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00:00 sofar but, linux can do that
00:00 LinuxGuy2020 right....ok
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02:51 Out`Of`Control Hi, how can i see if minetestmapper is doing anything?
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04:38 cimbakahn Does anyone know who is in charge of this server ----> buildersworld.telesight…:30003
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04:52 cimbakahn There is this minetest server.  I never see anyone here that is in charge.  People are taking blocks out of buildings, putting lava in buildings, attaching blocks on buildings....
04:52 cimbakahn Putting buildings right in front of buildings and going crazy with lava and water.
04:55 cimbakahn I believe it is all being done by 1 person (Tuba) and their friends.  They really need a white list on this server.
04:55 cimbakahn It is a creative server, not PVP.
04:57 cimbakahn I am getting tired of cleaning up all the damage.  This was a very nice world until Tuba and her friends got here.
05:24 sofar :w
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06:13 Calinou I tried building minetestmapper using VS2015, to no avail, even when including dirent.h, getoph.h and unistd.h (found from Stack Overflow :p)
06:13 Calinou also implemented usleep for db-sqlite3.cpp
06:13 Calinou but the linker has an error :(
06:13 Calinou LNK2019unresolved external symbol __imp_gdImagePng referenced in function "private: void __cdecl TileGenerator::writeImage(class std::basic_string<char,struct std::char_traits<char>,class std::allocator<char> > const &)" (?writeImage@TileGenerator@@AEAAXAEBV?$basic_string@DU?$char_traits@D@std@@V?$allocator@D@2@@std@@@Z)
06:14 Calinou (I do have libgd configured and compiled, and it's set in CMake, which doesn't complain)
06:22 Out`Of`Control Calinou: i install libgd-dev
06:23 Out`Of`Control Calinou there are many forks of mtmapper
06:23 Calinou I tried using Cygwin, but CMake doesn't like some child process and causes my Cygwin to become stuck
06:26 Out`Of`Control i compiled https://github.com/Rogier-​5/minetest-mapper-cpp.git works fine
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07:41 Calinou_ http://10fastfingers.com/speedtests/generate_scree​nshot_result/1_113_564_0_0_105_0_98.93_1744_162346
07:41 Calinou_ 113 WPM!
07:41 Calinou_ try to beat me, http://10fastfingers.com/typing-test/english
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08:04 Krock 52 WPM.. I'd be faster if that were complete sentences
08:05 Krock at least better than 3/4 of all users
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08:57 germanuel24 Can someone explain dtime to me? Does it depend on the dedicated_server_step setting? And if yes does it mean 5 seconds is 10 x dtime @ 0.5 sec steps?
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09:04 Krock the dtime in the global step function is very fast, it doesn't seem to depend on the dedicated_server_step setting
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09:08 germanuel24 So how long is 1 x dtime? Like when i do aloop and want to increase a variable each time dtime gets called
09:10 Krock dtime is the time from the last time on_globalstep was callde in seconds
09:10 Krock depending on lag/cpu it happens after 0.1ms or after 0.5s
09:11 germanuel24 Oh so it alwayws means seconds since last global_step() call? Alright
09:11 Krock yep
09:13 Calinou_ Krock, are you sure you're not running a singleplayer game?
09:13 Calinou_ globalstep is much more frequent in singleplayer, I think
09:14 Krock Calinou_, only tested in singleplayer :3
09:14 Krock no idea how it's in server mode
09:14 Calinou_ Krock, did you see my message about minetestmapper? :(
09:14 Krock where?
09:15 Calinou_ see PM
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09:22 greeter hmm, started a new local game and there's an obscene amount of resources present everywhere i've looked
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10:47 yyt16384 Does anyone know what the ABM neighbors field means?
10:47 yyt16384 Is it only 6 adjacent nodes, or all nodes in 3*3*3 area?
