| Time |
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| 00:00 |
afflatus |
If I'm using a noise_thesh(h)old for ores does a higher value make them rarer? |
| 00:02 |
kaadmy |
gah |
| 00:02 |
kaadmy |
its a huge nightmare to support vanilla doom with wads that have custom patches/flats |
| 00:06 |
kaadmy |
anybody want to play? |
| 00:06 |
kaadmy |
!server pixture |
| 00:06 |
MinetestBot |
kaadmy: pixture | pixture.quelcom.xyz | Clients: 0/10, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.13-dev / pixture | Ping: 11ms |
| 00:07 |
afflatus |
So it does, whoops |
| 00:07 |
jordan4ibanez |
is technic still under development? |
| 00:10 |
DrCool |
i just install minetest on ubuntu and I don't see an icon to launch it. |
| 00:12 |
DrCool |
ok, started it from terminal |
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DrCool |
looks interesting. |
| 00:17 |
kaadmy |
hmm |
| 00:18 |
kaadmy |
for a "welcome" mod(asks if you agree to the rules), should it pop up every time you join without interact? |
| 00:18 |
kaadmy |
and should it be available via a command to show it again? |
| 00:18 |
rubenwardy |
yes |
| 00:18 |
rubenwardy |
one sec |
| 00:19 |
rubenwardy |
I made such a mod |
| 00:19 |
kaadmy |
i know |
| 00:19 |
kaadmy |
there's lots of them ;) |
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rubenwardy |
https://github.com/rubenwardy/capturetheflag/tree/master/mods/rules |
| 00:19 |
kaadmy |
i'm making one for melzua's server |
| 00:19 |
rubenwardy |
don't reinvent the wheel |
| 00:19 |
rubenwardy |
:P |
| 00:19 |
kaadmy |
i'll re-write it anyway |
| 00:19 |
kaadmy |
practice ;) |
| 00:19 |
rubenwardy |
that is wtfpl |
| 00:20 |
kaadmy |
<kaadmy> i'll re-write it anyway |
| 00:20 |
rubenwardy |
That one has the advantages of being FOSS (agreerules is propietary) and is very simple |
| 00:20 |
rubenwardy |
Ok, have fun |
| 00:20 |
kaadmy |
it's almost done already ^-^ |
| 00:21 |
kaadmy |
and you have a problem with your rules mod |
| 00:21 |
kaadmy |
i think.. |
| 00:21 |
kaadmy |
if you type /rules then close the formspec by pressing escape it'll kick you |
| 00:21 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
| 00:21 |
kaadmy |
ah nevermind |
| 00:21 |
rubenwardy |
easy to fix though |
| 00:21 |
kaadmy |
it checks against that already |
| 00:21 |
rubenwardy |
yes: https://github.com/rubenwardy/capturetheflag/blob/master/mods/rules/init.lua#L75 |
| 00:22 |
kaadmy |
i saw that afterwards :D |
| 00:22 |
kaadmy |
i'll make mine not as harsh |
| 00:23 |
rubenwardy |
as in, add guest support? |
| 00:23 |
kaadmy |
it won't kick you, it just won't grant you interact |
| 00:23 |
kaadmy |
you can just accept later after looking around |
| 00:23 |
rubenwardy |
I haven't released that mod as a separate mod, so it's not configurable |
| 00:23 |
rubenwardy |
but would be trivial to change |
| 00:23 |
rubenwardy |
but write your own mod |
| 00:23 |
rubenwardy |
good for learning |
| 00:23 |
rubenwardy |
I do that a lot |
| 00:24 |
kaadmy |
currently 30 lines and nearly done |
| 00:24 |
kaadmy |
can labels in formspecs handle \n characters as newlines? |
| 00:25 |
rubenwardy |
not sure |
| 00:25 |
rubenwardy |
I wouldn't be surprised either way |
| 00:25 |
rubenwardy |
you should use a textlist though, to allow scrolling |
| 00:26 |
kaadmy |
will do |
| 00:26 |
kaadmy |
https://github.com/rubenwardy/capturetheflag/blob/master/mods/rules/init.lua#L17 |
| 00:26 |
kaadmy |
" to trap team mates on purpuse.", |
| 00:27 |
kaadmy |
huh, i didn't know that was how to spell purpose |
| 00:27 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
| 00:27 |
rubenwardy |
I do all my own proofreading XD |
| 00:28 |
rubenwardy |
fixed |
| 00:28 |
kaadmy |
what proofreading O.O |
| 00:28 |
rubenwardy |
It's pretty good compared to some other mods I've read |
| 00:28 |
rubenwardy |
although can't give examples |
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Fixer |
did >40 2min fps tests with various settings today |
| 00:45 |
Fixer |
on a special map |
| 00:51 |
kaadmy |
rubenwardy: with your rules mod, couldn't you just press escape to close the formspec? |
| 00:51 |
kaadmy |
you don't check for that |
| 00:51 |
rubenwardy |
It still sends quit=true |
| 00:51 |
swift110 |
hey rubenwardy |
| 00:51 |
rubenwardy |
I did test for that |
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MinetestBot |
[git] kaeza -> minetest/minetest: builtin: Fix `print` crashing on nil "holes". 4301953 https://git.io/vg4lC (2016-02-08T01:55:02+01:00) |
| 01:00 |
kaadmy |
ok, pixture now has a welcome mod builtin |
| 01:03 |
rubenwardy |
yay |
| 01:07 |
RealBadAngel |
kaadmy, what does it do? |
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rubenwardy |
RealBadAngel, displays a formspec when joining a server displaying the rules, then gives privs when you click yes |
| 01:27 |
RealBadAngel |
quite nice idea |
| 01:28 |
rubenwardy |
done before many times |
| 01:28 |
rubenwardy |
<k__dmy> i'll re-write it anyway |
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jordan4ibanez |
Is this the only up to date car mod? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=7967 |
| 02:12 |
DrCool |
everyone is watching the SuperBowl... |
| 02:12 |
DrCool |
probably |
| 02:14 |
RealBadAngel |
rubenwardy, why do you have still fucked up wielded? |
| 02:14 |
rubenwardy |
because 0.4.13 stable |
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cornernote |
hey all |
| 02:14 |
RealBadAngel |
oh hi cornernote :) |
| 02:15 |
RealBadAngel |
good to see you alive |
| 02:15 |
rubenwardy |
