Time  Nick            Message
00:00 RealBadAngel    yeah, definitely clamping
00:00 RealBadAngel    i can see that on grass
00:00 Fixer           RealBadAngel, https://i.imgur.com/6rOa2CW.jpg
00:01 red-001         yeah
00:01 red-001         snow is too bright
00:01 RealBadAngel    http://i.imgur.com/jdsDBw9.png
00:01 RealBadAngel    compare the grass
00:01 RealBadAngel    its bright but not THAT bright
00:02 Fixer           i hmy is brighter
00:02 Fixer           fps is good
00:02 Fixer           will look at cel
00:03 Fixer           RealBadAngel, trees are strange in cel
00:04 Fixer           RealBadAngel, notice center https://i.imgur.com/fWTKF9o.png
00:05 RealBadAngel    ooops
00:05 RealBadAngel    ive messed depth map lately for DoF shader to work properly
00:05 Fixer           some transperency issue
00:05 RealBadAngel    i will fix cel asap
00:07 RealBadAngel    Fixer, please set vrange  to 200
00:07 RealBadAngel    and see if with cel those lines are gone
00:17 Fixer           back
00:17 Fixer           hold on
00:19 Fixer           RealBadAngel, it helps but now on horizon a lot of transperent things, i think it is fog issue
00:19 Fixer           RealBadAngel, also feels some kind of Z-buffer s--t
00:19 Fixer           RealBadAngel, will move to -dev
00:20 RealBadAngel    ok
00:41 kaeza           o/
01:14 Taoki           RealBadAngel: Minetest seems to crash when I start it up x_x
01:15 Taoki           Um, wrong channel
01:43 H-H-H           finally got nat loopback working on my router so now i can host my server from home lol
01:43 redblade        hi
01:44 redblade        does anyone know what the scuba mod is actually for?
01:44 redblade        cant find too much information about it
01:44 redblade        and the official page is down
01:46 redblade        it's recommended by the sea mod and the thread includes a download link
01:46 H-H-H           it adds air tanks so you can breath under water for longer
01:49 redblade        ok
01:50 redblade        i figured as such
01:50 redblade        does it do anything else?
01:50 H-H-H           not that im aware of but i could be wrong
02:03 Taoki           https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=156&p=206501#p206501 More screenshots of the new shaders, this time with my structures and creatures :)
02:53 sloantothebone2 hi
04:53 redblade        just did some updating to my server and i'm wondering, why is it dark gray now?
04:53 redblade        does it have anything to do with my internet acting slow for the past hour?
04:54 redblade        or is it something else
04:54 redblade        i dont think i've seen it dark gray before
04:56 redblade        slowness is better now
04:56 redblade        and no lag to the server
04:56 redblade        so it's not that
04:56 redblade        some of the servers are dark gray
04:56 redblade        including mine now
08:04 redblade        hi, anyone here right now?
08:04 redblade        i'm looking for opinion
08:06 giho            My opinion is: someone is here
08:07 giho            !next
08:07 MinetestBot     Another satisfied customer. Next!
08:10 redblade        lol
08:10 redblade        i upgraded my vps
08:10 redblade        and am adding another server to it
08:10 redblade        with a different approach
08:10 redblade        i have a creative mode server right now
08:11 redblade        which has lots of mods and can get slow
08:11 redblade        while this one is a bit different, it has less mods and lacks the experimental mapgen mod
08:12 redblade        i'm just looking to see what's most popular, non-creative wise
08:12 redblade        damage or no damage, mining or creative, pvp or no griefer
08:12 redblade        my current server is no damage, creative, no griefer
08:12 redblade        while my new server will not be creative
08:13 redblade        but i dont know which is more popular among minetest players, damage or no damage, pvp or no griefer
08:13 redblade        personally i hate both of those
08:13 * giho          is cretive-"hoster"
08:13 redblade        but i'm looking for input
08:14 giho            I prefer creative in minetest, so dunno what people do these days.
08:15 giho            You can check some data on http://servers.minetest.net/
08:16 giho            It shows Flags, so doing sort/uniq/awk should answer your question
08:18 redblade        well i know that a number of players dont visit my server because they prefer damage and pvp
08:18 redblade        they like survivor games
08:18 redblade        or games with gunfights
08:19 redblade        my creative server has lots of mods, and there are a lot of mobile players who crash
08:19 redblade        technic, mesecons too
08:19 redblade        and it's pretty popular
08:19 redblade        lots of stuff has been built
08:19 redblade        the only thing
08:19 giho            There are creative servers and people play on them. But they don't play on mine. I tend to think Its just because it sucks.
