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Time Nick Message
00:00 afflatus If I'm using a noise_thesh(h)old for ores does a higher value make them rarer?
00:02 kaadmy gah
00:02 kaadmy its a huge nightmare to support vanilla doom with wads that have custom patches/flats
00:06 kaadmy anybody want to play?
00:06 kaadmy !server pixture
00:06 MinetestBot kaadmy: pixture | pixture.quelcom.xyz | Clients: 0/10, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.13-dev / pixture | Ping: 11ms
00:07 afflatus So it does, whoops
00:07 jordan4ibanez is technic still under development?
00:10 DrCool i just install minetest on ubuntu and I don't see an icon to launch it.
00:12 DrCool ok, started it from terminal
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00:16 DrCool looks interesting.
00:17 kaadmy hmm
00:18 kaadmy for a "welcome" mod(asks if you agree to the rules), should it pop up every time you join without interact?
00:18 kaadmy and should it be available via a command to show it again?
00:18 rubenwardy yes
00:18 rubenwardy one sec
00:19 rubenwardy I made such a mod
00:19 kaadmy i know
00:19 kaadmy there's lots of them ;)
00:19 rubenwardy https://github.com/rubenwardy/capt​uretheflag/tree/master/mods/rules
00:19 kaadmy i'm making one for melzua's server
00:19 rubenwardy don't reinvent the wheel
00:19 rubenwardy :P
00:19 kaadmy i'll re-write it anyway
00:19 kaadmy practice ;)
00:19 rubenwardy that is wtfpl
00:20 kaadmy <kaadmy> i'll re-write it anyway
00:20 rubenwardy That one has the advantages of being FOSS (agreerules is propietary) and is very simple
00:20 rubenwardy Ok, have fun
00:20 kaadmy it's almost done already ^-^
00:21 kaadmy and you have a problem with  your rules mod
00:21 kaadmy i think..
00:21 kaadmy if you type /rules then close the formspec by pressing escape it'll kick you
00:21 rubenwardy lol
00:21 kaadmy ah nevermind
00:21 rubenwardy easy to fix though
00:21 kaadmy it checks against that already
00:21 rubenwardy yes: https://github.com/rubenwardy/capturethe​flag/blob/master/mods/rules/init.lua#L75
00:22 kaadmy i saw that afterwards :D
00:22 kaadmy i'll make mine not as harsh
00:23 rubenwardy as in, add guest support?
00:23 kaadmy it won't kick you, it just won't grant you interact
00:23 kaadmy you can just accept later after looking around
00:23 rubenwardy I haven't released that mod as a separate mod, so it's not configurable
00:23 rubenwardy but would be trivial to change
00:23 rubenwardy but write your own mod
00:23 rubenwardy good for learning
00:23 rubenwardy I do that a lot
00:24 kaadmy currently 30 lines and nearly done
00:24 kaadmy can labels in formspecs handle \n characters as newlines?
00:25 rubenwardy not sure
00:25 rubenwardy I wouldn't be surprised either way
00:25 rubenwardy you should use a textlist though, to allow scrolling
00:26 kaadmy will do
00:26 kaadmy https://github.com/rubenwardy/capturethe​flag/blob/master/mods/rules/init.lua#L17
00:26 kaadmy "       to trap team mates on purpuse.",
00:27 kaadmy huh, i didn't know that was how to spell purpose
00:27 rubenwardy lol
00:27 rubenwardy I do all my own proofreading XD
00:28 rubenwardy fixed
00:28 kaadmy what proofreading O.O
00:28 rubenwardy It's pretty good compared to some other mods I've read
00:28 rubenwardy although can't give examples
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00:45 Fixer did >40 2min fps tests with various settings today
00:45 Fixer on a special map
00:51 kaadmy rubenwardy: with your rules mod, couldn't you just press escape to close the formspec?
00:51 kaadmy you don't check for that
00:51 rubenwardy It still sends quit=true
00:51 swift110 hey rubenwardy
00:51 rubenwardy I did test for that
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00:55 MinetestBot [git] kaeza -> minetest/minetest: builtin: Fix `print` crashing on nil "holes". 4301953 https://git.io/vg4lC (2016-02-08T01:55:02+01:00)
01:00 kaadmy ok, pixture now has a welcome mod builtin
01:03 rubenwardy yay
01:07 RealBadAngel kaadmy, what does it do?
