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rubenwardy |
currently trying to work out how to make my code more testable and cleaner |
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frager |
hey guys. i got problems getting my minetest.conf to run as default config-file |
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frager |
as i run minetest-server 4.0.10 it was placed in $HOME/.minetest/minetest.conf and worked fine. since i updated to 4.0.13 it's ignored by default. i have to choose it my the --config argument |
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frager |
seems like everyone fell asleep Oo |
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yunfan |
nope |
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MinetestBot |
[git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Mgfractal: Add 3D and 4D fractals c26eb87 http://git.io/v0zO8 (2015-12-15T04:18:19Z) |
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everamzah |
Server up at lumaria.duckdns.org featuring Wasteland and CaveRealms with limited chat/player visibility and a bottom spawn. If isolated solitude is your thing, then this server might just be for you! |
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VanessaE |
better to make such announcements during the daytime :) |
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VanessaE |
at this time of night, these channels are usually dead. |
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everamzah |
i did it for the record |
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everamzah |
i won't do it again until i post on the forum :) |
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VanessaE |
ok :) |
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rdococ |
Hey guys. I'm creating a mod for Minetest, and would like to know how to find the items an entity would drop, without killing the entity first. If that's impossible, can you tell me how I could clone the entity instead? |
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rdococ |
... |
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Hijiri |
just cause irc is a chat, doesn't mean answers can't take longer than 3 minutes to appear |
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rdococ |
I know, I was just... meh, forget it |
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JamesTait |
Good morning all; happy Tuesday and happy Cat Herders Day! 😼 |
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rdococ |
Hi. |
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rdococ |
Okay, now I just want to know how to kill an entity from a script, with drops and all. |
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rdococ |
Nevermind. |
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yunfan |
rdococ: the document missed so much |
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amadin |
Hi all. Somebody removed some protectors (my and other players), how player can do this, if no mesecon mod and no bones mod installed? |
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Obani |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QHxc957GOQ&feature=youtu.be I love that one |
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STHGOM |
amadin, perhaps node replacer? |
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STHGOM |
i woudl contact the server admin |
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kaeza |
mornings |
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Fixer |
evenings |
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* Fixer |
.oO(bugs are everywhere) |
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CWz |
Obani, I saw you in T.T Creative. do you need build privs? |
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Obani |
CWz, Yes, it would be cool :) |
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Obani |
CWz, why don't you connect your server to some IRC channel ? |
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CWz |
it's connect to inchra.net |
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hoodedice |
dot |
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amadin |
STHGOM what is node replaser? |
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amadin |
replacer |
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amadin |
i don't use mor "replacer" |
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amadin |
mod |
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hoodedice |
Calinou |
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Calinou |
hi |
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hoodedice |
still work on godot? |
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Calinou |
not really, but I make Godot binaries still |
| 17:23 |
Calinou |
https://github.com/Calinou/godot-binaries |
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Calinou |
will make one this evening |
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methun |
anybody can help me about go other,s created world ? |
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Krock |