08:20 giho            I'm not sure about yours, though.
08:20 redblade        everyone wants fly privileges
08:20 redblade        i wont give it to them because lag might cause the mobile players to time out
08:21 redblade        though i upgraded my vps and it seems to be a lot faster now that there's more memory and cpu
08:21 redblade        so
08:21 giho            active_block_range = 1 ?
08:21 redblade        also, some people prefer the areas mod (which i'm not familiar with) while i prefer littering logos and blocks all over the place
08:22 redblade        what is active_block_range
08:23 giho            Distance from players that'll define active block modifier.
08:23 red-001         https://i.imgur.com/Azad9xe.jpg
08:23 red-001         playing with shader values is fun
08:24 giho            abms are greatest source of cpu lag on creative servers.
08:24 giho            after that, you can try to enable fast/fly
08:31 redblade        one prob
08:31 redblade        i have a lot of players, too many to add fast and fly to each one of them
08:31 redblade        the server's been up since october
08:32 red-001         add fast and fly on join
08:32 redblade        how do you do that for existing players?
08:32 red-001         let me check
08:33 giho            minetest.register_on_joinplayer(func(ObjectRef))
08:33 red-001         http://dev.minetest.net/minetest.register_on_joinplayer
08:34 redblade        where do you put that?
08:35 giho            You'd have to make mod
08:35 red-001         http://pastebin.com/Z2MTqTNi
08:35 red-001         put that in init.lua
08:37 redblade        just add a random mod name with that as init.lua?
08:37 redblade        or is there another init.lua
08:37 red-001         yes
08:37 redblade        (i never got into the lua other than commenting things out or reporting bugs but intend to learn it someday)
08:38 red-001         e.g create a folder in mods called privs_on_join
08:38 red-001         it's easy
08:38 redblade        thank you red-001 but i think i'll leave it for now
08:38 redblade        most of the lag problems went away after i got rid of most of the mobs
08:38 redblade        i got rid of all monsters and removed the water mobs mod i added
08:39 red-001         ahhh
08:39 red-001         don't use that code
08:40 red-001         it caused a crash for me
08:47 redblade        ok
08:49 redblade        giho: i've heard some people say that creative tends to be boring. i think the opposite though, if you're not bogged down digging when you have an idea already
08:49 redblade        but that's just me
08:49 giho            I just don't like grinding in minetest
08:50 red-001         it get's boring faster
08:50 red-001         you need a better game
08:51 red-001         if you have to mine something then you become invested in a game
08:51 redblade        yeah but you lose interest after a while if it's something huge you have in mind
08:51 redblade        especially with stuff like homedecor
08:52 red-001         you lose interest if you try to read a craft guide for homedecor
08:52 giho            I switch between locations/builds if it gets boring.
08:53 red-001         I played on a server with homedecor for two years before I used it
08:53 redblade        i love homedecor
08:54 redblade        my server has a large 14 room hotel with bathrooms, a restaurant, a lounge, and a roof
08:54 redblade        with creative mode that took me a week to build
08:55 redblade        it's part of a winter park with cart rides, a rollercoaster, a souvenir shop, another restaurant, my home, other people's buildings
08:55 redblade        you can do stuff like that with creative
08:55 red-001         you should get world edit if you haven't
08:56 redblade        i never got worldedit, i heard it was dangerous
08:56 red-001         It really useful
08:56 red-001         only give it to trusted users
08:56 red-001         e.g admin / mods
08:56 redblade        there are no trusted users
08:56 redblade        i ban users all the time for griefing
08:56 redblade        using xban2 which covers their ip
08:57 redblade        and future names
08:57 red-001         so your self?
08:57 redblade        i dont trust anyone with that server other than me
08:58 red-001         what protection mod do you have?
08:59 red-001         areas mod is the best for creative servers imo
08:59 redblade        protection redo
08:59 redblade        is areas the one with the four corner poles?
08:59 red-001         yes
08:59 giho            I ban people all the time, and I use areas
09:00 red-001         it's awesome for large areas
09:01 red-001         still get world edit even if you will be the olny one to use it
09:02 red-001         you can create kilometers of roads in seconds.
09:02 red-001         remove mountains you don't like
09:02 red-001         get rid of water grief
09:03 giho            ...Remove dirt boxes by resetting mapgen in selected area.
09:03 red-001         remove tress and leaves
09:04 red-001         but leave everything else in place
09:04 redblade        i prefer protection redo to that
09:04 red-001         change apple trees to aspen trees
09:04 redblade        much easier
09:04 redblade        red-001: i'm big on plantlife and trees
09:04 red-001         then add more trees?