I use latest dev on my server and on my GNU/Linux machine |
| 02:15 |
RealBadAngel |
rubenwardy, so, you have put there wielded only, without inventory, yes? |
| 02:15 |
cornernote |
question to anyone (to get you thinking)... A bat and a ball cost $1.10 .. the bat costs $1.00 more than the ball... how much does the ball cost? |
| 02:15 |
rubenwardy |
yeah. The code exactly as given |
| 02:16 |
rubenwardy |
$0.05 |
| 02:16 |
cornernote |
nice |
| 02:17 |
rubenwardy |
I got one. Expand (a-x)*(b-x)*(c-x)*...*(z-x) |
| 02:17 |
rubenwardy |
Not a very good one, I admit |
| 02:17 |
cornernote |
what do you mean expand ? |
| 02:18 |
cornernote |
simplify ? |
| 02:18 |
RealBadAngel |
explode? |
| 02:19 |
rubenwardy |
expand means 3(x+y) === 3x + y |
| 02:19 |
rubenwardy |
and you can also simplify |
| 02:19 |
rubenwardy |
so you should end up with a very simple form |
| 02:19 |
rubenwardy |
*simpler form |
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cornernote |
3(x+y) === 3x + y ?? |
| 02:20 |
rubenwardy |
oops |
| 02:20 |
rubenwardy |
3x + 3y :S |
| 02:20 |
cornernote |
ok |
| 02:20 |
DrCool |
ha, i was confused also.. |
| 02:20 |
DrCool |
:) |
| 02:22 |
cornernote |
the expansion of the problem seems complicated... i don't think i'll get it, see if anyone else does... |
| 02:23 |
cornernote |
ahh, ok, its 0 |
| 02:23 |
rubenwardy |
XD |
| 02:23 |
cornernote |
*(x-x) === *0 |
| 02:23 |
rubenwardy |
anyway, gtg |
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ssieb |
I'm using v6 mapgen and biomes. Does anyone know where to find clay? Last I played quite a while back, it used to be found at water level in some places, but we haven't been able to find any clay at all anywhere. |
| 02:49 |
Hijiri |
is it possible with a nodebox drawtype to use different textures for the same face on different nodeboxes? |
| 02:57 |
RealBadAngel |
with nodeboxes texure is mapped on whole sized cube |
| 02:57 |
Hijiri |
ok |
| 02:58 |
Hijiri |
well ok, I'll have to make a mixed texture |
| 02:58 |
RealBadAngel |
faces of individual nodeboxes will get coresponding pieces from whole face |
| 02:58 |
RealBadAngel |
if you need different texures for individual nodeboxes you need mesh drawtyope |
| 02:59 |
Hijiri |
I just made mixed textures |
| 02:59 |
Hijiri |
so I can map the parts I want onto the right nodeboxes |
| 02:59 |
RealBadAngel |
sometimes thats enough |
| 02:59 |
Hijiri |
I guess if there were multiple parts with the same parts of the same face exposed it wouldn't work |
| 02:59 |
RealBadAngel |
but for more flexibility, meshes are only solution |
| 03:00 |
RealBadAngel |
exactly |
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Can I make an entity only visible to one person? |
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kaadmy |
jordan4ibanez: i don't think so |
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kaeza |
o/ |
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MinetestBot |
[git] RealBadAngel -> minetest/minetest: Cleanup selection mesh code, add shaders for halo and selection boxes b44da49 https://git.io/vg45Z (2016-02-08T03:57:42-05:00) |
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JamesTait |
Good morning all! Happy Monday, and happy Chinese New Year! 😃 |
| 09:54 |
red-001 |
good morning |
| 09:55 |
Krock |
moin |
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RealBadAngel |
早上好 |
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JamesTait |
Bless you! |
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| 10:01 |
afflatus |
I'm taking the grailtest server down for a bit until I can figure out why it keepscrashing |
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Krock |
debug logs? |
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afflatus |
As I'm not getting any specific error messages I'm assuming this has something to do with leaky globals |
| 10:03 |
Krock |
recently tried to stop a lua script execution, using a timeout timer.. the only thing that I learned was that Lua doesn't like to be interrupted from outside |
| 10:04 |
afflatus |
I'm going to start looking at functions more closely |
| 10:04 |
afflatus |
right |
| 10:05 |
afflatus |
will luachecker work with minetest code? |
| 10:06 |
afflatus |
I'll find out soon enough ;-) |
| 10:08 |
afflatus |
The crashes happen on major map changes, i.e. exploring or digging a lot in a short space of time |
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afflatus |
Well it looks like luacheck might give me something to work on |
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afflatus |
I can see I'm going to have to go through nod by mod |
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afflatus |
Does the dedicated_server_step setting affect garbage collection? |
| 11:43 |
sfan5 |
most likely not |
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sfan5 |
lua does gc on it's own |
| 11:43 |
afflatus |
I know but you can tweak it |
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afflatus |
I might try reducing it anyway as I have it set relatively hgh |
| 11:45 |
afflatus |
and probaby don't need to anymore |
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afflatus |
I'm just looking to quick ways of reducing memory usage to give me time to go through the code with a fine toothcomb |
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afflatus |
The other option, of course, is to leave the server down |
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Fixer |
._. |
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Fixer |
