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00:08 LILLY-IRC_ LILLY IS BACK
00:08 LILLY-IRC_ Mwhahaha I mean hi! :D
00:12 Miner_48er hi
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03:08 Yst So much for LILLY being back.
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05:26 paramat !tell nanovad you can customise the new 'flat' core mapgen to do that. disable caves, dungeons and decorations with 'mgflags'. set ground level to 1 with 'mgflat_ground_level'. define a biome with 'depth top' and 'depth filler' zero and 'node stone' set to your chosen node. see end of minetest.conf.example
05:26 MinetestBot paramat: I'll pass that on when nanovad is around
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13:05 germanuel24 Higher resolution textures don't change the node sizes in game right? Just the size of the node pixels
13:05 jin_xi yes
13:08 Calinou yes, thus pixels become smaller, indirectly
13:09 Krock no, the nodes get bigger but you do too
13:09 Krock so you don't notice anything
13:10 Krock everything's bigger but it looks normal to you
13:10 Krock </kidding>
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13:12 Fixer i need that guy with table asci here now
13:12 Krock with an ASCII table?!
13:12 germanuel24 Lol xD no I'm asking cause a player said "texture pack looks like sh** cause everything is so big" and I'm like "huh? just 16 more pixels per node"
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13:13 Zeno` ASCII tables are very rare
13:13 Krock not 16 pixels
13:13 Krock from 16*16 to 32*32 it's 4x more
13:14 germanuel24 Yeah i mean 16 more per side
13:14 Krock and I'm no more. Bye
13:14 Fixer (o/_o)/_|__|_
13:14 Fixer this one
13:17 Fixer ok, looks like winupdate stopped using entire CPU#1 right now, *places table back up*
13:17 Calinou (ノಥ益ಥ)ノ ┻━┻
13:18 Calinou (Compose + "tf" with WinCompose)
13:19 Fixer btw, who is the author of this bullshit? https://i.imgur.com/Sp1nasj.png
13:19 Fixer black on blue background? no wonder i hate gtk so much
13:20 Fixer and they "can't into" good aligned text in menues, seriously it is not 1980 :/
13:20 Calinou don't use Windows Classic/XP :P
13:20 Fixer Calinou, that was even before that metro/aero thing
13:21 Fixer no wonder so many people avoid gtk, looks like shit :/
13:21 Calinou Qt 5 is great :)
13:21 Fixer :}
13:21 Calinou heavy but nice
13:21 Calinou (sources are over 500 MB to download, IIRC)
13:21 Calinou and Qt installed on Windows takes 5+ GB
13:21 Calinou 110 GB left out of 465 GB on my SSD...
13:21 Fixer gtk feels like bunch of libs you don't know from what side to approach
13:22 Fixer qt is solid thing
13:22 Zeno` Qt is awesome
13:22 Calinou I'm learning C++/Qt 5 these days
13:22 Calinou I eventually want to get into desktop application development :P
13:22 Fixer my learn list: python, c++(qt), lua
13:22 Calinou which we don't learn at uni
13:22 Calinou we do PHP at uni, and Node.js in 4th semester
13:24 Fixer Calinou, new gtk3 now uses adwaita theme even on windows iirc, but few programz use it anyway
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13:25 Calinou GTK+3 had to wait 2013 to get on Windows, even though it was released in 2011, I think
13:25 Calinou 2 years without Windows support, seriously...
13:25 Fixer gtk3 is strange, looks like they are polishing it, but i have feeling that they are polishing a dead thing
13:25 Calinou Qt can't think about that
13:26 Fixer biggest problem was qt3 to qt4
13:26 Zeno` not really
13:27 Zeno` the problem was KDE4
13:27 Zeno` qt itself was fine
13:28 Fixer i mean qt3 programs that some distros dropped :/
13:29 Calinou I know a Qt 3 program called Capitalism, that let you play Monopoly online
13:29 Calinou :p
13:29 Fixer migrate it to Qt4 *cough*
13:30 Fixer only Monopoly i have is DOS one
13:35 Fixer Calinou, btw, your moreblocks mod does not support cutting quartz (another mod)
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13:40 germanuel24 Are wool nodes supposed to turn into dirt ones if they are sorrounded by those? I'm experiencing a VERY weird bug right now... i place a wool node and after 30-60 seconds it turns to dirt
13:43 germanuel24 Or is this intended??
13:43 MinetestBot [git] Ekdohibs -> minetest/minetest: Fix mainmenu code downloading the public serverlist twice. 2177f30 https://git.io/vw4VJ (2016-04-22T23:39:54+10:00)
13:43 Preuk germanuel24: I see no ABM on wool from minetest_game; using any mod?
