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00:01 twoelk then I would have to know how to calculate the lengths inbetween - I am clueless for now - and I am not aware of an algorithm that can do trail and error ;-P
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00:31 kaeza well, formspec coords suck</oldnews>
00:33 kaeza huge FPS frops near pine(?) trees :(
00:34 kaeza dunno if it's the trees or the snow
00:35 rubenwardy try using simple leaves, kaeza, and see if that hepls
00:36 kaeza rubenwardy, I always play with min settings (except for 3D clouds and transparent liquids)
00:37 rubenwardy oh, ok
00:37 kaeza oh wait. didn't notice "simple leaves"
00:38 kaeza uh, that's worse
00:38 kaeza well, no big deal anyway
00:39 kaeza can't expect to have 120 FPS with 1000 draw dist on an Intel integrated card
00:45 kaadmy :}
00:45 kaadmy i get around 30 node viewing range at around 10 fps with 8 items in the hotbar since the mesh items commit
00:46 VanessaE kaadmy: is that better, or worse?
00:47 kaadmy a lot worse
00:47 kaadmy disable hud now, i get around 40 fps without changing any settings
00:47 kaadmy enable hud, drops to about 50% or worse
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00:59 VanessaE I thought that had been fixed already
01:00 kaadmy ^ i seem to be the only person with that problem
01:01 kaadmy intel integrated+outdated(10+ years) laptop that hates any opengl
01:03 VanessaE that sounds more like a driver issue
01:03 VanessaE even 10 years old integrated graphics ought to handle something like mesh-based HUD/inventory well
01:03 VanessaE (or just stop using a lappy for this.  they ain't meant for such games :) )
01:04 kaadmy yeah ;(
01:13 Fixer kaeza, never
01:14 Fixer VanessaE, probably really old hardware, integrated was even worse s--- back then
01:15 Fixer kaadmy, you better update that calculator
01:15 VanessaE hehj
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01:16 Fixer there is pr #3770 that can improve fps even more (very big boost for me), but noone is fixing bugs on it (except RBA who can't right now)
01:16 Fixer with shaders on
01:17 Fixer users with slow cards should notice a difference
01:18 Fixer kaadmy, also, try vbo on
01:18 Fixer kaadmy, update to newer build
01:19 kaadmy i can't play with shaders, fog is broken + huge fps reduction yet again :'(
01:19 Fixer kaadmy, F3 to disable fog
01:20 XeonSquared What Intel Integrated?
01:20 Fixer kaadmy, again, buy normal computer, don't waste your life on a slow piece of crap
01:22 XeonSquared hey man
01:22 XeonSquared slow boxen can run Minetest surprisingly well in my experience
01:23 XeonSquared http://lain.shadowkat.scien​ce/~izaya/ideapad-s10e.txt this thing can get a fairly solid 30FPS
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01:36 kaeza http://www.asrock.com/mb/intel/g41m-vs3%20r2.0/
01:36 kaeza make of that what you will
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01:41 kaeza thing still runs way better than Minecrapht :)
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02:22 Daven_ ay VanessaE
02:22 Daven_ idk if u remember me xD
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02:32 VanessaE I might have if he had stayed long enough for me to akswer.
02:32 VanessaE answer*
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02:55 sofar :63
02:57 everamzah mouse hover focus, sofar?
02:58 sofar absolutely
02:58 everamzah :D
03:15 everamzah cool, can't wait to see how you did it
03:15 sofar the beds thing?
03:15 everamzah yep
03:16 sofar mostly the problem was the use of on_after_place()
03:16 sofar I just rewrote the on_place() from scratch which replaces it
03:16 everamzah i figured since there's meshnode doors, there could be meshnode beds.  i think that'd be a good consistency
03:16 everamzah aha!
03:16 sofar this can still be converted entirely to mesh nodes later
03:16 everamzah yes
03:17 everamzah hope so
03:17 sofar rotation should work already, btw
03:17 sofar haha no, broken :)
03:17 everamzah btw i personally feel protection check shouldn't happen on rightclick, but instead before beds.set_spawn() and only if enable_respawn were false
03:18 sofar there's no such thing as beds.owner. do you suggest allowing people to use beds in others' areas?
03:18 everamzah sure, why not
03:18 everamzah if i make a hotel and protect it, i might still want ppl to lay down
03:19 sofar mk, that's reasonable
03:19 everamzah just maybe not set their respawn
03:20 everamzah (and only if enable_respawn were true*, rather)
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04:27 rubenwardy Err... You wot mate? https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/2nd3HwyK.png
04:27 rubenwardy Minetest can't create it either... time to restart!
04:27 VanessaE oops? heh
04:28 everamzah accessing to it?
04:28 rubenwardy yeah, just noticed
04:28 rubenwardy never got that dialog before so haven't proof read much
04:57 VanessaE bbl
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06:41 sofar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3G-52FV4SI kaboom kaboom
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07:42 MinetestBot Megaf: 03-03 15:44 UTC <kaeza> https://www.dropbox.com/s/rgc​7snykovkvtdg/fakesun.zip?dl=0 hacky, but WFM
07:43 Megaf hm
07:43 MinetestBot Megaf: 03-07 17:25 UTC <Jordach> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
07:43 Megaf Hi all
07:46 Megaf !tell Jordach 😒
07:46 MinetestBot Megaf: I'll pass that on when Jordach is around
07:46 Megaf !tell kaeza ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
07:46 MinetestBot Megaf: yeah, sure, whatever
07:47 Megaf (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
07:47 Megaf ┬─┬ノ ︵ ( \o°o)\
07:47 Megaf ( ゚Д゚)
07:47 Megaf ┬──┬◡ノ(° -°ノ)
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07:48 MinetestBot est31: 10-04 23:23 UTC <comradmax> check the Norwegian translation commit, the a char with the dot is maybe breating minetestbot...
07:48 MinetestBot TypeError: 'SomeObject' object is not callable (file "/home/sfan5/mtbot/modules/tell.py", line 95, in checktell)
07:48 Megaf !tell kaeza www.dropbox.com took too long to respond.
07:48 MinetestBot Megaf: yeah, yeah
07:48 Megaf !tell kaeza www.dropbox.com took too long to respond.
07:48 MinetestBot Megaf: I'll pass that on when kaeza is around
07:49 Megaf Hey est31
07:50 Megaf Hows things
07:50 est31 hi
07:50 MinetestBot est31: 11-07 15:24 UTC <Krock> That error message was probably caused by a MinGW pre-compiled library conflict with MSVC
07:50 est31 going well
07:53 Megaf cool
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07:55 Megaf Morning LazyJ
07:56 LazyJ Howdy, Megaf  ;)
07:56 Megaf Just let me quote myself, something I wrote in another channel
07:56 Megaf <Megaf> Isnt it funny? Back in the day we already had the perfect OS, there were two perfect OSes actually, they were fast, responsive, good for multimedia and somewhat easy to use
07:56 Megaf <Megaf> we had BeOS and RiscOS
07:56 Megaf <Megaf> both running on better and more powerful or efficient architectures, PowerPC and ARM
07:56 Megaf was kicked by ShadowBot: Paste flood detected. Use a pastebin like pastebin.ubuntu.com or gist.github.com.
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07:57 Megaf !tell ShadowBot Bad bot.
