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01:06 sofar cornernote: welcome :)
01:12 cornernote hey sofar
01:13 cornernote want to chat here instead of in the gh issue?
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08:58 red-001 https://hosted.weblate.org/​projects/minetest/minetest/ is down
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09:44 ynong123 How to communicate?
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12:10 nm0i why no version checking in mods?
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12:32 * Mati^1 Bad News RealBadAgnel Maciej Kasatkin died today before an hour 12. Polen Time
12:43 VanessaE :'(
12:44 VanessaE nm0i: it was decided that checking for whatever engine feature etc that you need is better.
12:45 VanessaE Mati^1: this is confirmed? :'(
12:45 Mati^1 confirmed what is it
12:46 Mati^1 yes Katarzyna sie sey to me
12:46 Mati^1 sorry i mos going
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13:01 Fixer :(
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13:34 germanuel24 Can someone help? This just crashed my server and i don't know what caused it 2016-03-24 14:32:26: ERROR[main]: UNRECOVERABLE error occurred. Stopping server. Please fix the following error:2016-03-24 14:32:26: ERROR[main]: Lua: Double fault error from mod '' in callback item_OnPlace(): error in error handling
13:35 Fixer germanuel24, do you have github account?
13:36 stormchaser3000_ O_o
13:36 stormchaser3000_ i wonder what caused that
13:36 Fixer germanuel24, can you provide more details?
13:36 germanuel24 No but i thought about making one... so is this an engine bug likely?
13:37 stormchaser3000 hmmm
13:37 stormchaser3000 i don't know
13:37 stormchaser3000 do you have any mods installed?
13:37 germanuel24 I'll paste the last placement plus full error stack in pastebin one sec
13:37 nm0i How to check if API functions are to expected call format?
13:37 stormchaser3000 or is your version of lua broken
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13:37 stormchaser3000 ugh
13:38 stormchaser3000 qua
13:38 stormchaser3000 quassel* is a pain
13:38 stormchaser3000 brb
13:39 germanuel24 I have over 20 mods installed but usually it tells me WHICH mod caused the problem and that field is empty http://pastebin.com/2uS8iAxw
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13:41 germanuel24 Link again incase you didn't see http://pastebin.com/2uS8iAxw
13:42 stormchaser3000 ugh
13:42 stormchaser3000 how the h*** do i get rid of my quassel user
13:43 twoelk wait until he times out?
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13:45 twoelk germanuel24: before you repair anything make sure you have a backup of the world folder [wink, wink]
13:45 stormchaser3000 no i don't think that will work
13:45 stormchaser3000 on
13:45 stormchaser3000 XD
13:45 * stormchaser3000 shoudl really read the chat before responding
13:46 germanuel24 I just tried to start the server again and it works without problems...so the error seems to only appear when a player places something but the user only placed pine_wood blocks how can that cause errors?
13:47 twoelk verify that
13:48 twoelk for example vines used to crash servers if a block "near" them was changed
13:51 germanuel24 These were the last actions from 30 seconds before the crash http://pastebin.com/dLsuHtR3
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13:53 Fixer this news is so depressing, bad weather, my dog is dying and now RBA
13:55 sfan5 stormchaser3000: if you're logged in your can use /msg NickServ ghost <other nick>
13:55 twoelk germanuel24: "Juanimh tried to dig default:cobble at protected position (-12,13,167)" did that player try to glitch through a protected node?
13:58 germanuel24 I don't know but there are hundrets of those messages in the log and it's the areas mod... is that possible to crash the server by glitching through one?
13:59 germanuel24 one block*
14:00 sfan5 no, servers don't crash because of that
14:00 germanuel24 Shouldn't the error message display a mod name in the ' ' if it was actually caused by a mod?
14:01 germanuel24 I had lots of those errors already and they always had a mod name in that field...so this one is weird to me
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14:12 twoelk I think I remember similar messages last when minetest tried to place nodes my server didn't support while using Sokomine's handle_schematics chest to place a building. Interestingly it only crashed on Windows but not Linux.
