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01:52 MinetestBot [git] sofar -> minetest/minetest_game: Remove composed shelf side. 3ecafbc https://git.io/vwvut (2016-04-14T02:46:03+01:00)
01:52 MinetestBot [git] kilbith -> minetest/minetest_game: Books: Split text per page relatively to number of lines 082b36d https://git.io/vwvuq (2016-04-14T02:45:57+01:00)
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03:40 redblade hi
03:40 redblade someone on my server is trying to download the desktop version, but is unable to
03:41 redblade everything works fine on my end
03:41 redblade are there any problems i should tell her about?
03:49 redblade she is from china, i dont know if that matters for github
03:53 redblade it does: http://viewdns.info/chinese​firewall/?domain=github.com
03:54 OldCoder redblade Hello
03:54 redblade hi
03:54 OldCoder She is downloading from github?
03:54 redblade it's the download link from windows on the page
03:54 OldCoder I could host a copy and see if I am blocked or not
03:54 redblade she just left
03:54 OldCoder Ah
03:55 OldCoder Well, I'll update my own Windows EXEs soon
03:55 redblade she was using mobile and timing out a lot
03:55 OldCoder She can try to get them from me
03:55 OldCoder Yes
03:55 redblade so i suggested she go to the  page
03:55 redblade why would china block github?
03:55 OldCoder China blocks a lot of sites
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03:55 OldCoder GitHub may well be one
03:55 redblade but how is github politically offensive?
03:55 OldCoder It is not
03:56 OldCoder I have had people explain this to me...
03:56 OldCoder I forget some of the details...
03:56 OldCoder But GitHub may be collateral damage or it may host software that can tunnel through firewalls
03:56 OldCoder Or it may not be blocked at all
03:57 OldCoder Need more information on issue. Simplest solution is that she can try to download my EXEs.
03:57 OldCoder http://minetest.org/ is me
03:57 OldCoder The site is very out of date and incomplete
03:57 OldCoder But there are some EXEs perhaps 6 months old near the top
03:57 OldCoder Might work
03:57 OldCoder Plus I'll rebuild them in May
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03:59 redblade is that when 0.4.14 comes out?
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04:33 sofar redblade: github hosts all sort of proxy and vpn software projects, the reason that github is block in china
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04:36 redblade ok
04:37 redblade well thank you for telling me, next time she logs on i'll download and upload the installer somewere else
04:37 redblade i gotta go byet
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09:18 MinetestBot [git] sofar -> minetest/minetest: Add option to disable entity selectionboxes. (#3992) 180e9a1 https://git.io/vwfIq (2016-04-14T11:15:41+02:00)
09:27 MinetestBot [git] TriBlade9 -> minetest/minetest: Add option to disable entity selectionboxes. (#3992) 6530ed4 https://git.io/vwftt (2016-04-14T11:20:11+02:00)
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16:26 Calinou trying to make a 64-bit VS2015 build of Minetest
16:26 Calinou it is not possible to compile gettext using Visual Studio?
16:29 Calinou also what's the difference between CURL_LIBRARY and CURL_DLL in CMake?
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16:36 Calinou hooray! compiled cURL in 64-bit with VS2015
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16:43 sfan5 Calinou: CURL_LIBRARY is some kind of .lib or whatever microsoft came up with and CURL_DLL is the .dll
16:45 Calinou yeah it's .lib, I found out
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16:56 Calinou installing DirectX SDK for Irrlicht compilation...
16:57 Calinou it's a 572 MB download :|
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17:03 Krock Congrats, Calinou!
17:05 Krock I found the DX libraries with their header files on github - not sure if they would work for 64-bit too
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17:05 Krock that were less than 5 MB IIRC
17:05 Calinou okay, with the .lib files it shows more options now, including the need for SQLite3
17:05 Calinou and LevelDB/Redis if I figure it out
17:05 Calinou and Lua/LuaJIT
17:06 Krock LuaJIT isn't a thing. There's a batch file that can be executed and it does everything for you
17:07 Calinou by the way, which version of Lua do I need for Minetest? can I use 5.3.2 or should I use 5.1 series?