09:05 redblade        so i dont need to rename them
09:05 red-001         you don't have to remove them
09:05 redblade        if there's creative mode
09:05 red-001         world edit is only creative
09:08 red-001         still if you mess up with it...
09:08 red-001         ... better have a backup
09:10 redblade        i frequently back up, rollback handles most of it
09:10 red-001         it's liking making a statue with high explosives
09:10 redblade        giho: what do you feel abotu night/day transition? i recently changed to 2m/2m
09:10 red-001         so double check you selected the right area
09:10 redblade        a lot of people hate the night
09:10 red-001         then disable it?
09:11 redblade        the new server will not be night
09:11 redblade        but what do you use for day/night giho ?
09:11 redblade        i changed the default 10m/10m because of complaints
09:11 redblade        but i do think with creative you have to see how stuff looks at night
09:12 giho            redblade: I'm using 120 or 180
09:12 giho            It's easier to put "requesting for change of day may lead to ban", though %)
09:13 * red-001       is banned
09:13 redblade        no i always set the time if i'm on and people want it
09:13 redblade        or if i want it
09:19 redblade        nah i think i'll do 2m/2m here too rather than always day
09:19 redblade        i wish you had the ability to not be split (e.g. 4m/2m)
09:33 JamesTait       Good morning all!  Happy Thursday, and happy Create a Vacuum Day! 😃
10:06 giho            I just got idea.
10:07 giho            redblade: if you replace moon with cat face people won't be unhappy about night.
10:10 giho            something like that should do http://me0w.net/pit/1454580638
12:09 redblade        anyone having occasional problems refreshing the minetest server list?
12:09 red-001         yeah
12:09 red-001         it's common
12:09 red-001         does it spam the chat for you?
12:13 redblade        i was actually having a problem around that time where the screen was covered in the kind of error messages you see in console
12:13 redblade        you talking about that?
12:13 redblade        thought i might have set up the new game server wrong
12:13 red-001         does it look like a json file?
12:14 redblade        i think so, i dont know json
12:14 redblade        the server never shut down or anything
12:15 redblade        it kinda looks like the messages from the console window
12:16 red-001         did it cover the whole screen?
12:16 red-001         with text
12:16 redblade        yes
12:16 redblade        it was just happening occasionally
12:16 red-001         yeah that the erorr
12:16 red-001         just ignore it
12:16 red-001         it's the client
12:17 redblade        asyncworkerthread
12:17 redblade        ok
12:26 MinetestBot     02[git] 04Splizard@katistuff.co.nz -> 03minetest/minetest: Add admin command which says who the administator is for the server. 130e75eb4 https://git.io/vg3DE (152016-02-04T13:23:02+01:00)
12:26 MinetestBot     02[git] 04neoascetic -> 03minetest/minetest: Implement OSX Travis builds 13c4e0d95 https://git.io/vg3Du (152016-02-04T13:22:32+01:00)
12:27 kaeza           "administator"
12:27 kaeza           :(
12:43 redblade        you can't change it yet?
12:54 redblade        does "far" in the server list mean that full viewing range is allowed, and if so, how do i disable it?
13:46 Fixer           ._.
14:45 redblade        http://www.mineworld.com/servers/ says "Far 	Players can see far away names"
14:45 redblade        i gotta go later
14:46 redblade        before i go
14:46 Calinou         lol, chinese Minetest clone?
14:46 Calinou         they took the Minecraft textures…
14:46 Calinou         time to send them a DMCA :)
14:47 redblade        my new server "THE HANGING GARDENS" is now up, it's non-creative, no-damage, no-pvp
14:47 redblade        will make a forum post later probably
14:48 redblade        there are a lot less mods than my other creative server "THE TERRARIUM", with more emphasis on farming, plantlife, and trees
14:48 redblade        Calinou: it's gpl though isn't it?
14:49 redblade        (their description of far makes sense)
14:49 redblade        or not just gpl but the mods are usually wtfpl or cc
14:49 Calinou         do they distribute the source code?
14:50 redblade        i dont know i dont read chinese
14:50 redblade        but the legend matches this server list: http://www.minetest.net/servers/
14:50 redblade        this is less descriptive than servers.minetest.net but it tells you what the abbreviations mean
14:51 redblade        what actually does "dedicated server" refer to?
14:52 redblade        does minetest check a list for static ips?
