrFussel 2016-05-28 14:31:23: ACTION[Server]: CHAT: <malaka>
10:46 ElectronLibre Oh, an exploit with the chat, interesting
10:46 IhrFussel Next line 2016-05-28 14:31:23: ACTION[Server]:                                          spaces until here
10:47 ElectronLibre IhrFussel: Add a callback for chat message, and strip out any line return you may find in the message's string, then send it to everyone like you were the server (with core.chat_send_all) and block the engine's response by returning true from your function.
10:48 IhrFussel ElectronLibre, is there a simple regex to match for example 20 spaces?
10:49 ElectronLibre I think so, maybe, I don't do regexes.
10:49 ElectronLibre But you can find any message with more than three spaces and remove them
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10:49 IhrFussel Yeah the problem is i only know about the + modofier..it even matches 1 space
10:50 ElectronLibre For example if you find more than 5 consequent spaces in a message, you can kick/ban, or block the message
10:50 ElectronLibre IhrFussel: Use string.find if you're not familiar with regexes
10:51 IhrFussel That's an idea... do i have to use the new callback method or can i just use string.find() inside register_on_chat_message()?
10:53 ElectronLibre I don't know what new callback method you are refering to, but register_on_chat_message is fine
10:53 ElectronLibre Just remember to block the engine's response, which might, sadly, block other mods using that callback
10:54 ElectronLibre If you have other mods which use that callback, you can create your own little mod and put them as dependencies of that mod so that those other callbacks, registered before your own one, will be executed before your own one, and thus not blocked
10:54 IhrFussel I was referring to this "Add a callback for chat message, and strip out any line return you may find in the message's string, then send it to everyone like you were the server (with core.chat_send_all)" ... i could maybe just use it on the fly and return true which doesn't send the message to the others
10:55 ElectronLibre Oh, you do that with a function registered with on_chat_message
10:55 ElectronLibre And that's exactly what I was writing about with "blocking the engine", returning true
10:55 * ElectronLibre has gotta go for a while; brb
11:07 IhrFussel ElectronLibre, thanks a lot i think it works..at least for now =)
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11:18 FirePowi Hi everyone.
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11:24 * cheapie now has working "smoke detectors" (well, fire:basic_flame detectors) in his fire alarm mod
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13:13 Birgit Hi, do you know if there is a administration-tool for minetest-server via browser, that I can start/stop the server via smartphone and see logs?
13:14 Fixer dunno, but i think you can install program to ssh on your server and do anything you want
13:16 Birgit hey ... that would be nice ;-)
13:16 Birgit specially some scripts would be nice, like backups or an automatic restart would be nice.
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13:17 Birgit may be it wouldn't be very difficult to create a php-Page with some buttons to give some simple commands
13:19 Birgit I'll post this idea to to forum, if someone has enough knowledge to do that
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13:38 ElectronLibre Birgit: You can pass the argument "--terminal" if you compiled minetestserver with ncurse to get an interactive terminal
13:39 ElectronLibre You'll be able to execute chatcommands as the administrator, as well as monitor the logs and the chat
13:41 Birgit and you can access it via bowser? ... ah ... you are faster
13:41 Birgit so, I can do everything inside the game
13:42 Birgit but if the minetest-server is nor running, I can't use it.
13:43 ElectronLibre Well, no, because it's a console run by minetest-server
13:48 Birgit yes ... I would prefere that it is independant
13:49 ElectronLibre I don't think such a tool could exist given Minetest's current design
13:51 Birgit but wouldn't it be possible to give commands to a server with a Button?
13:52 everamzah you could use minetestserver --terminal inside tmux/screen, and ssh to it using a browser terminal or phone app terminal
14:11 Birgit Okay ... thanks for this information. I opened a thread in the Forum. May be someone is searching for an idea that he can realize. ;-)
14:12 Birgit Minetest would be really a nice tool to use it in school, but most teacher don't have the knowledge and even more to time to learn all the things!
14:13 Birgit -> thinks
14:13 Birgit no
14:15 Megaf so a guy just kicked me from a channel, because my behavior wasn't appropriate for the channel, what behavior you may ask, I was, according to him, idling, and he don't want people idling in his channel. (I was the only one that joined the channel, so basically there is no one to talk to, and if he kicks people waiting for people, well, I don;t know what he wants to achieve.)
14:24 Calinou we at #kobuge once kicked idlers :P
14:24 Calinou it brought down the user count by quite a bit
14:25 Megaf yep, most people most of the time in most of the channels are mostly idling.