methun, do you mean: "how do I join a public server?"? |
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methun |
@krock yes i want to join public server and play with them both time |
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Krock |
"play with them both time", so you want to play on two servers at the same time? |
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methun |
how to play please help me @krock |
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Krock |
I need the OP rank for the @ in front of my name |
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Krock |
methun, just select the "Client" tab, make sure the checkbox on the bottom is checkde |
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Krock |
then select a server from the list and enter the desired name and pass |
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methun |
@krock please say where I get name & password to entry to public server |
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Krock |
methun, each server has its own players. By logging in the first time, a new account with the given password gets created. |
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methun |
@krock please give username password |
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VanessaE |
methun: you simply make up your own username and password when you sign onto a server for the first time. |
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VanessaE |
remember them or write them down somewhere, and use them again next time you go there. |
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Fixer |
._. |
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Fixer |
crap, i keep forgoting about if vs elif thing |
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VanessaE |
methun: and you MUST remember or record your password, because server owners can't tell you what you used (they're encrypted) |
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Krock |
But they can be changed |
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VanessaE |
yes. |
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Krock |
Deleted too :< |
| 18:16 |
VanessaE |
(I don't like to encourage that, though, because it's not always easy to authenticate a change/reset request) |
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Fixer |
gwad, after connecting server max_lag shoot up high >2 and it lags now :S wtf |
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rubenwardy |
exactly |
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Krock |
Sadly, yes. |
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Fixer |
worst case is just test |
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Fixer |
auth data got corrupted -> HAPPY |
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Fixer |
i've managed to convince admin to reset my pass and login was success but many people lost everything |
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Fixer |
that was 0.4.13 |
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Krock |
backups can be useful |
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Fixer |
sorry 0.4.12 |
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Fixer |
smth was wrong with backup :} or no backup :} |
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Krock |
Perfect setup! Continue that |
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Fixer |
that was not me :} |
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Fixer |
after that slow grief process begin |
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Fixer |
or begunb |
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Fixer |
whatever |
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Fixer |
is this common that people rejoin server all the time? in and out, in and out, often in groups :} |
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Fixer |
like they are bugged or crashed or timed outed |
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rubenwardy |
yes |
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rubenwardy |
mostly android users, I guess |
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Fixer |
poor android users |
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Fixer |
https://forum.minetest.net/download/file.php?id=4461 |
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Krock |
Did a masterpiece of scripting again: @echo ^G >getbellcharacter.txt |
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Fixer |
what does -> mean in C++? |
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est31 |
same as in c |
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est31 |
a->b it means (*a).b |
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Fixer |
lol |
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est31 |
in c++ it also can be used for methods on objects |
| 19:42 |
est31 |
but I think there its similae |
| 19:42 |
est31 |
similar* |
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Fixer |
i have no idea what is (*a).b either |
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est31 |