RealBadAngel, funny, how when I disable shaders on my singleplayer test map, it gives me +8 fps boost, and +9000 stutter boost |
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Fixer |
RealBadAngel, "Use tangent space meshes only when shaders are enabled" performance went down by 2% ::) |
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Fixer |
damn ati |
| 13:08 |
Fixer |
tangent + meshes in inventory + last shader selection thing does not affect performance on default config |
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Fixer |
so i will look at filmic hdr now |
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ObsidianZ3R0 |
hey all! |
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ObsidianZ3R0 |
anybody awake? |
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red-001 |
yes |
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ObsidianZ3R0 |
awesome |
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ObsidianZ3R0 |
programming in lua for mine test, is there anyway to get the console output ? i want to send it out via socket |
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ObsidianZ3R0 |
looked at the api documents and didn't see it. |
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red-001 |
nope |
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red-001 |
afaik |
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red-001 |
you could open the file |
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red-001 |
you need to configure minetest to run the mod without a sandbox |
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ObsidianZ3R0 |
crap... |
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red-001 |
why do you need conesol output? |
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red-001 |
console* |
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ObsidianZ3R0 |
monitoring |
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red-001 |
you could get output form lua mods... |
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ObsidianZ3R0 |
OH never thought of that! |
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red-001 |
redefine print() |
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ObsidianZ3R0 |
maybe i should start with something simple... getting chat |
| 13:25 |
red-001 |
but minetest doesn't have lua socket by default... |
| 13:25 |
red-001 |
yeah |
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ObsidianZ3R0 |
i'll pipe that to the socket |
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ObsidianZ3R0 |
nope... i noticed. |
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ObsidianZ3R0 |
installed and tested lua socket wrote a simple echo server |
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ObsidianZ3R0 |
plan on building my own protocol and then attempt to control nodes via socket |
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ObsidianZ3R0 |
an extension to digilines |
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ObsidianZ3R0 |
a socket node would be awesome |
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ObsidianZ3R0 |
using http post would be the end result. |
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ObsidianZ3R0 |
then you could create all sorts of web interfaces for stuff... |
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red-001 |
nice? |
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red-001 |
sounds useful |
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ObsidianZ3R0 |
yeah i am a java programmer... so lua is pretty new... |
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ObsidianZ3R0 |
reminds me of BASIC... haven't used that since the 90's |
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ObsidianZ3R0 |
anyway i'll go look at the docs for getting chat. |
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red-001 |
dev wiki is outdated |
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red-001 |
lua_api.txt is more up to date |
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ObsidianZ3R0 |
k k thanks red-001 |
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ObsidianZ3R0 |
want my minetest server address? |
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ObsidianZ3R0 |
i am very very new to minetest, i crash my server hourly lol |
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red-001 |
sure |
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ObsidianZ3R0 |
not sure but i think my minetest_game is outdated... |
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ObsidianZ3R0 |
com.fragninja.com |
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ObsidianZ3R0 |
i have a mumble server as well |
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ObsidianZ3R0 |
not on it at the moment though.... but it's there same address |
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ObsidianZ3R0 |
well red-001 got a simple http server running in lua |
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red-001 |
nice |
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ObsidianZ3R0 |
i wonder if RTC would be better then generic sockets... |
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red-001 |
so you could make something like a status page? |
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ObsidianZ3R0 |
red-001 i could create an http not for digilines |
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ObsidianZ3R0 |
sorry i could create an interface to digilines |
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ObsidianZ3R0 |
