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03:21 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/UlOOAvW.png
03:36 kaadmy ^ ?
03:40 nm0i ^.^
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03:51 sofar colored chat
03:51 kaadmy sofar: that's a mod
03:51 kaadmy chat2
03:51 sofar ah
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04:54 sofar RealBadAngel: can I get an entity with a wieldmesh?
04:54 sofar RealBadAngel: or otherwise make one in lua?
05:48 Hijiri for food animation?
05:49 sofar yeah, I can do a texture, but then I'm always stuck with the same texture
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06:27 Hijiri do people write sql queries with caps lock on?
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06:30 sofar no, but it's easier to read later on as queries get more complex
06:31 sofar especially when you INNER JOIN stuff
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09:59 JamesTait Good morning all!  Happy Thursday, and happy Battery Day! 😃
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11:12 paramat but JamesTait, is it included?
11:13 paramat we might need to go and buy a battery for Thursday
11:13 * JamesTait throws in a battery for good measure.
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11:52 Samson1 Erm,
11:54 Samson1 VanessaE, you know on your basic-plus server you have to change people's skins via a mod or something?
11:55 Samson1 Erm, how do you do that?
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12:08 Calinou Samson1, player_textures mod by PilzAdam I guess
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12:41 * CWz hates it when idiot players try to get away with griefing by claiming it's trolling. thanks ZexyZek
12:42 est31 what the
12:42 est31 trolling is same as griefing
12:42 est31 ban both, or allow both
12:43 est31 of course griefing of public stuff is always bad
12:48 CWz yeah
12:50 est31 but yeah will be fun time for griefers if water floods away flowers and grass etc
12:50 est31 really fun time
12:57 troller true griefing: http://freeminer.setun.net/s​s/screenshot_3130396065.png
12:57 troller it was big building
13:04 RealBadAngel troller, ouch ;)
13:10 CWz i don't under stand what going on on this thread "https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopi​c.php?t=14057&p=207802#p207802" the engrish panes I'm
13:11 CWz I think some DMCA's someone and something related to buying negative and positive ratings
13:13 CWz ^ the engrish virus has spread to me
13:14 troller "my designer" lol
13:14 troller its not me!
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13:18 Dragonop Well, I don't know what you are expecting from someone that said in it's Minetest-based game that he coded the entire thing
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13:20 RealBadAngel im lookin at his repo now, apart from another subgame, another gfx, all his commits about android performance are changing the same compiler settings all over again
13:21 Dragonop lol
13:21 RealBadAngel maybe im missing something but thats really looks like so
13:23 Dragonop That's really weird
13:24 troller he dosnt know - release build already with -03
13:25 troller he sell minetest for money about 2 years (0.5$-1$) on market
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13:26 troller now he earns money on ads
13:26 Dragonop he's allowed to do that, afaik, as long as he gives credit
13:27 troller credit was not always
13:29 troller first time he hides source and changes credits
13:46 Dragonop Yes, I saw that, why would you hide the original authors? that's lame
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13:56 CWz okay i think i understand what going on in that thread now. person A is Acusing person B of paying someone to give negative rating to freeminer while paying Person B to give Person B's project positive one
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13:59 troller yes
14:01 MinetestBot [git] sofar -> minetest/minetest_game: Doors: Allow arbitrary recipe to be passed, even nil 363b95c https://git.io/vghIO (2016-02-18T13:57:09Z)
14:01 MinetestBot [git] sofar -> minetest/minetest_game: Fix character.b3d animation issues. 8422f2e https://git.io/vghI3 (2016-02-18T13:57:04Z)
14:01 MinetestBot [git] tenplus1 -> minetest/minetest_game: added timer to tnt:tnt_burning for explosions 36d18cb https://git.io/vghIs (2016-02-18T13:56:57Z)
14:01 MinetestBot [git] davisonio -> minetest/minetest_game: Remove log_mods from TNT b47a556 https://git.io/vghIG (2016-02-18T13:56:50Z)
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14:27 Fixer there is "city block" mod that avoids liquid griefs in a important places
14:28 Fixer but recipe is very costly
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16:01 MinetestBot [git] RealBadAngel -> minetest/minetest: Move object nametags to camera c3b2797 https://git.io/vghiF (2016-02-18T16:43:29+01:00)
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17:09 MinetestBot [git] RealBadAngel -> minetest/minetest: HOTFIX: fix too agressive block culling 1ec1a60 https://git.io/vgjvK (2016-02-18T18:07:28+01:00)
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17:38 kaadmy Samson1: hello :D
17:38 Samson1 Hello:D
17:39 Samson1 kaadmy, I am just adding you as a builder :)
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17:41 Samson1 kaadmy, Done:)
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18:21 Lugal Hello
18:22 Lugal how do I make decoration objects for my mod, which are simple sprites being able to be put on a node
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18:22 Lugal ?
