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00:25 Asad3ainJalout Hello guys, so I just got into minetest (coming from minecraft). I had a couple questions. Is there a cinema mod? I am hosting the server on my media server, so all the files are right there. Google gave me a dead forum post. 2) for some reason, despite installing ncurses and ncurses-dev I cannot seem to compile with -ENABLE_NCURSES=TRUE.  Thank you for your help :)
00:29 sofar cinema mod? what would that do?
00:29 Asad3ainJalout some way to stream videos into the minetest world
00:30 Asad3ainJalout personally id be happy with just local file streaming of some sorts (I have an ftp and samba setup for kodi and web streaming)
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00:30 sofar I don't think that mod did that
00:31 VanessaE we'd need client-side modding for that, I think
00:31 sofar I think it just basically played schematics back
00:31 VanessaE server could instruct the client to open a stream and display the output as a texture on some specific node, that sorta thing
00:31 sofar it's open source so technically it's all possible, but none of the code to actually stream videos exists, nor would it work well without a complete redesign
00:32 VanessaE nope.
00:32 VanessaE definitely something long into the future.
00:32 Asad3ainJalout my programming knowledge is as far as some basic scripts (most complex one had some tags woo hoo)
00:32 jin_xi use libcaca and upcoming colored text maybe
00:32 sofar Asad3ainJalout: try some of the other cool mods, though, you can do a lot with minetest that MC can't :D
00:35 blaaaaargh that's kinda low priority. seriousy, I see no reason for streaming
00:35 sofar it's not anywhere near on the priority list for anyone.
00:35 blaaaaargh separate cameras with RTT on the other hand...
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00:36 Asad3ainJalou sorry back dc. Anyways yah i switched from MC to MT for a variety of reasons
00:36 Asad3ainJalou I used to run a modded MC server and that was a pain, the way mintest does modding is so much better.
00:37 Asad3ainJalou which is why im surprised some form of streaming does nto exist. I would think that it would be quite popular for a mintest community to want to watch something together
00:38 Asad3ainJalou a csgo or dota 2 match livestreamed over twitch
00:38 Asad3ainJalou or some opensource/free movies hosted ont he server itself
00:40 Asad3ainJalou could the streaming be done by calling a lightweight browser or video player ont he clientend?
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00:41 Asad3ainJalou say surf from suckless.org and mplayer or mpv?
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00:44 sofar suckless.org? they should read their own domain name out loud more often, lol
00:46 Asad3ainJalou lol, they design alternative programs that suck less than the originals. not always true, but sometimes they come up with gems. surf is an extremely lightweight browser runs on the weakest hardware buttery smooth. i also used dmenu (application manager) for a long time before rofi came along
00:46 blaaaaargh still better than therapistfinder.com
00:46 blaaaaargh <_<
00:48 Asad3ainJalou butsay when you look at a group of "screen" blocks, on your screen its surf opened to a page set by the server admin (in my case ftp://localhost) when someone punches a link it changes
00:48 Asad3ainJalou the trick here would be making so everyone sees the same thing
00:48 Asad3ainJalou this is what i used when i was running my mc servers, but its not good enough to stay on MC http://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/mappin​g-and-modding/minecraft-mods/1291044-web-di​splays-browse-on-the-internet-in-minecraft
00:49 sofar Asad3ainJalou: most of their arguments are "this sucks because (tin foil hat argument)", and that doesn't translate to actually better programs that make progress, just stagnation in development
00:50 Asad3ainJalou sofar: as a computer security major, i subscribe to said tinfoil hat argument.
00:50 sofar disclaimer: my employer has paid me to work on systemd, but I did it with pleasure :)
00:51 sofar writing a secondary implementation makes two unsecure implementations, not one good one.
00:51 Asad3ainJalou I dont mind systemd at all i still write service Daemon Start out of habit
00:52 sofar anyway, minetest modding is nice
00:52 sofar you could make (and people have) made displays in minetest
00:52 Asad3ainJalou mintest modding is pretty cool
00:52 sofar there's digilines
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00:52 sofar it's text, but still a display
00:52 sofar also, lua could fetch http data and convert it to wool blocks
00:52 sofar don't
00:52 sofar give
00:52 sofar me
00:52 sofar any
00:52 sofar ideas
00:52 sofar was kicked by ShadowBot: Message flood detected.
00:52 blaaaaargh hah
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00:53 VanessaE FAIL! :)
00:53 sofar lol
00:53 sofar ask VanessaE what happens when you give me ideas.
00:53 * blaaaaargh slaps sofar with imageloader mod
00:53 VanessaE shit gets real ;)
00:53 blaaaaargh just needs HTTP fetch
00:53 sofar rendering youtube to wool. hmmm.
00:53 Asad3ainJalou so my main apeals to MT over MC are Open source. I dont have to pay over 100 dollars for more than just me and my wife to play together. (btw Vanessae loving the better trees) managing the serverside is way easier
00:54 Asad3ainJalou etc.
00:54 sofar I used to code bukkit
00:54 VanessaE sofar: well, there ARE bright green, blue, and purple :)
00:54 rubenwardy are there any good sniper mods? Firearms has one but is major buggy
00:54 Asad3ainJalou sofar if you like rendering pixel art try mpv --really-quiet -vo aa --pixel-aspect 0.1 youtube.com/linktovideo
00:54 blaaaaargh rubenwardy, :(
00:54 VanessaE (purple used to be the most common choice for the chroma key on the GPU itself)
00:55 sofar all done, dropped it, ported my mods and all MT now
00:55 Asad3ainJalou https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04fcgFs-mjA this video works quite wellin black and white terminal ascii
00:55 blaaaaargh rubenwardy, rip away the "set fov" code there
00:55 blaaaaargh it's actually an engine patch :P
00:55 blaaaaargh (not merged because of Mushroom Man)
00:56 Asad3ainJalou im trying to convince a former minecraft modder friend, Abrarsyed to switch to MT.