basically you could send/recieve signals on channels from a blocks via http |
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ObsidianZ3R0 |
but the more i think about it websockets might be a better idea... and use WebRTC |
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Fixer |
RealBadAngel, false alarm, filmic hdr is good to go, practically no fps impact, however found crash to desktop, more info in PR 3612 |
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Telesight |
Hello all ... Is there a way to get a pipeworks deployer active on distance when in the deployer area is no player active? |
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giho |
Yes, you should use mod that foreceloads chunks, e.g. forceload |
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Telesight |
giho: Ok I will dive into that ... |
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giho |
I think technic had chunk loaders too, but I'm not sure. |
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Telesight |
Well, for me action A must start action B on distance, but it does not work because in the B area is no player at that moment ... |
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Fixer_ |
red-001, compiled farmap? |
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swift110-phone |
Good morning |
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red-001 |
fixer yes |
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Fixer_ |
red-001, nice, can you share package with me? |
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proller |
http://build.freeminer.org/freeminermt-0.4.13.7-1166-g90f468d-win32.zip 8) |
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red-001 |
sure like my compile a release build |
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red-001 |
let* |
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ObsidianZ3R0 |
is freeminer the same as minetest red-001 ? |
| 17:15 |
kaadmy |
ObsidianZ3R0: a bit different |
| 17:15 |
red-001 |
not much |
| 17:15 |
ObsidianZ3R0 |
kaadmy, mod compatible? |
| 17:15 |
kaadmy |
maybe.. |
| 17:15 |
red-001 |
partly |
| 17:15 |
red-001 |
iorc |
| 17:15 |
kaadmy |
i think the minetest mod name namespace is changed to freeminer |
| 17:15 |
red-001 |
iirc mapgens aren't |
| 17:16 |
red-001 |
kaadmy nope it's changed to core |
| 17:16 |
ObsidianZ3R0 |
ahhhh right |
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| 17:16 |
ObsidianZ3R0 |
minetest is still actively developed though |
| 17:16 |
ObsidianZ3R0 |
freeminer is a fork? or a complete rewrite? |
| 17:16 |
est31 |
fork |
| 17:16 |
red-001 |
btw you can use core instead of minetest as the namespace in minetest |
| 17:17 |
proller |
mods compatible |
| 17:17 |
est31 |
pushing the "fork" button is much easier than rewriting everything |
| 17:17 |
ObsidianZ3R0 |
rewrites usually clean things up est31 |
| 17:17 |
kaadmy |
ah |
| 17:17 |
red-001 |
they did rewrite water code |
| 17:18 |
ObsidianZ3R0 |
optimize stuff etc... |
| 17:18 |
proller |
702 files changed, 48427 insertions(+), 18516 deletions(-) |
| 17:18 |
est31 |
ObsidianZ3R0, well talk to proller perhaps you can convince him to rewrite everything |
| 17:18 |
ObsidianZ3R0 |
est31, .. |
| 17:18 |
ObsidianZ3R0 |
anyway, as i was saying minetest is still in active development right? |
| 17:19 |
proller |
active refactoring for refactoring ;) |
| 17:19 |
RealBadAngel |
ObsidianZ3R0, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commits/master |
| 17:19 |
red-001 |
I wish minetest had a main menu similar to freeminers |
| 17:20 |
RealBadAngel |
nah |
| 17:20 |
est31 |
ObsidianZ3R0, it is |
| 17:21 |
red-001 |
proller can freeminer be compiled in the same way as minetest? |
| 17:21 |
proller |
even easier! |
| 17:21 |
proller |
curl https://raw.githubusercontent.com/freeminer/freeminer/master/build/debian_ogles.sh | sh |
| 17:21 |
proller |
oops |
| 17:22 |
red-001 |
on windows |
| 17:22 |
proller |
MUCH easier ;) |
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| 17:22 |
proller |
https://github.com/freeminer/freeminer/tree/master/build/windows_vs2015 |
| 17:23 |
Krock |
in windows > 5.1 *cough* |
| 17:23 |
red-001 |
I don't want to use virtualbox for compiling a game |
| 17:23 |
proller |
or if you have vs2013 : https://github.com/freeminer/freeminer/tree/master/build/windows |
| 17:24 |
red-001 |
what is NUget.exe? |
| 17:24 |
proller |
virus! |
| 17:25 |
proller |
oops.. |
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est31 |
nuget is windows package manager |
| 17:25 |
est31 |
very good tool |
| 17:25 |
red-001 |
and why is virtualbox needed? |
| 17:26 |
proller |
no, only if you under linux |
| 17:26 |
red-001 |
oh |
| 17:26 |
red-001 |
ok |
| 17:26 |
ObsidianZ3R0 |
no native binary for linux? |
| 17:26 |
est31 |
Krock, your OS isn't supported anymore, by almost anybody |
| 17:27 |
est31 |
Krock, btw which browser do you use? |
| 17:27 |
Krock |
IE 6 |
| 17:27 |
Krock |
nah, just kidding. firefox |
| 17:27 |
proller |
1.0 ? |
| 17:27 |
Krock |
42 |
| 17:27 |
Krock |
0.42 beta version <.< |
| 17:28 |
est31 |
lol |
| 17:28 |
est31 |
40 days test version |
| 17:28 |
Krock |
what? I've only got three weeks |
| 17:29 |
Krock |
I'm reinstalling it everytime cuz I haven't found a way to turn off the activation yet |
| 17:31 |
red-001 |
what os you you have Krock ? |
| 17:32 |
red-001 |
windows xp? |
| 17:32 |
Krock |
5.1 aka XP |
| 17:32 |
Krock |
upgraded last week from win 98 and I'm very happy about this |
| 17:33 |
ObsidianZ3R0 |
the activation for windows xp doesn't work anymore? |
