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00:18 MinetestBot [git] kilbith -> minetest/minetest_game: Flowers: Cleaning of waterlily's placement 47b197e https://git.io/vVXCo (2016-04-08T01:13:14+01:00)
00:18 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Farming: Override dirt_with_dry_grass to enable cultivation be05441 https://git.io/vVXCK (2016-04-08T01:13:05+01:00)
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02:18 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Mapgen: Optimise cave noises and tunnel excavation 465bb6f https://git.io/vVXgZ (2016-04-08T03:14:36+01:00)
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03:02 Mity Hello!
03:02 Mity I need some help setting up a server
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04:43 Mity Is anybody on?
04:44 lambda-11235 Mity: Yeah, but I've never setup a server. :P
04:44 Mity :(
04:45 Mity I am having trouble connecting to my Raspi 3 which is running ./minetest --server
04:45 Mity I compiled the most recent version of Minetest
04:45 Mity I even got a DigitalOcean server and compiled it on there and ran it
04:46 Mity it worked fine on the DigitalOcean server, but I cannot connect to the Raspi
04:46 Mity Also, did the last version of minetest really come out last year?
04:46 Mity Is minetest dead?
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05:00 sofar 110 people in the irc channel of a dead project, yup
05:11 lambda-11235 I like using how often bugs are fixed and pull requests are merged to determine deadness.
05:13 Dragonop Somebody needs to write some more rules for the offtopic section of the forums...
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05:16 lambda-11235 Dragonop: It was one, now two, comments, when the channel was fairly inactive.
05:33 openfbtd Oh no, no one answered me in five minutes! CHANNEL'S DEAD
06:13 MinetestBot [git] Falmarri -> minetest/minetest: Fix ncurses lookup on Arch Linux 27ee8d8 https://git.io/vVXpy (2016-04-08T02:11:45-04:00)
06:13 DI3HARD139 How can I strip lava completely from Minetest
06:13 DI3HARD139 ?
06:14 DI3HARD139 I got fire and TNT out. Having issues with the lava_source and the noobs
06:14 sofar mapgen uses it, so could be hard to do. Maybe remove lava bucket?
06:15 DI3HARD139 tried to. lava_source is still in the inventory
06:15 DI3HARD139 the bucket isnt the problem as I have the spill priv tied to it.
06:18 DI3HARD139 Is there a way to remove all buckets and the water/lave_source from the inventory in both creative and survival
06:18 DI3HARD139 ?
06:21 DI3HARD139 Eh. Will attempt removal tomorrow. Too tired to do it tonight.
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06:33 MinetestBot [git] Rui914 -> minetest/minetest: Mainmenu: Refactor tab UI code 92d4a73 https://git.io/vV1Ya (2016-04-08T02:25:04-04:00)
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07:08 cimbakahn Hello!
07:10 cimbakahn There is something wrong with Nigel's server (nyje.e-it.gr).
07:10 cimbakahn After i put in my password it loads 3/4 of the way and the entire gui disappears/crashes.  I get this error ----> 2016-04-07 12:07:45: WARNING[Main]: Irrlicht: PNG warning: Incorrect bKGD chunk length
07:11 cimbakahn Other people have had the same problem.  Can someone tell Nigel?
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07:42 Preuk uh? I see git notification for changeset 27ee8d8 and i wonder where is ncurses used in minetest?
07:44 Preuk ok, --terminal option
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12:44 tpe Is it possible to set the tick speed in Minetest? Speed of processing fire spread, etc.
12:45 Gael-de-Sailly the server step, no
12:45 Gael-de-Sailly but you can tweak the interval of the ABMs
12:47 aix tpe: dedicated_server_step
12:48 Gael-de-Sailly oh, i didn't knew it :)
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12:50 Gael-de-Sailly but that will not change the fire spread speed?
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12:57 Gael-de-Sailly I think I will stop Minetest for some time :/
12:59 rubenwardy Stop being involved with MT?