00:56 VanessaE blaaaaargh: oh, so I've started a thing there now? :)
00:56 VanessaE ("Mushroom Man" I mean)
00:57 blaaaaargh VanessaE, O.o
00:57 blaaaaargh probably :P
00:57 VanessaE heh
00:58 Asad3ainJalou my daughter and I are actually playing minetest right now so please disregard if i take a second to respond
00:58 sofar btw there's a few dad-slash-server operators around in here
00:58 sofar pixelshadow guy, for instance, is one
00:58 sofar electra's UK is another
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00:59 Asad3ainJalou cool.so i didnt add any of the mobs mods cuse monsters nd shes four, going through the scared at night stage. Do those mods have a config to disable certain mobs
01:00 Asad3ainJalou my a key is spazzinh out sorry
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01:03 Asad3ainJalou see you guys
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01:14 Markow Good morning
01:14 Markow When will version 4.14 be released (ETA)? Thanks.
01:15 sofar there's no fixed date
01:15 sofar maybe 3 weeks from now?
01:15 sofar who knows...
01:25 Markow Thanks
01:26 Markow That's why I asked "ETA" (Estimated Time of Arrival), and not a fixed date
01:26 blaaaaargh 4.14? we're not even at 1.0!
01:27 Markow Oh my, technicalities: 0.4.14
01:28 Markow ...you know what I mean!
01:28 Markow preceding "0" !
01:30 Markow On the 'railnet' mod, is there any "estimated" time when one will be able to sit in a minecart first, then launch it w/o having to quickly push it and jump inside of it?
01:30 blaaaaargh heh, I remember when everyone thought "OMG, 0.4.9! the next one is 0.5.0!!!". cue 0.4.10
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01:31 blaaaaargh Markow, probably ask the railnet author on the forums
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02:37 bashterm hey
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02:50 Markow Yo!
02:51 sofar hi
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03:26 sofar VanessaE: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.p​hp?f=3&amp;t=156&amp;p=213198#p213198
03:28 VanessaE cool
03:28 sofar it's fantastic, btw
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03:28 sofar sorry, it just makes our texture pack cry
03:29 VanessaE I tend to agree.
03:29 sofar I've gotten really far with the conversion
03:29 sofar even the hotbar textures I can now convert
03:29 VanessaE at one time, hmmmm thought gold blocks looked like american cheese :)
03:29 sofar and health hearts too
03:31 sofar man this looks crazy good
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03:56 sofar VanessaE: http://i.imgur.com/Co3B3Ki.png
03:56 sofar lol
03:57 VanessaE looks like macaroni and cheese ;)
03:57 sofar in the bucket?
03:57 sofar ah, the lava
03:57 sofar it's the actual MC texture for lava
03:57 VanessaE yeah
03:59 sofar I've learned a lot from studying their texture packs
03:59 sofar they do all sorts of randomness tricks
03:59 sofar like, you can specify multiple textures for blocks, and it'll pick a random one
03:59 VanessaE tricks MT could possibly do?
03:59 sofar totally
04:00 sofar default_cobble.1.png default_cobble.2.png
04:00 sofar like we do for sounds
04:00 VanessaE right
04:01 sofar also, the way they do leaves is fantastic
04:01 VanessaE how so?
04:02 sofar MT has a fluid biome system, and exposes the biome parameters to the runtime game engine
04:02 sofar this results in a matrix by heat & humidity
04:02 sofar it has a triangular shape, but works the same otherwise
04:04 sofar http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m111/​Sonidzero/foliagecolor.png?t=1288827700
04:04 sofar so they ship a bitmap like that
04:04 sofar and the engine colors leaves of trees with the color that's relevant for the biome
04:04 VanessaE you meant "MC has a fluid biome..." right?
04:04 sofar so same tree is red in one area, green in another, brown somewhere else
04:05 sofar mc, yes, sorry
04:05 VanessaE that's pretty interesting
04:05 VanessaE could mT be made to do that?
04:05 sofar not without fully exposing biome heat&humidity after mapgen
04:05 VanessaE (seems like it would need some kind of very basic realtime compositing)
04:05 sofar that's one of many reasons I've been hammering on that
04:05 sofar could all be done client-side
04:06 sofar MT would have to send perlin noise params to client
04:06 sofar and then the client colors vegetation based on the color maps
04:06 VanessaE that's easily done I think
04:06 VanessaE at least getting the biome params to the client
04:06 sofar the image is just an asset, that's easy
04:06 VanessaE it would make HDX a ....bit of a pain.... though.
04:06 sofar it's the mapgen params exposure that's the hiccup
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04:29 blaaaaargh hmm... it looks like it might actually work under MSYS bash
04:29 blaaaaargh (mcresconvert I mean)
04:30 blaaaaargh don't see any weird (Unix-only) commands there
04:30 blaaaaargh eh... except maybe `zenity`
04:32 blaaaaargh may want to change that to a plain `read X; test $X -eq y` or something
04:35 blaaaaargh also assumes ~/.minetest (I have RUN_IN_PLACE=1)
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04:36 blaaaaargh bleh
04:36 blaaaaargh still nice that it works :P
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04:39 sofar I'm not doing non-bash... 15 years of writing bash code, lol, can't hit me with non-bash code ;P
04:40 sofar zenity might even be portable, it's gtk after all
04:40 sofar imagemagick parts, though, are gonna be really hard I bet
04:41 sofar blaaaaargh: it's impossible to determine whether minetest was compiled with -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 or not. after all, the script doesn't even look at the minetest binary :)
04:41 sofar any guess would be... likely wrong
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04:44 blaaaaargh sofar, ./mcresconvert.sh -i /path/to/.minecraft/textures -o /path/to/.minetest/textures
04:44 blaaaaargh [request]
04:52 blaaaaargh ...this will need lots of work to get rid of zenity
04:52 sofar I'm not removing zenity
04:52 sofar unless you can replace it with something identical in user friendlyness
04:53 sofar I'm willing to add getopt flags for those paths, that seems fine
04:53 sofar send patches?