10:47 Calinou yyt16384, neighbors is used so that the ABM triggers only if the node is next to a neighbor node
10:47 Calinou I think it's 3x3x3 area
10:48 yyt16384 The code says it's 3*3*3, but it doesn't work in game
10:51 yyt16384 Ah, it seems that gloopblocks only turns lava into obsidian/stone when there are directly adjacent water nodes
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11:12 PilzAdam yyt16384, the ABM checks the whole 3×3×3 area, but gloopblocks does extra checks in the ABM function to ensure that there is a direct neighbor
11:13 yyt16384 Yeah, I have figured it out
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11:42 Calinou <Branes> Kodi == Krock of dingo instestines
11:42 Calinou on ##hardware :D
11:42 Krock ok.
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12:39 MinetestBot [git] SmallJoker -> minetest/minetest: mainmenu: Tidy up logic in is_server_protocol_compat() (#3997) d82c5da https://git.io/vwkYy (2016-04-15T14:37:09+02:00)
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13:03 Calinou https://duckduckgo.com/?q=​irrlicht+v3s16&amp;atb=v5
13:03 Calinou hahaha, first results are all Minetest-related
13:04 est31 thats your duck bubble
13:04 est31 oh i have it too
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13:04 est31 our bubble
13:04 Calinou DDG doesn't bubble searches
13:04 Calinou (except if you use region filtering, which I do)
13:04 est31 well there you have proof :)
13:05 est31 or, minetest is the most popular user of irrlicht
13:05 est31 thats good and bad
13:05 est31 good because its a metric where minetest ends as "most popular"
13:05 est31 bad because we are the only dudes who will ever find any bugs with it :/
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13:10 Calinou yeah, like, animation blending is still broken in Irrlicht
13:12 est31 or that you can't set an icon for your window
13:13 est31 in fact you can, but only on windows but in a very horrible way
13:13 est31 irrlicht looks for a .ico file at a hardcoded path relative from PWD or the executable file (dont know anymore)
13:13 est31 if it exists, it sets that as the icon
13:14 est31 that's not how a library should behave
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13:50 Telesight I do have a feeling that the serverlist is a little bit cheated ...
13:51 est31 agree
13:51 est31 !players most
13:51 est31 !server players most
13:51 MinetestBot est31: No results
13:51 est31 !server players:most
13:51 MinetestBot est31: World Of TNT | 80.240.216.69:30011 | Clients: 90/127, 49/109 | Version: 0.4.13.7-dev / tnt | Ping: 59ms
13:51 Calinou !server players:most
13:51 MinetestBot Calinou: World Of TNT | 80.240.216.69:30011 | Clients: 90/127, 49/109 | Version: 0.4.13.7-dev / tnt | Ping: 59ms
13:51 Calinou lol
13:52 Telesight Well I dont care what admins do
13:52 Calinou seriously, we should ban those servers on sight
13:52 est31 sfan5 can do it
13:52 Telesight TBut some are trying hard to get a working server ...
13:52 Telesight TAnd a good working serverlist helps with that ...
13:52 nrzkt 90 players is impossible in MT currently
13:53 nrzkt except if you don't have any ABM or SAO except players :p
13:53 nrzkt and many memory
13:53 sfan5 ayy lmao
13:53 Calinou you'll probably hit CPU limit way before
13:53 sfan5 they get a ban
13:53 Telesight Thank you in name of all hardworking admins ;-)
13:54 est31 i cant even connect to that server
13:54 Telesight No full ...
13:54 sfan5 https://github.com/minetest/master-server/com​mit/b3662901188fe1139603d5cf0874dcd4674a454f
13:54 sfan5 wat
13:55 Calinou that sucks
13:55 Calinou by that logic, games shouldn't have ban lists
13:55 Calinou ShadowNinja, I am disappoint...
13:56 sfan5 the argument is dumb too
13:56 sfan5 maybe i want to ban someone from the serverlist but not from my personal server
13:56 tpe Having switched from Minecraft to Minetest because of distrust in and hatred for Microsoft, it's disturbing that MC is selling 10,000 copies a day. wtf. All those kids that are addicted to it are just going to grow up to become the next generation of locked-in Microsoft customers.