12:59 Gael-de-Sailly probably
13:00 rubenwardy I'm starting to feel like that
13:03 Gael-de-Sailly I have quite hardworking studies, so far I tried to stay active on Minetest, but now I have to stop
13:05 rubenwardy Yeah, I have uni. I also feel that so much of my online contributions are MT related, which won't look so good to employees
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13:08 Gael-de-Sailly I realized that I didn't manage to work after playing or coding on Minetest.
13:08 Gael-de-Sailly don't worry, I'll not disappear forever
13:10 Gael-de-Sailly (maybe my english is not good, feel free to say it :D)
13:11 Preuk rubenwardy: given your stuff online, i'd gladly hire you
13:13 Preuk (but i guess we're a bit too far)
13:13 rubenwardy Lol, thank you I guess :)
13:13 rubenwardy I've been applying for internships
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13:26 Calinou rubenwardy, actually I know people who got hired thanks to their work in open source games
13:27 Calinou Samual (Xonotic developer) had to turn down a job proposal at Google, I heard
13:27 Preuk btw i'm hiring in Nancy ;)
13:27 Calinou also divVerent (another Xonotic developer) works at Google now
13:30 rubenwardy Well, if it was 0.A.D or OpenTTD it would be fine. I don't think employers would be as welcoming to a Minecraft "rip-off"
13:32 Calinou I talked about Minetest modding in a motivation letter I wrote for uni, got 16/20 :P
13:34 openfbtd rubenwardy, the gaming industry would probably find MT contributions to be an advantage
13:35 openfbtd The gaming industry is a thankless horrible void for programmers though
13:35 openfbtd With exceptions
13:41 sfan5 rubenwardy: s/employees/employers/ ??
13:41 sfan5 openfbtd: C++ also has void and exceptions :P
13:42 openfbtd :D
13:42 Calinou it's an horrible struct then
13:42 Calinou and the good stuff comes in a DLC
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14:24 rubenwardy yes employers, sfan5
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14:39 openfbtd Is the world limited horizontally btw?
14:39 openfbtd 62000³, I see
14:46 Markow That is damn huge!
14:46 openfbtd 62km by 62km horizontally tho
14:47 openfbtd Not as impressive as EIGHT TIMES THE SIZE OF EARTH that MC boasts :)
14:47 openfbtd I know, I know, 62km is actually pretty fucking huge
14:48 Markow The playing area in MT is much larger than in MC I believe
14:48 openfbtd Huh? MC is 32000000*32000000*256
14:48 openfbtd Theoretically
14:48 openfbtd MT is “just” 62000^3
14:49 openfbtd That's 1100 times less
14:49 openfbtd But that's pure volume
14:49 kaadmy MT also has a cubic world, MC's is basically a flat sheet
14:50 openfbtd MC's very humble 256 Y blocks limit verticality a lot
14:50 kaadmy MC's vertical range is 0-256, MT is -31000 to 31000
14:50 openfbtd A lot of bigger structures in MC have to be sunk into the ground
14:51 openfbtd Or else they won't be buildable
14:51 openfbtd 62km Y axis is a bit ridiculous tho :)
14:53 kaadmy imo a 256m world height is plenty for the usual survival
14:53 kaadmy maybe 2x or 4x that
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15:04 Preuk i have yet to try it myself, but own hoes occlusion work with such heights?
15:04 Preuk What happens at ground level if i have a floating island 10km up?
15:05 Calinou openfbtd, Minecraft is not really 8 times the size of the Earth, it bugs way before
15:05 openfbtd Calinou, it used to
15:05 Calinou in practice you can make use of a ~1 million by 1 million area, before things get too inaccurate
15:05 openfbtd They've fixed the Far Lands :)
15:06 Calinou floating-point precision errors make the game hard to play beyond that
15:06 openfbtd Heh.
