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00:06 afflatus Is there a way of cropping the map db to say, 200 node radius? I'm looking for an external python script or something to directly manipulate the db
00:08 afflatus I'm getting fairly constant freeze ups, which I guess is memory overloads or something. MT is pretty shit about giving useful error messages and running gdb is out of the question when it's busy
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00:15 afflatus I'm at breaking point with this. I may as well just go shout at the sky ...
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00:27 Taoki Hey there. Is there any news on RealBadAngel? It's been over a week since his heart attack... someone must know something.
00:28 sofar no news.
00:28 kaadmy Taoki: heart attack?
00:29 sofar that's pretty much all we know.
00:29 Taoki kaadmy: He had a heart attack about 10 days ago. If what I heard is correct, it's a miracle he was saved at the scene. We heard he might be in a coma however...
00:29 Taoki Erm, to clarify: That he was "still unconscious" after the attack. If he hasn't responded in so long, that's a suspicion.
00:31 Dragonop :/
00:49 FreeFull That doesn't sound good ):
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01:16 basil60 Hi wondering whether the minetest server should have a world folder inside the bin folder?
01:17 sofar if you built with -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1, then that can happen I think
01:17 basil60 sofar: hi again, can I safely remove it?
01:18 sofar why not back it up first?
01:19 basil60 sofar: minetest starts Ok, but doesn't have the inventory I once had. just trying to sort out what's going on
01:20 sofar you just lost players/basil60
01:21 basil60 sofar: different interface for inventory, range in inv
01:24 basil60 sofar: on the minetest client, it doesn't show the mods I've installed on the server. Is that normal? If I click the mods tab - it used to show all the mods I'd installed. Restarted server, still not showing the extensive inv that came with carbone-ng
01:24 sofar mods are a server-side thing
01:24 sofar the client doesn't need or use them
01:25 basil60 sofar: the client used to show them that's all
01:25 sofar then you had downloaded a copy of them
01:25 sofar did you not reinstall your client?
01:25 sofar we also switched your server to game = minetest, remember?
01:26 basil60 sofar: no, I'm using a portable version now. Make a difference?
01:26 sofar you don't need mods on your client, so
01:26 basil60 sofar: fixed worlds.mt
01:27 basil60 sofar: and restarted with different command line
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01:33 bashterm hello?
01:33 sofar yes?
01:36 nm0i no
01:40 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Default: New jungletree_top texture f80fafb https://git.io/v2NAf (2016-03-06T01:32:11Z)
01:40 MinetestBot [git] kilbith -> minetest/minetest_game: Add steel ladder 7f31787 https://git.io/v2NAJ (2016-03-06T01:31:36Z)
01:40 MinetestBot [git] red-001 -> minetest/minetest_game: Fix markdown formating in `game_api.txt`. 68f5740 https://git.io/v2NAU (2016-03-06T01:30:58Z)
01:40 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Default/craftitems: Fix whitespace and code style issues 6c6cc21 https://git.io/v2NAT (2016-03-06T01:30:40Z)
01:41 basil60 sofar: any thoughts why my inv would be back to basic, rather than the upgraded style I had before, with about 12 pages of in items? No changes made to the server.
01:43 basil60 sofar: when I start tje client, it broadcasts, theis is the minimal development test game....
01:44 basil60 sofar: yet I start it with "./minetestserver --gameid carbone-ng --worldname world"
01:45 basil60 sofar: world.mt has gameid = carbone-ng
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01:51 sofar rename the game folder to "carbone" and use "carbone" everywhere instead of "carbone-ng"
01:52 basil60 sofar: ok
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01:55 bashterm hello?
01:56 bashterm I was wondering if there was anything that a programmer with little experience could do to contribute to the project.
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01:58 sofar bashterm: plenty. Check out github.com/minetest/minetest and github.com/minetest/minetest_game
02:02 basil60 sofar: all good now
02:02 basil60 sofar: do biomes work out of minetest vanilla, or do they need to be installed as a mod?
02:08 sofar they're made my mapgens, they're in the default game
02:09 basil60 sofar: I don't play much. A school wants to use my server - do some farming. Will they have weather affect their crops?
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02:18 basil60 sofar: thanks for all your help
02:20 basil60 Can the cycle of days etc be sped up on the minetest server?
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02:31 srifqi Of course, basil60. Just set time_speed in your minetest.conf. (default 72, higher value = faster)
02:32 srifqi 72 = 20min. 360 = 4min. 1 = 24hr.
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02:55 kaadmy srifqi: cycle in minutes = (24*60)/time_speed
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05:25 bashterm hello.