14:13 Fixer if i understand correctly, Maciej and his friend were Poland ZX spectrum hackers and demoers back then, not sure what he was doing these days though
14:14 Fixer apart from Minetest
14:14 VanessaE he was, until hospitalization, coding professionally.  don't remember what it was for though.
14:14 VanessaE and yeah, he was a Z-80 geek back in the day
14:18 Fixer his other nick was Kassoft
14:20 Fixer this is real :(
14:20 VanessaE yeah.
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14:21 Fixer I was also Spectrum (soviet clone) user when I was young
14:22 Fixer i mean really young :/
14:22 Fixer depressing
14:22 twoelk you are unreally young now?
14:23 Fixer close to 30
14:23 twoelk RBA's video channel https://www.youtube.com/chan​nel/UC0m85fjDhVEu-YPbdz85C9g if you want to study more stuff he was up to
14:24 sfan5 !title
14:24 MinetestBot sfan5: Maciej Kasatkin - YouTube
14:24 Fixer twoelk, i've seen them, thanks
14:24 twoelk or listen to https://github.com/RealBadAngel/mtmusic
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14:27 red-001 http://i.imgur.com/U1Na4.jpg
14:27 red-001 that's a lot of function keys
14:29 Fixer_ looks like my internet is also very weak today
14:31 nm0i red-001: http://mykeyboard.co.uk/microswitch/
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15:02 domtron Linux is awesome. I knew it but this just reiterates the fact. http://maitesin.github.io//Module_prank/
15:04 sfan5 except that that code will crash the kernel on cpus with some feature
15:04 Fixer i think this is game RBA made back then https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noKH_RXHrVI
15:05 sfan5 also it will crash if you open a file that has a name with less than 4 characters
15:05 sfan5 !title
15:05 MinetestBot sfan5: Snake Mania for SAM Coupe - YouTube
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15:58 MinetestBot [git] Rui914 -> minetest/minetest: Credits: Make that easy to add/remove 21c4796 https://git.io/vaxmV (2016-03-24T16:56:23+01:00)
15:58 MinetestBot [git] sofar -> minetest/minetest: Make `options` local here. 2f64088 https://git.io/vaxmw (2016-03-24T16:52:26+01:00)
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16:55 sfan5 https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/4b​q7r5/64bit_kernel_support_raspberry_pi_3/ <<< this is why i didn't buy an rpi 3
16:55 sfan5 64-bit CPU but in reality they just use it as a better 32-bit cpu
16:55 sfan5 it doesn't even work in 64-bit mode yet
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17:01 est lol
17:01 est so much waste
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17:39 Fixer i feel sorry that i didn't buy that cheap rusperry thing
17:40 Fixer now after devaluation prices are fucking huge
17:50 red-001 rusperry?
17:52 Krock ^ RPI
17:57 VanessaE huge?  they're only $35...
17:58 VanessaE too bad the Pi-zero already went out of stock, those were just $5.