15:06 openfbtd So it's still not as huge as advertised
15:06 Calinou in Minetest you can notice those too, if you get close to world edge (30000+), physics will be a bit junky
15:06 Calinou for example, if you walk diagonally slightly, you'll actually walk straight
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15:07 openfbtd Also Minecraft's 256 world height (128 or less from the ground) makes sky bases very meh
15:07 openfbtd You can't really build a nice huge sky base
15:07 openfbtd I've always wanted something like at least 4k world height
15:08 openfbtd So that I could build a sky base that is almost literally impossible to find
15:08 Calinou there was the Cubic Chunks mod for it, before Beta 1.8
15:08 Calinou it was quite slow
15:08 openfbtd btw yeah, MT's world height makes it easier to hide shit
15:08 Calinou also, Mojang tried to have 512 world height but deemed it too slow
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15:10 openfbtd I've also wanted *really deep caves*
15:10 openfbtd BTW the torch brightness is atrocious
15:10 openfbtd Completely horrible
15:11 Calinou openfbtd, display_gamma = 1.0
15:11 Calinou problem solved
15:11 Calinou this should be the default...
15:11 openfbtd Oh
15:11 Calinou also if you tune your monitor, you can see in full darkness
15:11 openfbtd No, that's not good
15:11 Calinou or edit shaders
15:12 openfbtd But Minecraft pretty much nails it with how torches work
15:12 Calinou in Minecraft, you can't place torches on ceilings :D
15:12 openfbtd With Minetest, I feel like I need to set up one every few blocks
15:12 Calinou yes, change your gamma
15:13 Calinou but note that in Minetest, torches are 1 light level lower than in Minecraft
15:13 openfbtd So they ARE dimmer
15:14 openfbtd Well, 1 light level is not that big a deal
15:14 openfbtd Also I completely forgot to install mobs
15:14 Markow openfbtd: You're right about the world size. I was always under the impression the world size in MT was larger than in MC because of the "almost infinite" motto
15:14 openfbtd :)
15:14 openfbtd Markow, well. 62km is not even close to almost infinite
15:14 openfbtd You can walk that in like two days IRL
15:15 openfbtd Or even one, if you're determined
15:15 openfbtd On a bike, that's *nothing*
15:15 openfbtd For the purposes of a voxel world, that's plenty tho
15:15 Markow true
15:16 Calinou it would take the usual bike driver (not a sprinter) a good 2.5-3 hours to drive 62 km
15:16 Calinou so yes, doable in a day
15:16 Calinou in Minetest you walk at 4 nodes/second
15:16 Calinou and 1 node = 1 cubic meter
15:16 LazyJ While a theoretical, large world size sounds impressive, the reality is world databases 15-30gb in size for a world that is only 10k^3.
15:16 openfbtd Yeah, I use a bike in Moscow
15:16 openfbtd Easily make 50km a day sometimes
15:16 LazyJ To fill the full 62k^3 would consume tetrabytes.
15:17 CWz hey LazyJ
15:17 LazyJ Howdy, CWz ;)
15:17 Calinou LazyJ, a 4 TB HDD costs 130 euros these days :)
15:18 kaadmy LazyJ: terabytes*
15:21 Markow openfbtd: I do tons of biking here in se Poland where I live in the Carpathian Mountains. It's biking paradise. ;)
15:21 openfbtd Markow, heh. I mostly ride to work and back really
15:22 Markow Must be tons of traffic
15:22 openfbtd But 50km+ rides are nice sometimes
15:22 Markow Moscow, I imagine NYC, where I am from
15:22 openfbtd Yeah, Moscow has a lot of traffic
15:22 Markow I plan to bike from my village here to Moscow one day
15:22 openfbtd But my path to work is only like 20 minutes
15:22 openfbtd So.
15:23 openfbtd 40 on a scenic route
15:23 Markow I would first hit L'viv Ukraine and then head north
15:23 Markow Of course, I need a visa, that sucks
15:23 sfan5 oh no an offtopic discussion
15:23 Markow ok
15:23 sfan5 i'm required by policy to ban you all now
15:23 Markow apologies
15:23 sfan5 jk
15:26 openfbtd Huh. Does minetest not support different dimensions?