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01:18 rubenwardy RealBadAngel, displays a formspec when joining a server displaying the rules, then gives privs when you click yes
01:27 RealBadAngel quite nice idea
01:28 rubenwardy done before many times
01:28 rubenwardy <k__dmy> i'll re-write it anyway
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02:03 jordan4ibanez Is this the only up to date car mod? https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=7967
02:12 DrCool everyone is watching the SuperBowl...
02:12 DrCool probably
02:14 RealBadAngel rubenwardy, why do you have still fucked up wielded?
02:14 rubenwardy because 0.4.13 stable
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02:14 cornernote hey all
02:14 RealBadAngel oh hi cornernote :)
02:15 RealBadAngel good to see you alive
02:15 rubenwardy I use latest dev on my server and on my GNU/Linux machine
02:15 RealBadAngel rubenwardy, so, you have put there wielded only, without inventory, yes?
02:15 cornernote question to anyone (to get you thinking)...  A bat and a ball cost $1.10 .. the bat costs $1.00 more than the ball... how much does the ball cost?
02:15 rubenwardy yeah. The code exactly as given
02:16 rubenwardy $0.05
02:16 cornernote nice
02:17 rubenwardy I got one. Expand (a-x)*(b-x)*(c-x)*...*(z-x)
02:17 rubenwardy Not a very good one, I admit
02:17 cornernote what do you mean expand ?
02:18 cornernote simplify ?
02:18 RealBadAngel explode?
02:19 rubenwardy expand means 3(x+y) === 3x + y
02:19 rubenwardy and you can also simplify
02:19 rubenwardy so you should end up with a very simple form
02:19 rubenwardy *simpler form
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02:20 cornernote 3(x+y) === 3x + y ??
02:20 rubenwardy oops
02:20 rubenwardy 3x + 3y :S
02:20 cornernote ok
02:20 DrCool ha, i was confused also..
02:20 DrCool :)
02:22 cornernote the expansion of the problem seems complicated... i don't think i'll get it, see if anyone else does...
02:23 cornernote ahh, ok, its 0
02:23 rubenwardy XD
02:23 cornernote *(x-x) === *0
02:23 rubenwardy anyway, gtg
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02:28 ssieb I'm using v6 mapgen and biomes.  Does anyone know where to find clay?  Last I played quite a while back, it used to be found at water level in some places, but we haven't been able to find any clay at all anywhere.
02:49 Hijiri is it possible with a nodebox drawtype to use different textures for the same face on different nodeboxes?
02:57 RealBadAngel with nodeboxes texure is mapped on whole sized cube
02:57 Hijiri ok
02:58 Hijiri well ok, I'll have to make a mixed texture
02:58 RealBadAngel faces of individual nodeboxes will get coresponding pieces from whole face
02:58 RealBadAngel if you need different texures for individual nodeboxes you need mesh drawtyope
02:59 Hijiri I just made mixed textures
02:59 Hijiri so I can map the parts I want onto the right nodeboxes
02:59 RealBadAngel sometimes thats enough
02:59 Hijiri I guess if there were multiple parts with the same parts of the same face exposed it wouldn't work
02:59 RealBadAngel but for more flexibility, meshes are only solution
03:00 RealBadAngel exactly
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03:49 jordan4ibanez Can I make an entity only visible to one person?
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03:56 kaadmy jordan4ibanez: i don't think so
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06:57 kaeza o/
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09:05 MinetestBot [git] RealBadAngel -> minetest/minetest: Cleanup selection mesh code, add shaders for halo and selection boxes b44da49 https://git.io/vg45Z (2016-02-08T03:57:42-05:00)
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09:53 JamesTait Good morning all!  Happy Monday, and happy Chinese New Year! 😃
09:54 red-001 good morning
09:55 Krock moin
09:55 RealBadAngel 早上好
09:59 JamesTait Bless you!
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10:01 afflatus I'm taking the grailtest server down for a bit until I can figure out why it keepscrashing
10:02 Krock debug logs?
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10:02 afflatus As I'm not getting any specific error messages I'm assuming this has something to do with leaky globals
10:03 Krock recently tried to stop a lua script execution, using a timeout timer.. the only thing that I learned was that Lua doesn't like to be interrupted from outside
10:04 afflatus I'm going to start looking at functions more closely
10:04 afflatus right
10:05 afflatus will luachecker work with minetest code?