04:55 blaaaaargh sure
04:57 blaaaaargh I suggest rewriting this in Python
04:57 blaaaaargh ALL HAIL PYTHON
04:57 * blaaaaargh hides
04:58 VanessaE <insert "hypnotoad" sound here>
04:58 sofar just because we let them live in the everglades, doesn't mean we won't shoot them on sight elsewhere
04:58 * sofar reloads
04:58 VanessaE oh wait, that's "all glory to..."
04:58 blaaaaargh actually, Python sucks
04:58 sofar blaaaaargh: thought had crossed my mind. but fuck no :)
04:58 blaaaaargh sofar, indeed, fuck no
04:58 VanessaE how about classic BASIC? :)
04:59 sofar (how (about(((lisp))))) ?)
04:59 VanessaE https://xkcd.com/859/
04:59 blaaaaargh hah
05:00 blaaaaargh in this case, right one :)
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05:02 VanessaE better one, https://xkcd.com/224/
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05:29 YuGiOhJCJ hello, I am looking carefully to the content of the "auth.txt" file and it seems that there are two kinds of passwords stored. Some are encrypted with sha1 then encoded with base64 but the other kind I don't know how it is produced. Any help please?
05:31 YuGiOhJCJ (in the other kind of password I can see the '#' character for example that is not part of a base64 encoding)
05:49 YuGiOhJCJ oh yeah I see there are two authentication mechanisms: the legacy based on SHA1 and the new based on SHA256. It means that in order to verify the nickname + password, I need to support each mechanism.
05:51 YuGiOhJCJ I think it is related to that: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1943
05:51 YuGiOhJCJ OK then, more work for me :p
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08:15 XeroRatorXox https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpOxgsjBoo8
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08:17 XeroRatorXox Lazy
08:17 XeroRatorXox Check my first video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpOxgsjBoo8
08:18 XeroRatorXox Gtg btw
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08:37 Markow I'd like to compile Minetest (latest version from GIT) on openSUSE Linux. One issue, in the repository, there is no libirrlicht package.
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10:29 Preuk Markow: https://build.opensuse.org/​package/show/games/irrlicht might help?
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10:30 Markow I'll take a look thanks. Otherwise, right now I downloaded the entire Irr Licht Engine source code from their website which includes the lib directory from which I could extract it.
10:48 Markow Haha..the lib files in the Irr Licht sdk for Linux don't come precompiled. So, I'm doing now myself. Just to clarifhy, I need the "shared" lib file, right? Not the "static".
10:49 Markow *clarify
10:49 Preuk https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7919
11:04 Markow Ok, successfully compiled both the shared and static libIrrlicht from the SDK source code
11:10 Markow /temp6/irrlicht-1.8.3/lib/Linux> ls -dl *  ->  -rw-r--r-- 1 ejm users 65215924 Apr  5 12:51 libIrrlicht.a  |  -rwxr-xr-x 1 ejm users 22750976 Apr  5 13:06 libIrrlicht.so.1.8.3
11:11 Markow So far, so good ;)
11:14 Markow Now I'll just manually copy the libs and header (include) files into my /usr directories
11:14 Markow Still a mystery why SUSE doesn't have these packages...but what the hell!
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12:03 sfan5 hmm
12:03 sfan5 why doesnt that banmask work
12:03 sfan5 !ban *@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.201.229.13.52
12:04 Preuk can't test it right now, but what exactly does happen on recipe conflict?
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12:25 jin_xi Preuk: last defined recipe is used i believe
12:27 Preuk ok thankx, i'll try it tonight
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12:45 sfan5 https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/4dg0ca/​why_the_free_and_open_minetest_not_microsofts/
12:45 sfan5 huh
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13:02 rom1504 except there is a lot more opensource dev around minecraft than around minetest
13:02 rom1504 that little detail
13:03 Preuk opensource dev around a closed-obfuscated-source software with no mod support
13:04 Preuk but yes.
13:04 rom1504 yes
13:04 rom1504 I'm not saying minecraft is open, it certainly isn't. But tons of clients and servers compatible with the protocol are open
13:06 Preuk until Ms puts a stop to all of it like "hey ! MC is now .NET with paying mod shop !"
13:08 est31 minetest is no minecraft remake
13:08 AnotherBrick MS owns MC?? O_o
13:08 Preuk yup, bought it 2 years ago IIRC
13:08 Calinou_ Minecrosoft
13:08 est31 and yes minecraft is vastly more popular, so there is more open source dev around minecraft
13:08 AnotherBrick lol
13:08 Preuk they use it as a flagship demo app for Holo
13:08 est31 but still minetest has advantages over minecraft
13:09 est31 eg. you dont have to install mods on the client
13:09 est31 only on the server
13:09 AnotherBrick that's not just advantage, also source of lags
13:09 Preuk est31: or just "you can mod it without having to decompile/deobfuscate/inject your code somehow/compile/obfuscate"
13:09 est31 well perhaps one day we'll get sandboxing
13:09 Calinou_ it's not source of lagsq
13:10 Calinou_ it's source of lack of client-side prediction, and wasting of server resources
13:10 est31 Preuk, isn't there an actual modding API now? or do you still have to hack it that way?