13:56 sfan5 also what about people just fetching /list
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13:57 Calinou tpe, only 10,000 copies a day? ;)
13:57 Fixer tpe, no troll
13:57 Fixer triggered.png
13:57 Calinou to be honest, Minecraft isn't really locked-in right now, it's still cross-platform
13:58 Calinou most modding is still going on
13:58 Fixer and if MS locks up something, well, pirates solve everything
13:58 Fixer *cough*
13:58 tpe As a Linux gamer I was instantly concerned as to how much longer that would be the case.
13:58 Calinou unauthorized Minecraft copying is still going on, Fixer :P
13:59 tpe But for me, Minetest is thankfully giving me my fix. ;)
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13:59 Fixer Calinou, do you play MC? at least rarely? i have some question about servers community... where is it? :/
13:59 Calinou no
14:00 Calinou there is no official public server list in Minecraft... imagine the mess
14:00 Fixer i've joined few popular MC servers to look at it, and... wtf?
14:00 Fixer 40 players in survival
14:00 Calinou only 40? :)
14:00 Fixer nobody around
14:00 Fixer NOBODY
14:00 Calinou yeah, the map is huge
14:00 Fixer desert
14:00 tpe There is but one thing I miss. Chunky obviously can't render MT worlds, and never will.
14:00 Calinou so people often go far away from spawn
14:00 Fixer where is cities?
14:00 Fixer NO ROADS
14:00 Calinou Minecraft multiplayer is often singleplayer with chat
14:00 Fixer EVERYTHING GRIEFED
14:00 Calinou tpe, we lack 3D map viewers/renderers indeed
14:01 est you shouldn't pirate Minecraft. That's illegal. Rather install minetest
14:01 Fixer in minetest, you can expect city near spawn, roads, and it is easy to find staff and people
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14:01 Fixer est, and it is installed, just curious wth wrong with mc people
14:01 tpe Yeah. Wouldn't mind something along the lines of dynmap too, but I can understand why it's tricky with that lack of any realistic height limit.
14:01 sfan5 !server World Of TNT
14:01 MinetestBot sfan5: No results
14:02 Fixer maybe it is different survivals
14:02 Fixer MT has soft one, and MC hardcore one
14:02 Fixer no roads, no people %)
14:02 Fixer no cities
14:02 Fixer so strange
14:02 Fixer is it normal for MC?
14:03 Telesight What is hardcore survival ...
14:03 Preuk Fixer: vanilla server ?
14:03 Calinou no, lots of survival servers have cities
14:03 Calinou maybe Fixer means hardcore PvP
14:03 Fixer and if i found something like city... nobody is around
14:03 Calinou hardcore PvP is PvP where griefing/stealing are allowed
14:04 Fixer hard to say
14:04 Fixer Calinou, cities with actual people inside?
14:04 Calinou not sure :P probably all people who built an house in the city left the server or were banned :)
14:05 Calinou tpe, we have a LeafletJS-based map browser that a few servers have
14:05 Fixer also, found server with some "towny" mode, ok, looks like city survival, but nobody is f-ing around, and lots of grief :/
14:05 Telesight Ok then I have hardcore ..;-)
14:05 Fixer it has people, but they are million nodes away, probably
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14:05 Fixer from each other
14:05 Fixer %)
14:05 est that server is very interesting
14:06 est apparently somebody has managed to create player bots who place tnt and make it explode
14:06 Calinou I wish Minetest had lightweight mobs :/
14:06 Fixer Calinou, client-side lua!
14:06 Calinou thinking about creating such a mod, but I don't see many optimizations possible in PilzAdam's simple_mobs
14:06 Preuk public server are often lame ... only private (or at least semi-privete) servers are fun for a few weeks at most ; then everything is stale and people leave
14:06 Calinou Fixer, yes, that could move some parts to the client, like animation decision which ought to be done entirely on the client
14:07 Calinou Preuk, public Minecraft is as good as public CS: GO
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14:07 Preuk Calinou: and client-side i18n ... foudn an old ticket about it
14:07 Calinou 20% of AFK players, 40% of noobs, 20% of cheaters, 20% of players who kill the AFK players and nobody else
14:07 Preuk Calinou: dunno, only play CS 1.6 :)
14:10 Fixer Calinou, lol
14:13 serp is there a log on a server of whether mods loaded and if not any errors?