14:53 Calinou         redblade, no, the master server accepts registrations using server_announce
14:53 Calinou         "dedicated server" means the server is not run from the client using the main menu
14:53 redblade        ok
14:54 redblade        meaning if they run the headless "minetestserver" it counts as dedicated?
14:54 Calinou         yes
14:56 afflatus        Licensing question: if I include GPLv3 mods in my game does that mean re-licensing the whole game as GPLv3?
14:57 Calinou         afflatus, no
14:57 Calinou         you are allowed to perform such a combination if mods use other, compatible licenses generally
14:57 Calinou         (GPLv2+, GPLv3+, MIT, WTFPL, ISC, CC0, tons of other licenses…)
14:58 Calinou         however, people will have to distribute the combination (the whole subgame) under the terms of GPLv3
14:58 afflatus        The game is LGPL2.1 like minetest_game itself
14:58 Calinou         yes but you'll have to distribute it as GPLv3
14:58 Calinou         even if only 1 mod uses that license
14:58 Calinou         generally, when you distribute an aggregation of something, the whole thing falls under the strictest license
14:59 Calinou         but individual components may be available under more relaxed licenses
14:59 afflatus        Right, that's what I thought - thank you
14:59 afflatus        That would then make it difficult for others to backport my code to minetest_game then
15:01 afflatus        So that means either distributing the GPLv3 parts separately or ... can I give permission for others to relicense my GPL'd code as LGPL?
15:01 afflatus        I basically want to avoid the 'freeminer' position
15:02 afflatus        Anyway, thanks for confirming that Calinou
15:06 Calinou         afflatus, no, you can bundle them with your game, it's just that those GPLv3 parts can't be backported to minetest_game. Other mods can
15:08 afflatus        So, let me get this straight - I can license my code as LGPL2.1, but I have to distribute the whole under the terms of GPLv3?
15:09 Calinou         yes, you don't really have to do anything special though
15:10 Calinou         the combination will "automatically" be distributed under GPLv3, since LGPLv2.1+ is compatible with GPLv3
15:10 Calinou         (LGPLv2.1 only is not!)
15:12 afflatus        Fortunately for us minetest_game is LGPLv2.1+
15:13 afflatus        OK, that also makes sense of the Licensing issue raised against grailtest by kilbith.
15:14 redblade        gotta go bye
15:18 afflatus        Or at least it makes it clear what I need to do about it.
15:21 red-001         would https://github.com/red-001/more_chatcommands be something server owners would find useful?
15:23 afflatus        You allow /grant* on basic_privs?
15:26 red-001         */grantme is the same as default /grant but name is always the name of the player that uses it
15:29 afflatus        red-001: OK,  some server owners probably will appreciate these.
16:15 Hijiri          I wonder how many servers are breaking WorldEdit AGPL by not having their server mods on github
16:16 Hijiri          personally I haven't added WE yet because I am too lazy to bundle everything in a repo, but I probably will eventually
16:37 CWz             wait worldedit AGPL's mean i have to release my unrelated mods?
16:37 Calinou         no
16:37 Calinou         only WorldEdit
16:53 Hijiri          I just noticed you can find how close a player is aiming at an entity by taking the dot product of the look dir with the direction the entity is from the player
16:53 Hijiri          is this used anywhere?
16:53 Hijiri          Main issue I can see is that it would ignore collisionboxes, so it would be just as hard to aim at a fat entity as with a small one
16:53 Calinou         Hijiri, "without the dot product, Quake would never have been made" — http://godotengine.org/projects/godot-engine/wiki/Vector_Math
16:54 Hijiri          sorry, I meant in Minetest
16:54 Calinou         :)
16:54 Hijiri          mods
17:13 Ronsor          AGPL is evil
17:15 Calinou         Ronsor, this isn't ##linux
17:16 Ronsor          oh so i should go to ##linux and people will agree? thanks
17:16 Ronsor          i like that idea
17:51 DI3HARD139      Is there some sort of bot to stress a MT server?
17:52 VanessaE        the client has a "random input" mode
17:52 Calinou         not really useful though
17:52 VanessaE        plus you'd want to confine those "players" to a large cave :)
17:52 VanessaE        (they have a tendency to fly upward)
17:52 Calinou         they can dig/place blocks IIRC
17:52 Calinou         but only dig instantly-diggable ones?
17:53 VanessaE        dunno
17:53 DI3HARD139      Where can this "random input mode" be found?
17:53 Calinou         random_input = true
17:53 Calinou         I think?
17:53 Calinou         at least it's a minetest.conf setting
17:53 DI3HARD139      Interesting...
17:54 DI3HARD139      I was just curious as I want to find out what the max players is before hitting a CPU bottleneck
17:54 VanessaE        about 30.