13:10 Calinou_ Preuk, fun fact: Mojang still provides to date deobfuscation tables to the MCP team (Minecraft Coder Pack)
13:10 Calinou_ est31, there is, with Minecraft Forge which is third-party
13:11 Preuk yes, tried to mod it a bit a while ago ...
13:11 Preuk did the exact same thing in MT in half an hour ; took me 4 hours on MC (and i'm a java dev, i don't know lua)
13:11 rubenwardy we need client side lua so bad
13:12 rubenwardy for good client side prediction
13:12 Calinou_ yeah, even Quake got CSQC eventually :p
13:12 Calinou_ basically, client downloads csprogs.dat when joining, then executes it
13:12 Calinou_ at least that's how it works in Xonotic
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13:14 Preuk what is xonotic?
13:14 Calinou_ http://xonotic.org
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13:15 est31 which language do they write mods in
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13:17 rubenwardy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU
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13:17 est31 Calinou, ?
13:17 Calinou QuakeC
13:17 Calinou which is horrible
13:17 Calinou but what they do can sure be done with Lua
13:17 Calinou (QuakeC doesn't even have structs, last time I heard)
13:17 Calinou also nearly no editor can syntax-highlight it
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13:30 Fixer hmmm, dat pos avast from 2012 i forcibly downgraded to somehow forcibly upgraded again, and.... f--ing UI is changed AGAIN
13:31 Fixer i lost count how many times they ruined the interface
13:31 Calinou why do you use Avast?
13:31 Hirato a/Avast/AV/
13:31 Fixer good question
13:31 Calinou [PLEASE UPGRADE TO MINETEST PREMIER PRO PREMIUM PROFESSIONAL PLUS]
13:31 Fixer Calinou, any viable alternatives? (can't install linux on it)
13:31 Calinou don't use anything
13:31 Fixer only alternative is uninstall that shit
13:31 Calinou in fact, you can even use RegEdit to disable Windows Defender
13:32 Calinou since it eats CPU as well
13:32 Preuk windows defender / security essentials / whatever the current name of the thing is
13:32 Hirato and grinds my drives to a halt
13:32 Hirato makes all I/O take much longer since it scans everything before it programs read them
13:32 Fixer uninstall AV and just ban execution of EXE files in download dir
13:33 Fixer any downloaded exe can be checked on virustotal
13:33 Preuk buy a SSD
13:33 Fixer i;m tired of this UI changesa
13:33 Hirato Preuk: I'd rather disable windows defender and have the problem solve itself
13:33 est31 install GNU/linux
13:33 Hirato the shitware i'd fall prey to wouldn't get blocked by AV anyway
13:33 est31 and don't do funny stuff
13:33 est31 that's my antivirus concept
13:33 Preuk Hirato: so true
13:34 Fixer if iirc 2012 UI was managable, than they RUIN EVERYTHING with brand new POS UI, and after that they REDO IT again and it is still POS
13:34 Fixer even worse
13:34 est31 rubenwardy, interesting video you shared, at one point in technological development we will need socialism, there is no other way except banning automation or letting people starve in the streets.
13:34 Fixer big whitespace in center, ad below and some really shitty few icons above that is pain to navigate
13:34 Preuk except "funny stuff" today could just be "browse reddit with firefox"
13:35 est31 lol
13:35 Fixer est31, but ofc not in russian interpretation // spoiler: it is evil
13:35 Fixer and no god damn Venesuela
13:35 Hirato you'd do well to use things like uBlock and uMatrix in Firefox
13:36 rubenwardy I just hope programming isn't completely replaced
13:36 Fixer socialism + capitalism with human face (trololo)
13:36 est31 yes of course Fixer those are dictatures that pretended to be socialism. Take what we have in europe for example, that's partial socialism
13:36 Fixer yes
13:37 Preuk Hirato: the main use for my AV in windows is when browsing old backups and games :)
13:37 Hirato heh
13:37 Fixer in USSR it was kill everybody who does not agree with you and head to the bright horizon of future that never comes :(
13:37 Hirato Fixer: close, but no
13:38 Hirato Fixer: they convinced people to get them into power then disposed of them before they could turn on them
13:38 est31 yeah in fact USSR was the reason why the western powers like england have welcomed hitler at the start
13:38 est31 saying that he protects them from socialism
13:38 Fixer est31, well, nazi germany cooperated with ussr in many bad endevours
13:39 Fixer just different sorts of shit
13:39 est31 yeah there was the hitler stalin pact
13:39 est31 but that was i think already after he invaded poland
13:39 Fixer funny thing is how russians (and some other people) perceive it
13:39 est31 (when hitler invaded poland, he has lost support of the western powers, this was too much for them)
13:39 Fixer stalin + hitler sign pact, divide europe, annex all the things
13:40 Fixer example
13:40 Fixer invasion and annexation of say Latvia
13:40 Fixer so to Latvia USSR is ocupant
13:40 Fixer now comes Hitler and occupies it
13:40 Fixer ocupant again
13:40 Fixer now USSR reocuppies it again
13:40 Fixer and
13:40 Fixer final part
13:41 Fixer they finally gain independence from ocupant
13:41 Fixer they start taking down soviet symbols
13:41 Fixer and russians anger
13:41 Fixer like we helped you to be free from nazi
13:41 Calinou and this is how Wolfenstein was born
13:41 * Calinou runs
13:42 Fixer and you are taking down our symbols you hipocrits
13:42 Fixer but for latvians it is: they both ocupants
13:42 est31 yeah
13:43 Fixer and many people still don't get this :/
13:44 Fixer same for poland and many other countries
13:44 Fixer worst for countries that were invaded by soviet troops early
13:44 est31 yeah whole east block
13:44 Fixer people were basically told to hate their national everything
13:45 est31 germany had this special story
13:45 est31 it was separated into various parts, each power one part of germany
13:45 est31 some powers took parts of germany away, like the french or the soviets
13:45 Fixer right
13:46 est31 the least nice were the soviets
13:46 est31 both with taking away land and with how they treated the population
13:46 Fixer my relative actually was serving as soldier in East Germany, but I know very little info about that (that was after 45 ofc)
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13:46 est31 east germans served an extra 40 term of dictature
13:46 Fixer yes
13:47 est31 40 yrs*
13:47 Fixer and there is still a difference i believe
13:47 Fixer fun fact about my country
13:48 Fixer Ukraine in 1991 had _5000_ Lenin statues
13:48 Fixer and thousands of Lenin main streets, Lenin parks, Lenin hospitals (!!!), Lenin islands (!!!)