17:58 VanessaE kinda wish I had gotten one
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18:01 Megaf [17:58:22] <28VanessaE> kinda wish I had gotten one
18:01 Megaf same here
18:01 Megaf At least I have the original Model B and the Raspberry Pi 2
18:01 Megaf and will buy the 3 and zero as soon as I can
18:02 Fixer VanessaE, in local currency
18:03 VanessaE that sucks
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18:07 sofar while it's cheap, it's also underpowered
18:08 sofar but yeah, prices are low
18:08 sofar DISCLAIMER: I work for an evil overlord empire chip vendor
18:08 sofar ;)
18:08 VanessaE heh
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18:09 VanessaE well an arduino isn't exactly a powerhouse either but they work well, too :)
18:09 Fixer VanessaE, eastern european currencies devaluated a lot since 1990 and are heavily dependant on imports as soviet enterprises were not market competitive anymore and died off, so many people buy imported goods (including China crap) and it costs much-much more now, but due to outdated EVERYTHING, repressive taxes and corruption we need a lot of reforms to promote opening of new enterprises that produce at least basic goods instead of imported but cost of
18:09 Fixer credit is prohibitive so it is slow process
18:09 sofar if you want to stay small but want more oompf, try a minnowboard max
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18:12 sfan5 Fixer: at least it isnt as bad as the russian ruble, right=
18:13 sfan5 s/=/?/
18:13 Fixer wonder why usa guys complain about "costly" 600usd PC, when people in Eastern Europe buy them for such money and it costs fuck tons more because wages are like 5x lower or so
18:13 Fixer and they don't complain
18:13 Fixer sfan5, little worse, because with also have war and annexation
18:13 Fixer sfan5, thanks to said country
18:14 Sokomine the p2 did cost 35 euro over here, and the new model about 39. the zero was available only bundled with adapters for 15 euro (far from those $5 at the time)
18:14 Fixer sfan5, now we live in uncertainty because some guy in Kremlin has brain problems
18:14 sfan5 hooray russia
18:14 sfan5 /s
18:15 Calinou Fixer, because they don't pay for software? :>
18:15 Fixer sfan5, in Ukraine people even use the term ansluz or how you call it
18:15 sfan5 anschluss
18:15 Fixer yes
18:16 Fixer sfan5, whole event was very similar with same agenda, but I hope it will be solved in some time (or probably very long time)
18:16 Fixer Calinou, pfff in Eastern Europe nobody except enterpises buy software and pirated everything is a norm
18:17 Fixer Calinou, because prices are rediculous, windows for 200 bucks? noone going to pay for that :{
18:17 Fixer Calinou, it is like monthly wage in already poor country and people just meh
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18:19 Fixer also, car prices are rediculous
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18:23 sfan5 Fixer: who needs a car when you have war
18:24 Fixer sfan5, well, problem is not war, but government, we have car makers, but they produce kinda crap, so government makes very big tarrifs on imported cars to safeguard local producers
18:25 Fixer sfan5, and people from West Europe say we buy some few years old cars for <1000 usd, and people here like "omg, holy shit"
18:25 Fixer because here you need a lot more to buy even worse piece of crap that is XX years old
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18:30 Fixer sfan5, it is hard to expect peaceful living when this is translated on main russian TV channels: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=​8jLmK-8BGu0&amp;feature=youtu.be (subtitles)
18:30 Fixer i will stay of it for now
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19:38 myster is no one talking or am I just not able to read chat?
19:39 Void7 just no talking
19:39 myster thanks XD
19:41 red-001 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/​2016/03/14/minecraft-becomes-testbed-f​or-artificial-intelligence-experiment/
19:45 myster very cool red-001 :P
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19:55 Bro666 Hiya
19:55 Bro666 I am new to minetest and I want to experiment a little with Lua mods.
19:56 Bro666 I am trying to write one for singleplayer, when the player joins the local server, a certain node, say a diamond, get's placed in a certain place.
19:56 Bro666 I have tried  minetest.place_node({x=-62, y=0, z=-40},{name="default:diamond"})
19:56 Bro666 But when I travel to those coordinates, the diamond isn't there.
19:56 Bro666 Have misunderstood the place_node module?
19:56 Void7 no, place_node won't do anything in an unloaded chunk
19:56 Bro666 Ah
19:56 sofar diamonds are not nodes
19:56 sofar they're items
19:57 Bro666 Ah...
19:57 sofar you can place diamond ore, or a diamond block
19:57 Bro666 Right.
19:57 sofar you can also "drop" an item like a diamond
19:57 Bro666 I tried diamonblock also
19:57 kaadmy i think it's "default:diamond_block" or something
19:58 kaadmy not diamondblock
19:58 Bro666 Ok.