07:57 MinetestBot Megaf: I'll pass that on when ShadowBot is around
07:57 Megaf !tell ShadowBot !server Megaf
07:57 MinetestBot Megaf: I'll pass that on when ShadowBot is around
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08:25 CWz hmm
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09:11 sfan5 Megaf: why !tell it 2 times
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09:15 Megaf sfan5, Because I see people using !tell twice when bot says yeah yeah
09:15 Megaf as if the bot wasnt in the mood are giving the message
09:15 sfan5 *sigh*
09:15 sfan5 as long as the bot doesn't respond with an obvious error message it succeeded
09:16 sfan5 "yeah, yeah" is the same as "I'll pass that on when <nick> is around"
09:18 Megaf if you say so
09:18 sfan5 Megaf: https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot​-modules/blob/master/tell.py#L73-L76
09:19 Krock xD
09:19 Krock I love that "Yeah, sure" thing
09:19 Megaf sfan5, by the way, did you see this? Me compiling Minetest with GCC 6.0, lots and lots of warnings. http://paste.debian.net/plain/416935
09:21 sfan5 no didnt see that
09:21 sfan5 but basically it's just "bad" indentation and "in C++11 destructors default to noexcept"
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09:54 Megaf <ACTION> 2016-03-19 09:44:45: [Server] WtfZiom [159.205.190.108] joins game.
09:54 Megaf <ACTION> 2016-03-19 09:45:38: [Server] CHAT: <WtfZiom> megaf can i be a admin?
09:55 Megaf I will never understand these people that join the server for the first time and soon after ask to be admin
09:55 Thomas-S Megaf, I can tell you another, even more funny, case:
09:56 Thomas-S I am admin on OldCoder Lord of the Test. Players have to ask for interact there.
09:56 Thomas-S Once, a player joined and asked, if he could be admin. He didn't even have interact! :D
09:56 twoelk well that might be exactly what they are looking for - a place where they can administer other players
09:57 Thomas-S I told, that he needs interact first, then he used the very bad word starting with "F"
09:58 Out`Of`Control why ask? just join as me_admin_plz !!!
09:58 Thomas-S lol
09:59 twoelk actually I know such a person quite well. He can only play if he can make the rules and tell everybody exactly how to play - I told him to become puppeteer or film director
09:59 Out`Of`Control i love to troll them
10:00 Out`Of`Control revoke shout or interact, they don't see it :D
10:00 Out`Of`Control Megaf:  how many admins are on your server?
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10:03 Megaf Out`Of`Control, around 10 I think
10:03 Out`Of`Control wow
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10:06 Megaf sin, Gronx, LforLeeeeeeeX, Sofia, Jessch8285, Hamza568, Tahirah, Haiku, Megaf, pi, shadowzone, PosenedArrow, LazyJ, BudderWorrier
10:06 Megaf Out`Of`Control, those
10:06 Out`Of`Control ok
10:06 Megaf s/Jessch8285/Jessch8281
10:06 Megaf Out`Of`Control, know any of them?
10:07 Out`Of`Control Megaf:  only 3
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10:15 sfan5 !py tell.tell.__globals__["checktell"](phenny, ext(filter(lambda e: setattr(e,"nick","Magaf") or True,[BaseException()])))
10:15 MinetestBot NameError: name 'ext' is not defined (file "/home/sfan5/mtbot/modules/admin.py", line 78, in py)
10:15 sfan5 !py tell.tell.__globals__["checkte​ll"](phenny,next(filter(lambda e: setattr(e,"nick","Magaf") or True,[BaseException()])))
10:15 MinetestBot Magaf: 01-28 23:38 UTC <greeter> Thanks for your help in tracking down the issues I was having :-)
10:15 MinetestBot None
10:15 sfan5 ^ Megaf also for you
10:19 Megaf Oh, thanks
10:19 Megaf !tell greeter You're welcome :)
10:19 MinetestBot Megaf: I'll pass that on when greeter is around
10:20 Megaf greeter, oh, Hi there
10:21 Megaf dropbox.com is not opening here
10:21 Megaf It is now
10:22 sfan5 !servers players:most
10:22 sfan5 !server players:most
10:22 MinetestBot sfan5: skyblock server | shivajiva101.nsupdate.info:30001 | Clients: 23/40, 17/36 | Version: 0.4.13-dev / minetest | Ping: 43ms
10:24 nrzkt !py sys.exit(0)
10:24 nrzkt !py print "toto"
10:24 nrzkt sfan5, are you the only allowed to do !py ? :)
10:24 sfan5 yes
10:24 sfan5 also i'm using python 3 so you'd need brackets with print
10:25 sfan5 any sys is probably not defined
10:25 sfan5 !py sys
10:25 MinetestBot NameError: name 'sys' is not defined (file "/home/sfan5/mtbot/modules/admin.py", line 78, in py)
10:28 Megaf !tell kaeza that fakesun is very neat, thanks a million!
10:28 MinetestBot Megaf: I'll pass that on when kaeza is around
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12:24 Foghrye4 It's my internet connection not working or it is everybody keep silence?
12:25 sfan5 silence
12:25 Foghrye4 You all guys are frickin' creeps.
12:26 Foghrye4 Except you, sfan5.
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14:17 rubenwardy ShadowBot, hi!
14:33 Fixer VanessaE, cleared up cache and trying to connect to dreambuilder creative, progress at 50%, 400 sec passed already and I've stopped counting
14:34 Fixer VanessaE, so first connect is 5-10 min
14:34 Fixer ._.
14:34 VanessaE that's sadly rather normal
14:34 VanessaE though for me it usually takes only about a minute
14:36 MinetestBot [git] est31 -> minetest/minetest: lua_api.txt: improve vector documentation d915ca1 https://git.io/vaPNq (2016-03-19T15:34:51+01:00)
14:37 Fixer still connecting
14:37 Fixer .____.
14:37 Fixer 10+ mins
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14:39 Fixer connect
14:39 VanessaE there you are
14:39 VanessaE maybe you just have a slow pipe
14:39 VanessaE VE-C has like 40 MB of media
14:40 Fixer VanessaE, nope, my pipe is 2mbit and it was not even utilized at all at connect
14:40 VanessaE idk then
14:40 rubenwardy remote_media, ofc, VanessaE?
14:40 VanessaE rubenwardy: yeah
14:40 Fixer VanessaE, it was downloading with like 12kbyte/s
14:40 VanessaE Fixer: does your build have cURL support?
14:40 rubenwardy maybe the server is being saturated with requests?
14:41 Fixer VanessaE, yes
14:41 VanessaE I'll check it in a minute, Fixer.
14:42 Fixer i can down 20mb in <2 min, yet it was over 10min
14:42 VanessaE start.
14:43 VanessaE media loading...
14:43 VanessaE wow wtf?  that's FAR slower than it ought to be
14:44 VanessaE here comes a big chunk, briefly
14:44 VanessaE finished.
14:45 VanessaE initializing nodes now.
14:45 VanessaE the peak transfer rate was about 7.3 Mbps
14:46 VanessaE done.
14:46 VanessaE total time: 3 minutes.
14:47 Fixer VanessaE, cleared your cache?
14:47 VanessaE yep.
14:48 Fixer VanessaE, want to observe me connecting again? with cleared cache
14:49 VanessaE if you want, but really it's all on your end.
14:49 VanessaE has to be, if I can slurp down 39MB of media in 2 mins.
14:49 Fixer VanessaE, one sec
14:50 VanessaE (just checked the usage, as VE-C is the only server that I've connected to since clearing the cache)
14:50 Fixer start
14:50 Fixer media
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14:51 Fixer DL: 10 kbyte / s
14:52 Fixer VanessaE, i see smth weird on debug
14:52 VanessaE I think your build doesn't really have cURL support then
14:53 VanessaE a few 404 errors right?