05:26 bashterm I'm a beginner-go-intermediate programmer with experience in java looking to write a bit of practical code, instead of many exercises. I was wondering if there was any simple code that needed to be written for the minetest project at my level. thanks!
05:36 sofar bashterm: did you look at the minetest git project?
05:36 sofar bashterm: there's plenty to do, favor any type of specific project?
05:37 bashterm ive checked out the project on github but I don't really know where to start.
05:38 sofar ah, well, I suggest perhaps getting familiar with the design of minetest first then - are you interested in perhaps writing mod code (lua) or core code (c++) ?
05:40 bashterm probably start with mod code. I've experimented with modding in the past
05:43 sofar I maintain a large mod collection with a group at github.com/minetest-mods
05:43 bashterm ok. I'll take a look
05:43 sofar they're very diverse, feel free to nose around and if you see something you might want to code up, ask me
05:47 bashterm The crops mod interests me. What code needs to be implemented there>
05:48 bashterm *?]
05:51 sofar hmmm that's a good question
05:51 sofar it's one of my own mods
05:53 sofar I don't have a TODO list for it, or do I?
05:53 bashterm ah.
05:53 bashterm there wasn't one in the files
05:53 sofar no, neither are there any bugs open
05:56 sofar I was thinking of making the humidity part optional, so it can be disabled with a config flag
05:56 bashterm ok. I'll try that out.
05:56 sofar do you know how github works?
05:57 bashterm yeah. I actually have a few projects of my own going.
05:59 bashterm by humidity do you mean hydration?
06:00 sofar so the parts that would become optional are the hygrometer, the watering can, and the code that dries out plants
06:00 sofar hydration/humidity yes
06:04 bashterm ok. It may take me a while. I'm still not the most experienced with lua
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07:09 GeHa How to activate textures in new version ?
07:12 sofar use the 'texturepacks' tab in the main menu
07:19 GeHa wwwow thanks, I will try
07:34 GeHa where does it look for them ?  now its empty
07:35 sofar you have to download them
07:35 sofar https://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?f=4
07:37 GeHa i know its .minetest  but the three folders base pack textures makes me ewww where :)
07:37 sofar ~/.minetest/textures/
07:41 GeHa Thank you very much. I had old minetest home dir so the textures folder was not obvious for me.
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08:32 everamzah sneak jumping up a mgv7 cave with sprint: https://youtu.be/p99iqNQaOsY?t=50s
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13:06 srifqi Anybody knows how ObjectRef:moveto() and Player:get_look_*() works?
13:08 srifqi At least, how to use it.
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14:51 afflatus If I'm running mods from worldmods dir inside the world directory what effect do settings in world.mt have?
14:52 afflatus Should I actually remove the references to those mods entirely?
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14:56 twoelk afflatus, if you have the same mod active from different folders don't you get a mod conflict message?
14:57 * twoelk might have understood the question wrong
14:59 afflatus This is running a server as a dedicated user - I'm fairly sure it doesn't have access to any other mods
14:59 Megaf now, that's a long song and good for working https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqESkzvh1f0
15:00 afflatus Although I've been struggling with this for the past few days, so I may be missing something completely obvious due to brain death :D
15:00 afflatus But actually I don't think so
15:01 afflatus I think mods in worldmods get loaded regardless of world.mt settings
15:01 twoelk I always thought so
15:01 afflatus I'm just trying to find the place where that is documented :/
15:02 twoelk mods in worldfolder are sort of hardcoded to the map
15:02 afflatus Right, so if I want to disle them I'm going to actually have to remove them from the folder
15:02 afflatus disable*
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15:03 twoelk btw afflatus, did you see the links I posted on your server forum thread?
15:03 * afflatus looks
15:04 afflatus Oh brilliant tyvm
15:04 twoelk I think only those in the mods folder in the root folder can be toggled, all others in game and worldfolder can not
15:04 afflatus :)
15:06 afflatus yep that's roughly what I thought ok
15:06 afflatus I'm going to have look at lag01's script - I'll test it on a backup first, naturally.
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15:08 afflatus twoelk: much appreciated thanks
15:09 twoelk do fly around to watch how mapgen kicks in again - it sometimes surprises with wierd effcts
15:11 afflatus Yes I've experienced a lot of lightbugs after using recover.py in the past
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15:36 cd2 hi :D
15:41 kaadmy hi
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17:05 afflatus So I can more or less blank world.mt as I'm not running any mods outside the game or world dir. Probably won't make much difference, but it will be cleaner.