10:06 afflatus I'll find out soon enough ;-)
10:08 afflatus The crashes happen on major map changes, i.e. exploring or digging a lot in a short space of time
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10:26 afflatus Well it looks like luacheck might give me something to work on
10:26 afflatus I can see I'm going to have to go through nod by mod
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11:42 afflatus Does the dedicated_server_step setting affect garbage collection?
11:43 sfan5 most likely not
11:43 sfan5 lua does gc on it's own
11:43 afflatus I know but you can tweak it
11:45 afflatus I might try reducing it anyway as I have it set relatively hgh
11:45 afflatus and probaby don't need to anymore
11:46 afflatus I'm just looking to quick ways of reducing memory usage to give me time to go through the code with a fine toothcomb
11:47 afflatus The other option, of course, is to leave the server down
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12:41 Fixer ._.
12:43 Fixer RealBadAngel, funny, how when I disable shaders on my singleplayer test map, it gives me +8 fps boost, and +9000 stutter boost
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13:07 Fixer RealBadAngel, "Use tangent space meshes only when shaders are enabled" performance went down by 2% ::)
13:08 Fixer damn ati
13:08 Fixer tangent + meshes in inventory + last shader selection thing does not affect performance on default config
13:08 Fixer so i will look at filmic hdr now
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13:19 ObsidianZ3R0 hey all!
13:19 ObsidianZ3R0 anybody awake?
13:19 red-001 yes
13:20 ObsidianZ3R0 awesome
13:21 ObsidianZ3R0 programming in lua for mine test, is there anyway to get the console output ? i want to send it out via socket
13:21 ObsidianZ3R0 looked at the api documents and didn't see it.
13:21 red-001 nope
13:22 red-001 afaik
13:22 red-001 you could open the file
13:22 red-001 you need to configure minetest to run the mod without a sandbox
13:23 ObsidianZ3R0 crap...
13:23 red-001 why do you need conesol output?
13:23 red-001 console*
13:23 ObsidianZ3R0 monitoring
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13:24 red-001 you could get output form lua mods...
13:24 ObsidianZ3R0 OH never thought of that!
13:24 red-001 redefine print()
13:25 ObsidianZ3R0 maybe i should start with something simple... getting chat
13:25 red-001 but minetest doesn't have lua socket by default...
13:25 red-001 yeah
13:25 ObsidianZ3R0 i'll pipe that to the socket
13:26 ObsidianZ3R0 nope... i noticed.
13:26 ObsidianZ3R0 installed and tested lua socket wrote a simple echo server
13:27 ObsidianZ3R0 plan on building my own protocol and then attempt to control nodes via socket
13:27 ObsidianZ3R0 an extension to digilines
13:27 ObsidianZ3R0 a socket node would be awesome
13:27 ObsidianZ3R0 using http post would be the end result.
13:28 ObsidianZ3R0 then you could create all sorts of web interfaces for stuff...
13:28 red-001 nice?
13:28 red-001 sounds useful
13:28 ObsidianZ3R0 yeah i am a java programmer... so lua is pretty new...
13:29 ObsidianZ3R0 reminds me of BASIC... haven't used that since the 90's
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13:32 ObsidianZ3R0 anyway i'll go look at the docs for getting chat.
13:33 red-001 dev wiki is outdated
13:33 red-001 lua_api.txt is more up to date
13:34 ObsidianZ3R0 k k thanks red-001
13:34 ObsidianZ3R0 want my minetest server address?
13:34 ObsidianZ3R0 i am very very new to minetest, i crash my server hourly lol
13:35 red-001 sure
13:35 ObsidianZ3R0 not sure but i think my minetest_game is outdated...
13:35 ObsidianZ3R0 com.fragninja.com
13:35 ObsidianZ3R0 i have a mumble server as well
13:35 ObsidianZ3R0 not on it at the moment though.... but it's there same address
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14:06 ObsidianZ3R0 well red-001 got a simple http server running in lua
14:08 red-001 nice
14:08 ObsidianZ3R0 i wonder if RTC would be better then generic sockets...
14:09 red-001 so you could make something like a status page?
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14:09 ObsidianZ3R0 red-001 i could create an http not for digilines
14:09 ObsidianZ3R0 sorry i could create an interface to digilines
14:10 ObsidianZ3R0 basically you could send/recieve  signals on channels from a blocks via http
14:10 ObsidianZ3R0 but the more i think about it websockets might be a better idea... and use WebRTC
14:16 Fixer RealBadAngel, false alarm, filmic hdr is good to go, practically no fps impact, however found crash to desktop, more info in PR 3612
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15:53 Telesight Hello all ... Is there a way to get a pipeworks deployer active on distance when in the deployer area is no player active?