15:26 openfbtd As in completely separate world
15:26 openfbtd s
15:26 openfbtd I see a nether mod that is just an area in the world, not a completely different one
15:27 sfan5 nope it doesn't
15:27 sfan5 as the world is so big mods just use an area that's like 20000 nodes up/down
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15:28 openfbtd So mystcraft is impossible
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15:36 openfbtd I suspect that if MC modders switched to MT, it would have ALL the features in mod form in a month
15:36 openfbtd Including dimensions
15:37 openfbtd 40
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15:39 germanuel24 minetest.formspec_escape() also escapes new lines \n... is there a way to make it ignore \n or do i really have to call the function many times inside the formspec since i want to list commands... or can someone tell me what characters are no problem outside of escaping?
15:43 sfan5 openfbtd: the problem with mt is that you cant just add dimensions via mods
15:44 openfbtd sfan5, well yeah, I get that
15:44 openfbtd It would need support for dimensions from the core engine probably
15:44 openfbtd And an API hook
15:45 Calinou openfbtd, C++ modding is harder than Java modding
15:45 Calinou you need to provide builds for each platform, programming itself a bit harder
15:45 openfbtd That I also understand
15:46 openfbtd You can do a lot in Lua only though, no?
15:46 openfbtd And you could do pull requests to add features to the engine. While modding in Lua.
15:47 Calinou Lua only runs on the server, never on the client
15:47 openfbtd “The mod API can't do *thing*, I'll go write a patch to the engine”
15:47 openfbtd Oh.
15:47 Calinou also, many "good" pull requests are rejected...
15:47 Calinou like, zooming support
15:47 openfbtd That sucks.
15:47 Calinou it's hard to get your code into Minetest
15:48 Calinou people are kind of perfectionist and tend to think they're Linus Torvalds, maybe )
15:48 Calinou :)*
15:48 openfbtd So then Forge is still better modding-wise :)
15:48 openfbtd As in the Forge mod API
15:49 openfbtd To Minecraft
15:49 openfbtd It's a bitch to maintain tho
15:49 openfbtd It seems like the Forge devs are burned out
15:49 openfbtd No version for MC 1.10 in sight
15:49 Calinou there is Minecraft 1.10?
15:49 sfan5 not yet
15:50 openfbtd Wait, didn't it come out already
15:50 openfbtd Like, a while ago
15:50 Calinou they took the habit of not going 2.0 after 1.9 :D
15:50 Calinou openfbtd, I think it's 1.9 right now
15:50 openfbtd Oh, it's 1.9
15:50 sfan5 #minecraft topic says 1.9.2
15:50 Calinou and judging by their website, there is 1.9 FOrge
15:50 openfbtd Ah, right, I've been confused
15:50 Calinou Forge*
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15:50 openfbtd Yeah, there is
15:51 openfbtd Disregard my ramblings then
15:51 openfbtd I've simehow assumed 1.10 was already out for a while
15:51 openfbtd And it was actually 1.9 that was the combat update
15:51 openfbtd I've yet to play it btw
15:52 Calinou you can dual-wield things, I wish Minetest had that
15:52 KrimZon_2 minetest should have TRIPLE wield
15:53 Calinou ability to have wielditem in center of view, like classic Doom/Quake :D
15:53 openfbtd Well. It's sad that Minecraft will also be a C++ win-only game in the future.
15:53 openfbtd Most probably
15:53 Calinou how do you know?
15:53 openfbtd Microsoft.
15:53 germanuel24 Help my server crashed twice now cause of this "A fatal error occurred: Lua: Double fault error from mod '*builtin*' in callback luaentity_Step(): error in error handling"
15:53 Calinou we've been 1.5 years in the Minecrosoft era and so far, it's still in cross-platform Java
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15:54 sfan5 germanuel24: can you post a more complete error log?