13:44 germanuel24 I use lots of mods... but i think it only happens since i uninstalled stable and compiled dev
13:45 germanuel24 Mods are the same just pasted them
13:47 Preuk https://github.com/minetest/​minetest_game/search?q=wool
13:49 germanuel24 I'm testing...now it didn't happen... 4 x white wool sorrounded by dirt_with_grass
13:50 germanuel24 But it DOES happen if it's dirt without grass
13:51 germanuel24 Then it turns everything into dirt even empty spots
13:52 germanuel24 Now i removed 6 x dirt_with_grass...wonder if it fills itself again after a minute
13:53 Fixer O___o
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13:54 Preuk germanuel24: try on new world without any mod
13:54 germanuel24 Result: Nope it's still empty
13:55 germanuel24 Why would it be the mod's fault if it only happens since the dev?
13:56 germanuel24 My guess is someone adjusted the dirt ABM or something
13:56 Fixer yes
13:56 Fixer it was changed week ago or so
13:56 germanuel24 Who thought that turning wool into dirt would make sense??
13:56 Fixer try clean minetest
13:57 Fixer without mods
13:57 Fixer i'm still waiting for wool conversion
13:57 germanuel24 It doesn't happen with sand so it must be the engine
13:58 Fixer germanuel24, what dev vesion of minetest?
13:58 germanuel24 I compiled it 2 days ago from git
13:58 Fixer i still have yellow wool
13:59 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/HeREfob.png
13:59 germanuel24 Try with white wool and first remove dirt_with_grass somewhere then place white wool inside the empty spaces and wait a minute
13:59 Fixer at day or night?
13:59 germanuel24 I noticed at day
14:00 Preuk germanuel24: did you try on a new world without any mod active?
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14:01 germanuel24 Asd soon as i place white wool next to the sand block inside empty dirts it happens again... no i cannot try now cause it's on my public server...or how can i run 2 instancles of MT at the same time?
14:02 germanuel24 Just open in another terminal window and choose singleplayer?
14:03 Preuk i guess so, but I never tried multi-instance... you're hosting on windows?
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14:09 Fixer my wools are fine at the moment
14:09 Fixer testing more
14:12 Preuk is there any way to show currently registered abm?
14:13 germanuel24 You're right...when my next question: How can a mod suddenly change the dirt ABM between stable/dev releases?
14:13 germanuel24 then*
14:15 germanuel24 Or: How do i find out which mod causes it? Is there a certain grep keyword i can use on the mod folder?
14:16 Preuk in your mt directory :
14:16 Preuk find . -name "*.lua" -type f -exec grep -l register_abm \{\} \;
14:17 Preuk (linux, unix, cygwin, whatever as long as it's remotly posix-compliant)
14:18 Preuk it could be something a bit more subtile, like wool getting added to "leaf_decay" group
14:24 Fixer germanuel24, can;t reproduce
14:25 germanuel24 Fixer, I tested it in singleplayer and it didn't happen so I'm looking now at the mod files BUT like i said: Between MT stable and dev the mods themselves did NOT change one bit so i don't understand how they suddenly can add a new feature
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14:26 Preuk maybe an abm was added to a group wool was in, maybe wool was added in a group where there is an abm on ... there are a lot of ways a small change in default game could lead to this kind of trouble with mods redefining default (or very common) nodes
14:27 germanuel24 The only mods that changed are the default ones..the others i copied before uninstalling stable and pasted them into dev world folder
14:27 Preuk you say you compiler from git 2 days ago; what was the previous version you had?
14:27 germanuel24 0.4.13 stable from PPA
14:27 Preuk went from stable to latest dev overnight?
14:28 germanuel24 Yes from stable to April 2016
14:28 Preuk ok, then good luck finding the "minor change" in 9 month worth of dev
14:28 Preuk could be anything
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14:29 Preuk 4.0.13 : Aug 20, 2015 · 204 commits to master since this tag
14:30 Preuk did you update your mods in the process?
14:30 germanuel24 No the mods are from stable version i was told that all of them should work 100% in dev
14:31 germanuel24 I do get a few deprecated warnings on startup but deprecated means the functions are still in and work just aren't recommended anymore
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14:32 Preuk did you check the release thread/repository/whatever for mods you're using? maybe some of them have released again to be compliant with latest dev
14:34 germanuel24 I have about 40 mods installed...do you know how much time that would take to check each mod thread/github for new releases?
14:35 germanuel24 Lots of hours I'm guessing
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14:36 Fixer most of them are on github, you can create separate mods directory, write bash script that will check all of them automatically and update if any updates are available
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14:38 germanuel24 Fixer, you mean an array that contains each URL and then a for loop that loops through them and executes the git command?
