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00:30 MinetestBot [git] voronaam -> minetest/minetest: Fix a mistake in the world format documentation da97969 https://git.io/v2Sew (2016-03-03T01:25:35+01:00)
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00:46 MinetestBot [git] tenplus1 -> minetest/minetest_game: Fix book formspec to word-wrap lines aa254e2 https://git.io/v2SJm (2016-03-03T00:37:07Z)
00:46 MinetestBot [git] MT-Modder -> minetest/minetest_game: Allow non-players to dig steel doors. 29252c6 https://git.io/v2SJY (2016-03-03T00:37:01Z)
00:46 MinetestBot [git] MT-Modder -> minetest/minetest_game: Allow non-players to dig locked chests. ac843f8 https://git.io/v2SJO (2016-03-03T00:37:01Z)
00:46 MinetestBot [git] MT-Modder -> minetest/minetest_game: Allow non-players to dig bones. 0410b5e https://git.io/v2SJ3 (2016-03-03T00:37:01Z)
00:46 MinetestBot [git] red-001 -> minetest/minetest_game: Document `share_bones_time_early` 3a98245 https://git.io/v2SJs (2016-03-03T00:36:53Z)
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04:34 MinetestBot [git] ShadowNinja -> minetest/minetest: Add support for non-ASCII characters to chat console 8b006a1 https://git.io/v2S0S (2016-03-02T23:23:31-05:00)
04:34 MinetestBot [git] ShadowNinja -> minetest/minetest: Add Android chat form 9dd38cf https://git.io/v2S09 (2016-03-02T23:23:31-05:00)
04:34 MinetestBot [git] ShadowNinja -> minetest/minetest: Add text selection and copying to console 430929e https://git.io/v2S0H (2016-03-02T23:23:31-05:00)
04:34 MinetestBot [git] ShadowNinja -> minetest/minetest: Unlock cursor when opening console 3edb757 https://git.io/v2S0Q (2016-03-02T23:23:31-05:00)
04:34 MinetestBot [git] EXio4 -> minetest/minetest: Use the console instead of a dedicated window when pressing keymap_chat/cmd effa247 https://git.io/v2S07 (2016-03-02T23:23:31-05:00)
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05:49 MinetestBot [git] ShadowNinja -> minetest/minetest: Remove debug.getupvalue from the Lua sandbox whitelist abd4a79 https://git.io/v2Sa7 (2016-03-03T00:09:05-05:00)
05:57 sofar Ronsor`: he just started it, I think
05:58 MinetestBot [git] ShadowNinja -> minetest/minetest: Fix main menu being unable to set secure settings 7bcbc01 https://git.io/v2SV4 (2016-03-03T00:57:19-05:00)
06:17 sofar is there an option to enable the minimap by default?
06:17 sofar enable_minimap = true derp
06:18 sofar euh, no, doesn't work
06:18 sofar still have to press F9 every time I start the game
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11:52 exio4 woah, nice.
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14:19 Megaf Hi all, is there any way to create natural light in caves?
14:19 Megaf sometimes we see sun light inside caves, but that's only a glitch
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15:21 Megaf nobody?
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15:24 kaeza o/
15:26 Megaf Hi kaeza
15:26 Megaf kaeza, any idea on how to generate that natural light glicht in caves?
15:27 kaeza natural light glitch?
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15:31 STHGOM is there something like this: "minetest.on_punch(puncher, punched, hp)" ?
15:32 Obani Megaf, if you have roof in another chunk
15:32 Obani Or really far away
15:32 Obani You can still try /mafix
15:32 Obani /mapfix
15:33 Obani (with the mapfixer mod)
15:37 kaeza woo. merging session, I see
15:44 kaeza !tell Megaf https://www.dropbox.com/s/rgc​7snykovkvtdg/fakesun.zip?dl=0 hacky, but WFM
15:44 MinetestBot kaeza: I'll pass that on when Megaf is around
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15:58 STHGOM or is there an "on_hp_change" for players?
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16:06 kaadmy STHGOM: i think so
16:06 kaadmy look in docs/lua_api.txt
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16:47 Lluri Hello people
16:48 Lluri Got troubles with WorldEdit mod
16:48 Lluri As soon as the GUI is activated, I can't get acces to the nodes list
16:49 Lluri I mean I still can pick items from the list to put in the crafting tool, or in my 8 items list, but I am stucked on page 1
16:49 Lluri So I've got acces only to this page...
16:56 kaeza Lluri, which Minetest version? also, when did you download World Edit and Unified Inventory?
16:56 Lluri Unified inventory ?
16:56 Lluri The latest
16:57 Lluri 0.4.13
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16:57 Lluri same for the WorldEdit, it's the latest one
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16:58 kaeza or, uh... which GUI are you using for WorldEdit? it seems to support Unified Inventory and a couple others
16:59 kaeza I should really get around to compile stable .13 just for tests...