14:53 Fixer VanessaE, few? lol
14:53 Fixer VanessaE, it is like 5 errors per second
14:53 VanessaE there should be like four files that throw several 404's
14:53 VanessaE wat?
14:53 Fixer LOL
14:53 Fixer debug is over 1mb now
14:54 VanessaE are you sure you don't have a firewall blocking you?
14:54 VanessaE some folks have reported that daconcepts.com triggers false firewall/antivirus warnings
14:54 VanessaE (which would among other things block your access to the server over http)
14:55 Fixer VanessaE, hold on, i will check firewall
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14:56 VanessaE check your antivirus also.  just point your browser to daconcepts.com and see what it does.
14:56 VanessaE if it throws malware warnings, disregard them and add my site to your whitelist.  I know for a solid fact that my site is safe :P
14:56 Fixer it is good
14:57 rubenwardy Do you see the public server list?
14:58 Fixer VanessaE, errors like this http://pastebin.com/raw/Gz4w971v
14:58 Fixer rubenwardy, ofc
14:58 rubenwardy It doesn't work on non-curl
14:58 rubenwardy Oh, so you do have curl
14:58 VanessaE Fixer: that would be the issue then.
14:58 Fixer VanessaE, megabytes of your errors :}
14:58 VanessaE let me re-check again.
14:58 rubenwardy That happened to me
14:59 VanessaE vanessa@rainbird:~$ rm -rf .cache/minetest/
14:59 VanessaE connect
14:59 VanessaE whoa
14:59 VanessaE shittons of them for me too
14:59 VanessaE guest the regular media_fubar code is pretty fast
14:59 VanessaE shit
15:00 rubenwardy find . -name '*.png' -exec mv {} /path/to/remote/media/path/ \;
15:00 rubenwardy VanessaE, run on server where . is games/yourgame/
15:00 rubenwardy also need to do on *.b3d and *.ogg
15:00 VanessaE rubenwardy: I'm using sfan5's script for media management
15:00 rubenwardy fixed errors for me
15:00 VanessaE index.mth etc.
15:00 rubenwardy I do too
15:00 rubenwardy but then I got those errors
15:01 VanessaE this makes no sense.
15:01 rubenwardy maybe the client code has been screwed up
15:01 Calinou .b3d, .x, .obj, .md2 are the 4 mesh formats supported by Minetest by the way
15:01 Calinou you probably should include them all, the first 3 are all common in mods
15:01 rubenwardy Well, after doing only png b3d ogg worked for me
15:01 rubenwardy as capturetheflag has no models apart from the player
15:02 VanessaE how the hell am I supposed to debug this?
15:02 rubenwardy try reverting the client, I guess
15:02 VanessaE index.mth is binary, and the debug log doesn't give me filename hashes
15:03 VanessaE 2016-03-19 11:06:47: ERROR[CurlFetch]: http://minetest.daconcepts.com/server-media​/moreblocks_slope_outer_cut_half_raised.obj not found (HTTP response code said error) (response code 404)
15:03 VanessaE <--- which file in my media cache is that supposed to be?
15:03 VanessaE THIS is why I don't like the index.mth method
15:04 Calinou to be honest the remote_media implementation of Minetest kind of sucks
15:04 VanessaE yes, it does.
15:04 Calinou most Quake-based games do it infinitely better: you don't have to rename files at all
15:04 Calinou and cache does not rename media names either
15:05 VanessaE how long has my server been broken like this?  >:-(
15:09 VanessaE it's the whole fucking media tree.  wtf?
15:11 VanessaE ok I don't understand.
15:11 VanessaE at least one of the files in the remote_media dir matches the same hash in minetest's downloaded cache
15:13 VanessaE and OF COURSE browsers and image viewers don't know what to do with those files because they lack file extensions
15:16 est Calinou, i consider it a feature
15:16 est it should just be automated some way
15:16 est it will just lead to weird bugs
15:18 VanessaE vanessa@rainbird:~/.cache/minetest/media$ f="ffc2fcd5d1b73e18aa5aa9f5b8903180f652b6ce"
15:18 VanessaE vanessa@rainbird:~/.cache/minetest/media$ echo -ne $f | xxd -r -p ����ѷ>�Z����1��R��vanessa@rainbird:~/.cache/minetest/media$
15:18 VanessaE wtf?
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15:19 VanessaE where the hell did I get this from?
15:19 VanessaE that's the line that (in part) echoes filenames to the index.mth
15:19 VanessaE looks like the same data as is given by cat "$f" | openssl dgst -binary -sha1  (sfan5's script)
15:20 Fixer i'm back
15:20 Fixer was afk sry
15:22 Fixer 16:49 - 17:03
15:22 Fixer okay
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15:23 Fixer VanessaE, so what now?
15:24 VanessaE I don't know.
15:24 VanessaE I'm trying to sort it out.  read the channel backscroll.
15:26 Fixer VanessaE, well since I've rarely seen them will players, probably a lot fo time %)
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15:36 VanessaE Fixer: looks like a BUNCH of files are just not being picked up by my remote_media script.
15:37 Fixer VanessaE, huge bunch %)
15:37 VanessaE I'm trying to fix it.
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15:44 afflatus Weird issue #00meh - some of my 32px wool textures have been replaced by 16px minetest_game textures - I do not have a clue why. I've cleared texture cache and they're still there. I'm not expecting anyone else to have a clue either.
15:45 afflatus Anyway that's today's wtaf moment
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15:46 afflatus And I've just found the cause ... mobs:snowman grr
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16:02 Fixer VanessaE, success?
16:03 VanessaE no.
16:04 VanessaE not yet anyways.
16:05 VanessaE CWz: you need to fix the permissions on your tt_survival worldmods dirs.  a few of them are not readable by user 'minetest'.
16:06 VanessaE (diplazer, 3dforniture, and ownerhack specifically)
16:06 CWz wats wrong?
16:06 VanessaE looks like 0700 perms on all three
16:07 VanessaE should be at least 0755 unless you have private stuff in there.
16:07 VanessaE but wait, don't change them yet.
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16:13 CWz VanessaE, hmmm
16:13 * Fixer strikes everyone with very large bug
16:14 * CWz uses Mirror Coat
16:14 * Fixer activates snail perk
16:14 * nm0i mews
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16:16 * Void7 activates Super Tree Powers
16:16 * kaadmy revs his chainsaw
16:16 * Fixer crashes everything
16:17 * kaadmy breaks Fixer
16:17 * Void7 runs 'rm -rf /'
16:17 * Void7 disconnects
16:18 Fixer Void7, motherboard damaged by rm -rf /
16:18 * Fixer summons Lennart
16:18 nm0i Oh no. systemd-minetest
16:19 Fixer minetest panics
16:19 Fixer player dumped
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16:30 Yst Systemd with Minetest? That sounds nice. The Minetest server could be started whenever the server boots.
16:31 SmugLeaf writing a systemd unit or rc init script isn't hard
16:33 SmugLeaf http://dpaste.com/267XK1P
16:33 SmugLeaf I was even lazier with my irc setup
16:33 SmugLeaf just /etc/rc.local
16:35 Fixer yep (poker face)
16:35 stdh https://sources.debian.net/src/minetest/0.4.1​3%2Brepack-2/debian/minetest-server.service/
16:35 CWz VanessaE, can i change them now?
16:35 VanessaE not yet.
16:35 CWz VanessaE, what happening?
16:35 VanessaE I think those bad permissions were corrupting my index.mth (by way of find() throwing error messages into it)
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16:36 VanessaE so I'm testing that now
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16:37 VanessaE nope, that wasn't it.