15:55 openfbtd For example, as they say in the announcement: Minecraft is available on Windows, Mac, Windows Phone, iOS, Android, Xbox 360, Xbox One, PS3, PS4 and PS Vita, and now, Windows 10.
15:55 openfbtd I see a suspicious absence of a certain OS
15:56 sofar stop talking about minecraft, start helping out minetest
15:56 sfan5 >windows phone
15:56 sfan5 nobody uses that
15:58 KrimZon_2 i used to work with the person who uses windows phone
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15:59 germanuel24 One sec the log is huge
15:59 Obani openfbtd, but... don't Microsoft LOVE Linux ? :p
16:00 Calinou openfbtd, they probably just don't deem it important enough to mention it
16:01 Calinou Microsoft has very different people working in the same company
16:01 Calinou some love Linux, some don't
16:01 germanuel24 http://pastebin.com/PGWyKeCw
16:01 Calinou so sometimes they'll have pro-Linux actions, sometimes they don't
16:01 Calinou this is true in every company
16:01 Calinou KrimZon_2, I know a girl who switched recently from Windows Phone to Android :3
16:01 sfan5 hm
16:02 sfan5 germanuel24: i think that was already fixed in the dev release
16:02 germanuel24 I'm using stable..what caused it?
16:02 sfan5 not sure
16:03 germanuel24 Must be about entities so monsters/animals or dropped items right?
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16:10 Red_Fox um... hello =(^.^)=
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16:11 Jeija sofar, I've requested digilines to be added to minetest-mods: https://github.com/minetest-mods/​minetest-mods.github.io/issues/13
16:12 Jeija Please let me know if there is anything I need to do
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16:16 rubenwardy The IRC mod is so insecure for moderating a channel's chat
16:16 rubenwardy ffs
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16:21 CWz what do you mean rubenwardy?
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16:26 nm0i Yои саn аlsо use some unicode in game to do that
16:34 LazyJ Before updating the IRC mod, on my server, I disabled almost all the mod's commands.
16:35 LazyJ For the "[off]" stuff, it is all too easy to forget it.
16:37 LazyJ There are conversations grown men shouldn't be having with little girls on my server's chat.
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16:38 LazyJ Kids using the "[off]
16:38 LazyJ for sexting is another thing I don't want on my server.
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16:45 rubenwardy I'm making it so private team chat goes to a moderator-only channel
16:49 CWz rubenwardy, would be nice if that was disableable
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17:06 LazyJ IRC mod -  a conf file with listing each possbile command and the option to enable or disable them (true/false).
17:08 LazyJ Some commands usefulness depend on the MT serer's... setup, community, focus.
17:08 LazyJ At least for the servers that are monitored regularly.
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17:12 sofar Jeija: thanks, I was in a meeting and replied on github.
17:24 rubenwardy How risky is it to install (x)Ubuntu on a UEFI motherboard?
17:25 sofar should be fine
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17:25 sofar if you're scared, set the bios to legacy boot
17:25 sofar most of my boxes boot with uefi
17:26 rubenwardy found this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/582711/no-​hdd-in-boot-order-in-bios-in-asus-x555la
17:27 sofar if you boot a usb stick to install, make sure to boot the UEFI USB stick and not the legacy one
17:27 Krock I just wonder how you guys can fill an 1 TB HDD
17:27 rubenwardy I only have DVD+R to install from
17:28 Krock since UEFI supports much larger devices
17:28 sofar easy enough. my mythtv DVR at home records 20GB of HD TV a day on average
17:28 Calinou rubenwardy, it can easily screw up an existing Windows installation
17:28 Calinou if you are concerned about UEFI bricking, just install in BIOS mode ;)
17:28 Calinou but that won't work if you're dual-booting with UEFI Windows
17:28 Calinou <Krock> I just wonder how you guys can fill an 1 TB HDD
17:29 Calinou AAA games, photos/videos :P
17:29 sofar systemd makes it easy enough to dual boot in uefi
17:29 swift110-phone Wow
17:30 rubenwardy I definitely want to be able to still use Windows
17:31 Krock Calinou, so like filling it with a thousand 4K-movies? :P
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17:31 Calinou maybe
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17:33 * Krock gives davisonio a fresh trout to slap bad guys if required
17:34 davisonio Hopefully won't be needed :)
17:34 Krock just for the case
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17:37 sfan5 Calinou: additionally you need windows in bios mode to use certain windows cracks
17:46 rubenwardy Heh, I might just say with virtual box
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17:52 KrimZon has anyone used cmake to build  a code::blocks project file for minetest?