| 17:33 |
Krock |
I'm talking about the activation of firefox <.< |
| 17:33 |
est31 |
if Krock updated last week to windows xp, he must have activated it |
| 17:33 |
red-001 |
activation of firefox ?! |
| 17:34 |
ObsidianZ3R0 |
what?! |
| 17:34 |
Krock |
est31, but firefox still gives me troubles |
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| 17:35 |
est31 |
you need pro version, its much better |
| 17:35 |
Krock |
Seriously, if there's anyone in here who this is serious content should /quit right now |
| 17:35 |
red-001 |
?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!????!??!!? |
| 17:35 |
Krock |
*thinks this is |
| 17:35 |
CWz |
why was krock stuck with windows 98 |
| 17:35 |
CWz |
minetest doesn't run on windows 98 |
| 17:35 |
Krock |
est31, but it costs about $240 |
| 17:36 |
red-001 |
is this a joke? |
| 17:36 |
CWz |
whoops |
| 17:36 |
red-001 |
firefox pro?! |
| 17:36 |
red-001 |
ohh |
| 17:36 |
red-001 |
you mean windows xp pro |
| 17:36 |
Obani |
.¬. |
| 17:36 |
est31 |
no, its dead serious red-001. |
| 17:36 |
melzua |
krock was following the downgrade path |
| 17:37 |
Krock |
so upgrading from 98 to xp was a downgrade? |
| 17:37 |
Krock |
please explain |
| 17:37 |
CWz |
XP was last super good windows everything started turning down hill when Vista showed up |
| 17:37 |
melzua |
you should end on windows 3.1 |
| 17:37 |
proller |
why not NT 4.0 ? |
| 17:37 |
CWz |
why not MS-DOs |
| 17:38 |
Krock |
melzua, I cna't connect the cable to the wireless adapter in there... throws some kind of error |
| 17:38 |
melzua |
XD |
| 17:38 |
CWz |
I remember back when i was kid i remember windows 95 and it's theme song |
| 17:39 |
Krock |
and the "goodtime" song on the CD |
| 17:39 |
CWz |
uh |
| 17:39 |
est31 |
my first computer was XP |
| 17:39 |
edj |
My first computer was a TRS-80 Color Computer running at ALMOST 1 MHz (yes, that megahertz) :) |
| 17:39 |
CWz |
there was no userfriendly linux back than |
| 17:39 |
est31 |
is there now |
| 17:40 |
edj |
In high resolution mode, my TRS-80 Color Computer had a rockin' 320x200 resolution! |
| 17:40 |
Krock |
what? there's 320x200 resolution yet? |
| 17:40 |
edj |
Or maybe is was 256xSomething. I don't remember anymore since it was like 35 years ago |
| 17:41 |
Fixer |
Win 7 was the last good |
| 17:41 |
CWz |
Ah the 80's back when Playing GTA would result in a jail sentence |
| 17:41 |
Krock |
Fixer, like in the bisect diagnostics: Last known good: 7 |
| 17:41 |
Fixer |
everything went downhill (tm) after Win XP release (trollface) |
| 17:42 |
Fixer |
that feel of cheap product for housewifes |
| 17:42 |
CWz |
Windows VISTA was a dev LSD trip |
| 17:42 |
Krock |
good old times where holls existed to go down |
| 17:42 |
Krock |
*hills |
| 17:42 |
edj |
Win7 is a little painful these days if you do a new install, since MS hasn't rolled out an updated service pack in forever, so you install Win7 and then watch it update and reboot for like 24 hours |
| 17:42 |
Fixer |
Krock, now they are deep under, lowering the bar (tm) |
| 17:43 |
Krock |
edj, there are complete update packs which do it in one step |
| 17:43 |
edj |
Krock: Official ones from MS? |
| 17:43 |
Krock |
Fixer, ah I see |
| 17:43 |
edj |
I installed Win7 into a VM recently and used MS's iso download tool to grab Win7 |
| 17:43 |
edj |
And it took f-o-r-e-v-e-r to install updates |
| 17:43 |
edj |
After the initial install |
| 17:43 |
Krock |
edj, rather provided by pitying people |
| 17:44 |
edj |
Krock: Oh, yeah, I Do Not Trust those |
| 17:44 |
edj |
Thus took the official MS path |
| 17:44 |
CWz |
windows has no software centre. best os? my ass |
| 17:44 |
Krock |
edj, all I can say about them that the ones for Win XP were fine. One reboot and done :) |
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Fixer |
edj, don't forget to uninstall some crappy "updates" |
| 17:44 |
edj |
Krock: No hidden malware? |
| 17:44 |
est31 |
in linux you have one reboot maximum |
| 17:45 |
* edj |
trusts Linux WAY more |
| 17:45 |
est31 |
never understood why windows requires multiple reboots |
| 17:45 |
Krock |
CWz, it allows the users to choose one because one from M$' production would be horrible :P |
| 17:45 |
Fixer |
edj, there are tools that integrate everything into ISO |
| 17:45 |
edj |
Fixer: Oh like build-your-own yeah |
| 17:45 |
Fixer |
est31, tradition (trollface) |
| 17:45 |
Krock |
edj, nope. No single virus or strange software |
| 17:45 |
Fixer |
est31, that's because you are geek or admin or both |
| 17:46 |
CWz |
Windows 10 is like inviting over Microsoft to use your toilet and shower and refrigerator without cleaning ther hands first |
| 17:46 |
Fixer |
install XP... hell Win10 to average human and it will be ruined after some time |
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Krock |
est31, because it takes time to find holes to put the bugs in |
| 17:46 |
est31 |
lol |
| 17:47 |
edj |
I use Win10 because games :( Otherwise I'd be on Mac or Linux |
| 17:47 |
CWz |
windows 7 can games as well |
| 17:48 |
Krock |
bomberman, tetris, pong.. |
| 17:48 |
edj |
I think my machine came with 8.1 so... |
| 17:48 |
CWz |
I hate when they do that |
| 17:49 |
Fixer |
my Win98SE on Duron 900Mhz boot time was faster then on Core i3 3.3GHz and Win7, not to say first used <1Gb of space, and 7 uses 30.5GB |
| 17:49 |
Krock |
Fixer, there were much less things to load and prepare |
| 17:49 |
Fixer |
30.5 GB for f-ing /Windows folder |
| 17:49 |
edj |
My favorite OS is probably iOS because it Just Works :) |
| 17:49 |
CWz |