17:00 Lluri well I use the GUI of the game itself, and I've activated the icluded one in the latest version of worldedit
17:00 Lluri So I'm using both
17:00 Lluri But the game's one seems not perfectly working with the worldedit one's activated
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17:04 STHGOM how would I make a command that removes all of a certain entity?
17:05 kaeza Lluri, try this one and see if it works: https://github.com/Uberi/Minetest-WorldEdit/arch​ive/f2f714c19e18ede9b3e201b2a5b6bf9828a5dd8d.zip
17:06 Lluri What is it ? a gui ?
17:06 Lluri That will make 3 GUI ?
17:06 kaeza an older version of WE
17:06 kaeza (not TOO old)
17:07 kaeza there has been some changes recently in the core engine which prompted for changes in WE, which may be breaking stable 0.4.13
17:07 Lluri someone told me the GUI wasn't up in the version before the one I have
17:07 Lluri Oo
17:07 Lluri I'll try this and tell you
17:15 kaeza :(
17:15 twoelk kaeza: are you still working on the wiki mod?
17:17 kaeza twoelk, yes and no. don't touch the thing because it works, but I'm open to suggestions
17:18 twoelk the version on the LOTT server has recently had a close button added, which I find convenient
17:19 twoelk have been playing with borders and colors myself recently
17:24 kaeza twoelk, the GUI needs a bit of love, yes :P
17:24 kaeza may I have a screenshot of your work?
17:25 * twoelk runs and hides
17:25 kaeza :(
17:27 twoelk actually there is a version in use on the Isarnho server at 84.181.193.251
17:28 twoelk no colors but some button piles under index
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17:29 twoelk running the roman map there at the moment and trying to make a screenshot
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17:36 twoelk https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?p=202921#p202921 the wiki as on Lord-Of-The-Test server
17:36 twoelk http://i.imgur.com/GXQ1qJ1.png wiki with button piles
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17:43 twoelk hrmpf -- server keeps timing out for the public server list
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17:53 STHGOM how would i use "minetest.get_node_level(pos)" to get crumbly?
17:53 STHGOM if minetest.get_node_level(pos) == "crumbly" then ...
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17:56 kaeza <twoelk> http://i.imgur.com/GXQ1qJ1.png [...] <-- this looks too cramped
17:57 kaeza hmm... maybe the buttons can be arranged vertically along the side
17:59 kaeza STHGOM, that's like asking "how do I use a chainsaw to tighten a screw"
17:59 kaeza don't ask "how do I use $TOOL to do $TASK"; ask "how do I do $TASK"
18:00 STHGOM ok
18:00 STHGOM lol, how *do* i use a chainsaw to tighten a screw?
18:01 STHGOM I originally was looking at http://dev.minetest.net/minetest.get_node_group, but it says it depreciated
18:02 * kaeza sighs
18:03 STHGOM ok, how do I get a nodes crumblyness?
18:03 STHGOM sorry
18:05 Krock kaeza, you seem to be an extreme capitalist.
18:05 kaeza you need the name, and check `minetest.registered_nodes[name].groups` if `crumbly is defined and larger than 0`
18:06 Calinou Krock, I worked with PHP this morning… :/
18:06 Krock Calinou, another capitalist detected!
18:06 kaeza Krock, O.o
18:06 Krock kaeza, "how do I use $TOOL to do $TASK"; ask "how do I do $TASK"
18:07 Krock $.$
18:07 STHGOM ok, got it, ty
18:07 kaeza oh, sorry. %TASK%
18:07 kaeza <_<
18:08 sfan5 !server players:most
18:08 MinetestBot sfan5: [FR] Minetest France Survie / PvP | minetest-france.fr:30001 | Clients: 27/60, 7/27 | Version: 0.4.13 / minetest | Ping: 89ms
18:08 kaeza Krock, at least, getting the name of a script is free
18:08 kaeza $0
18:08 Krock ^^
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18:27 twoelk kaeza: http://imgur.com/VXc7VJI the welcome mod has buttons on the side but I'm not sure that fits the wiki mod
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18:45 kaeza twoelk, I was thinking putting them on the right side, with the "Save" and "Close" buttons at top or bottom, and smaller buttons
18:45 kaeza or bigger formspec
18:45 kaeza currently testing this layout
18:49 twoelk I'm not sure how usable a bigger formspec might be on a mobile device
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19:27 kaeza good point. hadn't tought about mobile :/
19:28 kaeza I don't think it should make too much of a difference anyway
19:33 Hijiri kaeza: STHGOM: get_item_group isn't deprecated
19:33 Hijiri get_node_group is deprecated in favor of get_item_group
19:33 Hijiri get_item_group will do the nil checking for you and give 0 in that case
19:34 STHGOM ah, ok
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20:13 Ronsor` i will no longer run a minetest server, i removed the public server list and still got greifers
20:17 Hijiri you can add default password
20:17 Hijiri or a whitelist
20:18 Ronsor` wait, a default password?