16:37 * VanessaE sighs
16:38 VanessaE even mundane shit like default_apple.png is being missed.
16:38 VanessaE how the hell am I supposed to debug this if I can't see the fucking filenames?
16:38 VanessaE what moron decided that index.mth should be binary?
16:39 rubenwardy what happens if you use a hex editor?
16:39 rubenwardy you might be able to see some ascii codes
16:39 VanessaE oh sure I can see the data in the file, but that's useless if I can't interpret what I'm seeing.
16:39 VanessaE it may as well all be nothing but random numbers.
16:41 Fixer debug all the things
16:42 CWz index.mth is kaput
16:42 SmugLeaf why are your shell scripts piping error messages
16:42 VanessaE SmugLeaf: they weren't.
16:43 SmugLeaf so how did $(find) do bad things
16:43 CWz I hope RealBadAngel is doing okay
16:43 VanessaE he's not.
16:43 VanessaE SmugLeaf: nevermind.
16:45 SmugLeaf okay
16:45 VanessaE that part was a brain-o.  I'm still looking for the problem.
16:46 rubenwardy App is almost done: http://pasteboard.co/2nZsORAN.png
16:46 est O-o
16:47 CWz don't private repos cost cash
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16:47 rubenwardy I'm a university student, and get 5 free
16:48 rubenwardy https://education.github.com/pack
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16:55 DoyleChris need help with linux server
16:56 DoyleChris i compiled it on my RPi server and have the directory in /home/pi/minetest but i dont have a server file to run.
17:00 DoyleChris anybody have a answer
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17:02 VanessaE RPi isn't really good enough to run a decent MT server.
17:03 VanessaE in any case, poke MegaF when he shows up next, I think he has experience with that.
17:05 DoyleChris well the new RPi 2 is a quad-core 1ghz
17:06 DoyleChris so i thought i would try but cant figure out how to get the latest 4.13 version and how to get the mods installed
17:15 Fixer why didn't I buy it before devaluation :/
17:15 VanessaE Fixer: ah HAH, I've fixed the problem.
17:16 VanessaE it wasn't in my scripts.
17:16 VanessaE it was my nginx config, because minetest now uses POST to fetch index.mth (and my nginx was refusing it)
17:16 Fixer oh
17:16 Fixer so i can try now?
17:16 VanessaE wait.
17:16 VanessaE gonna benchmark it first.
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17:17 DoyleChris anybody have knowledge on a linux minetest server
17:17 VanessaE MUCH MUCH better.
17:17 VanessaE media fetched in like 20 seconds
17:17 VanessaE you can try now.
17:17 VanessaE DoyleChris: you mean on a RPi server.
17:17 DoyleChris not just that any linux
17:17 VanessaE RPI != linux, not precisely anyway.
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17:18 DoyleChris its the same setup
17:18 VanessaE I don't have any tips for you except to make sure you actually built the server binary
17:18 DoyleChris i can run the server by typing minetestserver in terminal but trying to add mods
17:19 Fixer st
17:19 VanessaE put your mods in your worldmods dir.
17:19 DoyleChris i compiled from here http://dev.minetest.net/Compil​ing_Minetest#Compiling_on_GNU.2FLinux
17:19 VanessaE e.g. /home/{your_minetest_username}/.min​etest/worlds/{your_world}/worldmods
17:20 Fixer VanessaE, nope, still lots of errors
17:20 DoyleChris then i went and did sudo apt-get minetest-server
17:20 Fixer VanessaE, creative dreambuilder
17:20 VanessaE Fixer: just a bunch of "dummy" errors right?
17:20 DoyleChris then i can run minetestserver it starts i can connect but not sure which directory to put it in
17:21 Fixer VanessaE, http://pastebin.com/raw/1gasA4ry
17:21 VanessaE Fixer: this is all I get for "errors" now, http://pastebin.com/fuqjv5cw
17:21 VanessaE Fixer: update your minetest build then
17:21 Fixer VanessaE, it is 095f623 ._. with some PRs included
17:22 VanessaE lemme keep checking.
17:22 Fixer VanessaE, mar 15 build
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17:22 Fixer VanessaE, 15 march 2016* build
17:23 DoyleChris i dont have a worldmods folder
17:23 VanessaE DoyleChris: then create it.
17:23 VanessaE Fixer: response code 0 means you couldn't connect at all.
17:23 twoelk VanessaE: seen this? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.ph​p?f=10&amp;t=4057&amp;p=204606#p204606
17:23 Fixer VanessaE, but i can download them via browser .___.
17:23 VanessaE I can't do anything about those errors.  it works for me.
17:23 Fixer VanessaE, erase your cache and try again
17:24 * VanessaE growls
17:24 VanessaE twoelk: saw it.  ask bas080 to fix it.
17:25 VanessaE Fixer: http://pastebin.com/Lijs7ZXW
17:25 twoelk havn't noticed him beeing around lately
17:26 VanessaE Fixer: I just slurped down the entire 39 MB of media in like 20 seconds, that paste is just now.
17:26 VanessaE the problem is on your end now.
17:29 DoyleChris can anybody that runs linux tell me where the server files are installed if i use sudo apt-get install minetest-server
17:30 VanessaE DoyleChris: don't use that
17:30 VanessaE it'll be outdated.
17:31 VanessaE (the files will likely be in /usr/bin and /usr/share )
17:31 VanessaE CWz: you can correct those permissions now if you want
17:32 DoyleChris so do i need to compile like i did from this link for new version
17:32 DoyleChris http://dev.minetest.net/Compil​ing_Minetest#Compiling_on_GNU.2FLinux
17:32 VanessaE yeah more or less.
17:32 DoyleChris i did but it didnt give me a minetestserver file
17:34 VanessaE well it's not show there, but you probably need -DBUILD_SERVER=1  in your cmake flags
17:34 VanessaE shown*
17:35 VanessaE in any case it's impossible to help you without build logs etc
17:35 CWz VanessaE, i think i manged to do it
17:35 CWz *managed
17:35 VanessaE ok.
17:36 Fixer VanessaE, connected in 7 minutes
17:37 DoyleChris ill try it again
17:37 VanessaE Fixer: I still say it's your firewall or anti-malware tools getting in the way
17:37 VanessaE you're getting outright connection errors now
17:37 VanessaE I can't fix that.
17:38 Fixer VanessaE, guy
17:38 Fixer guh*
17:38 VanessaE look at your log again.
17:38 VanessaE 2016-03-19 19:19:08: ERROR[CurlFetch]: http://minetest.daconcepts.​com/server-media/index.mth not found (Couldn't connect to server) (response code 0)
17:39 VanessaE there's no way I can even try to fix that.
17:39 VanessaE code 0 is not a valid http response
17:39 VanessaE and "couldn't connect" tells me you're being blocked somewhere.
17:39 Krock 0 means no response
17:39 Fixer VanessaE, i can download it via browser without problem
17:40 VanessaE Fixer: /msg me your IP please
17:40 VanessaE just need to check if my firewall has you blocked.
17:40 VanessaE (there are only three entries, one of which is a /24)
17:41 VanessaE hm, nope.
17:41 VanessaE didn't think so.
17:42 VanessaE Krock: not according to RFC7231 ?
17:42 DoyleChris so add -dbuild_server=1 to the cmake command
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17:43 Krock VanessaE, no, it's just a default status value that must be overwritten with a later function. this didn't happen because it was unable to connect - so it's still at 0
17:45 VanessaE oh ok.
17:45 VanessaE so wtf is causing Fixer's issue?
17:45 VanessaE DoyleChris: no. all caps as I wrote it.