15:55 giho Yes, you should use mod that foreceloads chunks, e.g. forceload
15:56 Telesight giho: Ok I will dive into that ...
15:56 giho I think technic had chunk loaders too, but I'm not sure.
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15:58 Telesight Well, for me action A must start action B on distance, but it does not work because in the B area is no player at that moment ...
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16:01 Fixer_ red-001, compiled farmap?
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16:07 swift110-phone Good morning
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16:30 red-001 fixer yes
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16:32 Fixer_ red-001, nice, can you share package with me?
16:32 proller http://build.freeminer.org/freeminer​mt-0.4.13.7-1166-g90f468d-win32.zip 8)
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16:36 red-001 sure like my compile a release build
16:36 red-001 let*
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17:14 ObsidianZ3R0 is freeminer the same as minetest red-001 ?
17:15 kaadmy ObsidianZ3R0: a bit different
17:15 red-001 not much
17:15 ObsidianZ3R0 kaadmy, mod compatible?
17:15 kaadmy maybe..
17:15 red-001 partly
17:15 red-001 iorc
17:15 kaadmy i think the minetest mod name namespace is changed to freeminer
17:15 red-001 iirc mapgens aren't
17:16 red-001 kaadmy nope it's changed to core
17:16 ObsidianZ3R0 ahhhh right
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17:16 ObsidianZ3R0 minetest is still actively developed though
17:16 ObsidianZ3R0 freeminer is a fork? or a complete rewrite?
17:16 est31 fork
17:16 red-001 btw you can use core instead of minetest as the namespace in minetest
17:17 proller mods compatible
17:17 est31 pushing the "fork" button is much easier than rewriting everything
17:17 ObsidianZ3R0 rewrites usually clean things up est31
17:17 kaadmy ah
17:17 red-001 they did rewrite water code
17:18 ObsidianZ3R0 optimize stuff etc...
17:18 proller 702 files changed, 48427 insertions(+), 18516 deletions(-)
17:18 est31 ObsidianZ3R0, well talk to proller perhaps you can convince him to rewrite everything
17:18 ObsidianZ3R0 est31, ..
17:18 ObsidianZ3R0 anyway, as i was saying minetest is still in active development right?
17:19 proller active refactoring for refactoring ;)
17:19 RealBadAngel ObsidianZ3R0, https://github.com/minetes​t/minetest/commits/master
17:19 red-001 I wish minetest had a main menu similar to freeminers
17:20 RealBadAngel nah
17:20 est31 ObsidianZ3R0, it is
17:21 red-001 proller can freeminer be compiled in the same way as minetest?
17:21 proller even easier!
17:21 proller curl https://raw.githubusercontent.com/freemin​er/freeminer/master/build/debian_ogles.sh | sh
17:21 proller oops
17:22 red-001 on windows
17:22 proller MUCH easier ;)
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17:22 proller https://github.com/freeminer/freemin​er/tree/master/build/windows_vs2015
17:23 Krock in windows > 5.1 *cough*
17:23 red-001 I don't want to use virtualbox for compiling a game
17:23 proller or if you have vs2013 : https://github.com/freeminer/fre​eminer/tree/master/build/windows
17:24 red-001 what is NUget.exe?
17:24 proller virus!
17:25 proller oops..
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17:25 est31 nuget is windows package manager
17:25 est31 very good tool
17:25 red-001 and why is virtualbox needed?
17:26 proller no, only if you under linux
17:26 red-001 oh
17:26 red-001 ok
17:26 ObsidianZ3R0 no native binary for linux?
17:26 est31 Krock, your OS isn't supported anymore, by almost anybody
17:27 est31 Krock, btw which browser do you use?
17:27 Krock IE 6
17:27 Krock nah, just kidding. firefox
17:27 proller 1.0 ?
17:27 Krock 42
17:27 Krock 0.42 beta version <.<
17:28 est31 lol
17:28 est31 40 days test version
17:28 Krock what? I've only got three weeks
17:29 Krock I'm reinstalling it everytime cuz I haven't found a way to turn off the activation yet
17:31 red-001 what os you you have Krock ?
17:32 red-001 windows xp?