20:18 Ronsor` i never saw that!
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20:19 Ronsor` oh there it is
20:19 Ronsor` what? i've never seen that before
20:19 sfan5 !server players:most
20:19 MinetestBot sfan5: Extreme Survival Minetest City | 23.28.76.50 | Clients: 21/33, 13/30 | Version: 0.4.13 / extreme_survival | Ping: 135ms
20:20 Ronsor` now to monkeypatch users.txt
20:23 Hijiri !server players:least
20:23 MinetestBot Hijiri: Yggdrasil [linuxiuvat.de] | linuxiuvat.de | Clients: 0/20, 1/7 | Version: 0.4.13 / minetest | Ping: 12ms
20:23 Hijiri !server Magical
20:23 MinetestBot Hijiri: No results
20:23 Hijiri rip
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20:31 kaeza http://i.imgur.com/3dx5oVe.jpg
20:31 kaeza formspec coordinate system is fucked up. badly
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20:37 Hijiri I had this problem and kaadmy showed me why it happens
20:37 Hijiri apparently images are scaled differently for some reason
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20:37 Hijiri oh
20:37 Hijiri actually I don't know for buttosn and textareas
20:38 Hijiri but maybe there is something similar, where some elements get padded/scaled differently
20:39 kaeza the origin is also inconsistent. for buttons, 0 means "a little bit of margin", but for textarea, 0 means pixel-aligned to the border
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20:41 kaeza textarea/field are aligned to the specified coordinates, regardless of whether they have labels or not
20:42 kaeza which means you need to give it a little more space to account for the label
20:43 kaeza actually, it's better to ignore label, I think
20:48 kaeza I'm looking for opinions on the layout though :P
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20:51 kaeza compare to old layout: http://i.imgur.com/sslcjYa.jpg
20:55 boombatower can anyone point me to a guide/example config for tuning a mintest server to utilize a server with lots of cpu/network bandwidth? io/cpu/net all seem to be relatively idle yet chunks are rather sluggish to load many times....even when on the same network as server
21:03 Calinou boombatower, https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=10&amp;t=1825
21:03 Calinou you can use this:
21:03 Calinou dedicated_server_step = 0.05
21:03 Calinou max_simultaneous_block_sends_server_total = 10000
21:03 Calinou max_simultaneous_block_sends_per_client = 20
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21:05 boombatower Calinou: thanks, will do
21:05 sofar boombatower: also, apply this patch https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/3805
21:05 sofar boombatower: and set lbm_interval and abm_interval to 0.2
21:05 sofar (and let me know if that helps as well)
21:06 boombatower sofar: alright, thanks
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21:46 MinetestBot [git] Jeija -> minetest/minetest: Require minetest.request_http_api to be called from the mod's main scope 1100a5d https://git.io/v2Q1g (2016-03-03T22:42:00+01:00)
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21:53 LazyJ Has there been a change to forum.mientest.net that blocks images from dropbox?
21:53 Calinou check your browser's console
21:53 Calinou I don't think we do anything specific on image URLs
21:54 LazyJ What am I to check for?
21:54 Calinou check in the Network tab of the console
21:54 Calinou or just the JavaScript console, which also logs network errors sometimes
21:55 LazyJ My browser isn't blocking anything from the forums.
21:55 LazyJ What ever changed was within the last 12hrs.
21:55 Calinou note that Dropbox performs rate limiting if traffic becomes too high
21:56 Calinou in the meantime, try another host like https://lut.im/ :p
22:10 LazyJ Problem isolated to my web browser, Firefox. Google Chrome displays the page with the screenshots. Now to try to figure out why FF is having such consternation. :/
22:23 Hijiri I have been using pomf.is for forum images
22:26 LazyJ I use imgur.com for most screenshots and it has worked well for me for years. But, the overview maps that I update weekly/bi-weekly on forum thread's top post is where dropbox's handling of file paths and names works out better.
22:26 rubenwardy are you allowed to apply additional terms to GPL? https://github.com/graememcc/mi​cropolisJS/blob/master/LICENSE
22:27 rubenwardy nevermind
22:27 LazyJ With Dropbox, I upload the overview maps to the same folder and then merely change the date on the dated filename in the forum post to update the post.
22:27 LazyJ
22:29 LazyJ So updating overview map "main_section_2016_03_01.png" is a simple "replace all" of 2016_03_01 with 2016_03_08.
22:30 LazyJ Since all the overview maps use a date at the end of the file name, all the overview maps are updated with the "replace" function.
22:30 LazyJ So that is why I use Dropbox, in this particular use case, instead of other image hosting services.