14:38 Fixer yes
14:39 germanuel24 How do i loop through arrays? I only know how to loop through files
14:41 Preuk germanuel24: "how much time that would take"? keep cool, we're trying to help you; btw you're hosting a server, that's part of the job
14:45 germanuel24 Preuk, I didn't mean to sound rude, sorry if i did...I appreciate your help just I'm a bit mad cause someone in here was very confident about "all mods will work with dev"
14:50 Fixer germanuel24, there are lots of tutorials about programming bash scripts
14:55 Preuk germanuel24: it's ok, i just mean hosting any service comes with this kind of thing to manage
14:55 Preuk as for the "compatibility" it's technicaly true ...
14:56 Preuk just some unexpected behaviour linked to minor changes from core, default, and an unspecified number of mods (about 40, that cna be a lot of conflict)
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14:57 Preuk if you can take your server offline for a few hours, i suggest you backup the whole MT stuff, run a new world with say half of mods disabled and so on until you find the one causing problems
14:58 Preuk or duplicate your game/mods config on your PC and try to run it singleplayer
14:59 germanuel24 The singleplayer idea would be better i think... it definitely is about leaves_decay cause it's random and only happens on nodes that do not have grass on them... if i place wool on any black that's not pure dirt it doesn't ever change
14:59 germanuel24 block*
15:00 Preuk yep, 'cause abm is registered on decay_leave group with neightboring defult:dirt
15:01 Preuk what you could do is trying to add yet another mod to load late (i think it could work with a "zzz" name) and redefine wool to not belong to leave_decay if that's the problem
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15:06 germanuel24 Preuk, WHAT THE..it happens even without wool... the dirt regenerates itself as soon as one gets grassy
15:06 Preuk well that's a mod
15:07 Preuk search for default:dirt in your mods maybe
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15:12 germanuel24 Preuk, the mobds mod contains lots of spawns on dirt/dirt_with_grass...I'll now copy all except for that one and test it in singleplayer
15:12 germanuel24 mobs*
15:15 Preuk what is the "official" page/repo for this mod? i'll take a look
15:15 germanuel24 I don't have the URL right now it's the Mobs Redo one...first or second result in Google
15:16 Preuk ok thanks
15:17 Preuk aha they have sheeps... wool is probably altered in there
15:19 germanuel24 Sheep, NPCs, pumbas were all shown in grep
15:20 Preuk hum, quickly looked at mod code, seems not to be related
15:21 Preuk could you zip/upload your mods directory somewhere? would be easier to find out what's wrong
15:21 germanuel24 But i can only definitely be caused by an ABM right?
15:21 germanuel24 So mods without any ABMs are uninteresting
15:23 germanuel24 I loaded it up now in singleplayer...doesn't happen without mobds mod but just to make sure i will install it now and see if it happens
15:23 Preuk it might not be due to a "bad" abm
15:24 Preuk it might because by wool or dirt ending up in a group that has an abm
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15:31 germanuel24 Preuk, Now none of the dirt becomes grassy
15:32 Preuk well, if you know which mod (and version !) is involved, we can try to fix this
15:33 germanuel24 Nvm it just took ~ 2 minutes until 1 dirt node became grassy after i removed 30
15:33 germanuel24 But the bug didn't happen...I'm lost
15:34 Preuk you removed a mod, right? which one? which version (or at least, when did you install it)?
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15:35 germanuel24 No look: I copied the mods from the world where the bug happens into the singleplayer world and first removed the mobs one...no bug..then i added the mobs one but still no bug
15:36 Preuk :)
15:36 Preuk loading order issue maybe
15:38 germanuel24 Well i excluded some mods from the other buggy world cause they only add chat commands/privs and stuff like register_on_join/leave/dieplayer
15:38 germanuel24 I'll add those too
15:38 Preuk are you on the exact same MT version on your server and your singleplayer test?
15:39 Preuk there there a few changes related to dirt ABM on april 18th
15:39 germanuel24 Yes the server is now on and i opened a 2nd MT window
15:39 Preuk ok
15:39 Preuk weird
15:46 germanuel24 Preuk, I tried it now in the buggy world at another spot...i noticed that the dirt nodes ALL become instantly grassy at the same time... that is not the way it should work right?
15:46 Preuk i guess not :)
15:49 germanuel24 If there is a wool node inside the digged area the nodes become grassy one-by-one...if there is just air between them they all become grassy
15:53 Preuk i'm afraid i'm out of options
15:54 Preuk unless you try to re-enable each mod bit by bit to find out what went wrong...
15:58 Preuk gotta go
15:58 Preuk but mobs redo repo was fully rebuilt on april 15th, couldn't find older code so no luck
16:00 Calinou any lightweight Qt notepad that works on Windows? (like Geany or Notepad++ but using Qt)
16:04 Calinou it's not Qt but it looks OK: http://foicica.com/textadept/
16:08 Fixer why exactly qt one?