13:49 Fixer and it started to take them down only since 2010 or so
13:49 Fixer my Lenin central street was renamed few month ago
13:49 Fixer it was Lenin Country for real
13:50 Fixer Russian got only 6000 with 3x more population
13:50 Fixer so we had a world record
13:50 Fixer every small city got central Lenin street with Lenin on it $)
13:50 Fixer not joking
13:50 est31 O.o
13:51 Fixer some cities will also be renamed
13:51 Fixer mostly villages will be renamed
13:51 Fixer so with batshit insane names
13:51 Fixer I loled a lot
13:51 Fixer i don't even know how to translate some of them
13:52 Fixer village of Bright Path of Lenin
13:52 Fixer lol
13:52 Fixer or smth like that
13:52 est31 hah
13:52 Fixer it is not bad one
13:52 est31 but didn't know that, interesting
13:53 Fixer or "Star of the Communism"
13:53 Fixer Kim
13:53 Preuk take any chinese restaurant name and replace one of the words with "Lenin" ?
13:53 Fixer *cough*
13:53 Fixer Karl Marx
13:53 Fixer classics :}
13:54 est31 german city leipzig was named karl marx city
13:54 est31 ah no
13:54 Fixer small city named Lenin
13:54 Fixer oh well
13:54 est31 it was Chemnitz
13:54 Fixer village "Lenin First"
13:54 Fixer "Lenin Second"
13:54 Fixer "Lenin-Ulyanov"
13:55 Fixer Lenintal
13:55 Fixer "Memory of Lenin"
13:55 Fixer %)
13:55 Fixer nuts
13:55 Fixer hi, where are you from? I from "Memory of lenin"
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13:56 Fixer Rosa Luxemburg (probably from Germany)
13:56 Fixer village "Social competition"
13:56 Fixer f-ing nuts
13:57 Fixer "Path of the unmarried"
13:57 Fixer o.O
13:57 Fixer nah
13:58 Preuk ';DROP TABLE towns; --
13:58 Fixer little less than 1000 mostly villages to remain
13:58 Fixer but there are some big cities that is fucked
13:59 Fixer are*
13:59 Fixer one can be easily renamed, but second has some shitty candidates oh well
14:00 Fixer meanwhile, on occupied territories few new Stalin statues are already installed
14:00 Fixer oh well
14:00 Fixer "it is always one asshole in the family" (tm)
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14:39 Preuk is there any way to reduce formspec lag? I mean even in singleplayer using inventory or any other formspec feels awfully laggy
14:41 rubenwardy Which inventory?
14:41 rubenwardy Are you in creative mod?
14:41 rubenwardy *mode
14:41 rubenwardy what are you doing?
14:42 rubenwardy What OS do you use, and  what MT version?
14:42 rubenwardy Can you try the latest dev of Minetest and see if that helps?
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15:09 Markow When I run cmake for "Minetest", I get the following warnings. Then, when I ran make, the binary was never built, it had errors in the end.  http://pastebin.com/bCBJ1zhf
15:10 Markow I compiled the library irrlicht from source successfully
15:10 Markow I used the latest source from git
15:11 H-H-H looks like a 32/64 bit lib problem :( not my area of ability sorry
15:12 Markow Here is my output from "make": http://pastebin.com/VYV73M7B
15:12 Markow The irrlicht files I compiled from source are all 64 bit
15:23 germanuel24 Does anyone know if the server loads objects also into memory that are in an unloaded mapblock? Like will clearing objects regularly make the server faster?
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15:25 CWz now that minetest is getting relatively popular we can expect the "Please host my server" threads to popup everywhere but the server forum...
15:25 germanuel24 Or another question: Do objects remain after server shutdown?
15:27 Markow The entire "Make" process looked clean up to "100%", then after that, some errors and the binary/executable was never built
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15:34 Preuk linking error maybe
15:35 AnotherBrick it's definetely linking error, but why?
15:36 AnotherBrick ARNING: Target "minetest" requests linking to directory "/usr/lib64/irrlicht".  Targets may link only to libraries.  CMake is dropping the item.
15:36 Markow When I see this, :WARNING: Target "minetest" requests linking to directory "/usr/lib64/irrlicht".  Targets may link only to libraries.  CMake is dropping the item.". How do I fix this. What "target"?
15:36 Markow yes, exactly
15:36 Markow So where do I set a "target" prior to compilation?
15:37 Krock seems like irrlicht is missing
15:37 Markow It's not, I have it in /usr/lib64
15:37 AnotherBrick try to set irrlight.dll or how does it called..
15:37 Markow and the headers are in /usr/include
15:37 Markow I'm on Linux, no "dll"
15:37 Krock I'd use cmake-gui to configure the stuff, dunno if it exists on Linux
15:37 sfan5 yes it does
15:37 AnotherBrick ok, then it's libIrrlight.a
15:38 sfan5 Markow: you/whatever program does stuff needs to pass the path to the irrlicht library
15:38 sfan5 not just /usr/lib64
15:38 Krock sfan5, doing some cleanups in the ban list? ^^
15:38 Markow That must be it, I never placed libIrrlicht.a in the /usr/lib64 directiory
15:38 sfan5 Krock: yes and correcting a ban
15:38 AnotherBrick what is your IRRLIGHT_LIBRARY variable in CMake?