when I buy a computer i don't like it when someass leaves a steaming turd in it. |
| 17:49 |
Krock |
not because it takes less time to write than windows? |
| 17:50 |
proller |
good thing about win10+vs2015 - you can install into vbox without hacking serials annd use 1 month |
| 17:50 |
proller |
then just recreate vm ;) |
| 17:50 |
Fixer |
I have impression that celeron 366MHz with Win98SE will boot faster than my Win7 (little under 2 min, it loads hexchat, quiterss, everything, utorrent, not much) |
| 17:51 |
Krock |
and the NSA is happy too |
| 17:51 |
Fixer |
Krock, why worry? lots of people happily document their lifes via facebook |
| 17:51 |
Fixer |
lives* |
| 17:51 |
Fixer |
or lifes* |
| 17:51 |
Fixer |
whatever |
| 17:51 |
Krock |
right. > lots of |
| 17:52 |
est31 |
and I talk on a publicly logged IRC channel |
| 17:52 |
est31 |
totally private in here |
| 17:55 |
Krock |
we all know your name, cell phone number, the place where your house lives.. |
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| 17:56 |
Fixer |
Krock, also, people put so much info that NSA don't really need that much spies anymore, example from my home, in Ukraine lots of special people browse enemy accounts from neighbour country, and guess what, they are so full of info/evidence and crazy useful stuff (movement, participation in war, etc). NSA should give at least some kind of NSA prize to Facebook founder. And people are buying that :} |
| 17:57 |
Krock |
lol |
| 17:58 |
Fixer |
i don't understand people, they put all their lifes for viewing |
| 17:58 |
Krock |
the sugarhill has enough money .. doesn't need another prize :P |
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| 17:59 |
Krock |
zucker berg -> from de -> sugar hill |
| 17:59 |
Fixer |
social networks distracted people from IM, that at least got some encryption |
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| 18:00 |
Fixer |
and that Skype kind of "encryption" sucks |
| 18:00 |
est31 |
doesnt suck if you are the state |
| 18:00 |
Fixer |
right |
| 18:01 |
Fixer |
but terrorists will blow up anything anyway without skype or even internet, old style |
| 18:01 |
Fixer |
who cares |
| 18:02 |
Fixer |
security at airport? phhh, take AK and kill 100 people at other places |
| 18:02 |
Fixer |
and it is just 3 or so terrorists |
| 18:03 |
Krock |
C4 helps too |
| 18:03 |
Fixer |
so what now? everyone should buy safe cage in a prison and have "happy" lifes |
| 18:03 |
Fixer |
or ban knifes |
| 18:03 |
Fixer |
when will they ban? |
| 18:03 |
Fixer |
seriosly |
| 18:04 |
Fixer |
you can kill someone just this second |
| 18:04 |
Fixer |
ban people |
| 18:04 |
Fixer |
be happy |
| 18:05 |
Fixer |
Stallman was right (trollface) |
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| 18:09 |
Fixer |
and that SOPA bullshit sneaked in a US budget, that was sooo looow, even by Eastern Europe standards |
| 18:09 |
* Fixer |
eat |
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kaeza |
Greetings |
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Matthew_Moore |
Hello? |
| 18:15 |
giho |
Greetings, mortal. |
| 18:16 |
Matthew_Moore |
I am trying to figure out where my SinglePlayer game is saved on Linux, So i can move it to another machine. |
| 18:17 |
Matthew_Moore |
I know where it is in Windows. But i can't find the Directory in Linux. |
| 18:17 |
giho |
~/.minetest/worlds |
| 18:17 |
red-001 |
./minetest/worlds |
| 18:17 |
red-001 |
in you user folder |
| 18:18 |
Matthew_Moore |
Ok. Thanks. |
| 18:18 |
red-001 |
!next |
| 18:18 |
MinetestBot |
Another satisfied customer. Next! |
| 18:18 |
Matthew_Moore |
:) |
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giho |
I love to join linux channels and say Folder instead of Directory... |
| 18:20 |
* giho |
hides |
| 18:20 |
* red-001 |
*sigh* |
| 18:20 |
Calinou |
Fixer> Stallman was right (trollface) |
| 18:20 |
Calinou |
there's a subreddit for it |
| 18:20 |
Calinou |
/r/StallmanWasRight |
| 18:21 |
red-001 |
there is a subreddit for everything |
| 18:23 |
red-001 |
proller in what way would you say freeminer is better then minetest? |
| 18:24 |
proller |
Real liquids, weather, seasons |
| 18:24 |
proller |
fast reliable network protocol, fast multi-threaded server, utf8 chat, built in /stat command |
| 18:24 |
est31 |
reliable lol |
| 18:24 |
red-001 |
weather written in c++? |
| 18:24 |
proller |
нуы |
| 18:24 |
proller |
yes |
| 18:25 |
red-001 |
interesting |
| 18:25 |
proller |
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIRUqUD0bJ2wpxTQ01gbG3g |
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| 18:25 |
proller |
core algo with lua definition |
| 18:29 |
red-001 |
is the slow lava cooling an ABM? |
| 18:30 |
giho |
proller: would lua-based-weather-mod-like weather ( http://me0w.net/pit/1444559306 ) be possible and actually less laggy in freeminer? |
| 18:31 |
ObsidianZ3R0 |
proller, how well does it run on older hardware |
| 18:31 |
ObsidianZ3R0 |
or tablets and phones? |
| 18:32 |
proller |
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.freeminer.freeminer |
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| 18:33 |
proller |
giho, your video about visuals - no, its not supported yet |
| 18:33 |
proller |
fm weather about dynamic core heat-humidity map |
| 18:34 |
afflatus |
I'm doing really well today, I have now successfully b0rked my minetest client. :D oh joy |
| 18:34 |
afflatus |
Installing luacheck wasn't such a good idea, now I have to figure what's blocking the client |
| 18:35 |
proller |
visuals near RealBadAngel 's shaders work |