16:08 jin_xi hey its even done in lua
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16:30 Zeno` Calinou, https://kate-editor.org/get-it/
16:30 Calinou yeah but KDE on Windows is clunky
16:30 Calinou also that's KDE 4 - old stuff by now :)
16:30 Calinou Fixer: to be consistent with other apps as much as possible :)
16:30 Zeno` kate is great though hehe
16:30 Calinou but still cross-platform
16:30 Calinou (that's why I don't like Notepad++)
16:31 Zeno` kate is KDE 5 now btw
16:31 Zeno` "To build Kate from git, you need a recent KF5 frameworks installed. Further,"
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16:31 Calinou yes but KDE on Windows is stuck at KDE 4
16:31 Zeno` oh is it
16:31 Zeno` that's a shame
16:32 Calinou it appears to be, from my quick reading
16:34 CWz hey Zeno
16:35 Zeno` hi CWz
16:35 Zeno` tbh I use notepad++ on windows heh
16:36 CWz Zeno`, How are ya sir
16:42 Krock np++ is the best editor for Win IMO
16:46 CWz +1
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16:51 Calinou yeah but I want cross-platform stuff as much as possible
16:51 Calinou also Notepad++ is rather ugly
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16:54 Krock the simplyness is the good thing about it
16:56 electrodude512 sofar: my digiline filter-injector PR for pipeworks is ready for merge: https://github.com/minetes​t-mods/pipeworks/pull/128
16:57 electrodude512 it still doesn't do anything on mesecons or punch, but I can't think of anything useful to make it do on mesecons or punch
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19:23 sfan5 https://twitter.com/_tomcc​/status/723510927044272129
19:23 sfan5 amateurs
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19:24 aix hello
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19:26 Krock hi
19:27 fireglow ey
19:27 Krock sfan5, yeah. why the hell 512?
19:27 Krock if doing it correctly, then with 65536 in total
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19:40 aix Krock: do you have a server
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19:40 aix or ever had
19:40 Krock I had.
19:40 aix What was it called?
19:41 Krock "Krock's Ultimative Platform" and a testing server with no real name
19:41 aix hm
19:41 aix who's "Diego Martinez" ?
19:41 Krock kaeza
19:41 aix I was told he would be here
19:41 aix ah
19:41 aix ~seen kaeza
19:41 ShadowBot aix: I saw kaeza in #minetest 2 weeks, 0 days, 22 hours, 5 minutes, and 35 seconds ago saying "greetings"
19:42 aix more like farewell
19:42 aix Ronsor`: oh hey ronsor
19:42 aix how's your quest for an irc network going
19:43 Krock I doubt he's active right now
19:43 aix eh
19:44 alket can you plant flowers ?
19:45 Krock right click on drt
19:45 Krock *dirt
19:49 alket Krock, I mean from a seed
19:49 Krock flower seeds? err what?
20:00 Ronsor` hi aix
20:00 Ronsor` what quest for an irc network?
20:06 aix to link to
20:07 aix still talk to janice?
20:08 Ronsor` oh
20:08 Ronsor` no
20:08 Ronsor` i'm done with linking and stuf
20:09 Ronsor` too stressful
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20:12 aix alright
20:12 Ronsor` oh do you want to join my minetest server, mods: trafficlight, denaid (protection), carts, pmobs, mobs_redo, pollution (for some reason)?
20:12 cimbakahn Hello everyone!
20:13 Ronsor` hi cimbakahn
20:13 Ronsor` brb setting up ircd
20:13 cimbakahn Ok.
20:14 aix Ronsor`: yes
20:14 aix i do
20:14 Ronsor` ok
20:14 Ronsor` pm
20:14 aix just tell me the address here
20:14 Ronsor` oh
20:15 cimbakahn If anyone sees storm, please ask him to restart his server.  He put in the digilines mod, but it's not going to engage until he restarts his server.
20:18 Krock okay. Gonna listen the weather news to notify about storms.
20:20 Ronsor` lol
20:23 crazyR lol
20:26 aix lol
20:26 aix thats awful
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20:34 alket how do you spawn a mob ?
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20:36 Krock /spawnentity mob:name
20:37 Ronsor` /spawnentity mod:entity_name
20:37 Ronsor` e.g. /spawnentity mobs:dirt_monster
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21:48 Ronsor` hi
21:48 Ronsor` anyone here
21:48 Ronsor` Yst?
21:48 sfan5 nobody here
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21:51 Markow Not a soul
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21:55 Yst Greeting⎎, Ron⎎or`!
21:55 Yst Greeting⎎, Ronsor`!
22:05 sofar only a few TCP packets bouncing around, really
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22:28 electrodude512 sofar: my digiline filter-injector is done
22:29 electrodude512 I didn't make it do anything on mesecons or punch
22:37 sofar electrodude512: I saw. No time atm. Maybe later this weekend
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22:56 electrodude512 sofar: ok, thanks
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