14:14 serp there is a /var/log/mintest/mintest.log but it only shows people joining/leaving
14:15 sfan5 if there's any errors minetest just exits
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14:22 Fixer your country is banned from this server
14:22 Fixer okay
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14:25 tpe Again this one might be a bit tricky (different blocks, etc.) but is there any way to reliably convert MC worlds to MT?
14:32 Krock https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=12&amp;t=6007 for simple structures
14:32 Krock https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=12&amp;t=13709 for whole maps [linux only]
14:32 Krock ^tpe
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14:38 greeter cool
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14:48 tpe Krock: Nice! I will give that a go.
14:48 Krock !nexr
14:48 Krock !next
14:48 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next!
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14:49 greeter how serious are you about that next? :-P
14:49 Krock deadly serious
14:50 greeter alright. well i just need a yes/no. i once read that it's possible to generate a map of a given world. is that correct?
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14:51 Krock yes/no
14:52 Krock what exactly do you mean? once you have a world seed it's easy to reproduce a landscape
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14:53 greeter i meant like an image file containing a scale overview map of the surface of the world
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15:01 Krock !mod image
15:01 MinetestBot Krock: Image Loader [imageloader] by kaeza - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=6751
15:01 Krock ^ greeter, something like this?
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15:16 fourthalaughs WHY WHEN I FLASH SOMEONE, IT’S LIKE I JUST BRUSHED SOMEONE’S FACE WITH A F%#! NAPKIN FROM A LITTLE KID’S BIRTHDAY PARTY, BUT WHEN I GET FLASHED, IT’S LIKE SOME BIG BROLIC BLACK DUDE NAMED F%#@ REQUIS SHOVES A F#@! BEDSHEET OVER MY HEAD AND PROCEEDS TO SKULL F@!# ME??????
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15:23 greeter Krock: i don't know. that looks more like it's for creating a portion of a world, or perhaps an entire world, from an image. i'm looking to do the reverse
15:23 Krock minetestmapper?
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15:26 Krock duh.
15:26 greeter ah alrighty then :-D
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15:29 Requis *Requis does not approve*
15:29 greeter hmm?
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15:51 greeter ah, nothing like opening a 60 meter chasm with just one box of tnt
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16:04 Preuk greeter: which mod?
16:05 greeter well i'm using a few mods, travelnets, mesecons, and mapfix
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16:33 greeter bbs, apparently i'm going somewhere
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19:36 Out`Of`Control anyone got colors.txt with columnia mod colors?
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19:39 ElectronLibre Out`Of`Control, I've got this, it was generated a while ago though, not sure if it has everything : http://zerobin.qbuissondebon.info/?8d65158ae3269​e28#1gVUEH7EAARdgcY2yykBQWxNaByWq0hG0ko7YYNgpM8=
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19:46 technics hi, is there any way to find out the very first join date of a player?
19:47 technics Out`Of`Control, good question i should check my own colors.txt...totally forgot about this
19:52 sfan5 you can generate colors.txt files btw
19:52 Out`Of`Control sfan5:  how?
19:53 Out`Of`Control sfan5:  i miss like 2k
19:53 Out`Of`Control ElectronLibre:  thank you
19:53 sfan5 Out`Of`Control: https://github.com/minetest/minetestmapp​er/blob/master/autogenerating-colors.txt
19:54 Out`Of`Control sfan5: thank you
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19:56 MinetestBot [git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetestmapper: Fix failing travis build (apt-get update missing) 464afcb https://git.io/vwI2r (2016-04-15T21:55:27+02:00)
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19:57 Out`Of`Control sfan5:  not all mods are in "minetest_game" should i add them too?