15:38 Krock that's libIrrlicht.a
15:38 Krock err
15:39 Markow -DIRRLICHT_LIBRARY=/usr/lib64/irrlicht
15:39 * Krock hides - doesn't know about linux extentions
15:39 AnotherBrick and that's wrong
15:39 Markow That doesn't have the libIrrlicht.a though, it's static
15:39 AnotherBrick that should point to libIrrlight.a
15:39 Markow Ah!
15:39 Markow and not the directory itself?
15:39 AnotherBrick yup
15:40 AnotherBrick that's what that warning saying
15:40 sfan5 Markow: that is what i was trying to say
15:40 AnotherBrick lol
15:40 sfan5 also you should probably point it to the .so not the .a
15:40 Markow sfan5: Agreed. the .so is 'shared'
15:40 Markow Ok, I'll give it a try
15:40 Markow That probably bust my entire make process, eh?
15:40 Markow *busted
15:40 AnotherBrick i'm on win and IRRLIGHT_LIBRARY point to .a
15:40 sfan5 you'll need to recompile
15:41 Markow yes, will do everything now~!
15:41 sfan5 AnotherBrick: thats because windows does not use shared libraries how they're used on linux
15:41 Preuk rubenwardy: sorry missed your replies
15:41 AnotherBrick yeeeah, but iirc mingw can link with shared libs directly without static libs %)
15:42 Markow Which one should I link to? The first two are 'soft links' pointed to the 3rd: libIrrlicht.so.1  libIrrlicht.so.1.8  libIrrlicht.so.1.8.3
15:42 Preuk for my lag issues, its in local latest stable, both win10 and debian sid, in main inventory creative or forms from mods (pipes mainly)
15:43 AnotherBrick i'd say 1.8. but i'm not sure
15:43 sfan5 Markow: it doesn't matter, for "portability" you should point cmake to the least specific
15:43 Markow ok, will do it now
15:43 Markow ..see what happens
15:43 Markow should take literally several seconds
15:43 Markow ;)
15:44 AnotherBrick there aren't many variants, you can try them all one by one)
15:44 Preuk i guess this lag is from core design but it gets worse with "big" forms or mods with a lot of ABM
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15:45 Preuk so my question was: what are the "good practices" for formspecs?
15:46 Markow Beautiful, worked! No more warnings...now for my "make"!!!
15:47 Markow I used: -DIRRLICHT_LIBRARY=/usr/lib6​4/irrlicht/libIrrlicht.so.1
15:47 Markow Do you think those warnings affected my previous 'make' and bombed out?
15:47 AnotherBrick that looked exactly like that
15:47 Markow Ok, cool
15:48 AnotherBrick cmake couldn't find irrlight lib, so all calls to irrlight became undefined references
15:48 Markow Now building in "make" at 25%, another several minutes and should be done
15:49 Markow AnotherBrick: Yes, that was what happened
15:49 Markow And libirrlicht is probably one of the most important libs for Minetest
15:49 Markow It's the 'graphics engine', right?
15:50 AnotherBrick you can still build server without it...
15:50 Markow That's what I read
15:50 AnotherBrick yes, that's graphic engine
15:50 Markow Btw, I'm conducted this build on openSUSE Linux
15:50 Markow ..if anyone is curious
15:51 Markow Over 50% now, moment of truth quickly approaching, lol
15:52 * AnotherBrick gets nervous
15:52 Markow haha
15:52 Markow I want that binary!
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15:58 Markow Success! :)
15:59 Markow No errors
15:59 AnotherBrick phew))
16:00 Markow binary is there, time for ./minetest
16:00 Markow My thanks to all of you fine people ;)
16:01 Markow My Minetest Version: Minetest 0.4.13-dev-01ae43c
16:02 Markow From the latest git source
16:02 AnotherBrick sooo it does work?
16:02 Markow I'll do it now, lol
16:02 Markow Yes, GUI popped up instantly..very fast
16:02 Markow clouds hovering on it
16:03 Markow I must let you know, I never played Minetest yet, this is my first time
16:03 Markow I wanted my first time to be with this dev version ;)
16:03 AnotherBrick yay
16:04 Markow I guess it's safe to say, this is very close to 0.4.14, right?
16:04 AnotherBrick it's closest you can get atm
16:04 Markow Should I first allow creative mode, or not?
16:05 Markow And anything I should set first? (I should read the instructions, I know!)
16:05 AnotherBrick try to connect to any server. singleplayer isn't very entertaining
16:06 AnotherBrick for me
16:06 Markow I must practice first, my only experience is with Minecraft
16:06 Markow I'm sure crafting may be different, etc
16:07 AnotherBrick in basic things difference is that you have 3x3 crafting grid and therefore doesn't need bench
16:08 Markow O dpm
16:08 Markow ooops
16:08 Markow I don't have any servers in my list showing up, it's blank
16:08 AnotherBrick did you selected "Client" tab?
16:09 AnotherBrick and checked "public servers" checkbox?
16:09 Markow Ah, right, "client"!
16:09 Markow Now I see it
16:09 Markow Thanks!@
16:09 AnotherBrick i'm very curious about your first impression after minecraft, actually :D
16:10 Markow Server is for if I want my own server of course
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16:10 AnotherBrick like, "wow, blazingly fast" or "booo, blocks should be smaller"
16:10 Markow Just alone from the way the GUI popped up, and the cloud movement, it's fast!
16:10 Markow But hold on, I'll get into an actual game
16:10 Markow Single player first, just for practice
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16:11 Markow What "mapgen" should I use?