17:45 VanessaE -DBUILD_SERVER=1
17:46 VanessaE but that shouldn't actually be needed at all
17:47 DoyleChris so i add it to this line cmake . -DENABLE_GETTEXT=1 -DENABLE_FREETYPE=1 -DENABLE_LEVELDB=1 -DENABLE_REDIS=1
17:47 VanessaE yeah.
17:48 VanessaE Fixer: check your firewall and anti-malware stuff again.  and check your cURL implementation, maybe the one you're using is buggy.  something's blocking you somewhere.
17:50 est Fixer, do you use a proxy?
17:50 Fixer no
17:50 Fixer est, maybe firewall is rerouting through smth
17:50 Fixer avast crap
17:51 Fixer i've disabled it
17:51 est its avast?
17:51 est interesting
17:51 DoyleChris now im getting source directory dosent exist
17:51 Fixer still errors, firewall is ok
17:51 DoyleChris when i go to run that command
17:51 Fixer i will try sfans build
17:51 est yeah, minecraft wouldn't have had an error, because its the bigger program
17:51 DoyleChris CMake error
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17:52 Fixer est, also CGNAT
17:52 VanessaE wtf is CGNAT
17:52 Fixer carrier grade nat
17:53 VanessaE oh
17:53 VanessaE maybe that's the problem then idk
17:53 Fixer morons, they silently snicked that in, now i can't host anything
17:53 est CGNAT should not be an issue here
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17:54 VanessaE if you can reach the files from the browser, and I can fetch the whole media cache via Minetest client in like 20 seconds, with no http errors, it's something in how your MT client interacts with your network stuff.
17:54 VanessaE that's all I got.
17:55 DoyleChris any ideas on the cmake error
17:56 VanessaE DoyleChris: I told you we can't help you without build logs.
17:56 VanessaE just saying there was an error is like saying your car "won't go".
17:57 DoyleChris i deleted the old directory and trying to compile again
17:57 DoyleChris thats where im getting the error
17:57 SmugLeaf that still means nothing
17:58 Fixer VanessaE, tried sfans build, error 0, error 404 :S
17:58 Fixer f-ing
17:58 DoyleChris i am going to reinstall linux and start off scratch
17:59 VanessaE Fixer: then the problem is somewhere else. it's not on my server, I'm sure of it.
17:59 Fixer VanessaE, i will reset my ADSL crap, hang on
17:59 VanessaE est: can you do a quick clear-the-cache-and-let-it-redownload?
18:00 VanessaE and in particular see if you get any similar errors
18:01 MinetestBot [git] Rui914 -> minetest/minetest: Set acceleration only once in falling node 65c09a9 https://git.io/vaXLG (2016-03-19T17:56:46Z)
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18:01 est VanessaE, where is that cache?
18:01 VanessaE est: on my machine, it is stored in ~/.cache/minetest
18:02 VanessaE (used to be ~/.minetest/cache guess it got moved to comply with linux FHS?)
18:02 est yes
18:02 SmugLeaf VanessaE: halp
18:02 est SN moved it
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18:02 VanessaE what's wrong, SmugLeaf
18:03 SmugLeaf what's the password for Weedy
18:03 SmugLeaf or SmugLeaf
18:03 VanessaE no way for me to tell you that, SmugLeaf.
18:03 VanessaE passwords are stored encrypted.
18:03 SmugLeaf I don't even remember what I signed up with
18:03 SmugLeaf can you tell me if a Weedy or SmugLeaf exists
18:04 VanessaE which server/
18:04 VanessaE ?
18:04 SmugLeaf daconcepts?
18:04 SmugLeaf 30000?
18:04 VanessaE I meant w...yeah
18:04 VanessaE Weedy exists there.
18:04 VanessaE (capital W)
18:04 SmugLeaf the hell password did I use
18:04 Fixer Weedy Builds inc
18:04 VanessaE impossible for me to know, but I can reset it if you want.
18:05 SmugLeaf yeah, do that
18:06 Fixer VanessaE, sometimes error 0
18:06 VanessaE daconcepts                                           => ad-z7441-8.dp.ukrtel.net                             1.71Mb  1.80Mb  1.01Mb
18:06 VanessaE seems like you're pulling a decent rate now
18:07 Fixer VanessaE, yes
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18:07 VanessaE so it's your network config.  something's just generally interfering.
18:07 Fixer VanessaE, rate increased after you fixed nginx
18:07 Fixer VanessaE, no rate was better after fix, but there were still error 0 and sometimes 404
18:07 VanessaE yes, because you're getting most of the files over remote_media, but if you're getting any errors, it's not on my end.
18:08 Fixer VanessaE, and node processing, damn it is slow
18:08 VanessaE yeah, that's normal
18:08 VanessaE that's slow for me, too
18:08 VanessaE the important part is the media.
18:08 Fixer VanessaE, so first connect is like 7 min now, instead of 10+
18:08 VanessaE clear your cache and try it again.
18:09 est VanessaE, whats the port again
18:09 Fixer VanessaE, why? :S
18:09 VanessaE you should be able to pull it down in less than 3 minutes at your speed.
18:09 VanessaE est: 30000.
18:09 Fixer VanessaE, i'm processing nodesw
18:09 SmugLeaf I also got a fast download
18:09 VanessaE Fixer: I mean the media receiving step, specifically.
18:09 SmugLeaf and VanessaE, WHY DOESN"T MINETEST SUPPORT COPY AND PASTE
18:10 VanessaE SmugLeaf: because irrlicht
18:10 est SmugLeaf, its a problem of irrlicht
18:10 est and linux
18:10 VanessaE even current dev builds don't quite work right for that.
18:10 est it works on windows
18:10 SmugLeaf I typoed that reset password 3 times
18:10 VanessaE (though at least the console works as well regarding copy/paste/highlight as the old command dialog box did)
18:12 est lol
18:12 est got a segfault in the process
18:12 VanessaE heh
18:12 exio4 hai
18:12 VanessaE you got enough RAM?
18:13 Fixer VanessaE, errors 404 :(
18:13 VanessaE wow, someone's hitting the server with ipv6
18:13 Fixer VanessaE, many errors again
18:13 VanessaE and it works (!)
18:13 est VanessaE, probably nt
18:13 est not*
18:13 Fixer VanessaE, dl speed is 8 kb/s
18:13 VanessaE Fixer: I can't help you with that.
18:13 Fixer code 0, code 404
18:14 VanessaE I blame that CGNAT shit
18:14 Fixer many of that
18:14 Fixer fuck them
18:14 est worksforme
18:15 VanessaE works for me too :P
18:15 Fixer there is better new optical internet not far from me, it costs a little more, but i will probably move to it, more speed and probably hope no cgnat shit
18:15 VanessaE exio4: can you try?
18:16 Fixer redisabled avast again
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18:17 Fixer crap, same errors, fuck it
18:17 Fixer tired of it
18:17 VanessaE Fixer: re-install your OS, and then complain to your ISP :P
18:17 Fixer VanessaE, why reinstall os?
18:18 VanessaE Fixer: maybe a broken OS.  but I was being sarcastic :P
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18:20 afflatus DoyleChris: I might be able to help you
18:21 afflatus if you're still there that is ...
18:21 Fixer VanessaE, with cgnat i'm basically unable to host anything :( and most ports are not working
18:23 Fixer I"M MAD
18:23 Fixer time to eat :p
18:23 est dam sorry forgot to stop the time
18:23 est but i measured speeeds over 500 kib / s
18:24 Fixer est, no errors 0/404 in console?