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18:35 sofar Lugal: minetest.register_entity() ?
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18:42 c55 hi
18:44 kaadmy hi
18:45 kaadmy c55: did you have to use the name c55  as a troll ^.^
18:45 c55 No.
18:45 c55 i'm not a troll
18:45 c55 there's a reason
18:47 kaadmy why
18:47 Lugal sofar, can u give me more code?
18:47 c55 simply because c55 is the same nick that i use on the multiplayer server
18:48 c55 servers*
18:48 Lugal for some basic properties for it?
18:48 Lugal and  for appearence: drawtype or type? ..?
18:50 c55 bye
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18:51 sofar Lugal: sorry, I'm not going to write your code. There's plenty of mods that do similar things, try and find those.
18:51 Calinou // Here have code
18:51 Calinou // My hands are typing words
18:51 Calinou // Haaaaaaands
18:52 Lugal lol
18:52 kaadmy huh c55 didn't mention why he uses c55 in the first place..
18:53 ElectronLibre Lugal: Register nodes with signlike drawtype and make them wallmounted.
18:54 ElectronLibre Similar to the old sprite signs you will be able to place them on walls/floors/ceilings and the sprite will be the node's texture.
18:56 Lugal thanks guys
19:00 H-H-H <<c55>> simply because c55 is the same nick that i use on the multiplayer server
19:00 H-H-H <<c55>> servers*
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19:04 Dragonop H-H-H, well, that still doesn't explains it
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19:11 Krock Calinou, please add the xkcd URL: https://xkcd.com/1296/
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19:27 Fixer Online multiplayer on both Sony’s PlayStation 4 and Xbox One requires a paid subscription, so you’ll need to shell out an extra $50 or $60 per year for that.
19:27 Fixer lol, really?
19:27 Fixer and i was thinking apple is anal
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19:37 gamemanj Fixer: Well, we can't have a world where people can: 1. Write their own stuff 2. Have fun 3. Communicate (etcetcetc)... unless the companies can milk as much money as possible from it! After all, that would be Bad because of Reasons!
19:38 gamemanj Krock: Is "Aspen" a verb, and if so, what does it mean...
19:38 gamemanj ...and what would it have to do with trees?
19:38 Krock In english?
19:38 gamemanj Yes, in english.
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19:39 Krock Seems to be a small town in Colorado.. no idea if it has any other meaning
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19:39 Krock From google translator: "a poplar tree with rounded, long-stalked, and typically coarsely toothed leaves that tremble in even a slight breeze."
19:39 gamemanj Krock: Welp, this is one for XKCD 1296... ok, TBH it's apparently meant as a noun referring to a type of tree, but... https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/com​mit/6267f26027350f0b80d091044ddfc1177aa6fa47
19:40 RobbieF Hello
19:40 Krock gamemanj, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspen It's just an alternative to the birch tree
19:41 est31 ahh thats where Calinou got his // comment reference for...
19:42 sofar gamemanj: I chose "Aspen" as the name since there are several mods out there already that add "Birch" trees, and so that would create confusion and possibly conflicts
19:42 Krock // HAAAAANDS
19:43 gamemanj sofar: If the amount of mods that add birch trees is above 1, then I think there's already confusion and conflicts...
19:44 sofar Krock: the Colorado town is named after the trees, they're extremely common in that part of the US
19:44 sofar gamemanj: hence a different name would not increase it
19:44 RobbieF Have you all seen the skin converter we launched over at https://minetest.tv ?  It automatically updates our gaming servers with the skins too and if others want to use it, we could set it up to centralize skin management.