| 18:35 |
giho |
proller: in minetest I can just ban people to make server less laggy :3 |
| 18:35 |
afflatus |
The menu works ok, but when I get to |
| 18:35 |
afflatus |
INFO[Main]: Audio: Deinitializing... |
| 18:35 |
afflatus |
It hangs |
| 18:39 |
afflatus |
regardless of version, game or world |
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afflatus |
Ych y fi! |
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proller |
giho, in freeminer i can have 100+ players online without lags |
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afflatus |
This isn't so much a minetest problem as the state of Lua and Irrlicht packages in Debian testing. |
| 18:54 |
Midnight_Mane |
looking for a server for some one who just starting out |
| 18:55 |
afflatus |
Probably any server with between 1 and 6 players |
| 18:56 |
afflatus |
natuarlly I would recommend Grail Test, but that's not minetest_game |
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| 19:02 |
Fixer |
Calinou, LOL |
| 19:04 |
Fixer |
iPhone 6s rendered immediately and permanently bricked by latest iOS 9 designed to detect 'unauthorised' third-party repairs |
| 19:04 |
Fixer |
shitware |
| 19:05 |
Fixer |
Feds don’t need crypto backdoors to spy—your TV and toothbrush will do |
| 19:05 |
Fixer |
true |
| 19:05 |
Fixer |
amount of IoT BS is over 9000 |
| 19:07 |
Calinou |
BSoT |
| 19:08 |
Fixer |
http://www.zmatt.net/unlocking-my-lenovo-laptop-part-1/ |
| 19:08 |
Fixer |
jeez, so much shitware |
| 19:08 |
Fixer |
"The system does not support batteries that are not genuine Lenovo-made or authorized. The system will continue to boot, but may not charge unauthorized batteries." |
| 19:08 |
Fixer |
lol |
| 19:09 |
Calinou |
Fixer, yeah, battery DRM is already a thing since a few years |
| 19:09 |
Calinou |
Dell also does it |
| 19:09 |
Fixer |
pfff |
| 19:09 |
Fixer |
Calinou, wth? |
| 19:09 |
Fixer |
now this bullshit? |
| 19:12 |
Fixer |
"was told, that there are no replacement batteries for any MacBooks older than 5 years" |
| 19:12 |
Fixer |
trololo |
| 19:12 |
Fixer |
who needs 5 year old shitware, right? buy new crappy one! |
| 19:14 |
Fixer |
"Apple glues batteries" |
| 19:14 |
Fixer |
0_o |
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Krock |
"New, apples with worms integrated" |
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| 19:17 |
Fixer |
yes |
| 19:17 |
Fixer |
pain is now more wonderful |
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| 19:19 |
Fixer |
and now with all those powerful hardware that needs rare replacement, will see how manufacturers will screw the buyers |
| 19:19 |
afflatus |
It's affecting pidgin and vlc, so it has to be an audio problem |
| 19:20 |
Fixer |
afflatus, quote? |
| 19:23 |
Fixer |
"Avast: a Chromium fork with critical security checks removed (code.google.com)" |
| 19:23 |
est31 |
like that entry |
| 19:24 |
Fixer |
it feels like amount of bullshit increases over time, like entropy |
| 19:26 |
diemartin |
I've been trying Pale Moon under Linux. So far so good. It's basically Firefox sans crap |
| 19:27 |
Fixer |
Firefox future is not clear |
| 19:28 |
est31 |
even mozilla is actively trying to deprecate firefox |
| 19:28 |
est31 |
they plan to replace it with servo |
| 19:28 |
est31 |
next generation browser engine |
| 19:29 |
est31 |
parallel rendering, etc |
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| 19:29 |
est31 |
written in rust, so its super safe |
| 19:29 |
Fixer |
lol |
| 19:29 |
Fixer |
when i hear "super safe" |
| 19:30 |
diemartin |
ever heard "Make it foolproof, and someone will invent a better fool?" |
| 19:31 |
Fixer |
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cac0mYXW0AAWTNI.jpg LOL |
| 19:32 |
est31 |
hah |
| 19:32 |
Fixer |
i think I will publish some of my fps tests on forum |
| 19:32 |
Fixer |
so much pain with them |
| 19:33 |
melzua |
afflatus: I'm on debian testing and don't have any audio problems with vlc. I'm recompiling minetest just now... |
| 19:34 |
Fixer |
results of my tests: http://pastebin.com/raw/UJxmjkce |
| 19:34 |
Fixer |
~40 2 min tests |
| 19:35 |
afflatus |
Fixed client - it was an audio glitch :) |
| 19:35 |
Fixer |
70 nodes fixed range, unlimited fps, automated walking and recording |
| 19:35 |
red-001 |
https://code.google.com/p/google-security-research/issues/detail?id=679 |
| 19:35 |
diemartin |
Fixer, what card? |
| 19:36 |
Fixer |
diemartin, AMD/ATI HD6870, it is not for comparison with other cards |
| 19:36 |
afflatus |
melzua: it was one of those upgrade wierdnesses |
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Fixer |
red-001, Avastium??? Is this a trolling? |
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Fixer |
this is madness! |
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afflatus |
I've just done that :) |
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afflatus |
looking at this I'm tempted to recompile the server with these settings |
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Fixer |
red-001, first was Trend Micro debucle, then Comodo Browser debucle, now Avastium debucle |
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Fixer |
smth is wrong here %) |
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Fixer |
shitty future |
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Fixer |
i don't want that |
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Fixer |
now security software is acting like malware, strange |
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Fixer |
._. |
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est31 |