19:58 Bro666 So... just to be clear, I would do:
19:58 Bro666 minetest.register_on_joinplayer(function(player)
19:59 Bro666 And then
19:59 Bro666 minetest.place_node({x=-62, y=0, z=-40},{name="default:diamond_block"})
19:59 Bro666 Or whwtver it is, I'll look it up in a sec
19:59 Bro666 And then: end)
19:59 Bro666 in my mod
20:00 Void7 the problem with that is that you might spawn very far away from that node, in which case the chunk the node's in won't be loaded
20:00 Void7 so the node won't be placed
20:00 sfan5 Bro666: i think it would be easier to just place the node below the player when he spawns
20:00 sfan5 because then you don't have to worry about mapblocks being loaded or not
20:01 Bro666 Those coordinates are very near from where I left, like a few meters away
20:01 Bro666 Wouldn't that work?
20:01 Void7 it should
20:01 Bro666 Ok.
20:02 Bro666 Say I wanted to write like a treasure hunt. Place a node in a random chunk about 500 meters away from the player...
20:02 Bro666 Can that be done?
20:02 Void7 yes
20:03 Bro666 But you said that if you spawn too far away from where you want to place the node, the chunk won't be loaded...
20:03 Void7 yeah
20:04 Void7 there are functions for loading chunks, and functions when a chunk is generated
20:04 Bro666 Ah.
20:04 Bro666 Nice
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20:05 Void7 minetest.register_on_generated(func(minp, maxp, blockseed))
20:05 Void7 if your block pos is in bbox (minp, maxp), the you can place it there
20:07 Void7 or http://pastebin.com/1RR2ryp3
20:07 Void7 which force-generates the chunk
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20:30 Grinowe how do i change the language
20:32 Grinowe (ingame)
20:37 sofar game text or game engine text
20:37 sofar http://dev.minetest.net/Translation or https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4929
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20:49 Lluri yup
20:50 Lluri I have been on servers where people had "locked" a part of the map that was impossible to modify (mine or set a node ....) if you were not the "owner"
20:51 Lluri As I finished a part of my project (a kind of hogwart inspired castle)
20:51 Lluri I wanted to reopen the server to some people and allow them to visit and comment
20:52 Lluri But I don't want them to "lolz lava everywhere" on my castle, so how do I lock all my project area ?
20:53 ssieb Check out the "areas" mod.
20:57 Lluri No such option with world edit ? :)
20:57 Lluri ty for the advice
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21:26 ssieb Lluri: I don't understand that comment.
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21:42 * Mati^1 I would like to thank all --> Thank you for the memory I hope you will not forget about him.... I hope this man for afor all of you----> with him always to remember
21:43 VanessaE thanks for keeping us informed.
21:43 VanessaE he will be missed :(
21:44 Mati^1 I cry all day
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21:45 Mati^1 26 years friend best friend
21:46 Niebieski IMO, Minetest should be GPL.
21:46 VanessaE Niebieski: it's LGPL + CC-by-SA
21:46 VanessaE that's good enough.
21:47 Niebieski GPL is better, no commercial drivatives.
21:48 VanessaE GPL can be commercial too.
21:48 VanessaE LGPL just makes that easier in some respects.
21:48 Mati^1 31.03 am 14.30 europe time will be his funeral om town Wloclawek
21:49 Fixer thank you for info
21:49 VanessaE :(
21:50 Fixer we will miss him a lot, he fixed my graphic bugs i was very grateful and now this
21:50 Mati^1 I'll also there at the funeral :(
21:51 Mati^1 already I have the two hard drives
21:51 Fixer you must live through it, it always hard to miss a close friend
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21:53 Mati^1 yes I know but it's very hard for me and my family
21:54 Mati^1 a man a friend
21:54 Fixer you will remember him in your memory
21:54 Mati^1 sorry
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21:54 Niebieski I'm sorry to hear that Mati^1.
21:54 Mati^1 polnisch better
21:54 VanessaE His memory will forever be a blessing, Mati^1
21:55 Mati^1 vanessa I know you like me he tells
21:55 Mati^1 write about him
21:56 VanessaE I'm no good at all at writing such things
21:56 VanessaE sofar did a good job though with his post.