19:44 Krock sofar, ah okay. Here it would sound strange if there was a town called "Apfelbaum" (apple tree)
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19:45 est31 https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/583597904
19:45 gamemanj centralized skin management sounds nice, but if all skins are downloaded to all servers, then you now have a scalability problem
19:46 est31 and the next village is called birnbaum
19:46 sofar lol
19:46 RobbieF gamemanj no... our system checks to see if the player is registered on the running server before syncing the skin.
19:46 gamemanj In which case everything's fine :)
19:46 RobbieF ;)
19:47 RobbieF it also watches the server to wait until there are no players online and then runs the tasks (which requires a quick minetestserver restart)
19:47 RobbieF won't restart if players are online
19:47 est31 quite funny some people add single trees to OSM https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2478890601
19:47 gamemanj est31: ...what, are these especially old trees, or...?
19:47 est31 https://www.openstreetmap.​org/search?query=apfelbaum
19:48 est31 gamemanj, idk, perhaps. if they are "notable" they probably get added
19:48 est31 not an OSM contributor, but probably they do have rules regarding that
19:48 gamemanj well, it's not like they've gone about adding every single tree in the entire universe
19:48 est31 "don't add every tree to OSM"
19:48 gamemanj else there'd be a lot more trees there
19:49 gamemanj simply on the basis that last I checked single standing trees aren't a thing I've seen anywhere
19:49 Krock est31, that's not a town :P
19:50 * gamemanj looks out of his window
19:50 * Krock looks at gamemanj frmo outside
19:50 gamemanj correction, single standing trees are something I've seen, nvm, perfectly possible
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20:25 m8-1 hey
20:29 m8-1 Im so GLaD that minetest will be optimized for easy install.... I cant get MT 0.4.13 for ubuntu
20:30 est31 m8-1, I think upcoming 16.04 will have it
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20:30 m8-1 i know... but it will be realeased in 63 days
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20:31 m8-1 THE NOT SO SIMPLE MOBS MOD IS AWESOME #CAPS
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20:41 paxcoder Calinou: hey, it's your messe hunting buddy form like 10 years ago
20:42 Calinou hi
20:42 paxcoder I just passed I just passed "Minilens".
20:42 paxcoder Imagine my surprise when I saw your name in the credits.
20:43 paxcoder What's that about?
20:44 paxcoder Are you the president of a secret free software gaming development society which I am not a part of because I don't develop games?
20:44 Calinou yes
20:44 Calinou #kobuge
20:44 est31 lol
20:45 paxcoder oh hi est31
20:45 est31 hello paxcoder
20:52 m8-1 just looked into the source... menu music?
20:56 * gamemanj gets out a drone army, and tells it to hover into #kobuge to look at stuff
20:57 gamemanj the drones are returning data now... they're using some sort of scripting language...
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20:58 Calinou m8-1, it's supported but not used
20:59 m8-1 Is it planned to use?
20:59 est31 haha
21:00 est31 not right now.
21:00 m8-1 Well... have to go ... bye
21:00 paxcoder bye m8-1
21:01 gamemanj interesting... KOBUGE has a lot of projects, but at what stage are they...
21:01 Calinou https://lut.im/BUviMf47Cm/LvcGfrWltTDbpZjY.jpg
21:01 Calinou fanmail
21:02 est31 hah
21:02 * gamemanj goes to minetest.net and finds the site is not at all messed up
21:02 * gamemanj has a hunch, and wonders if he should disable Javascript to see things in ATL-vision
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21:08 RobbieF Hi all. Is anyone able to assist me with the IRC mod?
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21:13 Fixer no MT 0.4.13 in ubuntu?
21:14 est31 Fixer, no unfortunately
21:14 paxcoder Is any voxel game using terrain calculation and writing down only diffs?
21:15 est31 paxcoder, not that I know
21:15 Fixer i thought ubuntu is way newer than debian
21:15 est31 no Fixer in fact ubuntu takes from debian
21:15 est31 they just say "okay we take this package too"
21:15 Fixer debian unstable?
21:15 est31 thats all of the work they do
21:15 Fixer they take from sid?