so call method b on object a |
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Fixer |
hmm |
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Taurith |
Fixer: Object referenced by a's member, b |
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Fixer |
okay |
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Taurith |
(Or, more C/++ like: 'pointed to') |
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Krock |
makes sense. "->" "pointed to" |
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bleak_fire_ |
hi |
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bleak_fire_ |
i want to talk to the higher-ups but idont know who they are |
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bleak_fire_ |
i want to find out if they are intent on putting minetest on steam or is that just someone's suggestion |
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bleak_fire_ |
because i'm scared |
| 21:23 |
Calinou |
bleak_fire_, don't expect it to happen in the near future, for multiple reasons |
| 21:23 |
Calinou |
although you can ask in #minetest-dev |
| 21:23 |
bleak_fire_ |
it's not possible to be open-source or have any mod or server without steam's approval |
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bleak_fire_ |
and i dont want my server to have drm in it |
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bleak_fire_ |
or any sort of thing enforced by steam |
| 21:26 |
Calinou |
uh? we'll never make Steam mandatory to play |
| 21:26 |
Calinou |
and there are open source games on Steam |
| 21:27 |
MinetestBot |
[git] Jeija -> Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Gates: Update nor gate craft recipe, fixes #243 a6b28d1 http://git.io/v0oJI (2015-12-15T22:25:39+01:00) |
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est31 |
bleak_fire_, dont worry steam wont take over control over minetest |
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bleak_fire_ |
will steam be mandatory to have a server listed? |
| 21:28 |
est31 |
hah no |
| 21:28 |
Calinou |
no |
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bleak_fire_ |
but what about that "vac"? |
| 21:28 |
est31 |
even if we all got paid a million dollars by steam so that we cooperate, the source is open, so you can fork minetest whenever you want |
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est31 |
(we as devs) |
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bleak_fire_ |
will it be forced to link to steam accounts? |
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sofar |
there's almost no reason to put Minetest on Steam, since all major distro's are already shipping Minetest |
| 21:31 |
est31 |
yeah we got the linux users already |
| 21:31 |
est31 |
the only thing i'd improve upon would be that we finally ship an official windows installer |
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sofar |
bleak_fire_: I'm not sure why you're paranoid |
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sofar |
est31: wouldn't hurt to have that |
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sofar |
est31: updater, even? |
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est31 |
yeah |
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Glorfindel |
sofar: shipping as in already installed or in the repo? |
| 21:33 |
sofar |
I'm sorry, I've got too much stuff to fix on linux ;^) |
| 21:33 |
edj |
I can tell you that around these parts, a lack of official Windows installer really does limit the user base |
| 21:34 |
edj |
My daughter told a bunch of her friends about Minecraft but none of them or their parents could figure out how to install and run it |
| 21:34 |
sofar |
Glorfindel: shipping can mean either, in reality it's usually in a repo. |
| 21:34 |
edj |
s/Minecraft/Minetest/ |
| 21:34 |
edj |
Sorry *embarrassed* |
| 21:34 |
Glorfindel |
sofar: yeah, but in your case which were you referring to? |
| 21:34 |
sofar |
distro? |
| 21:34 |
Glorfindel |
sofar: the version in the repo is outdated |
| 21:35 |
sofar |
not my problem, nor can you blame me for that. And in fact, you could fix it yourself |
| 21:35 |
sofar |
send a patch to fedora, debian, whatever |
| 21:35 |
sofar |
took longer to complain about it than to fix it :) |
| 21:36 |
* sofar |
steps down from soapbox |
| 21:36 |
Glorfindel |
sofar: did I say anything about it being anyone in particulars problem? |
| 21:36 |
sofar |
well, it actually is a problem of course |
| 21:38 |
sofar |
I also work on 2 linux distributions ... I can't handle more :) |
| 21:38 |
Glorfindel |
haha |
| 21:38 |
Glorfindel |
one is to much for me, going to use windows mostly |
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bleak_fire_ |
i'm not paranoid i just dont want to give up control of something i'm paying for voluntarily to people whose values are contrary to mine |
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bleak_fire_ |
paying/paying and maintaining |
| 22:22 |
bleak_fire_ |
pay for your own damn drm |
| 22:22 |
bleak_fire_ |
that kind of thing |
| 22:23 |
VanessaE |
to hell with DRM. |
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bleak_fire_ |