17:32 Krock 5.1 aka XP
17:32 Krock upgraded last week from win 98 and I'm very happy about this
17:33 ObsidianZ3R0 the activation for windows xp doesn't work anymore?
17:33 Krock I'm talking about the activation of firefox <.<
17:33 est31 if Krock updated last week to windows xp, he must have activated it
17:33 red-001 activation of firefox ?!
17:34 ObsidianZ3R0 what?!
17:34 Krock est31, but firefox still gives me troubles
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17:35 est31 you need pro version, its much better
17:35 Krock Seriously, if there's anyone in here who this is serious content should /quit right now
17:35 red-001 ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!????!??!!?
17:35 Krock *thinks this is
17:35 CWz why was krock stuck with windows 98
17:35 CWz minetest doesn't run on windows 98
17:35 Krock est31, but it costs about $240
17:36 red-001 is this a joke?
17:36 CWz whoops
17:36 red-001 firefox pro?!
17:36 red-001 ohh
17:36 red-001 you mean windows xp pro
17:36 Obani .¬.
17:36 est31 no, its dead serious red-001.
17:36 melzua krock was following the downgrade path
17:37 Krock so upgrading from 98 to xp was a downgrade?
17:37 Krock please explain
17:37 CWz XP was last super good windows everything started turning down hill when Vista showed up
17:37 melzua you should end on windows 3.1
17:37 proller why not NT 4.0 ?
17:37 CWz why not MS-DOs
17:38 Krock melzua, I cna't connect the cable to the wireless adapter in there... throws some kind of error
17:38 melzua XD
17:38 CWz I remember back when i was kid i remember windows 95 and it's theme song
17:39 Krock and the "goodtime" song on the CD
17:39 CWz uh
17:39 est31 my first computer was XP
17:39 edj My first computer was a TRS-80 Color Computer running at ALMOST 1 MHz (yes, that megahertz)  :)
17:39 CWz there was no userfriendly linux back than
17:39 est31 is there now
17:40 edj In high resolution mode, my TRS-80 Color Computer had a rockin' 320x200 resolution!
17:40 Krock what? there's 320x200 resolution yet?
17:40 edj Or maybe is was 256xSomething.  I don't remember anymore since it was like 35 years ago
17:41 Fixer Win 7 was the last good
17:41 CWz Ah the 80's back when Playing GTA would result in a jail sentence
17:41 Krock Fixer, like in the bisect diagnostics: Last known good: 7
17:41 Fixer everything went downhill (tm) after Win XP release (trollface)
17:42 Fixer that feel of cheap product for housewifes
17:42 CWz Windows VISTA was a dev LSD trip
17:42 Krock good old times where holls existed to go down
17:42 Krock *hills
17:42 edj Win7 is a little painful these days if you do a new install, since MS hasn't rolled out an updated service pack in forever, so you install Win7 and then watch it update and reboot for like 24 hours
17:42 Fixer Krock, now they are deep under, lowering the bar (tm)
17:43 Krock edj, there are complete update packs which do it in one step
17:43 edj Krock: Official ones from MS?
17:43 Krock Fixer, ah I see
17:43 edj I installed Win7 into a VM recently and used MS's iso download tool to grab Win7
17:43 edj And it took f-o-r-e-v-e-r to install updates
17:43 edj After the initial install
17:43 Krock edj, rather provided by pitying people
17:44 edj Krock: Oh, yeah, I Do Not Trust those
17:44 edj Thus took the official MS path
17:44 CWz windows has no software centre. best os? my ass
17:44 Krock edj, all I can say about them that the ones for Win XP were fine. One reboot and done :)
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17:44 Fixer edj, don't forget to uninstall some crappy "updates"
17:44 edj Krock: No hidden malware?
17:44 est31 in linux you have one reboot maximum
17:45 * edj trusts Linux WAY more
17:45 est31 never understood why windows requires multiple reboots
17:45 Krock CWz, it allows the users to choose one because one from M$' production would be horrible :P
17:45 Fixer edj, there are tools that integrate everything into ISO
17:45 edj Fixer: Oh like build-your-own yeah
17:45 Fixer est31, tradition (trollface)
17:45 Krock edj, nope. No single virus or strange software
17:45 Fixer est31, that's because you are geek or admin or both
17:46 CWz Windows 10 is like inviting over Microsoft to use your toilet and shower and refrigerator without cleaning ther hands first
17:46 Fixer install XP... hell Win10 to average human and it will be ruined after some time
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17:46 Krock est31, because it takes time to find holes to put the bugs in
17:46 est31 lol
17:47 edj I use Win10 because games  :(  Otherwise I'd be on Mac or Linux
17:47 CWz windows 7 can games as well
17:48 Krock bomberman, tetris, pong..