21:15 Obani RobbieF, find mods creator and try to reach him ^^ (or wait for someone to see your message that can help you :p)
21:15 est31 idk
21:16 est31 the one thats rolling release
21:16 est31 not the testing one
21:16 Fixer oh, well, year_of_the_linux_desktop.png
21:16 Calinou year_of_the_windows_desktop.bmp
21:16 est31 paxcoder, writing down diffs only is quite a good concept, but it requires terrain generation to be 100% deterministic
21:17 gamemanj "Year of the linux desktop"... first we need "Year Schools Actually Care About OS Diversity"
21:17 Fixer it is bizarre that you can't install new software in debian or ubuntu easily
21:17 paxcoder est31: sure
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21:17 Fixer need to compile or look for repos
21:17 RobbieF yeah... sad that the one guy who shared the exact same problem as me in the forum then simply said "nevermind - got it working" but didn't say how  :(
21:18 gamemanj RobbieF: Maybe describe your problem, also, URL of the mod?
21:18 RobbieF Sure gamemanj.
21:19 RobbieF Mod is https://github.com/kaeza/minetest-irc.git
21:19 RobbieF I finally got it so my server will at least load...
21:19 RobbieF but it never does connect
21:19 RobbieF ERROR[Server]: IRC: Connection error: irc.freenode.net: /home/robbie/.minetest/mods/irc/irc/init.lua:99: Operation already in progress -- Reconnecting in ten minutes...
21:20 RobbieF I have two servers running on the same box...
21:20 Fixer even fedora has 0.4.12
21:20 gamemanj "Operation already in progress?"
21:20 RobbieF so the "operation already in progress" could theoretically be the other server... but that other one doesn't connect either
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21:20 RobbieF but both servers say this error
21:20 RobbieF and never connect
21:20 gamemanj and apparently this is on line 99 of init.lua, except...
21:21 Fixer lol https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/3737
21:21 Fixer talking about obsession with water
21:21 RobbieF Line 99:  assert(s:connect(host, port))
21:21 gamemanj We're looking at different scripts...
21:21 RobbieF bahah
21:22 RobbieF whoops
21:22 gamemanj Oh, apparently irc/irc
21:22 gamemanj not just irc/
21:22 RobbieF correct
21:22 RobbieF it's recursive
21:22 gamemanj That makes perfect sense! Not.
21:22 RobbieF irc is the mod, irc/irc is the lua irc socket
21:23 afflatus I just crashed on an Emerge-0 error. Could someone explain emerging to me?
21:24 gamemanj RobbieF: "operation already in progress" is apparently something to do with the socket being non-blocking. Now, why it's nonblocking...
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21:24 RobbieF I hope YOU know what that means - lol
21:25 gamemanj I know what it means, but it shouldn't apply in this situation since the socket's only just been created, no time to set the non-blocking option.
21:25 gamemanj Just does a settimeout and then connects
21:26 RobbieF this doesn't have anything to do with it, does it? secure.trusted_mods = irc
21:26 RobbieF "You will also need to add IRC to your trusted mods if you haven't disabled mod security."
21:26 RobbieF i have that line in my minetest.conf
21:26 gamemanj Ok, so that shouldn't be a problem then...
21:26 gamemanj Besides, that would likely be a different error
21:29 gamemanj RobbieF: What's the timeout set to?
21:30 RobbieF whatever the default is...
21:30 gamemanj You know what, this is probably a terrible idea, but just comment line 98 of irc/irc/init.lua
21:30 RobbieF lol
21:31 RobbieF I'm thinking first, maybe try irc.debug
21:31 RobbieF I just HATE kicking my players every time I have to restart
21:32 afflatus emerge.cpp:2d4: virtual void* EmergeThread::run(): A fatal error occured: Invalid range (max < min)
21:33 afflatus ^ Means absolutely nothing to me ^
21:34 Dragonop afflatus, doesn't that means that max is less than min? That's all I understand from that
21:35 afflatus Right. I assume it's something to do with mapgen
21:35 gamemanj RobbieF: If LuaSocket is setting the socket to non-blocking, and then isn't handling the resulting response properly...
21:35 afflatus Or at least the appearance of blocks in the world
21:37 Dragonop I guess. But I probably know as much as you do, so I can't help, let's wait for an answer
21:37 gamemanj afflatus: Which mods are you using? I did a quick search and the message is in noise.cpp (though why it wouldn't come out as a Lua error...)