16:11 AnotherBrick v6
16:12 AnotherBrick v7 produce crazy surreal stone desert only iirc
16:12 Markow How come it says "Minimal Development Test" under v6?
16:13 AnotherBrick there are two buttons at the bottom of that form
16:13 AnotherBrick one if for default game and the second - minimal dev test
16:13 Markow Create and Cancel
16:13 Markow Not on this form, perhaps on the previous menu?
16:14 Markow Ah, I see this green-arrowed button
16:14 AnotherBrick isn't there listbox containing "minetest" and "min dev test" ?
16:15 Markow no
16:16 Markow let me restart?
16:16 AnotherBrick have you pulled this one? https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game
16:17 AnotherBrick cause what you've just built is just engine, you need minetest_game to actually play anything
16:17 Markow I pulled both according to instructions
16:17 Markow the engine and game
16:17 Markow but I only compiled according to instructions
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16:18 lotsoftuna aha
16:18 lotsoftuna Hi
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16:18 AnotherBrick did you places minetest_game into minetest/games dir?
16:18 AnotherBrick s/places/placed
16:18 Markow I followed this: http://dev.minetest.net/Compiling_Minetest
16:19 Markow damn, I didn't!
16:19 Markow I didn't do the 2nd cd
16:19 Markow into games
16:19 AnotherBrick hehehe)
16:20 Markow I overlooked it because I did it quickly!
16:20 Markow I'll do it all over again!
16:20 Markow lol
16:20 Markow sh*t
16:20 Markow ;)
16:21 AnotherBrick my first attempt at building it myself took me three days or so
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16:21 Markow I got the compilation and all dependencies right, but not the lousy directory! ;)
16:21 Markow Took me overall, about 4 hours?
16:22 Markow ok, time rm -r
16:23 AnotherBrick it's easier on linux, i guess. when it finally worked turns our there's no sound cause i did smth wrong with libogg :D
16:23 Markow I'll compile quickly and test it all, including sound ;)
16:23 Markow First, my git extract
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16:25 Markow Linux is awesome, love it
16:25 Markow I always compile my own custom Kernels
16:25 Jacksepticeye Is zeno here
16:25 Markow I never used the packaged kernel
16:26 AnotherBrick i heard people who do this usually use gentoo
16:28 Markow openSUSE man here! ;)
16:29 Markow Great Linux distro
16:29 Markow Wow, my output from cmake is twice as along now, no errors
16:29 Markow Now I'm expecting my 'make' to be longer :)
16:30 Markow Ok, it's crunching....
16:30 Markow I enjoy compiling from source, but...Gentoo is overdoing it
16:31 H-H-H i used to run an lfs system lol now thats fun
16:32 Markow lol
16:32 H-H-H http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/
16:32 Markow That comes in handy if you wish to build your own distro
16:33 Markow The first Unix based distro which got my feet wet with Linux was FreeBSD. I learned the basics there, then I became hooked, and hungry for more.
16:33 H-H-H it took forever and then it became a bit much to keep uptodate lol so i switched to manjaro while i rethink my lfs situation lol
16:34 Markow Then moved from BSD to: Arch Linux, Ubuntu, Debian, and then openSUSE. I remained with the latter as I like it best
16:34 Markow I would like to try Fedora though
16:34 H-H-H i even added the package managment system from arch (pacman) but still had to roll all the packages lol
16:35 Markow [at 64%]
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16:35 Markow I like the rolling release distros, and with SUSE, I'm on Tumbleweed
16:35 Markow It's well maintained
16:36 Markow My preferred DE are LXDE and LXQt
16:36 Markow Very light and fast
16:36 H-H-H im a xfce fanboy sorry lol
16:37 Markow Tried Xfce but didn't like it too much, but that was the earlier versions
16:37 Markow I know it got much better
16:38 H-H-H all good things mature with age lol
16:38 Markow Yes! lol
16:38 H-H-H except windows lol
16:38 Markow Exactly! haha!
16:38 Markow With age, Windows only becomes more bloated
16:39 Markow [90%]
16:39 H-H-H what sytem are you building on?
16:39 Markow openSUSE Linux (64 bit) Tumbleweed
16:40 H-H-H i meant hardware
16:40 Markow System, a desktop with intel Cpu
16:40 Markow Intel Celeron, not the best
16:40 Markow 4 GB ram
16:40 Markow hdd
16:40 Krock omg wow. a HDD
16:40 Markow yes
16:40 H-H-H lol
16:41 Markow I have a SSD, but haven't used it yet
16:41 Markow It's brand new
16:41 lotsoftuna XFCE!!!
16:41 lotsoftuna WOO
16:41 lotsoftuna LIGHWeGITH
16:41 Markow make finished, no errors, time to start!
16:41 AnotherBrick try to compile minetest on it. i bet it would be momentally
16:41 lotsoftuna Anyway so
16:41 lotsoftuna it seems that
16:41 lotsoftuna oh
16:42 lotsoftuna This is indeed #minetest
16:42 lotsoftuna I forgot what channel I was in, sorry
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16:42 Markow Now I see two icons at the bottom, yay! Minetest Game and Minimal Development Test
16:43 AnotherBrick and you should have choose between minetest_game and min dev test when puch "new" button
16:43 AnotherBrick *choise, dammit
16:43 H-H-H choice?
16:43 AnotherBrick maybe?
16:44 AnotherBrick you're right! lol
16:44 Markow Wow, very nice map!
16:44 Markow My first taste
16:45 AnotherBrick does vanilla minetest_game have mobs?
16:45 sofar no
16:45 H-H-H nope
16:46 Markow None
16:46 Markow What's the inventory key?