17:48 edj I think my machine came with 8.1 so...
17:48 CWz I hate when they do that
17:49 Fixer my Win98SE on Duron 900Mhz boot time was faster then on Core i3 3.3GHz and Win7, not to say first used <1Gb of space, and 7 uses 30.5GB
17:49 Krock Fixer, there were much less things to load and prepare
17:49 Fixer 30.5 GB for f-ing /Windows folder
17:49 edj My favorite OS is probably iOS because it Just Works  :)
17:49 CWz when I buy a computer i don't like it when someass leaves a steaming turd in it.
17:49 Krock not because it takes less time to write than windows?
17:50 proller good thing about win10+vs2015 - you can install into vbox without hacking serials annd use 1 month
17:50 proller then just recreate vm ;)
17:50 Fixer I have impression that celeron 366MHz with Win98SE will boot faster than my Win7 (little under 2 min, it loads hexchat, quiterss, everything, utorrent, not much)
17:51 Krock and the NSA is happy too
17:51 Fixer Krock, why worry? lots of people happily document their lifes via facebook
17:51 Fixer lives*
17:51 Fixer or lifes*
17:51 Fixer whatever
17:51 Krock right. > lots of
17:52 est31 and I talk on a publicly logged IRC channel
17:52 est31 totally private in here
17:55 Krock we all know your name, cell phone number, the place where your house lives..
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17:56 Fixer Krock, also, people put so much info that NSA don't really need that much spies anymore, example from my home, in Ukraine lots of special people browse enemy accounts from neighbour country, and guess what, they are so full of info/evidence and crazy useful stuff (movement, participation in war, etc). NSA should give at least some kind of NSA prize to Facebook founder. And people are buying that :}
17:57 Krock lol
17:58 Fixer i don't understand people, they put all their lifes for viewing
17:58 Krock the sugarhill has enough money .. doesn't need another prize :P
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17:59 Krock zucker berg -> from de -> sugar hill
17:59 Fixer social networks distracted people from IM, that at least got some encryption
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18:00 Fixer and that Skype kind of "encryption" sucks
18:00 est31 doesnt suck if you are the state
18:00 Fixer right
18:01 Fixer but terrorists will blow up anything anyway without skype or even internet, old style
18:01 Fixer who cares
18:02 Fixer security at airport? phhh, take AK and kill 100 people at other places
18:02 Fixer and it is just 3 or so terrorists
18:03 Krock C4 helps too
18:03 Fixer so what now? everyone should buy safe cage in a prison and have "happy" lifes
18:03 Fixer or ban knifes
18:03 Fixer when will they ban?
18:03 Fixer seriosly
18:04 Fixer you can kill someone just this second
18:04 Fixer ban people
18:04 Fixer be happy
18:05 Fixer Stallman was right (trollface)
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18:09 Fixer and that SOPA bullshit sneaked in a US budget, that was sooo looow, even by Eastern Europe standards
18:09 * Fixer eat
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18:13 kaeza Greetings
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18:15 Matthew_Moore Hello?
18:15 giho Greetings, mortal.
18:16 Matthew_Moore I am trying to figure out where my SinglePlayer game is saved on Linux, So i can move it to another machine.
18:17 Matthew_Moore I know where it is in Windows. But i can't find the Directory in Linux.
18:17 giho ~/.minetest/worlds
18:17 red-001 ./minetest/worlds
18:17 red-001 in you user folder
18:18 Matthew_Moore Ok. Thanks.
18:18 red-001 !next
18:18 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next!
18:18 Matthew_Moore :)
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18:20 giho I love to join linux channels and say Folder instead of Directory...
18:20 * giho hides
18:20 * red-001 *sigh*
18:20 Calinou Fixer> Stallman was right (trollface)
18:20 Calinou there's a subreddit for it
18:20 Calinou /r/StallmanWasRight
18:21 red-001 there is a subreddit for everything
18:23 red-001 proller in what way would you say freeminer is better then minetest?
18:24 proller Real liquids, weather, seasons
18:24 proller fast reliable network protocol, fast multi-threaded server, utf8 chat, built in /stat command
18:24 est31 reliable lol
18:24 red-001 weather written in c++?