17:54 VanessaE        depends on your subgame
17:55 VanessaE        (and your CPU)
17:56 DI3HARD139      All servers I run use the dreambuilder subgame (Mapgen disabled for certain mods). CPU is a Q9550
17:56 DI3HARD139      8GB DDR2. Hoping to make that 16GB soon
18:44 CWz             lol just banned another advertiser on my server
18:51 est31           advertiser?
18:51 Calinou         FREE DIRT BLOCKS AT SPAWN PLEASE BUY THEM
18:51 est31           on minetest?
18:51 est31           lol
18:51 DI3HARD139      What advertisement are we talking?
18:53 RealBadAngel    so theyre free or not?
18:53 afflatus        It's a sign of success
18:53 DI3HARD139      ^
18:55 VanessaE        RealBadAngel: absolutely free! [*]
18:55 VanessaE        [*] Does not include $24.99 processing fee.
18:55 RealBadAngel    hehe
18:55 Calinou         I saw an ad at uni this morning, it was a "bonus" included at the end of the course
18:55 Calinou         it was an ad for Google Analytics IIRC
18:56 Calinou         there was a shopper in a store, who went to the cashier to proceed to payment, when they said "Please read this and prove me you're human" etc…
18:56 Calinou         lol'd
19:05 rf_             is there some mod or smth
19:05 rf_             to limit water griefing
19:06 rf_             it's ridiculous that player placed water source can cover like 1 square KM easily (if started on top of pyramidial mountain)
19:06 rf_             also for lava
19:08 Calinou         rf_, no, but you could write a mod that prevents liquid placing at high altitudes
19:09 rf_             why not simply make water not spread if nearest source is too far away
19:10 rf_             (actually it should be it's source, but something in that direction)
19:10 Calinou         it's probably not possible to check if the MapBlock is not loaded
19:10 rf_             only flow liquids that are at "fully" loaded, including all their neighbours
19:11 rf_             *in blocks
19:11 Calinou         that means it won't behave well in some situations, like if eg. MapBlock loading distance is set very low by the server
19:11 rf_             oh btw, how to set that
19:12 rf_             so the server would send more blocks to user... or is that a client setting?
19:12 rf_             because just requesting view distance is not enough unless you go to a place and back again
19:12 rf_             and question 2) how to set which blocks are processed, how far from active player
19:13 Calinou         max_block_generate_distance, max_block_send_distance, active_block_range
19:13 Calinou         self-explanatory, ranges are in blocks (16×16×16 nodes)
19:40 CWz             hey Amaz
19:44 Amaz            Hi CWz
20:08 red-001         http://i.imgur.com/ADT65DT.jpg
20:09 Obani           red-001, lulz
20:10 red-001         fyi it's pixture by kaadmy with RealBadAngels cel-shading
20:12 CWz             RealBadAngel, what are the opengl requirement for the shaders
20:13 red-001         if someone wants a windows binary for RealBadAngel 's newest shaders tell me
20:13 * DI3HARD139    is interested
20:16 * red-001       is makeing a .7z
20:19 red-001         https://transfer.sh/%28/lwmG1/minetest-0.4.13-dev-win32.zip%29.zip
20:20 red-001         rba's newest shaders
20:20 red-001         I think
20:22 red-001         nvm
20:22 red-001         use https://transfer.sh/etKLf/minetest-0.4.13-dev-win32.zip
20:23 Hijiri          entity collisionbox is always a single box, right?
20:24 Hijiri          also the collision_box property of nodes example in the lua api txt has a field type set to "fixed" - are there other types of node collision_box ?
20:24 Calinou         yes, collision box can be only one box
20:24 Calinou         Hijiri, I think the other examples are wallmounted or something like that
20:26 Hijiri          ok, thanks
20:34 DI3HARD139      Spotted a bug. When expanding the window it causes the textures to lose all lighting
20:39 red-001         your lucky
20:39 red-001         it crash's for me
20:39 red-001         do tell RealBadAngel about it
20:45 Obani           red-001, what crashes ?
20:47 kaadmy          red-001: nice ;)
21:53 MinetestBot     02[git] 04ShadowNinja -> 03minetest/master-server: Try to fix list corruption issue 1358f03d0 https://git.io/vgG55 (152016-02-04T16:49:25-05:00)
23:28 Hijiri          Will changing an orientation of an entity whose visual is a sprite rotate the sprite?
23:29 Hijiri          or if the orientation is changed and visual size made oblong, will that stretch the sprite in the direction of the elongated axis?