17:11 afflatus My co-admin has just confirmed that the crashes / freezes happen when people are exploring / building 2k+ from spawn or mining  -2k and deeper. So it may be worth using worldedge as a workaround until I can afford a more powerful server box.
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17:14 twoelk note that worldedge teleports people to the other side
17:14 afflatus Does it?? That could be quite funny :)
17:15 twoelk I also use stay_inside especially for those that fall, can't remember where I got it from though
17:15 afflatus I'm sure I can come up with some in-game justification for that :D
17:15 afflatus I'll look it up thx
17:15 twoelk building roads along the axis through origin gives a nice endless warp impression
17:17 afflatus Well it's better than the groundhog day effect caused by reverting db corruption
17:18 twoelk my roman map is limited to +-500 and has a nice central road cross. the stay inside catches those that go too deep before they get caught by worldedge
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17:21 * afflatus grumbles about lag01's python formatting, somewhat pointlessly
17:27 twoelk https://github.com/HybridDog/stay_inside <- there it is
17:29 afflatus Most excellent, thank you :)
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17:31 afflatus ok, later ...
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18:10 kaeza o/
18:11 sfan5 \o
18:12 Obani ~o~
18:13 sofar hello
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18:16 Megaf (o_o)/
18:16 Megaf The Prodigy - Invaders Must Die
18:16 Megaf nice melody
18:16 Megaf so, I'm working on my website listening to this playlist for concentration, so far it has been working very well. https://play.spotify.com/user/johanb​rook/playlist/2mtlhuFVOFMn6Ho3JmrLc2
18:17 Megaf Obani, Haven't I seen you on my server once?
18:18 Megaf kaeza, How are things in your land? Hows the weather?
18:18 kaeza shit, and nice :)
18:18 Megaf what is shit and what's nice?
18:19 kaeza things in your land -> shit, weather -> nice
18:19 sofar it's the same on the other side of the border ;)
18:20 Megaf kaeza, oh, well, ok
18:20 kaeza Megaf, how's it going over there?
18:21 Megaf kaeza, well, on the land I live things are ok... weather is cold and I'm trying to accept a 4 year relationship break up =/
18:21 kaeza Megaf, oh, that sucks :/
18:21 Megaf concentrating on my website now, will work as freelance while I don't get a proper job
18:22 Megaf I have one month to get money to pay the rent, otherwise bye bye this country and hello old country
18:22 Megaf s/get money/get job that gives enough money
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18:23 Megaf I'm optimist anyways, I'm sure there's people in need for a person who knows stuff about computers, servers, gnu/linux, windows server or photography
18:24 Megaf kaeza, ^
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20:37 juraj_ hi, could i please ask question about minetest api and server performance ?
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20:39 juraj_ what is the most resource consuming functions from globalstep, abm or after ?
20:40 est31 depends on the mods and what you do
20:40 sofar right
20:40 juraj_ do i save some performance using i.e. one globalstep functions with another functions inside of it
20:40 est31 there is a profiler somewhere
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20:40 juraj_ or using more functions what are using separate abm, globalstep...
20:41 juraj_ i am spawning entities with abm
20:42 juraj_ but it seems after a time, the servers get laggy
20:42 juraj_ with too much abms ?
20:42 juraj_ not 100% sure about that though
20:42 juraj_ *too many
20:46 Calinou O_o
20:46 Calinou is this a known bug?
20:46 Calinou I'm in a state where I can't open console, open chat or open menu (Escape)
20:46 Calinou using latest Git
20:47 Calinou compiled like 20 minutes ago
20:47 Amaz That's happened to me several times Calinou
20:47 Calinou had to exit through alt+f4
20:47 est31 O.o
20:47 est31 you dont know how to reproduce do you
20:48 Calinou nope
20:48 Amaz It seems to occur randomly
20:48 Calinou it happened after a CTF match
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21:09 Dragonop Talking about that, clicking on a formspec quickly a few times, near a button or something, will make the game stop, and crash
21:10 Guest65047 how come my nickname is registered ?
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21:13 est31 Guest77835, do /msg NickServ info SaKeL
21:14 est31 Calinou, Amaz can you open inventory in that mode?
21:16 Calinou haven't tried, but I could open a chest
21:18 ssieb We've been running into an issue on my server where if you place a furnace or other object with a formspec, you can't open it until someone in the area reconnects or you go far enough away (I'm assuming it unloads the block) and then come back.
21:19 ssieb It doesn't happen every time, but often enough to be really annoying.
21:19 est31 hmm
21:19 est31 you arent the first person who reports this
21:19 est31 can you open an issue on the minetest issue tracker
21:20 est31 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues
21:20 ssieb No?  I mentioned it yesterday in #minetest-dev.  There have been others?