21:56 Mati^1 our good friend works in MIT
21:56 VanessaE ( https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=3&amp;t=14228 )
21:56 Mati^1 i know
21:58 Mati^1 and I was crying like a child by writing it
21:58 red-001 I'm sorry to hear that
21:59 Niebieski He thought I was Polish too.
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22:00 red-001 your nick means blue in polish
22:01 Niebieski Yeah we had a conversation about that.
22:01 Fixer Mati^1, you was in ESI with him, right?
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22:03 Mati^1 ESI?
22:04 Fixer Mati^1, http://www.worldofsam.org/node/274
22:04 Fixer Mati^1, http://www.worldofsam.org/node/275
22:05 Mati^1 yes RBA was the best coder ESI
22:05 Mati^1 sam qoupe
22:06 Fixer i am also played spectrum soviet clone, I was surprised RBA coded so long ago
22:06 Mati^1 Biography:
22:06 Mati^1 Coder from Polish coding group ESI.
22:06 Mati^1 Programmer of Craft and Snakemania.
22:07 Mati^1 We too had spectrum
22:07 Mati^1 sorry but i cry ;,,,,,,,,,(
22:07 Mati^1 sinclar zx
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22:08 Fixer yes, that times, i was so young, casettes, no manual
22:09 turd Can anyone tell me how to clear " worldedit:placeholder "
22:09 sofar hit it
22:10 turd I need to remove those worldedit:placeholder nodes from a map
22:10 turd invisible
22:11 red-001 replace them with air
22:12 red-001 use //replace
22:12 turd how can i select and set air just on worldedit:placeholder nodes? there's nodes within the area i don't want to relace.
22:12 turd Ive never used replace
22:13 red-001 yes
22:13 rubenwardy https://play.google.com/store/apps/detai​ls?id=com.rubenwardy.minetestmodmanager
22:14 red-001 https://github.com/Uberi/Minetest-​WorldEdit/blob/master/Tutorial.md
22:15 red-001 https://github.com/Uberi/Minetest-Wo​rldEdit/blob/master/ChatCommands.md
22:15 red-001 do //replace worldedit:placeholder air
22:16 sofar Minetest Mods will be installed on your device soon.
22:16 turd ok that sounds right to me
22:16 rubenwardy It's pretty cool how you can schedule an installion from your computer like that
22:17 turd Thanks red-001
22:17 red-001 np
22:17 sofar Unfortunately, Minetest Mods has stopped (Report, OK)
22:18 rubenwardy lol
22:19 Calinou I have a "Debug" option on my laptop as well
22:19 Calinou (probably because I have Visual Studio installed)
22:19 Calinou it also doesn't bother searching a solution online
22:19 Calinou (who finds that useful?)
22:20 sofar rubenwardy: refuses to open XD
22:20 rubenwardy wtf
22:20 rubenwardy did it ask for the internet permission?
22:21 sofar rubenwardy: no, it just has storage perms
22:21 sofar no other permissions I can turn on either
22:21 sofar um, if I list "All permissions", then I get
22:21 sofar 2x storage
22:21 sofar 1x "Full network access"
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22:22 rubenwardy Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: Didn't find class "android.support.v7.widget.LinearLayoutManager" on path: DexPathList[[zip file "/data/app/com.rubenwardy.min​etestmodmanager-1/base.apk"]
22:22 rubenwardy wow
22:22 rubenwardy well, unpublished for now
22:22 sofar rubenwardy: fyi nexus 5 (the old 5)
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22:57 rubenwardy sofar, the android minifier (which only runs in release mode) was screwing up my dependencies
22:58 sofar let me know when to retry :)
23:05 rubenwardy uploading now, waiting for store to finish processing
23:11 * Mati^1 Thank you all for your help and support, I hope the RBA will stay with you not just today. I will try to notify you when I will be in Poland on his last way :(
23:12 sofar Mati^1: dank! gute fahrt.
23:12 * Mati^1 pray for his soul
23:13 Mati^1 Sofar Danke herzlich Danke für Deine antwort und Hilfe!!
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