18:24 proller нуы
18:24 proller yes
18:25 red-001 interesting
18:25 proller http://www.youtube.com/chann​el/UCIRUqUD0bJ2wpxTQ01gbG3g
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18:25 proller core algo with lua definition
18:29 red-001 is the slow lava cooling an ABM?
18:30 giho proller: would lua-based-weather-mod-like weather ( http://me0w.net/pit/1444559306 ) be possible and actually less laggy in freeminer?
18:31 ObsidianZ3R0 proller, how well does it run on older hardware
18:31 ObsidianZ3R0 or tablets and phones?
18:32 proller https://play.google.com/store/apps/​details?id=org.freeminer.freeminer
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18:33 proller giho, your video about visuals - no, its not supported yet
18:33 proller fm weather about dynamic core heat-humidity map
18:34 afflatus I'm doing really well today, I have now successfully b0rked my minetest client. :D oh joy
18:34 afflatus Installing luacheck wasn't such a good idea, now I have to figure what's blocking the client
18:35 proller visuals near RealBadAngel 's shaders work
18:35 giho proller: in minetest I can just ban people to make server less laggy :3
18:35 afflatus The menu works ok, but when I get to
18:35 afflatus INFO[Main]: Audio: Deinitializing...
18:35 afflatus It hangs
18:39 afflatus regardless of version, game or world
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18:42 afflatus Ych y fi!
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18:49 proller giho, in freeminer i can have 100+ players online without lags
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18:53 afflatus This isn't so much a minetest problem as the state of Lua and Irrlicht packages in Debian testing.
18:54 Midnight_Mane looking for a server for some one who just starting out
18:55 afflatus Probably any server with between 1 and 6 players
18:56 afflatus natuarlly I would recommend Grail Test, but that's not minetest_game
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19:02 Fixer Calinou, LOL
19:04 Fixer iPhone 6s rendered immediately and permanently bricked by latest iOS 9 designed to detect 'unauthorised' third-party repairs
19:04 Fixer shitware
19:05 Fixer Feds don’t need crypto backdoors to spy—your TV and toothbrush will do
19:05 Fixer true
19:05 Fixer amount of IoT BS is over 9000
19:07 Calinou BSoT
19:08 Fixer http://www.zmatt.net/unlocki​ng-my-lenovo-laptop-part-1/
19:08 Fixer jeez, so much shitware
19:08 Fixer "The system does not support batteries that are not genuine Lenovo-made or authorized. The system will continue to boot, but may not charge unauthorized batteries."
19:08 Fixer lol
19:09 Calinou Fixer, yeah, battery DRM is already a thing since a few years
19:09 Calinou Dell also does it
19:09 Fixer pfff
19:09 Fixer Calinou, wth?
19:09 Fixer now this bullshit?
19:12 Fixer "was told, that there are no replacement batteries for any MacBooks older than 5 years"
19:12 Fixer trololo
19:12 Fixer who needs 5 year old shitware, right? buy new crappy one!
19:14 Fixer "Apple glues batteries"
19:14 Fixer 0_o
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19:15 Krock "New, apples with worms integrated"
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19:17 Fixer yes
19:17 Fixer pain is now more wonderful
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19:19 Fixer and now with all those powerful hardware that needs rare replacement, will see how manufacturers will screw the buyers
19:19 afflatus It's affecting pidgin and vlc, so it has to be an audio problem
19:20 Fixer afflatus, quote?
19:23 Fixer "Avast: a Chromium fork with critical security checks removed (code.google.com)"
19:23 est31 like that entry
19:24 Fixer it feels like amount of bullshit increases over time, like entropy
19:26 diemartin I've been trying Pale Moon under Linux. So far so good. It's basically Firefox sans crap
19:27 Fixer Firefox future is not clear
19:28 est31 even mozilla is actively trying to deprecate firefox
19:28 est31 they plan to replace it with servo
19:28 est31 next generation browser engine
19:29 est31 parallel rendering, etc
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19:29 est31 written in rust, so its super safe
19:29 Fixer lol
19:29 Fixer when i hear "super safe"
19:30 diemartin ever heard "Make it foolproof, and someone will invent a better fool?"
19:31 Fixer https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cac0mYXW0AAWTNI.jpg LOL
19:32 est31 hah
19:32 Fixer i think I will publish some of my fps tests on forum
19:32 Fixer so much pain with them
19:33 melzua afflatus: I'm on debian testing and don't have any audio problems with vlc. I'm recompiling minetest just now...