hi vanessa |
| 22:23 |
VanessaE |
hi |
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sofar |
bleak_fire_: only way to assure that it will never happen is to get involved, and help out |
| 22:24 |
MinetestBot |
[git] asl97 -> minetest/minetest: Get movement setting instead of hard coded value 19f73e4 http://git.io/v0ol1 (2015-12-15T23:20:15+01:00) |
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bleak_fire_ |
i gotta grab dinner but did you ever see this? https://github.com/Calinou/moreores/commit/c429c83eee885e48160a7247fc0fcdaff8bf064e#commitcomment-14647296 |
| 22:25 |
VanessaE |
I have seen that, and no it doesn't need reverted. |
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bleak_fire_ |
ok |
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bleak_fire_ |
what's the difference between the two situations? |
| 22:35 |
VanessaE |
? |
| 22:36 |
VanessaE |
in technic's case, that was my error because those fields were used only internally, they weren't passed to minetest.register_ore(), which is the case with the moreores change |
| 22:41 |
Fixer |
"the only package using the irrlicht package is minetest" |
| 22:41 |
Fixer |
LOL, we are f-ed |
| 22:42 |
est31 |
being alone != being f*ed |
| 22:43 |
Fixer |
i mean two dead projects that rely on each other => fun times! :trollface: |
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AndDT |
Fixer: supertuxcart also uses modified version of irrlicht |
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Fixer |
forked one |
| 22:45 |
AndDT |
Yes |
| 22:45 |
Fixer |
oh sorry, VanessaE pointed out that there are not 1 irrlicht user but 11 |
| 22:45 |
Fixer |
i hope they are not as dead as MT |
| 22:47 |
Fixer |
what is BAW? |
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bleak_fire_ |
ok |
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bleak_fire_ |
thanks for clarifying |
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bleak_fire_ |
oh man i'm getting crashes from pipeworks |
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bleak_fire_ |
used to be occasionally but now it's every time |
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bleak_fire_ |
2015-12-15 23:09:46: ERROR[main]: Runtime error from mod 'pipeworks' in callback environment_Step(): /usr/share/minetest/builtin/game/item.lua:338: attempt to index local 'dropper' (a nil value) |
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bleak_fire_ |
crashes every time now (in front of pipeworks items) |
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bleak_fire_ |
is VanessaE still here or should i file a report on github? |
| 23:12 |
VanessaE |
you using any other mods along with pipeworks that can drop things? |
| 23:12 |
Fixer |
or just ask here: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2155 |
| 23:12 |
VanessaE |
like item_drop or item_tweaks ? |
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bleak_fire_ |
not either of those |
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VanessaE |
I've no idea |
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VanessaE |
file a report, maybe nore can look at it |
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bleak_fire_ |
what do you mean by "drop things" |
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VanessaE |
drop things as in create entities that fall on the ground? |
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bleak_fire_ |
mobs or mobs_water maybe? |
| 23:14 |
VanessaE |
idk |
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bleak_fire_ |
mobs redo |
| 23:15 |
VanessaE |
ask in #minetest-dev first |
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bleak_fire_ |
let me try and move those two out |
| 23:15 |
VanessaE |
because clearly builtin/item.lua isn't handling the case where the player object is nil |
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* Fixer |
looks at ambience mod |
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bleak_fire_ |
didnt know there was a #minetest-dev |
| 23:15 |
VanessaE |
that's the core development channel |
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bleak_fire_ |
ok |
| 23:15 |
VanessaE |
(also for game content and stuff) |
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bleak_fire_ |
"player object"? |
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VanessaE |
yeah |
| 23:17 |
VanessaE |
the reference the code needs to know who dropped something |
| 23:18 |
VanessaE |
some mods pass nil for that because it's maybe not a player dropping an item, but a machine |
| 23:18 |
VanessaE |
(hence pipeworks, maybe you have a dispenser causing it) |
| 23:19 |
MinetestBot |
[git] BlockMen -> minetest/minetest: Add option to give every object a nametag 9eee3c3 http://git.io/v0oKA (2015-12-15T23:32:19+01:00) |
| 23:20 |
bleak_fire_ |
ok |
| 23:20 |
bleak_fire_ |
it's not mobs or mobs_water, just tried those |
| 23:21 |
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| 23:22 |
Fixer |
is it possible to make nodes to have sounds attached to them? so water block will give water sound, etc |
| 23:23 |