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14:38 CWz Just like in TF2 back in the day
14:42 ElectronLibre I'm impressed that about a third of all fixes I need to make on MFF's servers are callbacks from different mods blocking each other's systems
14:43 ElectronLibre s/impressed/annoyed/
14:45 ElectronLibre *are about callbacks ; I'm too crossed to even write correctly
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15:45 Out`Of`Control Megaf:  lol, next time flood in that channel
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15:50 Out`Of`Control anyone know that cause too many entities?
15:51 Megaf Out`Of`Control, he banned me...
15:51 Megaf after kicking
15:51 Out`Of`Control crazy
15:52 CWz who did
15:57 Out`Of`Control ServerEnv: Trying to store id=273 statically but block (60,-1936,-26) already contains 37542 objects. Forcing delete.
15:58 Out`Of`Control could mobs mod cause that?
16:04 Megaf sure
16:04 Megaf anything that spawns anything
16:04 Megaf CWz, his names is erasmus
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16:18 CWz erasmus sounds like a name a jerk would use
16:18 CWz jk
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16:20 Megaf lol
16:26 CWz "Congratulations to: TumeniNodes (47), ucuhyjizy (36), ogyjo (36), uqijug (36), awyty (36), ecoja (36), imaxeluk (36), ypifuwevu (36), acicequd (36), esykymywe (36), ukonyte (36), philiins (34)"I smell spam accounts
16:27 Calinou we should clear accounts which have 0 posts since a month automatically… :/
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16:41 Longor Hi.
16:45 Megaf Calinou, my account would be cleared in that case
16:45 Megaf !server Megaf
16:45 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 2/5, 0/2 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 7ms
16:46 Calinou Megaf: I mean, accounts which have no posts, and never had any, for a month
16:46 Calinou sounds reasonable to me
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16:54 Megaf oh, that yes
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18:07 KaadmY !server pixture
18:07 MinetestBot KaadmY: pixture | pixture.quelcom.xyz | Clients: 1/10, 0/2 | Version: 0.4.14 / pixture | Ping: 15ms
18:10 Void7 !server pixel
18:10 MinetestBot Void7: [*]THE PIXEL SHADOW[*] CREATIVE | servers.minetest.tv | Clients: 5/50, 2/5 | Version: 0.4.14-dev / thepixelshadow_game | Ping: 113ms
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20:28 ElectronLibre Somehow closing the terminal after detaching the screen running my client kills said client.
20:29 ElectronLibre Between that and MT's blocking callbacks (and a mayhem of other software issues).. I think I'll start hating sundays instead of mondays.
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20:58 IhrFussel Will this manipulate the chat message on thze fly when inside register_on_chat_message() ? "if string.len(message) >= 500 then message = string.sub(message, 1, 500).." ...." end"
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21:01 IhrFussel Fixer, do you happen to know whether we can manipulate a chat message directly inside the callback? I mean not just block the whole message but manipulate its content
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21:02 Fixer don't know :)
21:05 IhrFussel Hm I'll just create a new var with the manipulated content then send a new minetest.chat_send_all() and block the original
21:08 Megaf man, look at this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9dXEgjz9vc
21:08 Megaf but this version has a fantastic sound quality, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf_U3AZS4nY
21:08 Megaf !title
21:08 MinetestBot Megaf: KAREN SOUZA - Creep (vinyl) - YouTube
21:26 Fixer damn
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21:35 Megaf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fobVo_497Ww
21:35 Megaf !title
21:35 MinetestBot Megaf: Guns N' Roses LP - Sweet Child O' Mine - YouTube
21:35 Megaf :)
21:35 Megaf Listening to this with a headphone with a wide frequence range response and 40mm driver is fantastic
21:37 Megaf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqgfilVbQAQ
21:38 Megaf !title
21:38 MinetestBot Megaf: Metallica - Nothing Else Matters - YouTube
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21:48 GnomeKris dang...It's been a while since I've played...I wonder how out of date I am.
21:49 Out`Of`Control any mod to delete user, while game is running?
21:50 Out`Of`Control only from auth.txt
21:50 GnomeKris do you mean on a server?
21:50 Out`Of`Control GnomeKris:  yes from server
21:50 GnomeKris If you are a mod of the server, there are a few server commands to remove and possibly block users from your server.
21:51 Out`Of`Control GnomeKris: can you link me to it?