19:57 sfan5 Out`Of`Control: just set MTGAME_PATH to the path to your mods folder
19:58 Out`Of`Control sfan5: ok
19:58 ElectronLibre technics, that data should be in minetest.auth_table[playerName].. which is not even documented.
19:59 technics ElectronLibre, table? in the database? not auth.txt?
20:00 ElectronLibre The table is generated from auth.txt, and reloaded using minetest.auth_reload()
20:00 ElectronLibre That's all I know, all that I've learnt from mods which use it.
20:01 technics thanks for this really interesting information
20:01 technics will try to find out more about this
20:05 Out`Of`Control technics:  what if you look when /players/UserName was created?
20:06 technics Out`Of`Control, i didnt found a way sadly
20:07 technics date -r shows the wrong date and stat provides no informations about creation
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20:31 DoyleChris trying to increase the amount of light coming from the moreblocks glow glass.  but when i change it in the .lua it dosent change in game.
20:32 Out`Of`Control sfan5:  does it generate colors.txt when i run minetestmapper?
20:33 Out`Of`Control i can't find avgcolors.py
20:33 DoyleChris i have increased the light_source number but nothing increased
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20:42 DoyleChris How do i increase the amount of light out of a Node
20:46 DoyleChris How do i increase the amount of light out of a Node
20:46 sfan5 Out`Of`Control: the source of avgcolors.py is in the .txt file
20:47 sfan5 also have you read the instructions
20:47 Out`Of`Control last line 5 steps?
20:49 Out`Of`Control where is this mod? 2) Add the dumpnodes mod to Minetest
20:49 Krock DoyleChris, node definition: light_source = <number>,
20:50 Krock DoyleChris, going higher than default.LIGHT_MAX will have no effect
20:50 Krock and that's 14.
20:51 Out`Of`Control sfan5:  mod is in autogenerating-colors.txt?
20:55 DoyleChris i set it to 14 and no change, but i was looking at mini_sun mod and that is set to 14 and it is signaficantly brighter
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21:00 Out`Of`Control sfan5:  i figure out, will test out later ty
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21:16 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=10&amp;t=14421
21:16 Calinou alert! our shift key disappeared!
21:16 Fixer Calinou, intruder in the house
21:16 Calinou ESR said on all-smalls writing: "Alan Cox can get away with it, but you can't."
21:18 Krock Shift it!
21:18 Krock "e game (they are just joking ;). log"
21:18 Krock Guess what's wrong
21:18 Calinou also, greylisted servers on Minetest... good luck :/
21:19 Fixer CAPS IT
21:19 Fixer Calinou, greylisted?
21:20 Krock for incompatible servers
21:20 Fixer in what way?
21:20 Calinou actually it's even whitelisted, you can't join if you don't have the password
21:20 Fixer aj
21:20 Calinou graylisted would be, you can join but not build, and you need to apply to build
21:20 Krock Fixer, minetset forks with changes protocols as example
21:21 Krock oh. that way graylisted.
21:23 Fixer hmm
21:23 Fixer it is uptime 38600 and ESM is not dying, hmm
21:23 Fixer probably some really "final" fix helped
21:24 Calinou Krock, btw I'm following Qt 5/C++ tutorials from OpenClassrooms :p
21:25 Krock Calinou, is it easy to understand?
21:25 Calinou it's ok, not easy, but not ridiculously hard either
21:25 Calinou I have basic OOP knowledge, so that helps
21:27 * Fixer needs to read that python tutorial
21:27 Calinou the latest version of PyQt for Windows is still built against Python 3.4 :/
21:28 Fixer ._.
21:33 DI3HARD139 Sucks that the mibbit client is banned from Inchra.
21:34 Krock then use a real client
21:35 DI3HARD139 I am. I'm using HexChat. Was looking for a DirectX overlayed IRC client so I dont have to keep doing alt+tab
21:35 DI3HARD139 when playing other games
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