21:37 paxcoder est31: see OpenSimplex and if you're mathemtaically inclined (or just want an overview of alternatives): https://www-sop.inria.fr/reves/Basilic/​2010/LLCDDELPZ10/LLCDDELPZ10STARPNF.pdf
21:38 RobbieF not sure how to tell that gamemanj
21:38 gamemanj RobbieF: I'm also not sure, it's mostly a guess
21:38 RobbieF debug tells me nothing more
21:39 gamemanj Figured as such. Again, try commenting line 98. And make sure whatever IRC server you're connecting to is online before starting your server, since this probably won't go well if it isn't...
21:40 gamemanj (the timeout is there for good reason, but if it's causing problems like this... what to do?)
21:40 afflatus gamemanj: thanks for looking that up
21:40 RobbieF okay will try that
21:41 RobbieF is # comment in lua?
21:41 afflatus The whole game is a mod
21:41 gamemanj no, --
21:41 RobbieF thanks
21:41 afflatus And I think this is more to do with my mapgen than anything else
21:42 RobbieF trying without 98
21:42 gamemanj ...
21:42 gamemanj afflatus: Aaand now your problem becomes crystal clear
21:42 gamemanj afflatus: Presumably you wrote your mapgen in C++?
21:43 afflatus No
21:44 gamemanj in which case, I have something I need to test...
21:44 afflatus I'm guessing one of the ore defs has backwards y limits
21:45 afflatus (Player was mining at the time
21:48 RobbieF no change gamemanj
21:48 RobbieF well... it didn't give me the error obviously
21:48 gamemanj RobbieF: In which case I have no idea...
21:48 RobbieF but it didn't connect
21:48 RobbieF lol
21:48 RobbieF thanks for trying :)
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22:13 H-H-H i use the irc mod on my server and only had to instal luasocket5.1 for it to work and am scratching my head as to why your having issues
22:19 Hijiri It would probably be nice if minetest provided more convenience functions for generating formspec elements
22:20 Hijiri If you want to do "image[" .. x .. "," .. y .. ";" .. w .. "," .. h .. ";" .. minetest.formspec_escape ... etc etc you will probably want to define your own function anyway after a few times
22:20 Hijiri or maybe before the first time, if you predict the need
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22:21 Hijiri so probably it would make sense to have some standard functions e.g. call minetest.fs.image(x,y,w,h,texture_name) to generate the formspec string for that image
22:22 Hijiri otherwise people will end up redefining them for every mod that needs it anyway
22:22 Hijiri I guess w * 5/4 and h * 15/13 if you want it to match up with non-image elements...
22:23 Hijiri why are images scaled differently in the first place?
22:24 RobbieF H-H-H yeah I installed luasocket5.1 and everything else...
22:24 RobbieF OHMIGOSH
22:24 RobbieF It JUST hit me! After all this struggling
22:24 RobbieF your comment made me think "you make it sound so simple"
22:24 RobbieF FACE PALM
22:24 RobbieF csf/lfd...
22:24 RobbieF 6667 won't be open!
22:24 RobbieF DUH!
22:27 RobbieF YES! That was it. DOUBLE FACE PALM
22:27 RobbieF thanks for being a sounding board, and for attempting to help me...
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22:34 H-H-H lol glad you got it working although word of warning , if you havent noticed allready if irc server,nick and something else is missing from minetest.conf and the mod is enabled it will crash on game start
22:35 RobbieF thanks  :)
22:35 RobbieF it was strictly my firewall... I had it setup correctly all this time.
22:35 H-H-H o crap you just reminded me lol ive left one of my servers in the dmz in my router lol i must move it back
22:36 RobbieF there, we helped eachother  :)
22:36 RobbieF haha
22:36 H-H-H yep lol
22:36 RobbieF have a nice night.
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22:48 ShadowNinja Want to try Mumble? : https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/3739
22:50 Hijiri +1
22:51 est31 cool idea
22:54 Out`Of`Control wow
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23:16 Fixer now people can talk with each other
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23:27 afflatus ShadowNinja: yes :-) Nice one
23:32 afflatus It will probably be at least a week before I can think about deploying it though.
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23:44 kaeza_ o/
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