17:09 Krock 5.1 I'd say. So the mod creators can't use new features that aren't working on LuaJIT
17:09 Krock but that's just my opinion
17:09 Calinou I built LuaJIT successfully
17:09 Krock \o/
17:10 Calinou do I need both Lua and LuaJIT or just LuaJIT, Krock?
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17:17 Calinou I managed to build a Lua .exe, except that I want a .dll :p
17:18 Calinou found how to make a DLL
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17:22 Krock Calinou, just LuaJIT
17:22 Calinou ok
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17:22 Krock the exe file is a candy on top of it
17:22 Krock to run scripts directly from a console
17:22 Calinou Krock, do I point the Lua CMake stuff to LuaJIT then?
17:22 Krock yep
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17:23 Fritz2 hello
17:25 Krock hi
17:26 Calinou Irrlicht compilation was a success! :)
17:28 Fritz2 good
17:29 Fritz2 when will the 0.4.14 of minetest be relased?
17:29 Krock God only knows
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17:30 Fritz2 alright
17:30 Fritz2 bye
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17:56 Calinou Krock, build is successful but linking fails with SQLite3 :(
17:57 Calinou LNK2001unresolved external symbol __imp__beginthreadex
17:57 Calinou something like that ^
17:57 Calinou maybe because I compiled the amalgamated build?
17:58 sfan5 no that shouldn't cause problems
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18:22 Calinou I got an .exe :)
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18:26 Calinou the .exe runs fine
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18:45 Calinou now it has Freetype
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19:08 Markow Calinou: Congrats on the VB compilation!
19:09 Markow I mean VC
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20:16 Preuk hello
20:16 betterthanyou710 hey
20:17 Preuk is there any nightly build for windows?
20:18 Preuk i can build latest on linux, but i don't have the stuff to compile it on my windows box
20:19 PilzAdam there are recent builds for windows in the forums
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20:19 Preuk ok thanks
20:20 PilzAdam https://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?f=​42&sid=53294651ce11443f73e89ca14dd9c341
20:20 PilzAdam they are not exactly "nightly", though
20:21 PilzAdam sfan5, maybe add an RSS feed for your builds?
20:21 sfan5 too much work
20:22 PilzAdam why? do you manually update https://minetest.kitsunemimi.pw/builds/ ?
20:27 Krock it's kinda horrible that changing a single line in the source code allows a player to fly and noclip everyhere
20:28 Calinou Krock, server-side noclip enforcement will soon be added, probably not in 0.4.14 though
20:28 Calinou server-side movement is just not doable for a game like Minetest
20:29 Krock yeah. Anticheat-like stuff isn't easy to do. Lag is uncalculateable
20:29 Calinou it is possible to know a client's ping
20:29 Calinou but Minetest's network protocol is not really well designed for low latency...
20:32 Krock and a friend of mine stays with the version 0.4.10 or 11 because there was no timeout detection. His connection is so slow that the received data packs stacked into nowhere that took about 60s to get received completely. What a stange world
20:32 Krock *incoming data packets
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20:37 sfan5 PilzAdam: i'd have to figure out how to make an rss feed
20:38 PilzAdam sfan5, it's a simple XML
20:38 sfan5 i still need to figure it out
20:38 sfan5 even if its simple
20:38 Krock http://www.wikihow.com/Create-an-RSS-Feed
20:38 Krock but that site gives cancer
20:38 Krock using m$ notepad to program :<
20:40 Krock seems like my builds are too unpopular to get a RSS feed
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20:52 sofar sfan5: just look at e.g. http://rss.slashdot.org/Slashdot/slashdotMain or some other feed
20:53 sofar sfan5: it's quite trivial to generate even with basic php or other scripting language
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21:10 abuk how can i change view distance on windows version of minetest 0.4.13 ?
21:10 PilzAdam + and - keys
21:13 abuk what about fog?
21:15 sofar F3
21:17 Krock settings menu -> disable fog
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21:26 abuk how can i decrease the view distance even lower than 5 distance seems still too far
21:27 Krock everything below 16 is BAD
21:27 Krock don't worry. You don't need glasses for a larger viewing range. It's on a 2D-screen
21:28 sofar why do you want to reduce it that much?