VanessaE |
sure, that's doable, but you don't want to do it with some node that exists in large quantities |
| 23:23 |
Fixer |
MT can handle it |
| 23:23 |
Fixer |
i think |
| 23:23 |
VanessaE |
you would have a fuckton of sound sources playing if it were water |
| 23:23 |
Fixer |
no need |
| 23:24 |
VanessaE |
there may be "no need" but MT will still do it anyway |
| 23:24 |
Fixer |
if 1-1000000 sources nearby - just play it as one sound and also correct volume depending on a distance |
| 23:24 |
VanessaE |
though I don't know what its internal limit is |
| 23:25 |
VanessaE |
no, something like that needs a client-side realtime check if you're near water, and then play a water source depending on your distance |
| 23:25 |
bleak_fire_ |
wait |
| 23:25 |
bleak_fire_ |
it might be mesecons |
| 23:26 |
Fixer |
this ambience mod drives me nuts |
| 23:26 |
bleak_fire_ |
seems to be some mesecon activity during one of the crashes |
| 23:26 |
Fixer |
for some reason |
| 23:26 |
Fixer |
it is dumb |
| 23:26 |
Fixer |
as a brick |
| 23:26 |
sofar |
of course it is |
| 23:26 |
bleak_fire_ |
or technic, in another crash |
| 23:27 |
Fixer |
it does not even FADE or anything |
| 23:27 |
Fixer |
just play x.mp3, then play y.mp3 |
| 23:28 |
bleak_fire_ |
yep it seems to be happening when people are looking at technic items |
| 23:28 |
Fixer |
depending on nearby nodes |
| 23:28 |
Fixer |
it is not smooth |
| 23:28 |
Fixer |
and feels artifical :trollface: |
| 23:28 |
VanessaE |
ambiance mod needs client-side scripting to work well |
| 23:29 |
Fixer |
fade + >1 sounds at once + more cleaner transition |
| 23:30 |
Fixer |
now it is like in a kindergarten, near water - ok, play just water.mp3, f.e., now we moved a little bit to the trees, play something else, now we lag a lot, you jump in water and you hear it 10 seconds later lol |
| 23:30 |
sofar |
it could be programmed better in mods, but just more work, and needs to be done per player |
| 23:30 |
bleak_fire_ |
i dont exactly know how technic works |
| 23:31 |
Fixer |
and server is doing everything |
| 23:31 |
Fixer |
no wonder MT MP servers run like crap |
| 23:32 |
sofar |
pipeworks and multiplayer :) |
| 23:32 |
est31 |
thats stuff that can be done with clientside scripting |
| 23:32 |
est31 |
very easily |
| 23:32 |
Fixer |
yeah |
| 23:32 |
sofar |
who's gonna add client-side lua scripting? :) |
| 23:33 |
nm0i |
Nobody. |
| 23:33 |
Fixer |
i wonder if LinuxGaming server still processing that shit with the fan |
| 23:33 |
Fixer |
ok, max_lag is 0.4 |
| 23:33 |
Fixer |
i'm alone |
| 23:33 |
Fixer |
walking |
| 23:34 |
VanessaE |
sofar: hmmmm has plans for that. |
| 23:34 |
nm0i |
You want to know how to add lag both and client side? Make rain. Also cheapest way to kick mobile users from server. |
| 23:34 |
sofar |
it will be a whole different API, methods, but I can see value for it |
| 23:34 |
est31 |
hmmmm plans it now c55 plans it. |
| 23:35 |
sofar |
weather effects should be implemented client side in c++ |
| 23:35 |
est31 |
I like hmmmm's approach more tbh |
| 23:35 |
Fixer |
nm0i, or make it super dumb way |
| 23:35 |
* sofar |
afk |
| 23:35 |
est31 |
he wants to run it in separate thread |
| 23:35 |
est31 |
c55 wants scripts to run in same thread |
| 23:35 |
Fixer |
nm0i, like... sound + some simple particles |
| 23:36 |
Fixer |
est31, it is ---king slow anyway |
| 23:36 |
nm0i |
Fixer: there is no another way in API |
| 23:36 |
nm0i |
At best you'd have some HUD effect. |
| 23:36 |
Fixer |
nm0i, sound + shader? |
| 23:38 |
nm0i |
You can't load own shaders into client from server, can you. |
| 23:38 |
est31 |
no |
| 23:39 |
est31 |
it has been proposed |
| 23:39 |
est31 |
but its horrible security wise |
| 23:39 |
nm0i |
Cool. "Can i load some compute shaders into clients and mine some bitcoins?" |
| 23:39 |
est31 |
that even isnt the problem |
| 23:39 |
est31 |
you can do it with js too |
| 23:40 |
est31 |
the problem is if you access stuff outside the shader |
| 23:42 |
VanessaE |
est31: why would you give such wide access then? |
| 23:42 |
est31 |
well, shaders are compiled by the driver, not us |
| 23:43 |
est31 |
the driver can do funny things with it |
| 23:43 |
est31 |
e.g. it can have vendor extension to modify files on the computer |
| 23:43 |
VanessaE |
even a GPU-based coin mining app still needs some kind of CPU-control running under the GPU code |
| 23:43 |
est31 |
just out of fun |
| 23:43 |
est31 |
idk |
| 23:43 |
VanessaE |
shaders can modify files? |
| 23:43 |
VanessaE |
never heard of such a thing |
| 23:43 |
est31 |
usually they can't |
| 23:43 |
nm0i |
It is not in glsl |
| 23:44 |
est31 |
yes, official glsl |
| 23:44 |
est31 |
but as I said, every vendor does what they want |
| 23:44 |
est31 |
I agree to every shader that uses security measures similar to those in WebGL |
| 23:45 |
est31 |
its a similar setup: shaders downloaded from the server |
| 23:45 |
VanessaE |
seems to me then it's a matter of whitelisting the safe stuff |
| 23:45 |
VanessaE |
(though that would be a pretty big whitelist) |
| 23:47 |
* nm0i |
sighs and hides back into drawing glow trees textures. |