19:34 Fixer results of my tests: http://pastebin.com/raw/UJxmjkce
19:34 Fixer ~40 2 min tests
19:35 afflatus Fixed client - it was an audio glitch :)
19:35 Fixer 70 nodes fixed range, unlimited fps, automated walking and recording
19:35 red-001 https://code.google.com/p/google-sec​urity-research/issues/detail?id=679
19:35 diemartin Fixer, what card?
19:36 Fixer diemartin, AMD/ATI HD6870, it is not for comparison with other cards
19:36 afflatus melzua: it was one of those upgrade wierdnesses
19:39 Fixer red-001, Avastium??? Is this a trolling?
19:39 Fixer this is madness!
19:39 afflatus I've just done that :)
19:39 afflatus looking at this I'm tempted to recompile the server with these settings
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19:41 Fixer red-001, first was Trend Micro debucle, then Comodo Browser debucle, now Avastium debucle
19:41 Fixer smth is wrong here %)
19:41 Fixer shitty future
19:41 Fixer i don't want that
19:43 Fixer now security software is acting like malware, strange
19:43 Fixer ._.
19:44 est31 why you say "now", Fixer ?
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19:45 est31 didn't it do it all the time already?
19:45 afflatus So back to sorting out the grailtest server, which has incidentally just crashed again - and I mean the machine, not just the game. Suspecting hardware problems.
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19:46 Fixer est31, few years it was not silently replacing my browser o_0
19:46 Fixer in windows, you can expect everything
19:46 Fixer everybody went nuts
19:46 est31 Fixer, for a few years browsers allowed add-ons to mess with them
19:47 est31 then malware abused this
19:47 est31 and adware
19:47 est31 then browsers became more restricted
19:47 Fixer est31, just recently
19:47 est31 now you have to replace the binary
19:48 red-001 avasr doesn't replace the binary afaik
19:48 red-001 avast*
19:48 Fixer est31, not long ago, updated avast antivirus on a notebook *sigh*, silently installed some shopping addon that is adware, removed that shit and installed 3 yr older version, f-k them
19:48 red-001 they just forked chrome and renamed it
19:49 Fixer red-001, and introduced "security"
19:49 Fixer with "we will collect your data" in EULA
19:49 Fixer trololo
19:56 Calinou I don't use an antivirus when I use Windows
19:57 afflatus Actually I think the grail test server may actually be dead :(
19:58 Fixer red-001, you made my day (avastium my ass)
19:58 afflatus Which is almost certainly memory failure
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20:08 melzua afflatus: :(
20:10 afflatus So now I start looking for a new machine. I could resuscitate it, but if it s memory failure it's probably not worth it.
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20:11 melzua afflatus: take a look at arubacloud.com. They offer a small VPS for 1€/month (really)
20:12 melzua it's what I use for pixture server and it's ok (and very cheap :) )
20:12 afflatus At that price I guess t's worth looking at :-)
20:13 melzua but of course it's a small machine, so no 100 players server :P
20:14 * afflatus looks
20:15 afflatus How many players can you support on 1gB
20:16 melzua idk, I've got 7 players once upon a time and do it's job very well
20:16 melzua :D
20:22 Krock afflatus, 1 GB what? webspace?
20:22 melzua Krock: RAM
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20:24 Krock melzua, >20 people I'd say
20:24 Krock and that with lots of loaded chunks
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20:46 Calinou 1 GB of RAM is enough for 16 players
20:46 Calinou probably not more
20:47 Calinou think of the CPU as well
20:51 afflatus That would be enough
20:53 afflatus OK, recovered server :)
20:54 afflatus We'll see how long it lasts
20:54 afflatus Long enough to make a backup hopefully ...
21:02 red-001 you could always  connect the hard drive to a different computer
21:02 afflatus Sure
21:03 afflatus Although that way I don't know if I'm backing up a corrupted world or not
21:03 afflatus If I can shut this one down cleanly, then I know it's clean
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22:17 MinetestBot [git] RealBadAngel -> minetest/minetest: Use inventory_image in the first place for inventory item mesh 38e7122 https://git.io/vg0Ep (2016-02-08T23:13:19+01:00)
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23:40 H-H-H hey guys is there a tutorial somewhere for howto register a new machine with technics mod
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