21:28 abuk for better performance
21:28 Krock F4 sohuld disable camera updates
21:28 Krock so try that one. Walk away and you'll soon have a viewing distance of 0
21:29 Krock VBOs were added after the last stable, right? So using an in-dev build might give you an FPS boost too
21:32 Krock abuk, https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?p=212880#p212880
21:34 PilzAdam abuk, if you can't even handle a viewing range of 5 then this game might not be the best for you
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21:35 PilzAdam Krock, VBOs generally only boost performance on higher-end GPUs
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21:35 sofar abuk: out of curiosity, what kind of computer do you have? cpu/gpu?
21:35 Krock PilzAdam, then it it was just an imagination
21:35 Krock from my side
21:36 PilzAdam sofar, probably a toaster
21:36 Krock a fridge
21:37 sofar PilzAdam: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00​GYKQEGE/ref=sr_acs_va_item_0?ie=UTF8​&amp;qid=1460669831&amp;sr=8-2-acs could probably run minetest on this
21:37 abuk thats how it looks like at 1 render view distance strange?
21:37 abuk http://postimg.org/image/5v45d55q7/
21:38 sofar abuk: what kind of computer is it?
21:38 Krock lol. Must be a variant of android app then. It doesn't seem to have a mouse
21:38 sofar opengl-3.1.0, hmmm
21:38 Krock abuk, hit "R" to disable the full view distance
21:39 PilzAdam and hit F5 to show actual FPS
21:39 sofar abuk: is "the game too slow" or "you want just more FPS" ?
21:39 Krock perhaps too slow. Who in the world would want to play with a view range of 16? o.o
21:40 abuk if i hit R it increases the view distance actualy i dont realy want more fps just less cpu usage so that it doesnt go over 70 degres
21:41 ShadowNinja I've got MT for Android running in an emulator at ~50 FPS :-D
21:41 sofar abuk: do you answer questions?
21:41 sofar ohhh
21:41 sofar overheating
21:41 Krock ShadowNinja, no problem if you have the hardware for it..
21:41 sofar abuk: reduce your max FPS
21:42 sofar abuk: go into settings -> advanced
21:42 sofar find the "max fps" setting
21:42 ShadowNinja Krock: This is on a laptop running an Ivy Bridge i5.
21:42 sofar and set it to 30, ... 20 ... 15 ...
21:42 PilzAdam sofar, advanced settings don't exist in 0.4.13
21:42 Krock I solved the overheating in another way. Installed the clock utility tool to configure the core voltage and clock multiplier
21:43 abuk yep no advanced settings
21:43 sofar PilzAdam: minetest.conf sure had it, right?
21:43 PilzAdam 70 degrees isn't really overheating, though
21:43 PilzAdam sofar, sure
21:43 abuk i prefer to not go over 70
21:43 Krock ShadowNinja, those 50 FPS were measured in singleplayer in idle state, right?
21:43 sofar abuk: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/​blob/0.4.13/minetest.conf.example#L74
21:43 ShadowNinja Krock: Multiplayer, mostly idle.
21:44 sofar fps_max = [number]
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21:44 sofar start with 30, reduce it until you're happy
21:44 ShadowNinja Krock: I managed to do it by compiling the app for x86.  The x86 emulators get hardware acceleration and can run at near-real-speed.
21:45 ShadowNinja First-time startup asset extraction was maybe 1s total.
21:45 Krock Ooh. Neat
21:46 ShadowNinja It should also be translated now, if I can slow it down enough to see the messages...
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23:50 LinuxGuy2020 Hey guys I have a mini itx NAS box running NAS4Free operating system. Is there a way to host the files on the NAS and just start the server manually for LAN play in the house? Right now I have SMB and FTP enabled for use if those will work or if I need some other service I can see if I have it available. I could start the server on my machine and point it to the NAS address and then other LAN machines would connect to my machine is th
23:50 LinuxGuy2020 Its a low spec NAS box so running a virtualbox session and actual minetest server on it are too slow to be useable that way.
23:56 sofar you can run minetestserver with --world and point it to a specific path for the world files
23:58 LinuxGuy2020 sofar: WOuld it have to be a path on the local machine only or can you specify a server path like the ip address and all that?
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23:59 sofar minetest doesn't speak smb
23:59 sofar it needs to be mounted

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