21:20 est31 ah it was you...
21:20 ssieb :-)
21:20 est31 mhh still worth a report
21:21 ssieb I would try to git bisect, but I guess I should setup another server to test it with because I don't know what effect running the server version backwards would do to an existing world.
21:21 everamzah ssieb: me too, and i've been reverting a specific commit every time i pull minetest because of it
21:21 ssieb everamzah: oh, that's handy then.  What commit?
21:22 everamzah https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commi​t/e17fbb31d6db3e6d2d9b68f5793ad8b2146f7bcc
21:22 everamzah e17fbb31
21:22 est31 everamzah, file a bug if there is a problem with it lol
21:22 everamzah i was waiting to see if anyone else had this problem, or if it was just me
21:23 est31 i see
21:23 ssieb I just discovered it yesterday.
21:23 everamzah i've talked about it a number of times in this channel, -project, and -dev
21:23 everamzah now that i see 1 other person has this problem i will make an issue
21:23 everamzah i'm super curious, tho, whether his reverting that commit fixes his issue
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21:26 ssieb hmm, definitely looks relevant
21:26 everamzah i made an issue, i hope it's not too confusing
21:26 everamzah afk
21:27 ssieb everamzah: number?
21:28 everamzah https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/3821
21:28 ssieb I will test it.
21:44 rubenwardy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWjP77TztTQ
21:44 rubenwardy Portal has come to VR
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21:48 est31 lol
22:08 sofar "oh, it's you"
22:09 sofar I should upload that to devopsreactions
22:15 est31 you shouldnt have said that word
22:15 est31 the gifs there are funny
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22:25 bashterm Hello
22:26 bashterm Hello
22:31 sofar sup bashterm
22:31 bashterm Not much. How did the code look?
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22:47 nolsen VOTE TRUMP 4 PREZ
22:48 rubenwardy lol
22:48 sofar bashterm: you never finished the PR
22:48 sofar bashterm: it takes 2 clicks to submit it
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22:53 bashterm2 OK. I submitted the PR finally
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22:57 est31 nolsen, only if the trump walll is built with air:air :)
22:57 bashterm est31 sounds good to me
22:58 nolsen They're bringing drugs
22:58 nolsen They're bringing crime
22:58 nolsen They're est31
22:58 nolsen And some, I assume are good people.
22:58 bashterm There will always be drugs and crime
22:58 est31 nolsen, you forgot the rapists
22:58 * nolsen builds a wall around est31's computer.
22:58 nolsen 600 mile wide wall
22:59 bashterm Interesting. I bet I can get through
22:59 Dragonop glitch through the wall
22:59 nolsen bashterm: You dam illegal immigrant, STOP TAKING OUR JEBS
22:59 nolsen HE TOK UOR JEWBS
22:59 nolsen JOBS*
22:59 bashterm Your jebs? I think jeb is fine
22:59 est31 hes out of the race
22:59 nolsen He tuk our jowbs
23:00 est31 because he had bad polls
23:00 bashterm And i'm unemployed
23:00 bashterm I like bernie tho
23:01 nolsen ...
23:01 nolsen Ew bernie
23:01 nolsen ew hillary
23:01 nolsen ew democrats
23:01 nolsen trump or rubio.
23:01 bashterm neither
23:01 bashterm I'm about that free software, free country, etc.
23:01 rubenwardy I can't tell if nolsen is being serious XD
23:02 bashterm Same
23:02 bashterm considering that he used the word 'ew' i think that he might be joking, but one can never be sure
23:02 nolsen rubenwardy: I am being serious.
23:02 Dragonop lmao
23:03 rubenwardy Lol
23:03 bashterm Ok. rotflol
23:03 est31 havent you heard
23:03 nolsen I heard
23:03 est31 trump himself uses h1b in his casinos
23:03 rubenwardy I suggest keeping political discussions out of a game IRC channel, and into somewhere like #politics
23:03 nolsen They built a wall around est31's house.
23:03 rubenwardy also, saw this link today: http://loser.com
23:03 est31 wow
23:04 bashterm i second rubenwardy's motion to move this discussion elsewhere
23:04 nolsen rubenwardy: whoever owns the domain is an imbecile.
23:04 Dragonop rubenwardy is right
23:04 est31 nolsen, you must sue him
23:04 nolsen No need.
23:04 nolsen I'll just build a wall
23:04 bashterm No, the domain is dedicated to an imbecile, not owned by that imbecile
23:04 nolsen around his fingers
23:04 bashterm nolsen, solutions.