why you say "now", Fixer ? |
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est31 |
didn't it do it all the time already? |
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afflatus |
So back to sorting out the grailtest server, which has incidentally just crashed again - and I mean the machine, not just the game. Suspecting hardware problems. |
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Fixer |
est31, few years it was not silently replacing my browser o_0 |
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Fixer |
in windows, you can expect everything |
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Fixer |
everybody went nuts |
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est31 |
Fixer, for a few years browsers allowed add-ons to mess with them |
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est31 |
then malware abused this |
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est31 |
and adware |
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est31 |
then browsers became more restricted |
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Fixer |
est31, just recently |
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est31 |
now you have to replace the binary |
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red-001 |
avasr doesn't replace the binary afaik |
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red-001 |
avast* |
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Fixer |
est31, not long ago, updated avast antivirus on a notebook *sigh*, silently installed some shopping addon that is adware, removed that shit and installed 3 yr older version, f-k them |
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red-001 |
they just forked chrome and renamed it |
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Fixer |
red-001, and introduced "security" |
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Fixer |
with "we will collect your data" in EULA |
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Fixer |
trololo |
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Calinou |
I don't use an antivirus when I use Windows |
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afflatus |
Actually I think the grail test server may actually be dead :( |
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Fixer |
red-001, you made my day (avastium my ass) |
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afflatus |
Which is almost certainly memory failure |
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melzua |
afflatus: :( |
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afflatus |
So now I start looking for a new machine. I could resuscitate it, but if it s memory failure it's probably not worth it. |
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melzua |
afflatus: take a look at arubacloud.com. They offer a small VPS for 1€/month (really) |
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melzua |
it's what I use for pixture server and it's ok (and very cheap :) ) |
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afflatus |
At that price I guess t's worth looking at :-) |
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melzua |
but of course it's a small machine, so no 100 players server :P |
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* afflatus |
looks |
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afflatus |
How many players can you support on 1gB |
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melzua |
idk, I've got 7 players once upon a time and do it's job very well |
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melzua |
:D |
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Krock |
afflatus, 1 GB what? webspace? |
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melzua |
Krock: RAM |
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Krock |
melzua, >20 people I'd say |
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Krock |
and that with lots of loaded chunks |
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Calinou |
1 GB of RAM is enough for 16 players |
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Calinou |
probably not more |
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Calinou |
think of the CPU as well |
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afflatus |
That would be enough |
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afflatus |
OK, recovered server :) |
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afflatus |
We'll see how long it lasts |
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afflatus |
Long enough to make a backup hopefully ... |
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red-001 |
you could always connect the hard drive to a different computer |
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afflatus |
Sure |
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afflatus |
Although that way I don't know if I'm backing up a corrupted world or not |
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afflatus |
If I can shut this one down cleanly, then I know it's clean |
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[git] RealBadAngel -> minetest/minetest: Use inventory_image in the first place for inventory item mesh 38e7122 https://git.io/vg0Ep (2016-02-08T23:13:19+01:00) |
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H-H-H |
hey guys is there a tutorial somewhere for howto register a new machine with technics mod |
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