18:24 * CWz thinks about making a mod that tell noobs who type gamemode 1 in chat "You're Winner"
18:25 CWz nah they won't get the reference
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18:28 VanessaE est: sounds okay; how fast should it go for you normally?
18:29 est no idea
18:29 VanessaE well what's your pipe? :)
18:29 est 1600
18:30 VanessaE sounds about right then I guess.
18:30 VanessaE mine is a 70 Mbps pipe, I can pull about a third of that with MT.
18:31 VanessaE (I assume the rest is just normal small-file lag)
18:31 est yeah
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18:53 exio4 try what VanessaE
18:53 VanessaE exio4: try a bandwidth test on ve-creative.  clear your cache ( ~/.cache/minetest or ~/.minetest/cache ) and launch minetest from a terminal.  connect to ve-c, time how long it takes to receive the media, and watch for http errors.
18:54 VanessaE (just the "MEdia" part - don't bother timing the "initializing nodes" part)
18:55 exio4 er, I don't have a new Android build
18:55 VanessaE you're only on android??
18:55 exio4 my desktop isn't online
18:55 VanessaE oh.
18:57 exio4 I know :(
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18:58 Guest03348 hi
18:58 exio4 is a ebook reader worth it?
18:58 exio4 an*
18:58 sfan5 do you read a lot of books?
18:59 exio4 I don't, because space and price
18:59 sfan5 then it's not worth it
19:00 exio4 why not?
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19:01 Krock because you won't read many books
19:02 exio4 uf I had one I would read more because it would be cheaper
19:02 exio4 if*
19:02 Fixer i read books on my lenovo yoga, it is awesome for reading, pdf/djvu if you know what i mean
19:02 exio4 but I meant quality wise
19:03 exio4 battery wise, etc
19:04 exio4 laptops are expensive
19:05 exio4 and they suck for long sessions
19:05 exio4 8+ hours reading? your eyes will say nope nope
19:05 sfan5 how about 8 hrs watching porn
19:06 rubenwardy Making an app logo attempt 1: https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/2o8Diyn1.png
19:06 exio4 but, books have that feelin'
19:06 rubenwardy http://pasteboard.co/2o8Diyn1.png
19:06 exio4 so, is the switch to ebooks alright?
19:08 Calinou rubenwardy, looks like a candy tree on the first one
19:08 Calinou also, don't use "long shadow" effect, it's so 2014 :(
19:08 rubenwardy cherry
19:09 rubenwardy that's material design though
19:09 rubenwardy ?
19:09 Calinou no, Material Design does not mandate the use of long shadows
19:09 Calinou http://getmdl.io/components/index.html :)
19:14 Fixer so 2014? lol
19:15 Fixer please give me back my windows classic design from win 2000 and fuck everybody who dislikes it
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19:17 VanessaE Fixer: fuck windows, get debian or one of the ubuntu derivatives.
19:17 VanessaE :)
19:17 Fixer easy, clean and simple, now it is hipsters and UI changes everyday without reason
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19:17 VanessaE XFCE probably would meet your needs nicely.
19:17 Fixer every release there is fucking UI redesign :(
19:17 DoyleChris Vanessae
19:17 VanessaE yes?
19:18 DoyleChris is there a way to increase the water pump pressure in pipeworks
19:18 Fixer VanessaE, i do lean towards XFCE, but don't like some aspects of it, memory usage is too high, and default panels need some configuring
19:18 Calinou https://lut.im/I3e2h3uuAH/prgDqOJM0w1PGdyj.png
19:18 Calinou this is my desktop
19:19 VanessaE DoyleChris: in the master branch, no, not really.  in the new_flow_logic branch, use more pumps.  they're additive/linear, so two will fill a pipeline twice as fast as one.
19:19 Calinou I use https://github.com/horst3180/arc-theme and https://github.com/snwh/paper-icon-theme
19:19 VanessaE but no one likes that branch
19:19 VanessaE Fixer: memory usage is high??
19:19 Calinou this is my Mumble, with MetroMumble dark theme: https://lut.im/Cs35QORtTh/M8DFt9134LzsEXyi.png
19:19 Calinou and my HexChat: https://lut.im/CEmuPSnD1B/4yzGYBeWJg6BbWFl.png
19:19 Fixer VanessaE, well, over 100 mb for such functionality, jeez
19:19 Calinou looks pretty and dark :)
19:19 Calinou great for working at night
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19:20 Void7 here is my desktop :)
19:20 Fixer Calinou, if your eyes are ok, my have problems and reads like crap on such backgrounds :(
19:20 Void7 https://lut.im/nLaaSUqTtQ/oU0x4bkE3TmDxSZk.png
19:20 kaadmy :D
19:21 VanessaE Fixer: 100 MB isn't a lot of memory these days.
19:21 Fixer VanessaE, don't say these words
19:22 Fixer VanessaE, or they will use gigabytes soon
19:22 Fixer I have 8 gb of RAM, and FUCK YOU SKYPE (200 mb for a shitty window with few functions in systray is too much)
19:23 Fixer 200 mb for pos
19:23 DoyleChris waiting on my os to reinstall on my pi
19:23 Fixer pfff
19:24 sfan5 Fixer: >skype
19:24 sfan5 >2016
19:24 rubenwardy Fixer, https://www.nngroup.com/articl​es/flat-design-long-exposure/
19:24 Fixer VanessaE, after that infamous crap with http-crashing, updated skype 5 to 7, memory usage doubled, fucking assholes
19:24 rubenwardy your ui message reminded me of that
19:24 Calinou Skype::SpyingModule
19:24 Calinou that function is taking a lot of RAM
19:24 * Calinou runs
19:24 VanessaE well that's skype, a microshaft product.
19:25 Fixer rubenwardy, tired of flat, now buttons is text, f-ing hipsters
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19:29 Fixer sfan5, what now? viber, tox, etc?
19:29 sfan5 depends
19:29 sfan5 what do you use skype for
19:29 Fixer recently I've needed to register viber
19:29 Fixer so i downloaded PC version
19:29 rubenwardy Facebook has added video chat
19:29 sfan5 isn't viber mainly a phone app?
19:31 Fixer sfan5, but if they provide PC version, why the hell i need to install it on the phone? it has symbian OS anyway, why they don't let me activate it via PC?
19:31 Fixer this is bullshit
19:31 sfan5 >symbian phone
19:31 sfan5 do you like in 2004?
19:31 Fixer sfan5, fathers phone
19:31 sfan5 s/like/live/
19:31 sfan5 anyway
19:31 Fixer sfan5, good phone
19:31 sfan5 get an android phone
19:31 Fixer sfan5, i have android 2.3 phone
19:32 sfan5 too old
19:32 Fixer nope
19:32 Fixer sfan5, buy me a new one :}
19:32 sfan5 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
19:32 Fixer sfan5, it works good, no need to update
19:33 sfan5 did you ever have the need to use a modern app like whatsapp
19:33 Fixer sfan5, camera, calls, sms, internet is all i need, why do i need to spend money again on a same thing, just with newer OS?
19:33 Fixer sfan5, nope, most of the contacts use skype
19:33 sfan5 >calls & sms
19:33 Fixer and it is installed on PC
19:33 sfan5 what is this thing
19:33 sfan5 if that an app
19:33 sfan5 everyone just uses whatsapp (here in germany at least)
19:34 Fixer sfan5, depends on prices of the internet via mobile
19:35 sfan5 very expensive here in germany
19:35 Fixer sfan5, ugh
19:35 sfan5 still everyone uses whatsapp
19:35 Fixer that needs evaluation
19:35 Fixer what costs more
19:35 sfan5 sms
19:36 Fixer sms is pricy
19:36 sfan5 also how you're gonna send videos or images
19:36 Fixer sfan5, via skype
19:36 Fixer sfan5, connect phone to PC -> skype -> whatever
19:37 sfan5 you don't feel the need to communicate while not on your computer?