17:54 Fixer iirc, hackers invented local KMS server and activate all the things anyway
17:54 Fixer win/office/everything
18:20 Calinou Fixer, when there is not light, there can KMS!
18:22 Fixer yes
18:23 Calinou http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Splash
18:23 Calinou heh, here the wiki is down.
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18:24 Calinou there's a splash in Minecraft, "Where there is not light, there can spider"
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18:24 Fixer lol
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18:55 sofar +63333333333333333
18:59 air is there an option to display chat in console?
18:59 Krock F11
18:59 Krock or was it F10?
18:59 kaadmy f10 iirc
19:01 air no other way?
19:05 Calinou if you use development version, pressing the chat key opens the console at a small height
19:05 Calinou not sure if it's scrollable
19:05 air not the console in game, I want chat messages sent to the console that minetest is launched from
19:06 air stdout
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19:13 aix hi
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19:50 MinetestBot [git] sofar -> minetest/minetest: Minimap: "North" indicator arrow for circle minimap af799d4 https://git.io/vVDzp (2016-04-08T21:48:58+02:00)
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20:02 Fixer According to a Taliban spokesperson speaking with Bloomberg, the app was "part of our advanced technological efforts to make more global audience."
20:02 Fixer lol
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20:09 LNJ2GO There is a new 0 A.D. version out! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YiBr3juY_4 :D
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20:10 rubenwardy yay
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20:12 rubenwardy 56 people have my app installed (as of two days ago) Woop woop
20:14 rubenwardy 600 mods have been downloaded since 3 days ago
20:17 rom1504 you're missing an order factor
20:18 diemartin rubenwardy, have a link handy?
20:18 rubenwardy https://play.google.com/store/apps/detai​ls?id=com.rubenwardy.minetestmodmanager
20:18 diemartin oh appstore
20:18 rubenwardy or http://rubenwardy.com/mtmods4android
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20:20 diemartin thanks. installed
20:20 diemartin now waiting for stable 0.4.14 :/
20:20 rubenwardy If you don't like google play, you can get an APK from my website there. But I recommend you get it from Google Play due to auto updates
20:21 diemartin did you consider submitting to f-droid?
20:22 rubenwardy In progress
20:22 rubenwardy est31 is doing that
20:22 diemartin good to know
20:24 diemartin the other day SN also suggested using a native GUI for the mainmenu on Android
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20:24 rubenwardy I could do that. But the main problem would be keeping it syncronised with the Minetest source
20:24 Asuran hi if im familiar with programming, is there any very quick but complete tutorial for lua?