23:04 rubenwardy Ok, he's definitely joking
23:04 nolsen Trump isn't an imbecile, and I'm not joking
23:05 nolsen The wall part yes.
23:05 nolsen I'm joking about the wall part
23:05 nolsen but yes, trump isn't an imbecile.
23:05 Dragonop b-but, he's racist!
23:05 bashterm How is trump anything but an imbecile?
23:05 rubenwardy oh god, it begins
23:06 bashterm I mean, think about all of his failed enterprises.
23:06 Dragonop lol, this is starting to turn into /pol/, better go to #politics
23:06 nolsen Dragonop: Anyone who calls him racist is either misled or misinformed, or an imbecile
23:06 bashterm Yes. I shall now abstain from all political discussion
23:06 bashterm Easy!
23:06 sofar ================================= all done now! =================================
23:06 Dragonop thanks sofar, barrier is good
23:06 sofar what about those new steel door sounds?
23:07 nolsen Dragonop: Anyone who calls him racist is either misled or misinformed, or an imbecile
23:07 rubenwardy MT needs more sounds
23:07 est31 he built a trump wall to wall off the discussion about the trump wall
23:07 nolsen I broken the barrier
23:07 nolsen xD
23:07 bashterm nolsen, enough
23:07 nolsen xD
23:07 Dragonop okay, enough offtopic, let's talk about minetest
23:07 nolsen Minetest is too minimal
23:07 nolsen We need to build a wall on the site
23:08 nolsen It should keep the mexicans out.
23:08 Dragonop god dammit nolsen
23:08 bashterm really, this has gone to far
23:08 est31 nolsen, you can build much higher walls in minetest than in minecraft
23:08 bashterm true
23:08 nolsen est31: You can easily increase the maximum limit
23:08 nolsen or you should be able
23:08 bashterm Nope. It's not open source
23:08 est31 not in minecraft
23:08 nolsen Reverse engineer!
23:08 Dragonop that's really cool, it gives place to amazing buildings, Big3Force is building a 3000 nodes tall tower on Xanadu
23:08 nolsen mods!
23:09 est31 i have only seen one tower on xanadu
23:09 Dragonop let me get a screenshot
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23:10 nolsen Look, is that an illegal immigrant? ^
23:10 bashterm nolsen, pls no racism
23:10 nolsen drugs
23:10 nolsen drugs
23:10 nolsen drugs
23:10 nolsen was kicked by ShadowBot: Message repetition flood detected.
23:11 Dragonop isn't it racist to instantly associate "illegal immigrant" with a racism?
23:11 rubenwardy ha
23:11 Dragonop with racism*
23:11 est31 no
23:11 est31 thats too much predjudice
23:12 est31 but not racism
23:13 Dragonop hm, I guess you are right, my bad
23:13 sofar bashterm: reviewed, gave you a lot of comments to work on
23:13 sofar bashterm: if you need help, please ask
23:13 Dragonop est31, here: https://forum.minetest.net​/download/file.php?id=5172
23:14 yang2003 I think it nice
23:14 est31 thats on xanadu?
23:14 Dragonop yes
23:14 Dragonop really close from spawn, actually
23:14 est31 nice
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23:43 Fixer I always wondered if that trully made with ms paint https://40.media.tumblr.com/ec46710ea3d98ce226e4​2d2cc46002a8/tumblr_o2eyctXSeJ1v33hszo1_1280.jpg
23:44 Fixer it feels like paint.exe but maybe that is just a mimic of paint.exe style
23:44 yang2003 ..
23:44 huang2003 ...
23:45 Fixer who would though that people will invent memes.. and draw them in paint.exe
23:47 Fixer or this one http://40.media.tumblr.com/46e05a24a42bd17442efe​9b92019baad/tumblr_nzzjhgNIzv1v33hszo1_1280.png
23:47 MinetestBot [git] kilbith -> minetest/minetest: Settings Tab: Regroup dropdown datas in tables 04e311a https://git.io/v2xRy (2016-03-06T23:42:21Z)
23:47 MinetestBot [git] Rui914 -> minetest/minetest: Faster insertion into table 24e8b0a https://git.io/v2xRS (2016-03-06T23:42:04Z)
23:47 Fixer this is weird
23:49 Dragonop You can't hold sneak and close a trapdoor at the same time, this make the need to stop to close it when going down ladders with shift, is this intended?
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23:55 Fixer Dragonop, never tried that, what is the use case?
23:56 Dragonop going down a ladder and closing the trapdor at the same time. Going down with sneak
23:59 huang2003 wow

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