16:47 H-H-H i
16:47 H-H-H unless you have changed the keys :)
16:47 AnotherBrick ok, then close it, connect to 'just test' and plunge into wonderful cruel world of spawnkilling griefing and desperate search of mese
16:48 H-H-H i usually change the movement keys to the arrows as i hate wasd lol
16:48 rubenwardy Preuk, you should try latest dev, there are a lot of improvements there
16:49 Markow "i" works, thanks
16:49 AnotherBrick how do you change weapons when your fingers sit on arrows?
16:50 sofar switch to wasd
16:51 H-H-H middle mouse scroll wheel lol
16:51 sofar I change "i" to "e" for inventory myself, but should really be using "tab"
16:51 H-H-H ermmm i mean mouse scroll wheel sorry
16:52 AnotherBrick oh. scroll. right :-D
16:52 Krock About two months ago I got an RPI 2b and wondered what the key for inventory in MC was.. found it after pressing random keys :3
16:53 H-H-H e
16:53 Krock was so used to Minetest
16:53 H-H-H lol
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16:59 Markow This is awesome. I'm going to play around with it and make some tea. Thanks again all. bbl!
17:00 H-H-H another satisfied customer :)
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17:10 Krock H-H-H, !next
17:11 AnotherBrick isn't it possible to make compilation process easier?
17:12 AnotherBrick like, dedicated repo with third-party dependencies or something %)
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17:55 rubenwardy AnotherBrick, what OS?
17:55 AnotherBrick windows
17:55 AnotherBrick 7
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17:58 rubenwardy that's your problem ;)
17:58 rubenwardy I tried it once, it's quite difficult
17:58 AnotherBrick i did it long ago and now it's easy since i have makefile ready. there was some dude hour ago, on openSUSE, he struggled with CMake as well
17:58 rubenwardy on debian linux it's just cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 && make -j3
17:59 ssieb AnotherBrick: v7 is a full mapgen now
17:59 AnotherBrick to be specific - he messed up setting irrlight variable
18:00 AnotherBrick oh, cool!
18:00 ssieb you should check it out :-)
18:00 AnotherBrick i'll do it right now!
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18:02 AnotherBrick same crazy stone desert. i should update probably. or change something in config?
18:02 rubenwardy you need to get the latest version of MTG too
18:04 ssieb AnotherBrick: you have a recent dev minetest?
18:05 AnotherBrick not very recent
18:05 ssieb that could be a problem too then
18:05 AnotherBrick six month old or so
18:10 ssieb oh, definitely a problem!
18:11 ssieb update already! :-P
18:11 AnotherBrick building already
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18:17 AnotherBrick woooaaahh
18:18 ssieb haha, I assume you just tried out the new version?
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18:19 ssieb AnotherBrick: try the valleys mapgen too
18:20 AnotherBrick biomes! it has biomes!!
18:20 AnotherBrick and they are huge
18:21 AnotherBrick and it crashed lol
18:21 ssieb crashed??
18:21 AnotherBrick fast flying over generating world is hard on cpu, i guess
18:21 ssieb you got latest minetest_game as well?
18:21 AnotherBrick yup
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18:22 ssieb do you have the crash log output?
18:23 AnotherBrick i do http://pastebin.com/6H1fuxRq
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18:25 ssieb emerge.cpp:2d4 what??
18:26 AnotherBrick 2d4 line is: END_DEBUG_EXCEPTION_HANDLER
18:26 AnotherBrick i hope 2d4 is line number %)
18:28 ssieb how do you turn that into a line number?
18:28 AnotherBrick default value for enable_mapgen_debug_info is false?
18:28 ssieb probably
18:28 AnotherBrick i supposed that 2d4 is line number in hex
18:28 AnotherBrick and it's 724 in dec
18:29 ssieb odd, normally lines numbers are in decimal...
18:29 ssieb is that windows?
18:29 AnotherBrick that's what i thought!
18:29 AnotherBrick it's windows
18:29 ssieb ah, that might explain it then
18:29 AnotherBrick but i can assure you, we normally use decimal base for line numbers too...
18:31 AnotherBrick set enable_mapgen_debug_info=true, gonna fly fast again
18:32 ssieb ok, that line number makes sense
18:32 AnotherBrick fallen trees with mushrooms how cuute!
18:32 AnotherBrick damn i probably sound like 8 grade school girl, i'm sorry
18:32 ssieb it's too bad it doesn't give a stack trace though :-(
18:33 ssieb minetest is very visually nice now, especially if you add the extra mods for more foliage and trees
18:36 sfan5 ITT images magically execute themselves as code https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/4dg0ca/why​_the_free_and_open_minetest_not_microsofts/d1qyho2
18:44 rubenwardy there have been insecurities in PNG and Jpeg libraries in the past
18:44 rubenwardy but they're bugs
18:45 AnotherBrick is that what he means? i'm waiting impatiently for his response
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20:23 WookieWarlock Erh, how's it goin'?
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22:08 STHGOM what is the mod with good looking/actiong npcs?
22:08 STHGOM acting*
22:08 STHGOM most of the ones i found walk into walls and things
22:10 STHGOM though i guess I could say my town is inhabited solely on drunkards
22:10 STHGOM :P
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22:37 MinetestBot [git] ssieb -> minetest/minetest: Fix compiler warnings from "Add an option to colorize to respect the destination alpha" 24b32ab https://git.io/vVaRz (2016-04-06T00:36:24+02:00)
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23:01 Fixer compilation: great success
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23:12 MinetestBot [git] Ekdohibs -> minetest/minetest: Fix #3955 (player dying on login). 15e1dcc https://git.io/vVa2e (2016-04-06T01:11:36+02:00)
23:18 Fixer this >>>
23:19 Fixer !tell Krock critical "die on login" was fixed just now I encourage you to update your builds :)
23:19 MinetestBot Fixer: I'll pass that on when Krock is around
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