22:31 LazyJ Ok, sermon's done.
22:31 LazyJ
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22:34 Niebieski Hey guys, is there any news about Realbad ?
22:43 Fixer have not heared anything
23:05 Fixer what time is it? it is compile time! 1100a5d + PR3775-3810-3811
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23:24 rubenwardy LazyJ, have you made sure you've hard linked using ?dl=1
23:25 rubenwardy lol, lincity-ng crashed first time
23:26 Fixer rubenwardy, since when??
23:26 rubenwardy ?
23:27 Fixer rubenwardy, how long you play it?
23:28 rubenwardy err, zero minutes so far...?
23:28 rubenwardy It crashed as I clicked "start game"
23:29 Fixer rubenwardy, ah
23:30 Fixer i'm playing CDDA mainly
23:30 Fixer it is damn good asci game
23:30 rubenwardy Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead?
23:30 Fixer yes
23:30 Fixer zombie apocalypse
23:30 Fixer it has literally everything
23:31 Fixer you can dig, build bases and vehicles
23:31 Fixer craft thing
23:31 Fixer learn from books
23:31 Fixer it is so complex
23:31 Fixer 1000 of options
23:32 Fixer highly recommend it for people who play dwarf fortress and stuff like that
23:33 Fixer experiment brunch maybe somewhat unstable right now
23:34 Hijiri I'm downloading it right nwo
23:35 Fixer it uses graphics tile by default iirc, asci is way more cooler
23:35 Hijiri it is not in debian repo despite popularity and its license fitting DFSG
23:35 rubenwardy just reading the FAQ is interesting
23:35 Niebieski I played it a couple time.
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23:36 Fixer it has 40 000 commits
23:37 Fixer intense development
23:37 Hijiri Is it playable mostly blind? Or will I have to consult out-of-game documentation to play properly
23:37 Fixer sometimes
23:37 Fixer it has immense scope
23:37 Hijiri I'll probably start looking up stuff eventually regardless
23:38 Fixer it is very complex
23:38 Fixer i'm playing exp build few month old
23:38 Fixer if you download 0.C, it is very old
23:38 Fixer release was in 2015 iirc
23:38 Hijiri I am cloning git
23:39 rubenwardy is there a way of getting less abstract graphics?
23:39 LazyJ rubenwardy - DropBox/forum screenshots: I found the problem; AdBlock was blocking content from forum.minetest.net. idk why AdBlock did it today because I've used AdBlock for years. Heh. Maybe AdBlock wants some ransom money from Minetest. :p
23:39 LazyJ
23:42 Niebieski but the game is hard.
23:42 Fixer rubenwardy, there are asci and tiles available
23:42 Niebieski It reminds me of Project Zomboid.
23:42 Fixer use asci
23:43 Fixer tiles suck
23:43 rubenwardy cool http://i.imgur.com/cM4fh57.png
23:45 Fixer tiles suck
23:45 rubenwardy in your opinion
23:45 Fixer danger, this game is very addictive
23:46 rubenwardy Not foss, but I've enjoyed this game recently: http://rimworldgame.com/
23:47 Fixer for cdda people this is like heaven
23:47 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/hOOQFoi.png
23:49 rubenwardy no idea what that is
23:50 rubenwardy what are <> F v
23:50 rubenwardy S
23:50 Hijiri > sudo apt install libsdl2-ttf-dev
23:50 Hijiri > 531 packages to remove
23:50 Hijiri rip
23:50 Hijiri no tiles for me
23:50 Hijiri which is ok
23:50 Hijiri but sounds require tiles apparentlyu
23:50 Fixer hehe
23:51 Fixer rubenwardy, keys?
23:51 Fixer rubenwardy, ah
23:51 Fixer rubenwardy, on map? < > is houses
23:51 Hijiri now I'm sitting in class with laptop making noise at 100% cpu
23:51 Fixer rubenwardy, F - fire station
23:51 rubenwardy that's a lot of fire stations
23:51 rubenwardy so that's an overview map?
23:51 Fixer yes
23:51 rubenwardy is that a settlement?
23:52 Fixer city
23:52 Fixer so huge
23:52 rubenwardy made by players?
23:52 Fixer no
23:52 Fixer autogenerated
23:52 rubenwardy ok
23:52 Hijiri 94%
23:52 Hijiri nearly done
23:52 Fixer this game will be probably to hard for you
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23:53 rubenwardy sounds like a challenge
23:53 rubenwardy can you play it multiplayer?
23:53 rubenwardy do you build settlements?
23:54 Fixer Hijiri, tiles can be disabled in graphical one
23:54 Fixer rubenwardy, settlements? you can
23:55 Fixer rubenwardy, it is more survival one, zombies, cars, construction
23:55 rubenwardy I see
23:56 Fixer settlements with zombies? o_0

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