19:37 Fixer sfan5, nope
19:37 sfan5 wat
19:37 sfan5 how does that work
19:38 sfan5 great
19:38 Fixer sfan5, i only transfer files via flash-drives or skype, end of story
19:38 sfan5 xfce4-panel broke because a window vanished while i was opening the context menu of that window
19:38 sfan5 yeah files
19:38 sfan5 what about pictures
19:38 Fixer sfan5, pictures = files
19:38 sfan5 you don't take any?
19:38 sfan5 i'm aware
19:39 Fixer i have DSLR camera for picture
19:39 Fixer s
19:39 Fixer camera in phone is 2mp crap so I use it rarely
19:40 sfan5 you clearly need a better phone to understand what this is about
19:40 Fixer sfan5, no i don't, i hate sign up to 1000 of services which i will use rarely
19:40 Fixer and it will drain my battery in one day
19:40 sfan5 1000 services?
19:41 sfan5 it's mostly just everyone uses whatapp
19:41 sfan5 some people also use snapchat
19:41 sfan5 and that's it
19:41 Fixer skype, viber, whatsup, facebook, mail, google drive, whatever
19:41 Fixer this is nuts
19:41 Fixer if you need files, send them via mail and don't bother me :}
19:42 sfan5 how are all those related to your phone
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19:42 sfan5 you apparently already have them
19:42 Fixer sfan5, btw, is there small android phones still available? or hipsters ruined it again and phones are like big tablets?
19:42 VanessaE we have a smartphone and have only signed up with, I think, two services (including google).  works beautifully.
19:42 sfan5 small phones exist yes
19:43 Fixer sfan5, no, i have mail and skype, thats it, problem is that other people have lots of different crap, so i need to sign up everywhere
19:43 Fixer to be really connected
19:43 VanessaE tell those people to go suck eggs.
19:43 Fixer my way is usually fuck you: just send via email
19:43 VanessaE you don't have to sign up with stuff you don't want.
19:43 rubenwardy Calinou, more like this? http://pasteboard.co/2ob6UzFf.png
19:44 Krock where's the oerkki? :(
19:44 Fixer Krock, they are here, at least on ESM
19:44 Krock ESM - ehm sorry what?
19:44 Fixer Krock, oops, you mean on the picture?
19:45 Krock no, I mean the link that leads to a site with a picture
19:45 Fixer Krock, behind the tree
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19:45 Fixer :]
19:45 Krock no no, oerkkis are always in the dark
19:46 rubenwardy I started simplifying the logo then stopped, but didn't add the oerkkis back
19:46 rubenwardy Material design likes simple shapes
19:46 rubenwardy but there's no way to do that that I can see without redrawing
19:46 rubenwardy so I decided not to do it
19:46 Fixer also, on a side note, whats up with all this cancer in the MT chats? kids talking about it, wth?
19:47 rubenwardy kids are stupid
19:47 Fixer or they just playing?
19:47 rubenwardy well
19:47 rubenwardy you know what I mean
19:47 Fixer hard to tell
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19:47 Fixer things like, i'm 16 and i'm pregnant with twins
19:47 Fixer not sure if troll or real
19:48 Fixer or maybe it is some 40 yr old guy from USA
19:48 Fixer open source developer
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19:50 Fixer or worse
19:52 Fixer some guy went nuts, and managed to make this http://storage4.static.itmages.ru/i/15/0​630/h_1435625305_6866000_8672613bc0.png
19:53 Fixer that windows 95 feel
19:53 Fixer i wonder if that PCs with 4 mb of ram are still in schools
19:55 rubenwardy I wouldn't have wanted to go to those schools
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19:57 Fixer i visited my school not long ago, but everything was closed except my class were i was 10 yrs ago :(
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20:06 DoyleChris vanessae what was the command for the server compile
20:10 VanessaE DoyleChris: I build using this script:   http://pastebin.com/Di14XAmD
20:10 VanessaE your environment likely will be different since it's a RPi
20:11 DoyleChris its still linux
20:11 VanessaE yeah but it ain't x86.
20:11 VanessaE it's ARM or some such
20:12 VanessaE idk how that works when building something
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20:12 DoyleChris I can try
20:14 DoyleChris how do you run the script
20:14 VanessaE you just..um...run it?
20:14 VanessaE but again that script probably will not work for you as-is
20:15 DoyleChris i copied into the terminal and nothing
20:15 VanessaE a script is something you have to save as a file, EDIT IT to your needs, and then run it with ./whatever_you_saved_it_as
20:15 VanessaE e.g. ./build_server.sh or something.
20:21 Fixer lol
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20:22 sfan5 i cant remove suggested live streams from my yt suggestions
20:22 sfan5 google pls
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20:25 Fixer wat?
20:27 Fixer btw, i've heared google canceled that google+yt thing, wanted to comment in one video, and... it wants to create some profile, wth?
20:27 Fixer i don't want to create a profile
20:27 Fixer want to add simple comment, very rarely
20:28 Calinou rubenwardy, looks nice
20:47 rubenwardy woah
20:48 rubenwardy I just found a page documenting the padding icons should have. I then put rules in inkscape where the padding should be and I already have the right padding!
20:48 rubenwardy like exactly
20:58 rubenwardy Calinou, https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/2og1IeNv.png
21:01 Calinou only 720×1280? :(
21:02 Calinou my phone is 1440×2560 :)
21:03 rubenwardy stfu
21:05 Dragonop lmao
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21:08 Swervz Hi is there a way to change the fov in minetest. default is unbearable
21:09 Swervz please
21:10 ssieb Swervz: if you have a dev minetest, it's in the advanced settings.  Otherwise you have to edit the config file.
21:10 * ssieb has no idea why it would need to be changed though...
21:11 Swervz A developer version?
21:11 Swervz I have the stable release, do you know what config it is? thanks
21:11 Swervz I cant play a game unless hte fov is around 90
21:12 Calinou Swervz, in Minetest, the FOV is vertical, default is 72 I think.
21:12 Calinou edit your minetest.conf, add: "fov = 80"
21:12 Calinou for higher FOV
21:12 Calinou but 90 is probably too high for most people :)
21:12 Calinou since it's vertical, and not horizontal
21:12 Swervz hmm
21:13 Swervz Wouldnt this work? http://www.rjdown.co.uk/proj​ects/bfbc2/fovcalculator.php
21:13 Swervz I used it to make the fov in arma 2 90 and I think arma uses verticle fov
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21:16 Swervz This game is relly nice
21:16 Swervz Minecraft performs so badly becuase of java
21:19 Calinou no:
21:19 Calinou - Minecraft 1.9 performs quite well, it's very optimized
21:19 Calinou - Modern versions of Java are fast. Often 90% as fast as C++
21:20 Swervz I seem to be getting about 65% more fps in this game than vanilla minecraft
21:20 Calinou some optimizations landed in Minetest recently (VBO), they will be available in 0.4.14
21:20 Swervz nice
21:20 Swervz i really perfer c++ to java to be honest
21:21 Calinou yeah but C++ is quite harder than Java
21:21 Swervz eh
21:22 Swervz I started to learn c++ and it was fun
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21:26 Swervz Thanks for that fov setting its alot better now.