21:51 GnomeKris https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;​q=&amp;esrc=s&amp;source=web&amp;cd=1&amp;cad=​rja&amp;uact=8&amp;ved=0ahUKEwjmqN-cooDNAhXBQC​YKHWlSBJ8QFggcMAA&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.mi​netest.com%2Fwiki%2FServer_commands&amp;usg=AF​QjCNHutkzkBgsOqS5_VHXGAXf0ojKLiQ&amp;sig2=trsh​TXHFvAqJn3Dl64OZzw&amp;bvm=bv.123325700,d.eWE
21:51 Out`Of`Control GnomeKris:  not ban, just delete from auth.txt
21:51 GnomeKris ....
21:51 GnomeKris I almost sent you a lmgtfy link
21:52 GnomeKris http://lmgtfy.com/?q=minetest+server+commands
21:52 Out`Of`Control google love you
21:53 GnomeKris http://bfy.tw/60eh
21:53 Out`Of`Control i don't see it
21:53 Out`Of`Control delete player from auth.txt
21:54 vktec Out`Of`Control: Why not just edit auth.txt?
21:54 Out`Of`Control vktec: while game is running?
21:54 vktec I don't see why not
21:54 GnomeKris sure, why not?
21:55 GnomeKris running on linux Out`Of`Control
21:55 GnomeKris ???
21:55 Out`Of`Control GnomeKris: debian
21:56 Out`Of`Control gnu/linux
21:56 GnomeKris open terminal and use sudo to open auth.txt in your favorite text editor like "sudo gedit /path/to/auth.txt"
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21:56 GnomeKris edit, save, close
21:56 GnomeKris done
21:56 Out`Of`Control what if new player join while i edite?
21:56 GnomeKris might kick them, might not. who knows.
21:56 vktec Better yet
21:57 vktec cat auth.txt|grep -v 'name_of_player' >auth.txt
21:57 GnomeKris ah, cat works well. I'm just thinking a gui is simpler.
21:57 Out`Of`Control server has no gui
21:58 vktec Then go with my command
21:58 GnomeKris Well, there you go then.
22:00 Out`Of`Control ty
22:01 swift110 hey all
22:01 swift110 about to install some mods
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22:16 GnomeKris using the directions from the github to build minetest...I get cmake errors
22:16 GnomeKris http://pastebin.com/zZMvn69t
22:21 Out`Of`Control GnomeKris vktec you can not edite auth.txt while game runs, as its loaded
22:21 Out`Of`Control good that i made a backup
22:21 vktec Out`Of`Control: Ah, okay
22:29 GnomeKris hmmm....
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22:38 Fixer FEEL THE BUG
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23:11 Glorfindel !server xanadu
23:11 MinetestBot Glorfindel: No results
23:15 Glorfindel !help server
23:15 MinetestBot https://github.com/sfan5/minetestb​ot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
23:15 Glorfindel eyeroooooll
23:15 GnomeKris What do these cmake errors mean?
23:16 GnomeKris http://pastebin.com/n3V9791s
23:16 GnomeKris !xanadu
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23:16 GnomeKris ha, that didn't work.
23:19 GnomeKris do I need sudo when using cmake?
23:21 LazyJ GnomeKris, what flavor of Linux are you using?
23:26 GnomeKris Ubuntu Gnome 14.04
23:26 GnomeKris tried sudo cmake...no change
23:28 LazyJ Did you run the full "sudo apt-get install..." that is in the README.txt file?
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23:30 LazyJ Also run Synaptic and install luajit and it's "-dev" files.
23:31 Glorfindel !server Xanadu
23:31 MinetestBot Glorfindel: No results
23:32 LazyJ And just for good measure, after installing all the libraries, reboot your system to make sure things are settled in solidly.
23:32 GnomeKris I missed a few of the libraries...oops.
23:32 GnomeKris lemme get those installed and I'll get back to you.
23:32 Glorfindel joining new servers is so much work ;(
23:33 Glorfindel takes forever to download the media on my poky network
23:33 LazyJ I recommend compiling with RUN_IN_PLACE, it keeps Minetest and all its mods, textures, and worlds under one directory - easier to fiddle with stuff and you'll have to do that with Minetest eventually.
23:35 GnomeKris Yeah, I used "cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=TRUE" as suggested by the github.
23:36 GnomeKris It spat out errors after installing the libraries, so I deleted the error log file and tried again in order to pinpoint the errors...got a success on the next try
23:40 LazyJ I download the zipped versions from GitHub, extract, and compile. If I fubar the compile, I delete and re-extract just to make sure I'm starting with a clean slate.