20:24 rubenwardy and
20:25 diemartin or well "native" in the sense of using the Android UI toolkit or hwever its's called
20:25 rubenwardy and you would lose the advantage of it being in lua
20:25 rubenwardy !g learn lua the hard way
20:25 rubenwardy Yeah, Android SDK
20:25 diemartin god my typing is awful
20:25 diemartin ~google learn lua the hard way
20:26 ShadowBot diemartin: Learn Lua the Hard Way | Sanity Phailed.me: <http://www.phailed.me/2011/0​2/learn-lua-the-hard-way-1/>; Learn Lua in 15 Minutes - tylerneylon.com: <http://tylerneylon.com/a/learn-lua/>; Become a Programmer, Motherfucker - Programming, Motherfucker: <http://programming-motherfucker.com/become.html>; Easiest Way to Learn Lua - YouTube: (2 more messages)
20:26 rubenwardy I didn't notice
20:26 diemartin MinetestBot is seroiusly b0rked
20:26 MinetestBot rubenwardy: http://www.phailed.me/2011/0​2/learn-lua-the-hard-way-1/
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20:27 Asuran thanks anyways
20:27 rubenwardy I've heard that's a good course
20:27 rubenwardy I'm not sure
20:27 rubenwardy Also, checkout http://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book to learn the Minetest API
20:28 diemartin Asuran, there's also "Programming in Lua" <http://lua.org/pil/>, and the manual <http://lua.org/manual/5.1/>
20:29 diemartin pretty much all you need should be covered in the manual if you already have some programming experience
20:34 Asuran learn lua the hardway is not good
20:34 Asuran not even complete
20:35 rubenwardy I might be thinking of another language, then
20:35 Asuran http://tylerneylon.com/a/learn-lua/ looks okay
20:35 Asuran i hope its complete
20:38 diemartin be sure whatever docs you read target mainly 5.1 as that's the version Minetest uses
20:46 Asuran does this version?
20:46 Asuran i mean i dont know it doesn't say that it covers it
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21:08 sofar I think lua is a language that you can pick up on the go and improve slowly over time later as you master more complex problems
21:10 diemartin the nice thing about Lua is that it's REALLY lightweight
21:10 diemartin the bare bones lib is about 50 or 60K IIRC
21:11 diemartin for the most part, it doesn't even assume you have one of those luxuries like filesystems
21:11 diemartin take that Python!
21:14 AndDT lua UNCOMPRESSED PACKAGE SIZE:     1.0M
21:14 sofar right
21:14 AndDT python 2.7 UNCOMPRESSED PACKAGE SIZE:     85M
21:22 rubenwardy TIL how to cherry pick
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22:00 cimbakahn Hello!
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22:01 cimbakahn I was wondering if there is anyway i can change my skin on a server to one of my personal skins?
22:02 cimbakahn I have 3 skin mods here that i downloaded, and i don't know if any of them can help.
22:05 sofar does the server have the skin mod installed?
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22:09 Fixer ._.
22:10 cimbakahn The server has the mod with the small single block thing that looks like a box with clothes in it.
22:10 sofar wardrobe. yes
22:11 sofar that one is easy to install, but you have to add skins manually to it and edit a text file to make them listed.
22:12 cimbakahn It would either be u_skins or wardrobe.
22:13 cimbakahn Is is just a single cube.  It isn't the large wardrobe that stands about 2 cubes tall.
22:13 sofar yes. that's wardrobe.
22:13 sofar download some skins, put them in the right folder, then edit the text file that lists skins
22:13 sofar restart server, and it should work
22:14 cimbakahn So, currently i am using the wrong one.  I need wardrobe, correct?
22:14 sofar you will have to craft or /give yourself a wardrobe node, place it, then use it in-game
22:14 sofar https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=9&amp;t=9680
22:16 cimbakahn I will try and see how it goes.  Feel free to give me any more tips you may not have mentioned.
22:26 cimbakahn If i got you correctly, you add the skins to this folder ----> /home/cimbakahn/.minetest/mo​ds/minetest-mod-wardrobe-1.1
22:29 cimbakahn I mean this folder ----> /home/cimbakahn/.minetest/mods/mi​netest-mod-wardrobe-1.1/textures
22:33 sofar the readme and forum post have all the exact instructions
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22:42 cimbakahn I already put the skins into /home/cimbakahn/.minetest/mods/mi​netest-mod-wardrobe-1.1/textures      So i guess i just need to edit the file skins.txt correctly , and i'm good to go.
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23:18 cimbakahn sofar: I edited that file, so now i will be able to try it now and see how it works.
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