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21:36 nrzkt can someone test the connection to my server (86.246.185.40 port 30000) please ? i need to do a test
21:42 Fixer okay
21:43 rubenwardy My bank decided to block my payment to play.google.com as being suspicious. I hate being on hold so much
21:44 cat5e can anyone help me port minetest to rust?
21:44 Fixer o_0
21:44 rubenwardy lol
21:44 cat5e C++ sucks
21:45 Fixer nrzkt, started downloaded, downloaded some more, then access denied: could not download
21:45 Fixer nrzkt, now connection timeout
21:45 Fixer cat5e, please port it from irrlicht to ogre
21:45 * Fixer runs
21:46 sofar unreal engine?
21:46 cat5e ???
21:46 Swervz ogre..
21:46 nrzkt i cut it :p
21:46 nrzkt Calinou, tested it
21:46 nrzkt thanks Fixer :)
21:47 nrzkt Uhrno 3d
21:47 nrzkt Urho 3d*
21:47 Swervz Don't be knocking ogre now
21:47 Fixer cat5e, fuck the rust, you are starting porting to ogre!11
21:48 sfan5 !up 86.246.185.40
21:48 MinetestBot 86.246.185.40:30000 seems to be down
21:48 Swervz Rigs of rods was made in ogre
21:48 Swervz made with ogre*
21:48 cat5e rust is better than C++
21:49 sofar completely baseless statement
21:49 cat5e rust is small compared to C++, so you can actually learn it
21:49 sofar there's stuff you can't do in rust, and there's stuff rust does that C++ makes hard to do
21:49 sfan5 what about c and rust
21:49 sofar but swiping statements about programming language are nonsense
21:50 cat5e rust is small compared to C++, so you can actually learn it
21:50 sofar again
21:50 cat5e that makes rust better than C++
21:50 Swervz Strawman argument
21:50 sofar you're just generalizing
21:50 sofar logical fallacy much?
21:50 Calinou rubenwardy, publish to F-Droid :)
21:51 Calinou and as direct .apk
21:51 * Calinou learned recently that one can download Firefox for Android in .apk form…
21:51 Swervz sofar: Thats what a strawman argument is
21:51 sofar I know
21:51 cat5e Swervz, what do you mean?
21:51 cat5e I only said rust is better than C++ because rust is learnable
21:52 sofar cat5e: ""you're making an unbased claim, therefore you must be stupid""
21:52 sfan5 Calinou: f-droid is not the solution if you want to publish an app to the "general public"
21:52 Swervz cat5e: "HUUR DURR C++ TOO HARD"
21:52 Calinou yes but such an app doesn't need to be available to the general public, probably
21:52 cat5e Swervz, C++ stdlib is INSANE compared to rust stdlib
21:52 rubenwardy I will publish to F-Droid at a later date
21:52 rubenwardy but not a priority
21:52 nm0i f-droid has in its name what it thinks about "general public"
21:52 rubenwardy maybe tomorrow I will
21:53 cat5e I wish C++ would just deprecate half its stdlib :/
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21:53 Swervz C++ is so nice
21:54 Krock C--
21:54 Krock C was increased too much today.. had to decrease again
21:54 Calinou C+=
21:54 cat5e rust macros are just as powerful as C++ templates
21:55 Swervz Use asm
21:55 Krock powerful as in "needs much more power to calculate"?
21:55 rubenwardy I feel like cat5e is just here to troll
21:55 cat5e Krock, powerful as in turing-complete
21:55 Krock feed the trolls! It's boring here
21:55 Swervz rubenwardy: obviously
21:55 cat5e rubenwardy, nah I just noticed one of the minetest devs hangs around rust chats and stuff
21:55 Krock we also need global warming because trump has cold in NY
21:55 Fixer cat5e, first port it to ogre3d, than we can talk about rust ._.
21:56 Swervz Use cryengine becuase it looks better /s
21:57 Calinou celeron55 wrote Buildat which is a Minetest-style game using Urho3D
21:57 Calinou it's not being worked on anymore
21:57 Hijiri C-- exists
21:57 Hijiri it's an intermediate language for haskell compilation I think
21:57 Swervz minecraft clone using ogre3d?
21:57 cat5e Fixer, except ogre3d is a C++ engine and rust is a programming language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki​/Rust_(programming_language)
21:58 nrzkt cat5e, i presume you are talking about glibc++. Yes bsd libc++ is better :p
21:59 Swervz So can I talk offtopic in here
22:01 Fixer Krock, global warming, mmm, https://41.media.tumblr.com/b3e76c77c47ca0d5e1e5​7c1e901f528a/tumblr_o3zrtrHltg1v33hszo1_1280.png
22:01 Krock ^^
22:01 Krock his beautiful hair
22:01 Krock *cough*
22:02 Fixer Krock, also, this one http://40.media.tumblr.com/9b0997f11ae692c8ef50​48f85bd64f5a/tumblr_o444acvoPb1v33hszo1_500.jpg
22:03 Krock no ide why but this reminds me to the "let's draw mohammed"-day
22:03 Krock *idea
22:03 Swervz Meanwhile https://i.sli.mg/p6JkHu.png
22:04 Fixer Krock, http://41.media.tumblr.com/db98da01ca19abe3adcc7​c8d07d429c1/tumblr_o1wacd3ksL1v33hszo1_1280.jpg
22:04 Swervz Wow thats really high energy
22:05 Krock \o/ image party
22:05 Swervz http://imgur.com/pB7nG5x
22:05 Swervz poor kid
22:06 Krock and now it's bernie's fault
22:08 Swervz https://i.imgur.com/mYrfEq7.jpg
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22:09 MinetestBot Wuzzy: 01-15 18:20 UTC <kaadmy> is there a way to change the language in the Tutorial subgame/world?
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22:11 Wuzzy kaadmy, are u there?
22:11 DoyleChris I am able to run the server but its not happy
22:12 DoyleChris saying system wide share not found
22:12 DoyleChris and when i connect it dosent say that i connected and my connection times out.
22:12 Wuzzy I know the answer to your question, kaadmy, it is “Yes.”. Either change system language or change language variable in minetest.conf. I am not sure which works
22:13 Wuzzy how does MinetestBot work?
22:18 rubenwardy kaadmy, 2016-01-15
22:19 rubenwardy MinetestBot has only recently had !tell fixed
22:19 sfan5 Wuzzy: in short, it doens't
22:21 DoyleChris any idea on the server error
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22:26 rubenwardy DoyleChris, did you run sudo make install?
22:26 rubenwardy How did you get Minetest?
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22:36 DoyleChris no i used this compile instructions http://dev.minetest.net/Compil​ing_Minetest#Compiling_on_GNU.2FLinux
22:37 DoyleChris now i can join the server after running singleplayer server,  but now i still get the system-wide share not found and couldnt find local directory
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22:50 DoyleChris just trying to figure out the share problem
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23:13 DoyleChris how do you give yourself admin rights on your own server
23:14 swift110 hey all
23:15 DoyleChris anybody
23:16 swift110 DoyleChris: if anyone knows they will answer you
23:18 DoyleChris ok found it did a little digging
23:19 swift110 good to hear
23:19 melzua DoyleChris: in minetest.conf from the server: name = <the admin player name>
23:19 swift110 how long have you been playing minetest DoyleChris
23:19 melzua DoyleChris: and the when you log in the game woth this name, grant <adminname> all
23:19 melzua then*
23:20 DoyleChris last feb
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23:23 swift110 thats cool DoyleChris I have played it and I like it quite a bit
23:24 melzua DoyleChris: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/b​lob/master/minetest.conf.example#L1445
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23:41 DoyleChris where is the log file for the server kept
23:42 DoyleChris running a server is so screwed up
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