23:41 LazyJ The Cmake I use has more in it:
23:41 LazyJ
23:41 LazyJ cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 -DBUILD_CLIENT=1 -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=RelWithDebInfo -DENABLE_CURL=ON -DENABLE_FREETYPE=ON -DENABLE_GETTEXT=1 -DENABLE_GLES=1 -DENABLE_LUAJIT=1 -DENABLE_SOUND=ON -DENABLE_SPATIAL=1 -DENABLE_SYSTEM_GMP=1
23:42 LazyJ
23:43 LazyJ I'm running Linux Mint 17.3 which is based on Ubuntu 14.04 so things *should* be (fingers crossed) similar to your OS.
23:43 LazyJ
23:44 GnomeKris What are each of those options you have specified in your cmake?
23:44 Sokomine hi
23:44 Sokomine how can i get rid of protection_bypass in singleplayer?
23:44 LazyJ They are listed in the README.txt a bit farther down from the "sudo apt-get install..." part.
23:44 GnomeKris I've already passed the make command and I'm at about 30%. So I'd have to wait till it completes before I could even think about starting over
23:45 LazyJ GnomeKris, if you have more than one core on your machine, use a higher "make -j<number>".
23:45 LazyJ 2 less than the number of cores you have.
23:46 LazyJ So if you have 8 cores, use "make -j6" and the compile will go much faster.
23:46 GnomeKris I don't even remember how many cores my processor has...pretty sure it's four.
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23:46 GnomeKris but, if it's just to speed things up, then I don't mind.
23:46 LazyJ I shut down all heavy programs when I run that (no YouTube, no games, nothing more intense than reading the news in my web browser).
23:47 LazyJ The j number only speeds up the compiling process, no affect on the actual game performance.
23:47 GnomeKris Yeah, I have this, steam, chrome, terminal running make, and gedit reading the readme.txt...
23:48 GnomeKris Not even lagging right now.
23:48 GnomeKris But, I didn't specify any -j options in make, so it's most likely using minimal cores
23:48 afflatus Get rid of it Sokomine? you mean disable it?
23:49 Sokomine afflatus: yes. i'm trying to test something protection-related. which is where the bypass is very...unhelpful
23:50 afflatus Ah ok. I'm trying to remember if it was configurable
23:51 afflatus wait
23:51 Fixer Sokomine: why???
23:51 Fixer Sokomine: ah
23:51 Sokomine Fixer: how am i to test protection (and work with it) if it's disabled due to the override?
23:52 afflatus /revoke singleplayer protection_bypass
23:52 GnomeKris all done. and it runs fine...now to remember how to create an icon for it in my apps list
23:52 sofar Sokomine: favorite of mine: second player that doesn't have permissions
23:52 Sokomine afflatus: that does not seem to work
23:53 Sokomine hmmmm
23:53 sofar don't use singleplayer
23:54 afflatus I've got a hunch about protection, particularly shared protection in multiplayer
23:54 Sokomine doesn't even seem to work if i select another player?
23:54 afflatus We keep getting these 'bermuda triangle' areas
23:55 sofar Sokomine: did you log in with 2 users at the same time?
23:55 Sokomine no. just one
23:55 sofar if you start a server from the gui, the first user gets ALL permissions
23:55 sofar so you need to start with minetestserver, or connect a second client
23:56 Sokomine hmm. and a player who wants to have a nice little survival game on his local machine basically can't?
23:56 GnomeKris does anyone know if Xanadu is still operational?
23:56 afflatus It's down right now
23:56 sofar Sokomine: I didn't invent that, I think it's weird as well
23:57 afflatus tbut generally still operational
23:57 GnomeKris thanks afflatus
23:57 Sokomine other privs are less problematic. at least you can stop flying if you don#t want to
23:57 Out`Of`Control Sokomine:  grant yourself all privs?
23:57 Sokomine Out`Of`Control: well, the trouble is that there's one priv i can't get rid of which interferes with my work
23:58 Out`Of`Control LazyJ:  1 means No or Yes?
23:59 afflatus 1 is usually true
23:59 Out`Of`Control Sokomine: creative?
23:59 LazyJ Out`Of`Control, not sure. The "0/1" option always confuses me so I have to look it up.
23:59 sofar Sokomine: only reason I know this ... I've bumped into exactly the same problem myself
23:59 Out`Of`Control afflatus:  i see thanks
23:59 Out`Of`Control LazyJ:  same here

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